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BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7

Steve Shaw 25 Nov 20 - 12:20 PM
Nigel Parsons 25 Nov 20 - 11:24 AM
gillymor 25 Nov 20 - 07:17 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Nov 20 - 08:42 PM
Donuel 24 Nov 20 - 06:51 PM
punkfolkrocker 24 Nov 20 - 02:53 PM
Helen 24 Nov 20 - 02:37 PM
Stilly River Sage 24 Nov 20 - 02:08 PM
punkfolkrocker 24 Nov 20 - 01:02 PM
Stilly River Sage 24 Nov 20 - 12:53 PM
punkfolkrocker 24 Nov 20 - 12:52 PM
Nigel Parsons 24 Nov 20 - 12:26 PM
Mrrzy 24 Nov 20 - 10:53 AM
Mr Red 24 Nov 20 - 10:08 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 Nov 20 - 08:16 AM
Backwoodsman 24 Nov 20 - 07:22 AM
Nigel Parsons 24 Nov 20 - 07:15 AM
gillymor 24 Nov 20 - 05:13 AM
BobL 24 Nov 20 - 03:45 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 Nov 20 - 03:05 AM
punkfolkrocker 23 Nov 20 - 10:13 AM
Donuel 23 Nov 20 - 10:01 AM
Helen 20 Nov 20 - 10:36 PM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Nov 20 - 07:25 PM
Donuel 20 Nov 20 - 07:19 PM
Helen 20 Nov 20 - 06:32 PM
Donuel 20 Nov 20 - 05:30 PM
Helen 20 Nov 20 - 03:53 PM
gillymor 20 Nov 20 - 03:42 PM
punkfolkrocker 20 Nov 20 - 02:26 PM
Helen 20 Nov 20 - 01:59 PM
SPB-Cooperator 20 Nov 20 - 08:18 AM
Donuel 20 Nov 20 - 08:13 AM
Backwoodsman 20 Nov 20 - 07:42 AM
gillymor 20 Nov 20 - 06:07 AM
Backwoodsman 20 Nov 20 - 05:41 AM
gillymor 20 Nov 20 - 05:35 AM
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Mrrzy 19 Nov 20 - 09:43 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Nov 20 - 03:32 AM
Donuel 18 Nov 20 - 07:01 PM
Bill D 18 Nov 20 - 05:46 PM
Donuel 18 Nov 20 - 04:50 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Nov 20 - 02:48 PM
Donuel 18 Nov 20 - 10:34 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 12:20 PM

It relates to Helen's post. Trade unionism is multinational. Stop stirring it, Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 11:24 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 08:42 PM

The emasculation of trade unions over the last three decades in this country has been nothing short of criminal.


Should this be in the UK politics thread? It doesn't appear to be a rant about US politics.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 07:17 AM

Lil' Marco is once again trying to become lil' Trump:

Huffpost

Those are some big spanks to fill, you'd think he would have learned his lesson after the "small hands" thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 08:42 PM

The emasculation of trade unions over the last three decades in this country has been nothing short of criminal. The upshot is that bosses can sack you on a whim, can give you a short-term contract with no protections whatsoever, can hire you then ring you up first thing to tell you there's no work today, see ya tomorrow, can tell you that you have to pay your own own national insurance and, don't make me laugh, sick pay and holiday pay my arse...

The ugliest euphemism ever coined is that we now have "a flexible jobs market."   That's weasel-speak for we'll sack you whenever we like, we'll take you on but we might not pay you today, you can have three months in work but you'll have to bugger off once we don't need you to clean the caravans until next spring...

And the people who suffer under this quasi-fascist regime are suffering three times worse because of the virus. The ones who didn't suffer still aren't suffering. What a wonderful world...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 06:51 PM

Larry Dav... I mean Bernie Sanders maybe Sec. of Labor.

Helen
Do you guys ever eat Marin? - We don't have those huge crawfish here.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 02:53 PM

Healthy union and boss relations
should work positively for the mutual benefit of both..

Bosses should value Unions as key allies and business assets..

should......

