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BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Mrrzy 30 Sep 20 - 02:09 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 02:09 PM

Ayup.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 02:34 PM

Yeah, it was all that because a certain ignorant, incompetent, racist, charlatan of a president wanted it to be all that. He had nothing to add of substance and his record is indefensible so rhetorical bomb throwing was his only option. Biden acquitted himself very well given the circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 06:15 PM

You have 350 million people and all you can present for election is these two utter incompetents. We can all hope that you can somehow deliver Joe for the safety and sanity of the world. But he allowed Trump to drag him into the swamp within minutes and he never recovered. That augurs very badly for us all even if Joe wins, which he almost certainly won't. Your politics is infantile, anti-democratic and is a threat to the planet. Otherwise, all ok. God help us.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 06:42 PM

Your election is coming up very soon. From 18 September, for nine days, there were no posts to this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 06:31 AM

You people have a lot to be proud of over there, you sat on your hands while a bunch of racist moneygrubbers took you out of the EU and wrecked your kid's economic futures. I'll take Joe Biden over BoJo any day.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 07:12 AM

”You people have a lot to be proud of over there, you sat on your hands while a bunch of racist moneygrubbers took you out of the EU and wrecked your kid's economic futures. I'll take Joe Biden over BoJo any day.”

A substantial number of us didn’t ‘sit on our hands’ though, Gilly - we supported the Remain Campaign and spoke against that bunch of racist money grabbers’ lies, slogans, and sound-bites. But a very small majority were taken in by the Leave propaganda, and we lost. That’s democracy - very much the same way Agent Orange’s ‘MAGA’ nonsense persuaded the US to elect him.

But I completely agree with your point about Biden v. Johnson - FWIW, I’d take my dog over Johnson.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 07:14 AM

Sorry gillymor but if you can accuse me of assisting in the Brexit debacle then I think it is fair game to blame you for electing the Turnip. I did say earlier that our lot are not much better but at least they can pretend to act with decorum!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 07:15 AM

...well, apart from Cummings and Farage but theu were never elected


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 07:26 AM

I think you can come up with a few more exceptions than that, Dave. My previous post was in response to Steve. I wanted to point out that his high horse is just an anemic little pony. I've been following Joe Biden since he was my Senator in Delaware back in the '80's and I have the utmost respect for him as a politician and a human being.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 07:48 AM

On a more positive note, I dropped off my ballot at the county elector's office yesterday, the morning after the "debate" and had to wait to find a parking space and then stood in line for 5 minutes to get it certified, this more than a month before the election. The chatter was very much anti-trump which is unusual for this very conservative area. We're setting records for early voting in various parts of the country and Biden set a record after the debate, raising more than 10 million. I think we're moving into landslide country but we're going to have to fight to get our votes counted as the asshole has made it clear that he's not going to go quietly.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 08:10 AM

Looking in from the outside, I have to say that your voting system seems a convoluted, disjointed mess.

Here in the U.K., we have two ways to vote - we either go to a polling station on polling day and vote in person using the voting slip handed to us by the supervisor(s), or we elect to have a postal vote whereby we receive a voting slip and two envelopes, which we put in any post-box in time to arrive with the polling authority by the closing date.

Very simple, very effective.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 08:30 AM

You're quite right, BW. Our system for national elections is a dog's breakfast. There are different systems in every state which gives plenty of leeway for partisan interference. We need standardised laws and a stronger enforcement agency than the FEC as it's currently constituted but the guys who make the laws just don't want to give up their edge.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 08:48 AM

I fear for us. I fear particularly for January. And Charlottesville is a symbolic target for the new Nazis so I fear for us locally, nationally, and globally.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 09:05 AM

Trump's been hard at it trying to instill fear in American voters and preemptively delegitamize the outcome of an election that he knows he can't win by fair means. It's given me a lot of anxiety and I've dealt with it by volunteering for the local dems, signing on as a pollwatcher and making more donations to the cause than I can afford. It's gut check time for America, we have to decide if we want to continue as a country or just cravenly submit to becoming a trump-brand property.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 09:09 AM

I decided I'm going to vote in person. The numbers of people with Covid are low here, and the longest I ever waited was for Obama's first election, because a lot of people were just registering. I think it was about 15 minutes. The benefits of living in a small town.
I watched parts of the debate, the turned it off and waited for the re-caps. I wanted to get some sleep that night.

