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BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Jeri 05 Nov 20 - 08:39 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Nov 20 - 07:47 PM
Jeri 05 Nov 20 - 07:33 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Nov 20 - 06:15 PM
The Sandman 05 Nov 20 - 02:32 PM
The Sandman 05 Nov 20 - 02:22 PM
Mrrzy 05 Nov 20 - 10:06 AM
Bonzo3legs 05 Nov 20 - 08:47 AM
Jeri 05 Nov 20 - 08:34 AM
Donuel 05 Nov 20 - 07:23 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 08:39 PM

Thanks for the clarification. Looks like Dems still have the House. They thought they get the Senate, but didn't, or at least didn't flip it completely. I wish they got the Senate, but the Presidency is pretty good. (I DID want McConnell and Graham gone.)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 07:47 PM

I didn't mean to imply that he would be weak as a man, just that he could be weakened by the prospect of a lack of majority in the House/Senate.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 07:33 PM

He's going to make it.

Trump was just talking about how the evil Democrats were trying to steal the election. He said he won. There are lawsuits and attempts to stop the counting everywhere, some of which were dismissed. The mad has been increasingly un-balanced, and is very bad right now, what with his level of frustration. I think Biden will win, and I think Trump will be interesting to watch, if you like that sort of entertainment. MSNBC just stopped showing his address, and I think ignoring him is probably the healthiest thing I can do.

I should say, I don't think Biden is weak just because Trump has tried to get people to believe he is. Calm logic, patience in the face of craziness, and deliberate ignoring trolls takes some fortitude. IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 06:15 PM

Obviously I can't speak for everybody this end, but if I might just make a pitch for what my take on what "The Reasonable Brit" might be thinking about what's going on:

We want, dearly want, Joe Biden to get over the line. He may be weak because of the prospective numbers in the House/Senate, but we see him as that Safe Pair Of Hands that we saw (despite their flaws) with Bill Clinton and Obama. We think that his pledge to rejoin the Paris Accords is crucial for the future of the planet. We are incredibly disappointed that he didn't wipe Trump out. In fact, bearing in mind that Trump got far more votes than last time, we are worried to death about the future of western democracy in the face of the rise of populism. We have a US contributor on Question Time tonight who is saying that the US is not a democracy at all, but an oligarchy driven by corporations and powerful lobby groups. I'm not quite there with that view myself but I know what she means. I liked to hear Biden's calm voice tonight. Whether he can calm the world for four years to come is a bloody moot point but he's the only hope we've got. There's no God so I can't pray, but I want to wake up tomorrow hearing that Joe has made it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 02:32 PM

The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is a nonprofit corporation established in 1987 under the joint sponsorship of the Democratic and Republican political parties in the United States.[1][3] The CPD sponsors and produces debates for U.S. presidential and vice-presidential candidates and undertakes research and educational activities relating to the debates. It has run all of the presidential debates held since 1988. The commission's debates are sponsored by private contributions from foundations and corporations[4] as well as fees from hosting institutions.[5]

The commission's exclusion of third-party candidates from the debates has been the subject of controversy and legal challenges.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 02:22 PM

bonzo is just being a dog in a manger.
bonzio, i am not irish i have a uk passport
now a really important fact, that nobody has mentioned is about the presedential debate which only takes place between republicans and democrats no other candidates take part apparantly back in the 1980s the democrats and the republicans agreed to set up a jointly owned private company called theThe Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD)
is a nonprofit corporation established in 1987 under the joint sponsorship of the Democratic and Republican political parties in the United States. ... It has run all of the presidential debates held since 1988.
it excludes all other parties


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 10:06 AM

"We go to the garrick now and become warbs."


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 08:47 AM

Irish of berb "to desit" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oi desit
ye desit
he'b desit
we'b desitin'
you'b desitin'
they'b desitin'


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 08:34 AM

If Biden (or anyone) doesn't get to 270 electoral college votes, there must be a Contingency Election, which sounds like too much fun. I think it means that we could end up with Biden/Pence, but I don't know. I just want Biden to win freakin' Nevada.

Covid-19 has pretty much wrecked everything: lives, our economy, way of life, and the reason it's still surging 9 months later is that we have no federal leadership, to speak of. We've got a guy sitting in an office, making money, and hurting people. Not "leading".