.. oh sorry.. must have been day dreaming...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 02:37 PM

Wow! What a list! I hope he can make significant headway. He has a high mountain to climb just to try to restore balance and normality after these crazy times.

Joe Biden's first 100 days as US president — this is what he promises to do

As an ex-union member and delegate - now retired - this paragraph is good news:

"The president-elect is big on unions as well — he says he'll deliver a plan to "dramatically increase union density and address economic inequality" in his first 100 days."

For me, unions work towards giving workers a voice and support instead of business owners and managers getting all the power. It helps to equalise some of that power and provide some balance through two-way communication. Yes, it can be confrontational, but it doesn't have to be. The unions I belonged to worked with the people in charge and helped to achieve some very good outcomes for both the organisation and the people working and managing there. IMHO


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 02:08 PM

Ah - I didn't scroll way back. That's the only way to discuss the matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 01:02 PM

We are still discussing extreme options for trump's removal,
but tactfully in metaphor and allegory...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 12:53 PM

Silly me, thinking this thread would be discussing the Biden election win and here you are talking about Napoleon and lead poisoning.

Back to the subject at hand, https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/11/24/938344591/facing-pressure-trump-relents-on-starting-transition

President Trump is still not conceding that he lost the election, but he's getting closer.

Trump on Monday tweeted that he had directed the General Services Administration to begin the process of transferring the government to President-elect Joe Biden.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 12:52 PM

He definitely died of something....

errrmmm.. lead poisoning.. is there still much lead in bullets...???


Dictators tend not to have 'happy endings'..

[and we are not talking about visits from escorts and porn actresses...]


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 12:26 PM

Neither of those, according to National Geograhic.

Actually, the National Geographic appears to confirm that he was suffering from Arsenic poisoning. I carefully didn't posit it as the cause of his death. (See the Lord Peter Wimsey story "Strong Poison").


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 10:53 AM

Ooh it's a music thread now.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 10:08 AM

Fifty Ways to Leave the White House - (parody)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 08:16 AM

Yea, I got my wires crossed :-( Mea Culpa. I remembered hearing the arsenic may have been due to high levels in Wallpaper

I misremembered it as being lead in paint!

Still, seeing as both were likely to be wrong I guess it doesn't matter :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 07:22 AM

Neither of those, according to National Geograhic.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 07:15 AM

Napoleon was poisoned with lead too. May be too good for the Turnip. I'd heard he (Napoleon) suffered from Arsenic poisoning (probably not fatally). But this is the first I've heard of suggestions of lead poisoning.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 05:13 AM

Trump has magnanimously allowed the transition to proceed without conceding defeat. Look for some of those spineless GOP senators who have remained silent thus far to finally speak up and praise him for acting in the best interests of the country. January 20 can't come too soon,


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: BobL
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 03:45 AM

Insanity is hereditary - you get it from your kids.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 03:05 AM

Napoleon was poisoned with lead too. May be too good for the Turnip.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Nov 20 - 10:13 AM

Napoleon was ultimately exiled to a tiny remote island with no internet connection,

[don't know if it had a golf course...???]..

.. just saying...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Nov 20 - 10:01 AM

UNWELL? How about insane?

It does not feel like a world of right or wrong anymore.
It feels like SANE or INSANE.

Perhaps it has always been the case but its more obvious to me now.
I have always supported helping people regain their sanity...
But where and how do we profit to help Trump to regain a sanity he has never had? Sometimes there is no cure. I only know that truth and its delivery system humor, is an effective vaccine to stem the infection of insanity.

It is my belief more insanity is learned than are born with it.
Insanity itself is a pandemic. I repeat
Insanity itself has its own pandemic today.
Socially distancing ourselves from insanity has always been done.
When the insane gather on social media, infection spreads uncontrolably. Its spreads even faster when the incompetant are paid money or salaries to repeat insanity.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 10:36 PM

I just saw on the news that Donald Jr has also tested positive for COVID.

McGrath of Harlow, I have been thinking along the same lines.