I hope there are plans for what happens AFTER the election.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 09:26 AM

I did not sit on my hands during the brexit campaign, thanks. And I would certainly take Biden over Johnson any day. In other words, I'd even take an insipid, hesitant old man over a fat blond disreputable clown. Your electoral college system is farcically undemocratic, as the last election showed. Clinton won the election easily but you gave us Trump via that system. And almost half of your electorate don't vote. Make the poor queue for hours to vote and they won't even leave home to go to the poll. Low turnouts always favour the party of the rich. You are almost not a democracy at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 11:22 AM

Just google "US polling queues," guys, and, if you don't already know about this (as all responsible yanks should), you'll be gobsmacked. And your electoral college: Florida has 29 electoral seats, the Republicans win in Florida by the skin of their teeth but the whole bloody lot go to Trump. Democracy in inaction and you accuse us Brits of sitting on our hands over brexit. Perhaps you should glance back over the many thousands of brexit posts and the bitter arguments here since 2015. Then reflect on the fact that the two massive threats to democracy in your country I've highlighted in this post hardly get discussed here. Perhaps you think there's nothing you can do about it. So you sit on your hands...?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 11:52 AM

I confess that I find this ‘Electoral College’ thing very confusing. What, exactly, is its purpose? I know its effect (for instance, in 2016, overturning the result produced by the ‘popular vote’), but what is its actual purpose? Why not just go with the Popular Vote result?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 01:08 PM

Let's try to focus on the subject, please.
Trolling/deliberately provoking an emotional reaction will be deleted. Play nice.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Charmion
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 02:02 PM

I have a lot of sympathy for Americans at election time. They have to vote for a hell of a lot of things all at once, while we lucky ducks of the Westminster tradition vote for one thing at a time.

A Canadian or British ballot in a national election is a piece of paper about six inches square, with four to six (or so, depending on how many crank parties are active) candidates’ names on it, family name first in alphabetical order, each with a clearly marked spot into which to put one’s X. Nothing else, and no write-ins. In case one is unclear on the concept of marking the ballot, there’s a handy-dandy graphic on the inside of the screen to show how it’s done.

An American ballot can be enormous, with candidates running for offices ranging from president to dog-catcher, many of them jobs that are done by civil servants in Canada or the UK. If that weren’t confusing enough, the ballot may also include referendum questions that the voter must parse on the spot. In our tradition, referenda and plebiscites are held separately.

And then there’s the whole voting machine thing. In Canada, the closest thing to a voting machine is a pencil on a string.

So, weird as it is, the Electoral College isn’t the wonkiest thing in US politics.

It’s worth noting that the British political system — and, with it, those of the Empire — was substantially over-hauled at least three times between the Great Reform Act of 1832 and the Statute of Westminster of 1931. The American system was based on a much clunkier European model, and has had less revision.

So be kind.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 02:11 PM

This is going to be a fight, probably the most important one of most people's lifetimes. Depending on your state it might be better to vote in person. I dropped off my mail-in ballot because Florida counts ballots when received but some states don't even open mail-ins until election day or evening. The GOP has an army of lawyers to contend mail-in ballots in swing states and we've got to get some in place to counter that. Barton Gellman, interviewed here, describes a nightmarish scenario of what might happen.The Election that Could Break America (he wrote an article with the same title that appeared in The Atlantic). I implore all Americans who are able to contact their local party and find out what you can do to help ensure a fair election. We obviously can't depend on the GOP to act in the interest of democracy, they sure haven't so far.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 03:27 PM

Charmion, one additional weirdity is that states' ways of voting differ. In NH, we get a paper ballot, mark choices with a pen, and shove it into a locked box. The boxes are then transferred to Concord (state capitol) and counted. Other states have machines (NY, where my mother voted does), and possibly different ways of counting paper ballots.
Personally, the reason for the electoral college is toast, and it adds a layer in the process that only serves to complicate things.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 04:39 PM

My understanding if the electoral college is that its original purpose was to give greater weight to some people's votes than others' - and as such ought to have been gotten rid of long ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 04:59 PM

If that’s the case, Mrrzy, you’re absolutely correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 06:59 PM

I copied part of the Wikipedia article
The suitability of the Electoral College system is a matter of ongoing debate. Supporters argue that it is fundamental to American federalism, that increases the political influence of small states by the "plus two" Senate count over the number of state Representatives. The geographic dimension of the Electoral College requires candidates to appeal to voters outside large cities. Parties must form national coalitions with moderating appeals, contributing to stability of the two-party system.[6] Presently, a decisive choice for president is made without the challenges and recounts in every state that would follow a nationwide popular vote.[7]

