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BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Jeri 28 Nov 20 - 01:55 PM
keberoxu 28 Nov 20 - 01:20 PM
Dave the Gnome 28 Nov 20 - 12:52 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Nov 20 - 12:02 PM
punkfolkrocker 28 Nov 20 - 11:57 AM
Donuel 28 Nov 20 - 11:06 AM
SPB-Cooperator 28 Nov 20 - 10:58 AM
Donuel 28 Nov 20 - 07:03 AM
gillymor 28 Nov 20 - 05:59 AM
Helen 28 Nov 20 - 05:43 AM
gillymor 28 Nov 20 - 05:23 AM
Bill D 27 Nov 20 - 05:41 PM
Helen 27 Nov 20 - 01:31 PM
Stilly River Sage 27 Nov 20 - 12:36 PM
Helen 26 Nov 20 - 10:30 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Nov 20 - 03:44 PM
Mrrzy 26 Nov 20 - 03:01 PM
Stilly River Sage 26 Nov 20 - 01:18 PM
punkfolkrocker 26 Nov 20 - 03:51 AM
Dave the Gnome 26 Nov 20 - 02:52 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 01:55 PM

IF Trump pardons himself, he's admitting guilt, then, if he wants to run again in 2024, it could be a problem.
It might not be, for him, because his dedicated minions don't really care how evil he is.

But then, the more time between the end of THIS presidency and then, the more truth will come out, and the Trumpy furvor will cool down.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 01:20 PM

What the heck ails actor Jon Voight?!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 12:52 PM

I asked before but got no reply and things have moved on since anyway.

What's the view in the US? Will the Turnip get his second term of will be be carried off in a straight jacket?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 12:02 PM

Or Faulty Tower, in memory of the bloke who had it...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 11:57 AM

..and rename it Obama Tower...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 11:06 AM

I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK COOPORATOR


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:58 AM

Trump tower repurposed? A complete no-brainer -   luxury temporary accommodation for those seeking asylum and going through the application process. Partly, because it would give the white supremacists an apoplectic fit.


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Subject: RE: my prediction
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 07:03 AM

Since he can't resign due to his psych condition he will try to pardon himself. It is safer to have Pence pull a Gerald Ford than do a self pardon. Donald will eventually face similar federal tax charges as Al Capone which has poetic justice.

NYS will have the last word but will run into trouble extradicting him from FL to NY. Trump tower could be sold to pay legal fees :^}

How could Trump tower in NYC be repurposed? How about the one in Chicago?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 05:59 AM

He's slippery like a frog but what I wouldn't give to see him do a perp walk on network television.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 05:43 AM

gillymor, keberoxu posted a link to an article in the thread about Mary Trump's take on her uncle, and a video on that page has a journalist discussing the legal actions which could be initiated against the Trumpster:

Trump Is Gaslighting Himself

The headline on the video is: Trump's Post-Presidential Criminal Nightmare Begins


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 05:23 AM

Helen, this Washington Post article describes the legal minefield the old flim flam man will have to navigate post-presidency. Hopefully it won't be all tee times and hookups with porn stars during the remainder of his golden years.

WaPo


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Nov 20 - 05:41 PM

Oh, I can just imagine the number of books that are being planned, written or updated these days. The Washington Post could simply publish their list of lies told in the last 4-5 years.   And various EX-federal employees will be able to write about stuff they weren't allowed to.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 27 Nov 20 - 01:31 PM

Yes, lovely family indeed! Not! All praise the mighty dollar.

One thing I read was that the pardons only relate to federal matters and apparently there is a state based court system which has been looking into Trump's tax situation and playing their cards very close to their chest. I'm holding out hope that his withholding of tax records might come back to bite him, big time.

I saw a TV show and bought the book called A$$holes: a theory, by Aaron James. (It's not spelled with the dollar signs. I'm being polite.) Very interesting take on a specific personality type. Not surprisingly, Trump is mentioned in the book but it was published before 2016 so I'm expecting Mr James might publish an updated edition at some point after 20 January 2021. :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 20 - 12:36 PM

He is all about enriching himself, protecting himself, and enriching his family. I suspect we are going to see the most bizarre collection of family-related pardons coming down the pike. It makes you wonder about all of them if they accept these pardons. We know they're feeding at the public trough, pardons will simply confirm that they broke laws in the process.

Lovely family, that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 10:30 PM

Donald Trump says he will leave the White House if Joe Biden is confirmed by electoral college:

"It is the nearest Mr Trump has come to a concession.

"Mr Trump has so far refused to concede the election and continues to claim without evidence that the election was marred by widespread fraud, and that he and not Mr Biden won it."

So in his own parallel universe this doesn't mean he has given up the "fight" for "justice".