The only blessing is that someone, a mysterious angel, is preventing Trump from going near a microphone as much as possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 07:25 PM

Giuliani pretty clearly was unwell during that PR session.

I'd be inclined to say the same about Trump right now. Whether it's a lingering consequence of Covid, an effect of steroids and other drugs, or a meltdown induced by his being a loser, he's in a self-destructive downward spiral. The trouble is, he seems to be taking tens of millions of others with him.

It'll make a gripping series on Netflix. Or maybe the Disney Streaming Channel.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 07:19 PM

Trump is sullen and depressed for losing, which opens him up to prosecution despite any pardon he may try to confer upon himself.
But more than that he is facing the fact he will never become a multi billionaire. While it may never become public, there is circumstantial evidence that Trump could have been a 20% owner of Russian state oil profits in exchange for removing sanctions against Russia and allowing Pompeo to have Exxon explore and drill for oil in Russia. Do you remember Pompeo's previous job?
I am sure Trump thought he had 4 more years to make his priority of becoming truly one of the big boys and reintroduce his push to remove santions against Russia which was defeated last time around.

I could be wrong but I would not be surprised if I were right.
I am sure the Cheeto holds money above family, country and legacy.
Putin will have to cultivate a new useful idiot and stooge.
Don Jr. in 24?    Naw
W Bush has made people leary of sons of previous 1 term presidents.
Tucker Carlson?   meh
The real John Q-Anon? ugh
Mitch? maybe -   with chin implants and stopping the botox shots he could be ressurected as the bold new recipe for the GOP
With enough plastic surgury he can be rebuilt, we have the technology.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 06:32 PM

Rudy's son Andrew has tested positive for COVID 19. Is that why Rudy was sweating so heavily? He probably didn't socially distance from his son who was present at the press conference.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 05:30 PM

pfr was right.
Rudy was notified about 7 million Trump votes found in a
putin print shop in St Petersburg Russia. Rudy is having a hard time explaining how they got there.
Shame on us for making fun of folks with dementia.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 03:53 PM

I thought the funniest bit was that Rudy kept on wiping his face and totally missing the black ooze on either side.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 03:42 PM

I did hear him described as a Grampire.

It could have just been a failed attempt at Rudolf Valentino sideburns.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 02:26 PM

It was pure darkest evil oozing out of his head..

They shouldn't spend too long out in daylight
in their thin fragile human disguise masks...


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Helen
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 01:59 PM

gillymor, one of the Oz TV presenters said that Rudy was having a "bad hair dye".

SPB-Cooperator, finally a logical explanation for all that $hit coming out of the White House!


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 08:18 AM

There's a fourth horcrux - his gold plated personal cesspit access seat. - Which I understand also uses voice recognition direct form trump's a*** to his twitter account.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national erection USA - BIDEN wins
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 08:13 AM

Biden may have won but he still has to find and destroy 3 more Trump horcruxes.
1. His bathroom filthy, food sticky, tweet venom Cell Phone
2. A thong of Ivanka
3. As yet unknown.
-Good Luck Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 07:42 AM

LOL! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 06:07 AM

Couldn't say, BW but at least they found a venue with no porn shops in sight for the head of the "Elite Strike Force".


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 05:41 AM

Gilly, was it hair dye, or was his embalming fluid leaking? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Nov 20 - 05:35 AM

Say what you will about Rudy's ineptitude as a lawyer and his moral bankruptcy in his attempt to thwart the will of American voters but at yesterday's presser it was apparent that he would dye for his client. I suppose the Donald will pull the plug on the old clown once again.

youtube.com


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 09:50 PM

It's been worked out that splitting the distribution of electors the way Maine and Nebraska do would still have given Bush his victory in 2000.

But the compact to throw all a states electors to the winner of the national popular vote already is approved for states with 200 of the 270 electors needed to come into effect. It could well be sorted by the next election.

As for England and what would be left of the UK I can only see genuine reform coming in the wake of Scottish independence. So maybe not that far off.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 12:21 PM

Ranked voting (who are your first, second, and third choices) works and is used in a few places.