Critics argue that the Electoral College is less democratic than a national direct popular vote and is subject to manipulation because of faithless electors.[8][9] Opponents argue that the system is antithetical to a democracy that strives for a standard of "one person, one vote" because it can thwart a presidential choice by the voters with a national majority.[10] There can be elections where one candidate wins the popular vote but another wins the electoral vote, as in the 2000 election and 2016 election.[11] Individual citizens in less populated states with 5% of the Electoral College, have proportionately more voting power than those in more populous states,[12] and candidates can win by focusing their resources on just a few “swing states”.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 08:50 PM

Nothing to boast about in the British voting system, where the winning party pretty well never gets anywhere near a majority of the votes, typically around 35% of the total vote, and on occasion fewer votes than the runner up. But it is simpler than the way they do it in the States. Mostly by dispensing with any pretensions to democracy when it comes to most things.

But there are far fewer possibilities for unscrupulous local or national politicians to subvert the process, which is the threat looming over America now. And in a real way, looming over the whole world.

As for Biden, whatever flaws he's got, the crucial point is, he's not Trump. I find it virtually impossible to imagine anyone short of Hitler I wouldn't choose over Trump. Boris Johnson, Margaret Thatcher, Nixon...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 10:28 PM

Both of our countries are pretty bad at voter turn-out, I believe.
I notice that for Brexit, leave won over stay by a little over 1,000 votes, and about 13,000 people didn't vote. I don't know the figures for our 2016 election, and each state was different, but I'd guess we were even worse.

Part of me wishes voting was mandatory. All of me wishes it were easier for everybody


Correction: add a "," and "000".
So it's stay won by 1,000,000, and 13,000,000 didn't vote. (rounded)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 01:41 AM

I think your numbers are off by a factor of a thousand there, Jeri - should be a 1million majority, and 13 million non-voters.

I agree about our system, Kevin - I would prefer a system of PR here myself - but I still believe that the mechanics of voting are simpler in the U.K. than the US, and less open to manipulation. A perfect example of the shit-show of US election malpractice can be seen here...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 03:47 AM

Anyone else think, as I do, that this Covid stunt might be a way of Agent Orange avoiding making a cockwomble of himself on future debates the way he did a few nights ago? Or perhaps even an attempt to get the Election postponed (is that allowed under your Electoral regime?)?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:19 AM

As I understand it'd be possible to delay the election, but that would need both houses of Congress to approve it. And whatever happens this term of presidency ends on January 20.

If Trump were to die before the election date what's the legal position regarding the election?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:36 AM

I suppose this is what they call an "October Surprise".


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 09:19 AM

Backwoodsman, you're right. I mistook a comma for a period. (From here)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:35 AM

Easily done, Jeri!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:52 AM

I just checked with the county board of electors and my vote has been counted. It's sad that that diseased monster has caused so much anxiety amongst the electorate but at least it's got people on their toes.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:58 AM

Copied and pasted from Michael Moore’s FaceBook page because I prefer to protect the identity of the person who shared it...no comment necessary, AFAIC.

”So Now Trump Has Earned Your Trust? A Note of Covid Caution from Michael Moore....

There is one absolute truth about Trump: He is a consistent, absolute, unrelenting, fearless, and professional liar. A serial liar. A factually proven liar. How many lies now has the Washington Post proven in these four years? 25,000? A lie at least twice during every waking hour? Think of all the bad people you’ve known in your life. Even the worst ones you couldn’t say that about.

So why on earth would we believe him today? Has he earned your trust now? No. Yet, we’re decent enough to not want him to be sick, to wish him well, and maybe just this once give him the benefit of the doubt because why would he lie about this?

That’s not the question. The question we — and yes, I mean you, too, the media — the only question we really need to be asking is this: Why would Trump all of a sudden just start telling the truth?

All of you, my friends, have been saying for four years, “Trump’s a liar! Trump is a liar!” Why would you believe him now? He very well may have COVID-19. In fact, let’s assume he does. Of course he has it! Does that make him not Trump? I’m certain Mussolini came down with the flu one time. Pinochet and Franco would catch a cold every now and then. Margaret Thatcher must have had a migraine or two. None of them suddenly became nice or did good things - or started telling the truth - because they got sick. Jesse Helms with a runny nose was still Jesse Helms.