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 07:23 AM

A libertarian is free to annoy everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 05:35 AM

Surely a libertarian is someone who puts individual freedom above social responsibility - eg people who own semi-automatic firearms.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 04:25 AM

A peculiar feature of all this is that the election and the ongoing rows will inevitably make the election centre stage and therefore drive the virus off the front page. On the UK 'Newsnight' programme last night there was already a Republican pointing out coronavirus has disappeared from the news, which is exactly what Trump claimed would happen. Of course, Trump claimed it would happen because it is all a plot by Democrats to stoke fear and it seems likely his supporters will believe that rather than the real reason it is off the front page for a while - perhaps quite a long while. It could be some time before the difference between 'disappearing' and 'disappearing from the news headlines' is understood.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 03:02 AM

ok the libertarian is progressive in some ways and reactionary in others


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 01:57 AM

and what is the green party candidate like ,and the libertarian is she more right wing than trump


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 12:32 AM

bonzo nobody forces you to do anything so please desit imposing your doggerel on us


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 12:29 AM

264 biden 214 trump how can trump win


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 11:47 PM

Trump was put in office by the Electoral College, despite the 3million + popular votes more that Hillary won. It's time for the Electoral College, a relic of the days when slave-holding states needed to get an extra bump, to go away. The popular vote should be the only factor.

It's agonizing to wait for the answer, but then, I think about how this must be absolute torture for Trump and his money-grubbing family and friends, I can be patient and wait for the results.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 11:00 PM

They flipped Arizona!

exclaims the Mudcat member
old enough to remember Senator Barry Goldwater.

I have lived to see the day ...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 09:13 PM

If Biden holds Arizona and Nevada, which seems likely, Pennsylvania won't matter, he'll be right at 270. Georgia is also in play for Biden.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 08:23 PM

Election reporting is over using the word PATH to victory.
The psycho path must be going crazy.
I'm happy Florida is not the deciding state anymore.
Pennsylvania has that honor/snafu now.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Elmore
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 07:14 PM

Thank Christ Biden is the (apparent) winner. My late, beloved wife, an atheist, whom I miss more than I can say, was rolling over in her ashes last night. tmi?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 05:55 PM

It's the hope that is driving me around the bend...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 05:43 PM

In local elections DC has legalized magic mushrooms. I voted against sports betting but it won 66 to 34.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 05:12 PM

As of this post, Michigan has been called for Biden.. if that holds, it gives him 264..... and he's leading in Nevada, which has 9. Math... and Penn. is still being counted.

Trump, of course, is suing everyone connected with counting,,, "to 'review' all ballots where we didn't have access."


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 04:49 PM

As to the query "IS that promising" about the electoral vote. The short answer is "no". The electoral college is a way to sum up the state by state totals where a vote within a state that involves the merest of majorities puts the totality of the state's vote count (the sum of the state's number of representatives and senators) into the candidate's bucket. There are a couple of states with proportional counts, but the far greater majority have a winner take all philosophy. So it comes down to a vew states with contested or incomplete or both counts.

Right now it's neck and neck and it's going to stay that way for anything from a couple of days to a couple of months.

By the way, I understand the desire to be helpful but downloading an entire New York Times article into an opinion thread is not that helpful (and I'm guilty of just the same thing).


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 04:21 PM

"Trumpism" is the last thing on my mind right now. It appears that we have flushed the orange turd and that is cause for celebration.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 04:12 PM

Will it ever end, I would rather listen to a recent Shirley Collins album than anything to do with their preposterous errection!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 03:35 PM

Perhaps, Sandman, but this clip from the Guardian is sobering.

Now, if Trump wins the election, Trumpism wins. But if Trump loses the election, Trumpism wins too.

A sense of grievance over a narrow defeat, fuelled by the president’s bogus claims of fraud and amplified by conservative media, will thrive again a Democratic president. The “Make America Great Again” movement – with its nostalgia for a country that never was – was built for opposition rather than incumbency.

There’s more, Republicans appear to be on course to hold their Senate majority and may end up gaining seats in the House of Representatives. Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, and Lindsey Graham were rewarded, not punished, for normalising Trump and enforcing his will. The message to other Republican aspirants is clear. This is Trump’s party now.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 03:25 PM

biden 248 trump , trump214 is a dead donald


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 02:46 PM

Aaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: EBarnacle
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 12:11 PM

The NYTimes
On Politics
November 4, 2020

It’s Wednesday, and this is your politics tip sheet. Today, there’s only one big tip we can think to offer: Be patient.


An election season defined by anxiety appears likely to drag on for another few nerve-racking days. How fitting.

The resounding, across-the-board victory that Democrats had hoped they might see last night — encouraged by their strong showing in the 2018 midterms, and yet another year of overly favorable polls — never materialized.

At the same time, what at first blush may have seemed as if it was shaping up to be a surprisingly robust Republican showing was actually much less certain. The first ballots to be counted in many states were those cast on Election Day, giving an illusion of Republican mega-strength that will probably erode across the board as more mail-in ballots are counted.

