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BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Mrrzy 25 Oct 20 - 05:31 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 05:31 PM

10.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 20 - 04:38 PM

The court cases to do with how and when to count ballots, to let them come in for X number of days after election (if postmarked in time), the number of drop-off points, the FAKE drop-off boxes, it's an embarrassment. We need the voting rights bill updated and restored to its former status.

NY Times article from last year about the attempt to restore it.

“Selma is still now!” thundered Representative Terri A. Sewell, Democrat of Alabama, the chief sponsor of the measure, during debate on the measure on the floor. “I know I’m not the only black and brown colleague of ours who owes their very presence in this chamber to the Voting Rights Act passed in 1965.”

Republicans, for their part, argued that the bill would trample on states’ ability to dictate their own election rules by abusing measures in place to prevent voter disenfranchisement.

“The bill before us today would turn those federal shields that protect voters into political weapons,” said Representative Doug Collins of Georgia, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, adding that the legislation would do so “when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that those states or localities engaged in any discriminatory behavior when it comes to voting.”

The debate underscored the deep partisan polarization that has taken hold on issues related to voting and elections in recent years. In 2006, the last time the Voting Rights Act was updated, the measure passed overwhelmingly in the House, where large majorities of both parties supported it, unanimously passed the Senate, and was signed into law by a Republican president, George W. Bush.

On Friday, just one Republican, Representative Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, voted “yes.”

In the Shelby case, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote that Congress remained free to try to impose federal oversight on states where voting rights were at risk, but must do so based on contemporary data. The measure passed on Friday was an attempt to do just that.

Specifically, it would update the parameters used to determine which states and territories need to seek approval for electoral procedures, requiring public notice for voting changes and expanding access for Native American and Alaska Native voters.

But it is unlikely to come to a vote in the Senate, where Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, has refused to take up most legislation championed by House Democrats.


2018 and 2020 can be used as illustrations as to why the bill is needed more than ever before. And Stacy Abrams can become the Voting Tsar when Biden takes office in January, 2021.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Oct 20 - 09:37 AM

Oh, I know, Donuel. You are capable of parroting all kinds of things, including facts [big grin]!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 07:53 PM

This is not your typical tweedle dee or tweedledumb choice this election. It is more like his excellency Dungmold J Trounce vs. citizen Joey. Ignorant bullies will unite behind their like minded Fuerer. Yes this includes police who were drawn to the bully force in the first place. I have heard a Police Captain in an unguarded moment and he sounded like a mini Turdp and confused insult with power. We have seen a rethinking of our civil war and its monuments. Trump will not be forgotten but will become a martyr for terrorists as long as the 1865 civil war rememberance and will remind the haters how close they got to a 4th Reich. Its not over for a long time and the past has not passed.
Yes Mrrzy I am capable of more than parroting facts. I can do parody, editorializing, opinion, historical resemblance and epic cartoons.
It burns Joe O's toast but thats the way the kook e-crumbles.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 10:26 AM

Yikes on postal police about whom I had never heard till researching Donuel's claim above.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 06:10 AM

I don't know what it means but 2 major internet fiber cables in the DC metro area have been cut. One in VA on the last day of voter registration and yesterday one in MD was cut.
Also the postal police have been ordered to stand down for 2 weeks.
There is no protection for mail carriers , mail boxes or ballot drop boxes. There will be no postal security until after the election.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 20 - 05:59 AM

Don't be complacent, US friends. At our last general election the polls had the parties pretty close but the populist right wing by a landslide. We are now suffering the consequences. I hope it doesn't happen to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 02:53 PM

Really? The bull artist won?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 02:19 PM

I am honestly dreading to discover
who the Republicans have in mind
to step in when Trump goes down.

And don't tell me that
the Republicans aren't planning on Trump going down,
because, no doubt,
some of the Republicans are doing just that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 10:56 AM

Gun sales are up 150%

I just had a 'Go Fund Me' idea regarding an unofficial Trump memorial statue of a heavenly golden golf bag containing broken golf clubs with a bronze plaque saying:
"In loving memory to Donald J Trump from immigrant parents, gay lesbian, transgender, advocates of diversity, Covid victims and patriots of democracy - for his timely passing."
The golf bag and each club is labeled TRUMP.