Whatevs!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 03:44 PM

Well I'm incredibly old-fashioned and outmoded in my views, but I come from a family in which not belonging to a trade union is regarded as immoral. We pay our dues, which pay our reps and union negotiators, they get us the best pay and conditions they can*, then non-members get the same deal? Well stuff that for a game of soldiers. The people who choose to be non-members should not get the deal that we've paid our reps to get for us. And if the management give them the same deal anyway, we should strike. Of course, none of that ever happens. The boss class can sack us, shit on our working conditions, impose short hours, close the factory. We have only our labour as a bargaining stick. But that bargaining stick has been taken away from us.

I haven't spent a single day without being a member of my union since I left teacher training college, and I'll remain a member until the day I die.

*Which they can't even negotiate for us any more...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 03:01 PM

Yeah, I have no trust in bosses.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 01:18 PM

Unions are important but have been diminishing, mostly because the GOP don't like that unions are usual supporters of Democratic candidates and causes. They've busted them as fast as they can. Hopefully that will change. Right to work states are wretched. I grew up in a strong union and Wobblie state (Washington) - at one time East coast Republicans used to refer to it as "the Soviet of Washington." Trying to smear the unions.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 03:51 AM

.. oh yeah.. nowadays, it's too easy to forget there used to be proper lefty yanks,
singing rousing union solidarity songs;
while getting their skulls bashed in by Boss's hired thugs...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 02:52 AM

Not all, PFR

Union miners, stand together
Do not heed the owner's tale
I

I bet the Turnip loves that one :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 11:14 PM

yanks seem to regard unions as organised crime mob syndicates...???


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 08:25 PM

Well we could be divided by a common language here, Bill. This end, Conservative means anti-union, pro-boss, "flexible labour market" (aka hire and fire at will), zero-hours contracts, no job security. Thatcher saw to that here in the 1980s and Blair (Tory-lite) did nothing to reverse it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 08:07 PM

It ain't 'naive trust', it's a remnant from Virginia's conservative past. Virginia is changing rapidly and I rather expect that 'right to work' law may be changed soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 07:26 PM

No unions means no worker protection. I admire your naive trust in the boss class.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 05:20 PM

Virginia is a Right to Work state. No unions.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 12:20 PM

It relates to Helen's post. Trade unionism is multinational. Stop stirring it, Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 11:24 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 08:42 PM

The emasculation of trade unions over the last three decades in this country has been nothing short of criminal.


Should this be in the UK politics thread? It doesn't appear to be a rant about US politics.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 07:17 AM

Lil' Marco is once again trying to become lil' Trump:

Huffpost

Those are some big spanks to fill, you'd think he would have learned his lesson after the "small hands" thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 08:42 PM

The emasculation of trade unions over the last three decades in this country has been nothing short of criminal. The upshot is that bosses can sack you on a whim, can give you a short-term contract with no protections whatsoever, can hire you then ring you up first thing to tell you there's no work today, see ya tomorrow, can tell you that you have to pay your own own national insurance and, don't make me laugh, sick pay and holiday pay my arse...

The ugliest euphemism ever coined is that we now have "a flexible jobs market."   That's weasel-speak for we'll sack you whenever we like, we'll take you on but we might not pay you today, you can have three months in work but you'll have to bugger off once we don't need you to clean the caravans until next spring...

And the people who suffer under this quasi-fascist regime are suffering three times worse because of the virus. The ones who didn't suffer still aren't suffering. What a wonderful world...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 06:51 PM

Larry Dav... I mean Bernie Sanders maybe Sec. of Labor.

Helen
Do you guys ever eat Marin? - We don't have those huge crawfish here.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 02:53 PM

Healthy union and boss relations
should work positively for the mutual benefit of both..

Bosses should value Unions as key allies and business assets..

should......

.. oh sorry.. must have been day dreaming...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 02:37 PM

Wow! What a list! I hope he can make significant headway. He has a high mountain to climb just to try to restore balance and normality after these crazy times.

Joe Biden's first 100 days as US president — this is what he promises to do

As an ex-union member and delegate - now retired - this paragraph is good news:

"The president-elect is big on unions as well — he says he'll deliver a plan to "dramatically increase union density and address economic inequality" in his first 100 days."

For me, unions work towards giving workers a voice and support instead of business owners and managers getting all the power. It helps to equalise some of that power and provide some balance through two-way communication. Yes, it can be confrontational, but it doesn't have to be. The unions I belonged to worked with the people in charge and helped to achieve some very good outcomes for both the organisation and the people working and managing there. IMHO


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 02:08 PM

Ah - I didn't scroll way back. That's the only way to discuss the matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 01:02 PM

We are still discussing extreme options for trump's removal,
but tactfully in metaphor and allegory...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 12:53 PM

Silly me, thinking this thread would be discussing the Biden election win and here you are talking about Napoleon and lead poisoning.