And so now, we wait.

Of course, that’s not what President Trump wants us to do. He got onstage at the White House around 2:30 a.m. and unleashed an attack on the country’s very democratic institutions.

“We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election,” he said, falsely claiming that the early returns gave him an insurmountable lead and baselessly calling the vote-counting process “a fraud on the American people.” He declared — alarmingly — that he intended to bring his complaints to the Supreme Court, with its newly strengthened conservative majority, and ask it to stop counting ballots.

“We’ll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court,” he said. “We want all voting to stop. We don’t want them to find any ballots at 4 o’clock in the morning and add them to the list, OK? It’s a very sad moment.”

Joe Biden appeared to see this coming — and indeed, Democrats had worried about such a scenario occurring in a tight race. By the time Trump spoke, Biden had already pre-empted the president, giving his own remarks over an hour earlier at a drive-in event in Wilmington, Del. In a brief address, partly off the cuff but mostly off a teleprompter, Biden declared himself optimistic and insisted that every vote must count.

“I’m here to tell you tonight, we believe we’re on track to win this election,” he said. “We knew because of the unprecedented early vote and the mail-in vote, it was going to take a while. We’re going to have to be patient until the hard work of tallying the votes is finished. And it ain’t over until every vote is counted, every ballot is counted.”

Republicans yesterday did win closely contested Senate races in at least two states, Alabama and Iowa, and flipped at least six House seats, giving them a four-seat net gain in that chamber so far.

But Democrats also picked up two Senate seats, in Colorado and Arizona, and close races remain uncalled in North Carolina, Georgia, Michigan and Maine — most of them potential Democratic pickups. The party’s path to a Senate majority may have narrowed somewhat, but the fate of the chamber, it’s safe to say, still hangs in the balance.

Where we’re at
Based on the states that have already been declared, Biden needs 43 more electoral votes to get to the golden number of 270, and Trump needs 57.

The three Northern states that flipped for Trump in 2016 — Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania — remain uncalled. So do North Carolina and Georgia, both of which went for him in 2016 but have been heavily targeted by Democrats this cycle, and both of which are double-whammies: They have contested Senate races hitched to the presidential contest.

In many of these still-uncalled states, Trump holds the lead in terms of ballots counted — but that could easily change as more mail-in ballots and some in-person votes continue to be tabulated.

In Georgia, as Biden mentioned in his speech, Democrats are feeling bullish. Many more votes are yet to come in from the Atlanta area; in DeKalb County, for instance, one of the state’s largest, early in-person votes had not even begun to be counted until last night.

In Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, votes were not allowed to be counted until yesterday morning, so it could take at least another day for all ballots to be tabulated.

When exit polls disagree
One lesson that we learned — well, relearned — last night is that polls cannot be trusted to predict the outcome of an election. Prepare yourself for a lot of articles about this fact.

Yet another reminder of this verity arrived via the exit polls, when two separate voter surveys yesterday showed some widely diverging results.

The traditional exit polls, conducted by Edison Research on behalf of a consortium of news organizations, showed that Trump was neck and neck with Biden among white college graduates, including a virtual tie among white women with college degrees. This was in defiance of almost every major poll before the election.

The Associated Press and NORC’s new, ambitious, 140,000-interview voter survey, VoteCast, had results that were more in line with expectations: Biden was ahead among white women with college educations by more than 20 points, even as Trump managed to pull closer to even with him among white college men.

This was only one of many points of departure between the traditional exit polls, which tended to show results slightly more favorable to Trump across the board, and the new A.P./NORC study.

As you get ready for a season full of polling takes, expect these voter surveys to be a major focus of discussion and hand-wringing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 12:02 PM

Aaaaaaarrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 11:37 AM

Over here they've got it Biden 224 trump 213, DtG but it looks like Biden has a clearer path to 270. Still, it ain't over 'til it's over.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 11:24 AM

Biden leading by 238 to 213. Is that promising?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 10:51 AM

i think he will win but he will only have about five votes over, say 275


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 10:39 AM

Once again pundits with their predictions of huge Biden leads have worked against the body politic. They follow the money, which doesn't actually say anything except express wishes, and they don't take into account the people who refuse to participate in polls.

Again it must be said - ignore the polls and vote. Hopefully enough people did that this year to evict Trump from the White House.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 10:32 AM

It's not stupidity, though that is a factor. And it goes far before the times of Jerry Springer. 'Member these hoary sayings:

"There's a sucker born every minute!"

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

"Few peoples' confidence in democracy would survive a 30 minute conversation with the average voter."