I would like to see it on Obama Plaza at the Trump tower or as a replacement for the defiant young lady that will sadly soon be removed from the Wall street statue site of the Raging Bull.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 09:59 AM

The media drives most stuff that happens. "This is what you should care about." If they quit covering Trump, there won't be much going on...except on Fox "News".

In other words, do you know what's going on with the Portland Oregon protests currently, or do you think that's over with?

And if anything prompts me to go buy a gun, it's the Trump crazies, but so far, I resist.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 20 - 09:30 AM

A fortnight


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 02:43 AM

mind you its not over till the fat laddie sings


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 02:03 AM

Won’t your ‘well-regulated militia’ swing into action, as required by their revered 2A?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 20 - 01:24 AM

Once Biden is sworn in he can have Trump removed, but what kind of chaos will happen from Nov. 4 to January 19 is truly frightening.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 10:15 PM

The big question now is what will happen when Trump loses?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 09:47 PM

3 weeks.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 08:19 PM

I now have three badges on my Mountain Warehouse gilet: an enamel EU circle of stars one, my membership pin of the Royal Meteorological Society and my Dump Trump badge. Any more and I'll develop a forward stoop. Once Trump gets kicked out I'll replace that one with my "This is what a trade unionist looks like" badge.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 04:57 PM

paddy power has biden 2 to 5 on to win. trump is trailing at 15 to 8


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 02:56 PM

Sounds picturesque. We have a gorgeous beach town Truro in Cape Cod. You have a better cathedral.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 20 - 02:13 PM

I'm off to Truro tomorrow. I shall be sporting my Dump Trump badge just in case I bump into a yank or three.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 04:24 PM

FREE REGENERON MONO CLONAL ANTIBODY TREATMENT FOR ALL !
Promised Trump today.

Whats next? A codicil limiting free treatment for 20 years or his term as President, which ever comes first. A 5% discount at all Trump golf courses? Free AK 47 ammunition for Michigan residents?

A Trump promise is like a wet moldy loaf of Bread and a WWF Circus on TV.

I wonder what the rare mono clonal treatment costs?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 03:57 PM

Trump nonsense plays out in the mask-wearing world. I had to get some dogfood today and Tractor Supply on the weekend is nothing like during the week. While I was there three men walked in, not even pretending to wear masks, straight into the store, and one of the clerks left his mask way down below his nose. I told the clerk who served me I'd be ordering mail order from now on. I wish this food was sold elsewhere, I'd try my luck with a different store.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 02:48 PM

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 01:24 PM

One more long-weekend holiday before the national election,
and where I am staying,
plenty of tourist traffic thanks to the warm pleasant weather.


The Trump people, particularly a group calling themselves
Seniors For Trump!,
have stationed themselves with picket signs and waving flags
on the highway curb where they will be highly visible,
such as, across the street from the MacDonald's branch
by the exit ramp from the Mass Turnpike (I-20).
One of the flags is the Don't Tread On Me rattlesnake flag.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 10:31 AM

I think Ms. Page should have been more forceful, Chris Wallace should have as well at the Prez debate, or at least been given a mute button to use with discretion. My main takeaway from the evening is that Sen. Harris demonstrated to any one that wasn't aware of it that she is ready to step in as President if called upon and that Pence is just a trump toady who will say anything and adopt any position to please his boss, but we already knew that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 09:43 AM

A snap CNN poll has been split by gender.

For men, Harris marginally won by 48% to 46%
For women, Harris dramatically won, by 69% to 30%

Mansplaining is not a good tactic, it seems.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 09:35 AM

One of the analysts on MSNBC said he counted how many times Page tried to stop Pence by saying "Thank you Mr. Pence" or "Thank you vice president" and he just talked over both women, though she tried to stop him more than 100 times. There was a lot of mansplaining going on there - he talked over the top of them because that's what he's learned from Trump. The decibels may have been lower but the lack of answers and the disregard for the process were still there.