But Trump has a history of lying about his health. His longtime New York doctor, Dr. Bornstein, admitted a few years ago that Trump dictated his perfect “doctor’s letter” during the 2016 campaign. Then there was the White House doctor who said Trump could live “200 years!” What about his lying about that emergency trip to Walter Reed “to complete his physical?” Trump also has a history of lying about his opponents’ health (like when Hillary fell ill at the 9/11 remembrance ceremony, or what he’s now been saying about Biden’s health).

So we must be skeptical. We must always remain skeptical when it comes to Trump. He may have it. But it’s also possible he’s lying. That’s just a fact.

But why would he lie about this? What would he have to gain? I mean, it looks bad that he’s called it a hoax for seven months, and he totally mismanaged the government response — and now he has it? Doesn’t it look terrible that he’s spent months downplaying wearing masks, dismissing social distancing, holding large rallies filled with elderly, at-risk supporters and even killing his own supporters like Herman Cain? And doesn’t this go against his brand of always projecting (and exaggerating) his own strength, his health, his genetics, his virility? Yes. This is all true. He would not want to admit he‘s come down with a hoax.

But — he’s losing the election. And he knows it. It’s not 2016. He was hated in 2016, but he’s hated even more now. Millions of Americans are ON FIRE and on the verge of serving him up a major league ass-whooping and a record landslide defeat.

So he needs - badly - to totally change the conversation about this campaign.

And he just has.

Democrats, liberals, the media and others have always been wrong to simply treat him as a buffoon and a dummy and a jackass. Yes, he is all those things. But he’s also canny. He’s clever. He outfoxed Comey. He outfoxed Mueller. He outfoxed 20 Republicans in the GOP primary and then did the same to the Democrats, winning the White House despite receiving fewer votes than his opponent. He’s an evil genius and I raise the possibility of him lying about having COVID-19 to prepare us and counteract his game. He knows being sick tends to gain one sympathy. He’s not above weaponizing this.

He’s been lying about how soon a vaccine will be ready. What better way to hammer home that lie then by directing a saga in the final weeks before the election that culminates in the release of this “vaccine.”

The NY Times tax story was horrible for him. As was The Atlantic story about him calling American troops losers and suckers. There are a dozen more of these stories coming in October. Just last night, The New Yorker detailed how his campaign finance director (and Don Jr’s girlfriend) was fired from Fox News for....well...behaving like a typical Fox News host by sexually harassing her assistant and forcing Fox to pay a $4 million settlement to that assistant due to her behavior. And also, last night, there was CNN playing an audio recording of Melania talking shit about children separated from their parents at the border — AND talking shit about Christmas. Christmas!

These stories are about to be a daily occurrence. However, they may get less airtime and be less damaging since Trump and FLOTUS are now “sick” and supposed to be in our thoughts and prayers.

But most dangerously, HE MAY USE THIS TO PUSH FOR DELAYING/POSTPONING THE ELECTION. The constitution does not allow for this, but he doesn’t give a f*ck about the constitution. He and his thug Attorney General Barr have no shame and will stop at nothing to stay in power. He may even use this as an excuse for losing.

Then there’s this:

He may use his Covid as a pretext to drop out of the race and move Pence to the top of the ticket. Pence would temporarily become President, and then Pence could pre-emptively pardon Trump for all of his crimes.

Again, though, he may have COVID. He probably does. But never, ever, ever take him at his word and never, ever, ever underestimate his survival skills or the depths of his deception or his evil.

What can YOU do today? Make your plan to vote and stick to it. Question everything. And if you and I are finally convinced he has it, do NOT sit silent as he schemes how to use this illness for his benefit.

Finally, on a personal note: Stay alive Mr. President. Your exit from public life must happen in the right and decent way. You have many years to live. You have a child to raise. Grandchildren who need you. A base that loves you. And the families of nearly the quarter-million dead who might be alive today had you done your job, had you cared, had you not played politics with people's lives. Over 200,000 lost souls — and YOU KNEW! You told Woodward in February it was a plague. 200,000 dead because of decisions you made, because you denigrated science and ignored the doctors.

I’m certain you’re listening to them now.

Covid must not remove you. That’s our job. With a pen and a ballot.”