I could go on, but I won't.

It's not just America, either. There is a confidence in 'The wisdom of crowds'. But then there's the Dutch Tulip Mania. And "irrational exuberance."

I think more appropriate and somewhat hopeful is Lincoln's quote: "You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

But let us not forget Trump's interjection "-and that's good enough for me!"


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 10:11 AM

Somehow, stupidity has somehow become an honorable trait. I think it all started with Jerry Springer, and people throwing chairs at others. That may just come down to things that irritate me, though.

We need to find out how to make intelligence and truth more important than supporting one's club.

Biden's going to win the Presidency. Trump will then challenge the win in the courts. I have to believe that no matter what the personal beliefs of Supreme Court justices, the Constitution and the Law are more important the making a selfish, crooked politician happy. There's no room for interpretation. The evidence is the evidence is the evidence, and the law is only flexible to a point. I think he'd have to show cause to believe something illegal happened, but I'm not a lawyer.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 09:22 AM

Backwoodsman. Thanks for the good wishes and I understand the doubts.

I'm disappointed and incredulous that so many of us have voted out of a willingness to believe nonsense over the evidence of our (evidently lying) eyes. And fear.
The Republicans have done some very good campaigning in critical areas and somehow the pollsters have not got a grip on the public sentiment that literally counts toward the votes. Likewise the Democrats do not have effective counters to the swamp of misinformation, despite such clever commentators such as John Oliver and Stephen Colbert (and all of Public Media).

Emotionally I'm with Joe Offer. But we need to be learning up on what makes people believe what they believe. This is not 'newly' new, but the technology changes of the latest generation have put our ability to judge under new stresses.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 08:47 AM

the bokies at1.46 gmt have biden 1/3 on to win


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 07:54 AM

Trump’s behaviour in his ‘stop the count, I’ve decided I won’ declaration is less like that of the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth, and absolutely like that of the tin-pot dictator of some third-world banana-republic. And still, I keep seeing people on t’Interweb proclaiming him ‘the greatest president ever’.

As a life-long admirer of the US and (most of) its people, I’m finding very little to admire right now (apart from their great music and musicians!).


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 06:02 AM

I also think Biden will win, but am by no means confident, nor have I been for weeks.

On the other hand it looks like the Republicans could keep control of the Senate. It that happens, and Biden wins, we will have the stand-offs that were common during Obama's years.

Meanwhile I am wondering how this uncertainty will affect the UK-EU negotiations, but that's a topic for a different thread!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 05:19 AM

I hope you are right, Joe.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 05:10 AM

So, Trump claims victory and Biden asks for patience until all the votes are counted. Even FoxNews questions Trump's victory claims.
I still think Biden will win, and that the Democrats will take both the House and Senate. But it's not the total victory we had hoped for.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Nov 20 - 03:21 AM

did tramp really call litlle pomp, little pimp


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: EBarnacle
Date: 03 Nov 20 - 09:43 PM

The quote about counting the votes is usually attributed to Josef Stalin.

Lady Hillary and I worked the polls in NJ today. The only problem we had was getting the drop slot for the secure mail ballots to open so people could vote. Some of them went to other drop boxes. We got it working about 45 min after the polls opened.

Despite it being prominently posted, there were a couple of people who refused to mask up and were not permitted to vote. There were two who insisted on voting by machine and left without voting. No signs of intimidation. Just about everyone was orderly.

The new system worked reasonably well and, because it is paper based, will be harder for outsiders to tamper with.

Early and mail in voting was very heavy in our county.

Election Day turnout was lower than for the primary but that may have been due to a massive mail in return in our county. Also, we were unable to count the mailins who dropped their ballots in other boxes today.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Nov 20 - 09:27 PM

Where's the best wonkish site for charts? The NYT has a live map, but it doesn't show how many electoral college votes the states have, for instance.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Nov 20 - 09:03 PM

BBC World Service (radio) is doing a good on-the-spot coverage, lots of interviews. You can get it on internet radio.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 20 - 08:34 PM

I don't get subscription channels. I have been dabbling in TCM at times for laughs..

Just saw the last hour of "Lolita".... umm... I can't imagine what the early scenes could have done to clarify ..or justify... the staging, acting or plot twists at the end...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 20 - 08:22 PM

You'll drive yourself nuts if you listen to the early returns. I turned it on briefly to hear them talking to a Trump apologist on PBS and decided to wait a while.

This would be a good evening to stream something on Netflix and wait till time for your local evening news to turn on the TV at the very earliest. Seriously. Human nervous systems don't do well with all of this back and forth stuff. If I had real discipline I'd wait till tomorrow morning to turn on the news.


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