No one will change their mind after that debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 09:22 AM

I'd forgotten about what was probably the most powerful moment of the evening-

They're coming for you- The Guardian

Note Susan Page, who I admire, trying to cut off Harris while for most of the evening she was letting Pence ramble on past his time limit.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 07:43 AM

and shockingly, but not surprisingly, Pence wouldn't say wether or not he'd support a peaceful transfer of power.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 07:12 AM

Last night's VP debate reminded me that flies gravitate to a lying, steaming turd. Pence had no defense for trump's, and his own, abysmal record on the virus, the economy, healthcare and immigration so he spewed lies and misinformation about Biden.
Harris, while evasive at times and perhaps she wasn't as aggressive as she could have been on the pathetic trump/pence virus response and trump's taxes, projected a clear, calm demeanor, the kind you'd hope to see in a U.S. President. She did deliver a hammer blow when she characterized trump's non-response to the virus as the biggest presidential failure in history.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 08:32 AM

Pence is pictured mask-less in the front row of that Rose Garden event two Saturday's ago and should have been in quarantine since he learned of the numerous infected attendees . Although he's tested negative since he can still be a carrier yet he's going to participate in the V.P. debate on Wednesday and attend a rally on Thursday. As much as I'd like to see former prosecutor Kamala Harris carve him out a new one on his record as head of the COVID response team, his attendance is completely irresponsible.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 08:06 AM

So trump has covid 19 - our thoughts are with the virus!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 03:08 PM

At least not wearing a mask was consistent with what we all knew about Trump - that he is a barefaced liar.

I like Michael Moore, but I can't see how there could be any positive outcome for Trump from a faked Covid-19, even with Biden turning down the Trump knocking rhetoric. There will be Trump's true believers who will no doubt see it as a reason to redouble their idolatry, but it makes no difference to their vote. But there'll bet those who were planning to maybe vote for him who are going to be shaken by the sheer arrogance and stupidity made so blatantly clear.

If it did come to switching Pence to the top of the ticket the question would arise those who havealready voted for Trump. How could tgey be counted as going for Pence? There will be many of them for whom loyalty to Trump was a very personal thing, and who would have neverbeen likely to vote for Pence. Shouldn't all early votes forTrumpbe liabletobevoidedif theirman


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 02:39 PM

We all know trump is a lying arsehole.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 01:33 PM

Not that simple, Jeri!

Details here and here among others.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 11:47 AM

If the President becomes incapacitated (as in dead), the Vice President assumes his duties. Then. the Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi) gets the job. After that, Chuck Grassley, then Mike Pompeo.

Yay, Google.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:58 AM

Copied and pasted from Michael Moore’s FaceBook page because I prefer to protect the identity of the person who shared it...no comment necessary, AFAIC.

”So Now Trump Has Earned Your Trust? A Note of Covid Caution from Michael Moore....

There is one absolute truth about Trump: He is a consistent, absolute, unrelenting, fearless, and professional liar. A serial liar. A factually proven liar. How many lies now has the Washington Post proven in these four years? 25,000? A lie at least twice during every waking hour? Think of all the bad people you’ve known in your life. Even the worst ones you couldn’t say that about.

So why on earth would we believe him today? Has he earned your trust now? No. Yet, we’re decent enough to not want him to be sick, to wish him well, and maybe just this once give him the benefit of the doubt because why would he lie about this?

That’s not the question. The question we — and yes, I mean you, too, the media — the only question we really need to be asking is this: Why would Trump all of a sudden just start telling the truth?

All of you, my friends, have been saying for four years, “Trump’s a liar! Trump is a liar!” Why would you believe him now? He very well may have COVID-19. In fact, let’s assume he does. Of course he has it! Does that make him not Trump? I’m certain Mussolini came down with the flu one time. Pinochet and Franco would catch a cold every now and then. Margaret Thatcher must have had a migraine or two. None of them suddenly became nice or did good things - or started telling the truth - because they got sick. Jesse Helms with a runny nose was still Jesse Helms.

