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BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!

Bonzo3legs 14 Feb 20 - 06:38 PM
Joe Offer 14 Feb 20 - 06:43 PM
Bonzo3legs 14 Feb 20 - 07:05 PM
Jack Campin 14 Feb 20 - 07:13 PM
punkfolkrocker 14 Feb 20 - 07:53 PM
Backwoodsman 15 Feb 20 - 12:45 AM
Doug Chadwick 15 Feb 20 - 04:18 AM
Dave the Gnome 15 Feb 20 - 04:41 AM
Bonzo3legs 15 Feb 20 - 05:42 AM
DaveRo 15 Feb 20 - 06:20 AM
Backwoodsman 15 Feb 20 - 06:28 AM
Mr Red 15 Feb 20 - 08:19 AM
Doug Chadwick 15 Feb 20 - 09:25 AM
DaveRo 15 Feb 20 - 09:33 AM
Bonzo3legs 15 Feb 20 - 09:43 AM
Charmion 15 Feb 20 - 09:55 AM
Senoufou 15 Feb 20 - 11:26 AM
Backwoodsman 15 Feb 20 - 11:35 AM
punkfolkrocker 15 Feb 20 - 11:48 AM
Backwoodsman 15 Feb 20 - 12:00 PM
Jack Campin 15 Feb 20 - 07:00 PM
Bonzo3legs 16 Feb 20 - 04:20 AM
Senoufou 16 Feb 20 - 04:26 AM
Mr Red 16 Feb 20 - 04:34 AM
Jack Campin 16 Feb 20 - 05:40 AM
Richard Mellish 16 Feb 20 - 01:11 PM
Mr Red 17 Feb 20 - 03:52 AM
Nigel Paterson 17 Feb 20 - 11:45 AM
Steve Shaw 17 Feb 20 - 05:16 PM
Mr Red 18 Feb 20 - 03:58 AM
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Subject: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 06:38 PM

I was very surprised to receive new Freedom Pass in the post today, without having to apply!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 06:43 PM

Sounds interesting. What is it? Wikipedia says a Freedom Pass gives free transport in London to people over 60. Can you tell us more?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 07:05 PM

Yes it provides free travel on buses and underground trains 24/7, and on National Rail after 9.30am within the specified Greater London area, and I believe free bus travel all over the UK. It is only available to residents in Greater London.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 07:13 PM

The English passes are of limited applicability in England and don't cover Scotland.

The Scottish passes have been renewed automatically for years and cover all bus travel in Scotland (and to Berwick and Carlisle).

Hungary offers free bus and rail travel to all EU citizens over 65. Which included me until a couple of weeks ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 07:53 PM

I live in a town in the south west..

When I turned 60 just over a year ago,
I was told I'd be entitled to free prescriptions,
but bugger all else free until I reach retirement age..
..if I live long enough..

Is that right then...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 12:45 AM

I’ve had my bus pass for the past eight years. Unfortunately we have very few buses, and the nearest stop to my house is three-quarters of the way to town so, having walked a mile to the stop, I just carry on and walk the remaining third of a mile or so.

At least it’s good for my cardio-vascular system and helps to keep my weight down to a healthy number. I should be grateful for that, at least.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 04:18 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 04:41 AM

I got my bus pass (North Yorkshire) before I was 65 because of a weird bit of legislation that said I had to get it at the same time as a woman of my age. No complaints from me :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 05:42 AM

So when I travel from Croydon to St Albans next week to see my sister who is currently having chemo, I travel free to the limit of zone 6 then pay for the remainder of the journey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: DaveRo
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 06:20 AM

The London 'Freedom Pass' (I didn't know it was called that: it sounds like the name the White House would give to a document that allows Mexicans to work in the US) is hugely more valuable than the one available in the rest of England. As a holder of a Kent bus pass it's irritating that, in London, I can only use it on buses, not the tube. The buses are getting slower, too; my impression is that the benefits of the congestion charge are wearing off.