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 11:47 AM

If the President becomes incapacitated (as in dead), the Vice President assumes his duties. Then. the Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi) gets the job. After that, Chuck Grassley, then Mike Pompeo.

Yay, Google.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 01:33 PM

Not that simple, Jeri!

Details here and here among others.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 02:39 PM

We all know trump is a lying arsehole.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 03:08 PM

At least not wearing a mask was consistent with what we all knew about Trump - that he is a barefaced liar.

I like Michael Moore, but I can't see how there could be any positive outcome for Trump from a faked Covid-19, even with Biden turning down the Trump knocking rhetoric. There will be Trump's true believers who will no doubt see it as a reason to redouble their idolatry, but it makes no difference to their vote. But there'll bet those who were planning to maybe vote for him who are going to be shaken by the sheer arrogance and stupidity made so blatantly clear.

If it did come to switching Pence to the top of the ticket the question would arise those who havealready voted for Trump. How could tgey be counted as going for Pence? There will be many of them for whom loyalty to Trump was a very personal thing, and who would have neverbeen likely to vote for Pence. Shouldn't all early votes forTrumpbe liabletobevoidedif theirman


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 08:06 AM

So trump has covid 19 - our thoughts are with the virus!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 08:32 AM

Pence is pictured mask-less in the front row of that Rose Garden event two Saturday's ago and should have been in quarantine since he learned of the numerous infected attendees . Although he's tested negative since he can still be a carrier yet he's going to participate in the V.P. debate on Wednesday and attend a rally on Thursday. As much as I'd like to see former prosecutor Kamala Harris carve him out a new one on his record as head of the COVID response team, his attendance is completely irresponsible.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 07:12 AM

Last night's VP debate reminded me that flies gravitate to a lying, steaming turd. Pence had no defense for trump's, and his own, abysmal record on the virus, the economy, healthcare and immigration so he spewed lies and misinformation about Biden.
Harris, while evasive at times and perhaps she wasn't as aggressive as she could have been on the pathetic trump/pence virus response and trump's taxes, projected a clear, calm demeanor, the kind you'd hope to see in a U.S. President. She did deliver a hammer blow when she characterized trump's non-response to the virus as the biggest presidential failure in history.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 07:43 AM

and shockingly, but not surprisingly, Pence wouldn't say wether or not he'd support a peaceful transfer of power.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 09:22 AM

I'd forgotten about what was probably the most powerful moment of the evening-

They're coming for you- The Guardian

Note Susan Page, who I admire, trying to cut off Harris while for most of the evening she was letting Pence ramble on past his time limit.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 09:35 AM

One of the analysts on MSNBC said he counted how many times Page tried to stop Pence by saying "Thank you Mr. Pence" or "Thank you vice president" and he just talked over both women, though she tried to stop him more than 100 times. There was a lot of mansplaining going on there - he talked over the top of them because that's what he's learned from Trump. The decibels may have been lower but the lack of answers and the disregard for the process were still there.

No one will change their mind after that debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 09:43 AM

A snap CNN poll has been split by gender.

For men, Harris marginally won by 48% to 46%
For women, Harris dramatically won, by 69% to 30%

Mansplaining is not a good tactic, it seems.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 10:31 AM

I think Ms. Page should have been more forceful, Chris Wallace should have as well at the Prez debate, or at least been given a mute button to use with discretion. My main takeaway from the evening is that Sen. Harris demonstrated to any one that wasn't aware of it that she is ready to step in as President if called upon and that Pence is just a trump toady who will say anything and adopt any position to please his boss, but we already knew that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 01:24 PM

One more long-weekend holiday before the national election,
and where I am staying,
plenty of tourist traffic thanks to the warm pleasant weather.


The Trump people, particularly a group calling themselves
Seniors For Trump!,
have stationed themselves with picket signs and waving flags
on the highway curb where they will be highly visible,
such as, across the street from the MacDonald's branch
by the exit ramp from the Mass Turnpike (I-20).
One of the flags is the Don't Tread On Me rattlesnake flag.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 02:48 PM

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 20 - 03:57 PM

Trump nonsense plays out in the mask-wearing world. I had to get some dogfood today and Tractor Supply on the weekend is nothing like during the week. While I was there three men walked in, not even pretending to wear masks, straight into the store, and one of the clerks left his mask way down below his nose. I told the clerk who served me I'd be ordering mail order from now on. I wish this food was sold elsewhere, I'd try my luck with a different store.


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