But Trump has a history of lying about his health. His longtime New York doctor, Dr. Bornstein, admitted a few years ago that Trump dictated his perfect “doctor’s letter” during the 2016 campaign. Then there was the White House doctor who said Trump could live “200 years!” What about his lying about that emergency trip to Walter Reed “to complete his physical?” Trump also has a history of lying about his opponents’ health (like when Hillary fell ill at the 9/11 remembrance ceremony, or what he’s now been saying about Biden’s health).

So we must be skeptical. We must always remain skeptical when it comes to Trump. He may have it. But it’s also possible he’s lying. That’s just a fact.

But why would he lie about this? What would he have to gain? I mean, it looks bad that he’s called it a hoax for seven months, and he totally mismanaged the government response — and now he has it? Doesn’t it look terrible that he’s spent months downplaying wearing masks, dismissing social distancing, holding large rallies filled with elderly, at-risk supporters and even killing his own supporters like Herman Cain? And doesn’t this go against his brand of always projecting (and exaggerating) his own strength, his health, his genetics, his virility? Yes. This is all true. He would not want to admit he‘s come down with a hoax.

But — he’s losing the election. And he knows it. It’s not 2016. He was hated in 2016, but he’s hated even more now. Millions of Americans are ON FIRE and on the verge of serving him up a major league ass-whooping and a record landslide defeat.

So he needs - badly - to totally change the conversation about this campaign.

And he just has.

Democrats, liberals, the media and others have always been wrong to simply treat him as a buffoon and a dummy and a jackass. Yes, he is all those things. But he’s also canny. He’s clever. He outfoxed Comey. He outfoxed Mueller. He outfoxed 20 Republicans in the GOP primary and then did the same to the Democrats, winning the White House despite receiving fewer votes than his opponent. He’s an evil genius and I raise the possibility of him lying about having COVID-19 to prepare us and counteract his game. He knows being sick tends to gain one sympathy. He’s not above weaponizing this.

He’s been lying about how soon a vaccine will be ready. What better way to hammer home that lie then by directing a saga in the final weeks before the election that culminates in the release of this “vaccine.”

The NY Times tax story was horrible for him. As was The Atlantic story about him calling American troops losers and suckers. There are a dozen more of these stories coming in October. Just last night, The New Yorker detailed how his campaign finance director (and Don Jr’s girlfriend) was fired from Fox News for....well...behaving like a typical Fox News host by sexually harassing her assistant and forcing Fox to pay a $4 million settlement to that assistant due to her behavior. And also, last night, there was CNN playing an audio recording of Melania talking shit about children separated from their parents at the border — AND talking shit about Christmas. Christmas!

These stories are about to be a daily occurrence. However, they may get less airtime and be less damaging since Trump and FLOTUS are now “sick” and supposed to be in our thoughts and prayers.

But most dangerously, HE MAY USE THIS TO PUSH FOR DELAYING/POSTPONING THE ELECTION. The constitution does not allow for this, but he doesn’t give a f*ck about the constitution. He and his thug Attorney General Barr have no shame and will stop at nothing to stay in power. He may even use this as an excuse for losing.

Then there’s this:

He may use his Covid as a pretext to drop out of the race and move Pence to the top of the ticket. Pence would temporarily become President, and then Pence could pre-emptively pardon Trump for all of his crimes.

Again, though, he may have COVID. He probably does. But never, ever, ever take him at his word and never, ever, ever underestimate his survival skills or the depths of his deception or his evil.

What can YOU do today? Make your plan to vote and stick to it. Question everything. And if you and I are finally convinced he has it, do NOT sit silent as he schemes how to use this illness for his benefit.