Mind you, at least Kent has some buses. Large parts of the country have few.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 06:28 AM

”Mind you, at least Kent has some buses. Large parts of the country have few”

Precisely! For a large, rural country, my part of The Backwoods is very badly-served. Pretty much the only time I use my bus pass is when Mrs Backwoodsperson and I are down for weekends in That Landon - mind you, bus travel in the Metrolopiss is far preferable to the disgusting tube.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 08:19 AM

Dontya just love Lundun innit?
When I tried a bus pass on a Lundun bus it refused at the machine! So our national scheme of bus passes for any bus in England doesn't include Lundun. And we provincials in the wapwaps (NZ expression) have to apply! None of this preferential treatment ....................

More proof that Lundun doesn't consider itself part of England.
Wales & Scotland don't allow English passes, that is devolution for you (aka Federal system). But the metrocentricity of Lundun just gets on yer tits. The air gets on yer lungs. So why did I go? Well there was this lovely dancer and "On Bouch" was that weekend. Primrose Hill since you ask.

But the difference between the aluminium toob and a double-decker? Well Boris doesn't make models of metal toobs, and the metal toob can't sustain loud mobile phones conversations, (yea yea indefinitely, in the centre).


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 09:25 AM

When I tried a bus pass on a Lundun bus it refused at the machine! So our national scheme of bus passes for any bus in England doesn't include Lundun.

I have used my bus pass many times in London. The machine doesn't always recognise it but I just shown it to the driver who then lets me on without any problem.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: DaveRo
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 09:33 AM

The national (Englsh) is called ENTCS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_National_Concessionary_Travel_Scheme

The smartcard technology is ITSO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITSO_Ltd

London Transport's Oyster travel cards pre-date ITSO and Oyster cardreaders, and cardreaders on London buses (not the same thing) used not to accept ENTCS bus passes. IME some now do, and some don't.

But there is no obligation or legal requirement to touch any reader, and there's no advantage in doing so. (Unless, like me, you're curious to know what will happen ;) And you can board at an 'exit-only' door - where there is no reader.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 09:43 AM

The London Freedom Pass is arguably free - it's issued by local councils so almost certainly paid for at least in part out of Council Tax!


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Charmion
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 09:55 AM

In Ontario, OAPs get free drugs -- after the $100 deductible, of course -- and that's it. Free public transit? HAHAHAHAHA! We'd have to build the transit system first.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 11:26 AM

Bonzo, best wishes to your sister undergoing chemo. Hope she makes a good recovery.
Charmion, I had to smile when I read 'OAPs in Ontario get free drugs'.
I had visions of elderly folk queuing up for their cocaine and a bit of skunk! I still smile when we visit Norwich and I see the shop called Superdrug.
We have had bus passes for some time, but there are no buses in our village. We have to drive to the Airport Park-and-Ride, then we can get on the bus into Norwich for free, after 9.30am. But in Scotland they wouldn't accept them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 11:35 AM

”I have used my bus pass many times in London. The machine doesn't always recognise it but I just shown it to the driver who then lets me on without any problem.”

Likewise.

Charmion - in the UK, prescription drugs are completely free for people who are 60 or over. are under 16. or are 16 to 18 and in full-time education. In addition, certain drugs are issued free on a doctor’s prescription to all users irrespective of age - the birth-control pill is one example.

No ‘deductibles’ (whatever they are?).


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 11:48 AM

Oddly enough, just before my 60th birthday
I received notification from my doctor that certain medications
I've been prescribed for decades
will suddenly no longer be allowed on prescription.
So if I wanted to continue relying on them I'd have to pay for them myself...


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 12:00 PM

I had that with the topical gel the doctor used to prescribe for the arthritis I have in my hands - I can’t take anti-inflammatory drugs because of other medications I’m on. My repeat prescription was suddenly refused and I was told, “You can buy that over the counter at the chemist’s”.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 07:00 PM

completely free for people who are 60 or over. are under 16. or are 16 to 18 and in full-time education. In addition, certain drugs are issued free on a doctor’s prescription to all users irrespective of age - the birth-control pill is one example.