Those GOP Wayne County election officials refused to certify the votes then a compromise was agreed that the state auditor would examine any discrepancy (always the result of human error in these situations, not of major fraud). And then they said they wanted to rescind that vote. Apparently Trump has been on the phone to the woman GOP canvasser.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 09:43 AM

We have a serious problem.

I am personally kinda hoping he has to be removed by the Secret Service. Straightjacket optional.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Nov 20 - 03:32 AM

On BBC newsnight they were interviewing some of the rabid Turnip supporters including that mad woman who is standing for office in Georgia. If only a fraction of the other 70+ million who voted for him are as bad then, USA, you have a serious problem. :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 07:01 PM

That sounds as crazy as passing 'A Mulligan Law'.
I'll have to look into that Bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 05:46 PM

I believe several states have passed bills to either change how electors are chosen or to have voting be on a ranked system, where you pick 1st, 2nd & 3rd choices which means 'the points system'.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 04:50 PM

Inside imagined courtrooms in all the battleground states ---
...No your honor, we have pro zero coefficients, derivitives and applications regarding evidence of voter fraud.
What the heck does that mean?
It means your honor while we have no evidence of voter frauds we are expanding our criminal investigations to include voter squads, voter pods, voter bods, voter mods, voter sods, voter wads, voter cods and voter gods..,
What is your purpose?
We would like the court to indulge our waste of time to make our boss think we are doing something real.

MOTION DENIED.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 02:48 PM

Trump is busy breaking the government as fast as he can before he has to leave the White House. Everyone is counting the days. And wondering if he'll pardon himself or if he'll step down early and have Pence pardon him. (Once he's out Pence wouldn't have to and wouldn't that be a rude surprise!)


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 10:34 AM

Thats a good prediction of unfortunate likelyhood.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 09:34 AM

I suspect that inertia will prevent electoral college reform, just as reform of the Commons here has long been sidelined. The electoral college seems to favour the Republican party, as we've seen several times, egregiously in 2016. The current system here of 650 MPs in uneven-sized constituencies tends to favour Labour, or at least has done in the past. Mutterings about changing it to something ostensibly fairer get muted whenever the Tories get in anyway, which is most of the time. A big deal this end would be constituency boundary changes. In my neck of the woods there has been much outrage generated in both Cornwall and England about the suggested formation of a constituency that would go across the county border in order to even up numbers of electors. Devonwall is a very dirty word in these parts!

Maybe it wouldn't be half so bad in the US if it wasn't winner-takes-all in each state. The last couple of times in Florida, for example, seats-to-votes would have been 15-14 to the Republicans both times. But, both times, they took the whole 29 instead. Of course, it could work the other way in other states. I'll leave you yanks to get your heads round the statistics of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 20 - 07:37 AM

What's the general feeling over there? Will the turnip get away with it or will he be carted out of the white house in a straight jacket?


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 20 - 12:49 AM

It would also mean that candidates could visit more than just the battleground states. There are lots of reasons to get rid of the electoral college - maybe the GOP will go along with the attempt this time (even though they lost both the electoral and the popular vote in the presidential race). It doesn't make a difference to down-ballot races.


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Subject: RE: BS: 2020 national election, USA - BIDEN wins Nov 7
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Nov 20 - 09:48 PM

As for the scandal of the electoral college bring victory to candidates with fewer votes, as in 2000 and 2016, there could be an effective reform on the way.

I refer to the national popular vote interstate compact

It's an agreement that the states concerned commit themselves to throwing all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate gets the majority of popular votes nationally - but that only comes into force once enough states have signed up to ensure 270 votes.   And at present enough states have signed up to bring that into reach (mostly states which tend to vote Democrat, but not all.)

If all the states that voted for Biden this time were signed up to the compact, they'd have reached that 270. It wouldn't make any difference what any states that hadn't signed up did, the person who won most votes would still be president every time.

Of course it would tend to make the TV coverage of election night a lot less entertaining, but also rather less painful.


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