Finally, on a personal note: Stay alive Mr. President. Your exit from public life must happen in the right and decent way. You have many years to live. You have a child to raise. Grandchildren who need you. A base that loves you. And the families of nearly the quarter-million dead who might be alive today had you done your job, had you cared, had you not played politics with people's lives. Over 200,000 lost souls — and YOU KNEW! You told Woodward in February it was a plague. 200,000 dead because of decisions you made, because you denigrated science and ignored the doctors.

I’m certain you’re listening to them now.

Covid must not remove you. That’s our job. With a pen and a ballot.”


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:52 AM

I just checked with the county board of electors and my vote has been counted. It's sad that that diseased monster has caused so much anxiety amongst the electorate but at least it's got people on their toes.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:35 AM

Easily done, Jeri!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 09:19 AM

Backwoodsman, you're right. I mistook a comma for a period. (From here)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:36 AM

I suppose this is what they call an "October Surprise".


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:19 AM

As I understand it'd be possible to delay the election, but that would need both houses of Congress to approve it. And whatever happens this term of presidency ends on January 20.

If Trump were to die before the election date what's the legal position regarding the election?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 03:47 AM

Anyone else think, as I do, that this Covid stunt might be a way of Agent Orange avoiding making a cockwomble of himself on future debates the way he did a few nights ago? Or perhaps even an attempt to get the Election postponed (is that allowed under your Electoral regime?)?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 01:41 AM

I think your numbers are off by a factor of a thousand there, Jeri - should be a 1million majority, and 13 million non-voters.

I agree about our system, Kevin - I would prefer a system of PR here myself - but I still believe that the mechanics of voting are simpler in the U.K. than the US, and less open to manipulation. A perfect example of the shit-show of US election malpractice can be seen here...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 10:28 PM

Both of our countries are pretty bad at voter turn-out, I believe.
I notice that for Brexit, leave won over stay by a little over 1,000 votes, and about 13,000 people didn't vote. I don't know the figures for our 2016 election, and each state was different, but I'd guess we were even worse.

Part of me wishes voting was mandatory. All of me wishes it were easier for everybody


Correction: add a "," and "000".
So it's stay won by 1,000,000, and 13,000,000 didn't vote. (rounded)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 08:50 PM

Nothing to boast about in the British voting system, where the winning party pretty well never gets anywhere near a majority of the votes, typically around 35% of the total vote, and on occasion fewer votes than the runner up. But it is simpler than the way they do it in the States. Mostly by dispensing with any pretensions to democracy when it comes to most things.

But there are far fewer possibilities for unscrupulous local or national politicians to subvert the process, which is the threat looming over America now. And in a real way, looming over the whole world.

As for Biden, whatever flaws he's got, the crucial point is, he's not Trump. I find it virtually impossible to imagine anyone short of Hitler I wouldn't choose over Trump. Boris Johnson, Margaret Thatcher, Nixon...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 06:59 PM

I copied part of the Wikipedia article
The suitability of the Electoral College system is a matter of ongoing debate. Supporters argue that it is fundamental to American federalism, that increases the political influence of small states by the "plus two" Senate count over the number of state Representatives. The geographic dimension of the Electoral College requires candidates to appeal to voters outside large cities. Parties must form national coalitions with moderating appeals, contributing to stability of the two-party system.[6] Presently, a decisive choice for president is made without the challenges and recounts in every state that would follow a nationwide popular vote.[7]

Critics argue that the Electoral College is less democratic than a national direct popular vote and is subject to manipulation because of faithless electors.[8][9] Opponents argue that the system is antithetical to a democracy that strives for a standard of "one person, one vote" because it can thwart a presidential choice by the voters with a national majority.[10] There can be elections where one candidate wins the popular vote but another wins the electoral vote, as in the 2000 election and 2016 election.[11] Individual citizens in less populated states with 5% of the Electoral College, have proportionately more voting power than those in more populous states,[12] and candidates can win by focusing their resources on just a few “swing states”.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 04:59 PM

If that’s the case, Mrrzy, you’re absolutely correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 04:39 PM

My understanding if the electoral college is that its original purpose was to give greater weight to some people's votes than others' - and as such ought to have been gotten rid of long ago.


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