In Scotland all prescriptions are free for everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Feb 20 - 04:20 AM

My wife takes Anagrelide, for a blood disorder which can only be prescribed by her Haematology Consultant at our local NHS hospital. Our GP practice is not allowed to prescribe this drug - just possibly because it costs in £400+ for 100 tablets according to our pharmacist!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 20 - 04:26 AM

I have daily medication which is provided free of charge. Also, as we have no bus in our village, the village shop has an agreement to accept our repeat prescriptions, which they hand to the special van every week. The van returns with the medication (one month's supply) and we can collect it from the shop. This is an admirable arrangement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Feb 20 - 04:34 AM

Free public transit? HAHAHAHAHA! We'd have to build the transit system first.

In rural UK that is the same problem. King Boris is trying to ride the issue to remain popular, particularly with the grey vote. I say Boris, but read "puppet master".
We have a 9:30am rule to leave room for commuting workers and an 11pm curfew (midnight in Oxford!). Though places that only have one bus a day or even week often get dispensation on time threshold. And here in the wapwaps we get the pensioned-off buses from some large town/city.

Having said that, the overarching authority is county government, who pass the buck to the bus companies, who pass platitudes. There are several bus stops I use that display timetables for the wrong buses, and the disconnect is that drivers stop in logical places, not some weird juxtaposition decided by a suit in a distant city. Runnng across roads or the 200 yds is not an option for old, or tourists (aka hikers). Smart phone apps, that they expect older people to "get modern" with, in theory, use the timetable not the GPS data that is on local buses now, the bus may have been 8 minutes early (I do not exaggerate). They recommend 5 minutes leeway!
Worse every driver does every route at some time. They do get it wrong occasionally, I like to remind them with "pretty route today?". Ho ho ho - collapse of stout party.

But we are British, we will suffer in silence. Because we have a transit system. (Half fare on some rail services, & I have a station with direct trains to Lundun innit? If I want! In a town of 5000 homes!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Feb 20 - 05:40 AM

My wife takes Anagrelide, for a blood disorder which can only be prescribed by her Haematology Consultant at our local NHS hospital. Our GP practice is not allowed to prescribe this drug - just possibly because it costs in £400+ for 100 tablets according to our pharmacist!!

Some drugs have prescribing restricted because they are too dangerous or complicated to manage for an ordinary GP to cope with. I use tacrolimus ointment, an immunosuppressant (side-effects: lymphoma and skin cancer) which is never used as a first-line treatment and which can only be prescribed initially by a specialist, though a GP can do repeat prescriptions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 16 Feb 20 - 01:11 PM

There are of course anomalies. A London Freedom Pass serves as a bus pass in the rest of England and is accepted on Sheffield trams but not Manchester trams. (I don't know about Nottingham.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Feb 20 - 03:52 AM

Hmmm, I may try on the Wolverhampton to Birmngham tram, it almost passes through Wednesbury. As you would!

West Midlands Metro - tickets - ENCP yes, Lundun FP - not stated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 17 Feb 20 - 11:45 AM

Just found this on londoncouncils.gov.uk

What do I need to do to renew my Older Person's Freedom Pass?
If you have used your pass within the last 2 years and your address details have not changed your renewed Older Person's Freedom Pass will automatically be posted to your home address between February – March 2020. You will receive your new pass before your current pass expires. You do not need to take any action.

However, if our residency checks identify that you may have moved from the address we hold for you London Councils will have sent you a letter in mid-January inviting you to renew your pass. You will be asked to renew your Older Person's Freedom Pass online or by post, and provide proof of your address in London if your details have changed. Once you have completed your renewal your pass will be posted to you within three weeks.

            (There is also a table which shows, depending in which borough you live, the week you can expect your pass to be delivered).


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 20 - 05:16 PM

I've used my Cornwall Council bus pass in London without problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom Pass replaced automatically!
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 03:58 AM

A fine example of Boris buses finally living outside the bubble?

Has Carrie been sticking pins n his models?


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