Back to the subject at hand, https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/11/24/938344591/facing-pressure-trump-relents-on-starting-transition

President Trump is still not conceding that he lost the election, but he's getting closer.

Trump on Monday tweeted that he had directed the General Services Administration to begin the process of transferring the government to President-elect Joe Biden.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 12:52 PM

He definitely died of something....

errrmmm.. lead poisoning.. is there still much lead in bullets...???


Dictators tend not to have 'happy endings'..

[and we are not talking about visits from escorts and porn actresses...]


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 12:26 PM

Neither of those, according to National Geograhic.

Actually, the National Geographic appears to confirm that he was suffering from Arsenic poisoning. I carefully didn't posit it as the cause of his death. (See the Lord Peter Wimsey story "Strong Poison").


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 10:53 AM

Ooh it's a music thread now.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 10:08 AM

Fifty Ways to Leave the White House - (parody)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 08:16 AM

Yea, I got my wires crossed :-( Mea Culpa. I remembered hearing the arsenic may have been due to high levels in Wallpaper

I misremembered it as being lead in paint!

Still, seeing as both were likely to be wrong I guess it doesn't matter :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 07:22 AM

Neither of those, according to National Geograhic.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 07:15 AM

Napoleon was poisoned with lead too. May be too good for the Turnip. I'd heard he (Napoleon) suffered from Arsenic poisoning (probably not fatally). But this is the first I've heard of suggestions of lead poisoning.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 05:13 AM

Trump has magnanimously allowed the transition to proceed without conceding defeat. Look for some of those spineless GOP senators who have remained silent thus far to finally speak up and praise him for acting in the best interests of the country. January 20 can't come too soon,


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: BobL
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 03:45 AM

Insanity is hereditary - you get it from your kids.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 03:05 AM

Napoleon was poisoned with lead too. May be too good for the Turnip.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Nov 20 - 10:13 AM

Napoleon was ultimately exiled to a tiny remote island with no internet connection,

[don't know if it had a golf course...???]..

.. just saying...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Nov 20 - 10:01 AM

UNWELL? How about insane?

It does not feel like a world of right or wrong anymore.
It feels like SANE or INSANE.

Perhaps it has always been the case but its more obvious to me now.
I have always supported helping people regain their sanity...
But where and how do we profit to help Trump to regain a sanity he has never had? Sometimes there is no cure. I only know that truth and its delivery system humor, is an effective vaccine to stem the infection of insanity.

It is my belief more insanity is learned than are born with it.
Insanity itself is a pandemic. I repeat
Insanity itself has its own pandemic today.
Socially distancing ourselves from insanity has always been done.
When the insane gather on social media, infection spreads uncontrolably. Its spreads even faster when the incompetant are paid money or salaries to repeat insanity.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 10:36 PM

I just saw on the news that Donald Jr has also tested positive for COVID.

McGrath of Harlow, I have been thinking along the same lines.

The only blessing is that someone, a mysterious angel, is preventing Trump from going near a microphone as much as possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 07:25 PM

Giuliani pretty clearly was unwell during that PR session.

I'd be inclined to say the same about Trump right now. Whether it's a lingering consequence of Covid, an effect of steroids and other drugs, or a meltdown induced by his being a loser, he's in a self-destructive downward spiral. The trouble is, he seems to be taking tens of millions of others with him.

It'll make a gripping series on Netflix. Or maybe the Disney Streaming Channel.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 07:19 PM

Trump is sullen and depressed for losing, which opens him up to prosecution despite any pardon he may try to confer upon himself.
But more than that he is facing the fact he will never become a multi billionaire. While it may never become public, there is circumstantial evidence that Trump could have been a 20% owner of Russian state oil profits in exchange for removing sanctions against Russia and allowing Pompeo to have Exxon explore and drill for oil in Russia. Do you remember Pompeo's previous job?
I am sure Trump thought he had 4 more years to make his priority of becoming truly one of the big boys and reintroduce his push to remove santions against Russia which was defeated last time around.

I could be wrong but I would not be surprised if I were right.
I am sure the Cheeto holds money above family, country and legacy.
Putin will have to cultivate a new useful idiot and stooge.
Don Jr. in 24?    Naw
W Bush has made people leary of sons of previous 1 term presidents.
Tucker Carlson?   meh
The real John Q-Anon? ugh
Mitch? maybe -   with chin implants and stopping the botox shots he could be ressurected as the bold new recipe for the GOP
With enough plastic surgury he can be rebuilt, we have the technology.


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