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BS: US war with Iran begins

Donuel 09 Jan 20 - 01:27 PM
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Mrrzy 09 Jan 20 - 12:30 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 01:27 PM

Pence says we have to classify top secret to protect our sources and methods. psst shhh... the source is Donald Trump and the method is pulling it out of his ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 01:18 PM

Not me Don. The news seems to have come from your Orange Baboon in DC.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 12:43 PM

Who thought a backwoodsman would scoop mudcat and the world?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 12:30 PM

Well, expletive.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 12:28 PM

Vilhemy Fugidupski, Qaddidi Hammamimia or Dick Armstrong are the usual suspects.

The US, Boeing and Europe are denied any access to investigation.
Ukraine says it will share black box info, if it is not damaged, with Canada and the world. Iran is not saying much.

We all suspect an Iranian with a Russian weapon had an itchy trigger finger. But you know how republicans are saying Pelosi protects terrorists and Democrats are in love with terrorists, so we can not prove it was not a Democrat. If we send in Gulliani we will be sure to get proof Biden did it.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 11:51 AM

Mrrzy, just announced on BBC News that the plane was brought down by two missiles. Didnít catch the whole report, so canít give any further detail.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 10:14 AM

ĒAnybody else reading......that the Urkanian plane was brought down by a missile?Ē

Only by way of conjecture, nothing factual.
Publishers gotta sell their media....


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 10:03 AM

That is odd, Donuel.

Anybody else reading, here and there (mostly there) [see, now it's a music thread], that the Urkanian plane was brought down by a missile?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 11:53 PM

From Politico:

How Trump decided to kill Iranís Soleimani The U.S. strike against Tehranís fea


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:46 PM

All the insight, 20/20 foresight and prophetic chess like knowledge amount to playing catch up to a single act by a megalomaniac.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:34 PM

Thank you Don'l. And thanks for this prescient thread. I will hold off on my usual trope, which is the 'futility of insight'!


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:04 PM

Distraction while maintaining fear/hate is an astute observation robo.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:18 PM

Considering the non-lethal result of the Iranian ballistic missile bombardment and the current (as of this hour) American 'standown' from military escalation, and the recent major public demonstrations in Iran against the terrorist behavior of their own government on its own citizens, it seems like the recent events might constitute a double down on "Wag the Dog" tactics in that they provide major distraction for the masses in both countries and a lot of the witnessing countries from the real misrule of both governmental bodies of this conflict.

Am still awaiting the fallout (no pun intended) from the Boeing 737 crash to see if this complicates matters.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 05:52 PM

Last night on the PBS network the Newshour had an interesting segment with two foreign policy experts with backgrounds in the W.Bush and Obama administrations. Their attitudes differed sharply so I thought it was a very good review of the situation:

Mara Karlin and Michael Doran talk over Iran Strategy

Mara Karlin was doubtful, questioning; Michael Doran was aggressive, justifying. Made for good TV.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:09 AM

Vlad the lad and his Chinese counterpart have been unseasonably close lipped over the entire affair.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:40 AM

Mrrzy, the odd thing about yesterday was the nature of the announcment to send everyone home.
It was a succint "Everyone is to be out of the building by 1PM"
Never before (25 years) has there been such an announcement.
It is a standard "Due to inclement weather early closure will begin. Managers will inform staff to blah blah blah..."

Perhaps there was a substitute in charge but I was not being alarmist, it really was suspicious.

As for slowing down tensions, I suspect Donald deferred to Vladamir.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:33 AM

So Johnson condemns limited attacks on US bases, no casualties, where there shouldn't be any US bases, yet fails to utter a word about the cold-blooded, Trump-ordered assassination of an Iranian general. Kind of sums up what's wrong in the Middle East...


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:13 AM

It is Good News
Escalation
has been defused.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 05:57 AM

A questionable source but raises some interesting perspectives, if true.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/rent-a-mobs-will-not-ease-khameinis-grim-future_3196491.html


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 07:03 PM

Missiles fired fom Iran into US base in Iraq. 'Operation martyr Solenami'
meh


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:40 PM

As Iains said we must avenge the hostages that were released 10 Presidential terms ago.

While were at it lets target Boris Johnson for the 1812 war.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:24 PM

Being who you are, do you not think the drone snuffing of Pelosi and Schiff for sedition in a time of war is justified, legal and will save lives according to Steve Miller?

Your question is loaded and is better suited to be answered by the General who posed the option among many for Trump to choose from.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:15 PM

Donuel. Do you not think the hostage taking in the US embassy in Iran and the recent attack on the US Bagdad Embassy might not have determined the level of response? This may well have created a line in the sand, requiring a short sharp shock.
You can argue the legitimacy of the response for ever but Pelosi being divisive sends entirely the wrong message to Iran. The provocations and response should not be a Democratic Republican football, especially with an election drawing ever closer. The deplorables do not welcome this sort of behaviour,as will be seen come election time.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:14 PM

Thats a theory since the roads are only wet here.
To the west at higher elevation it may freeze tonight.
The security traffic tie ups are probably another factor.
I bet you got 2 inches?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:26 PM

Um, snow, Donuel.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:13 PM

We NEED a song to rally around the flag and praise our leader.

Bush's Iraq war had the song 'Stand Up'.
I propose the song 'LIE DOWN' for the Iran WAR.

Courage duty honor-spoken

We call upon our soldiers in this their proudest hour
Our way of life is what we're fighting for
The flag that flies above us, forever may it wave
It inspires us to do our best each day

Its a good day to die when you know the reason why
As citizens we fight for what is right
A noble sacrifice when duty calls we'll pay the price
For Donald Trump I will give my LIFE

(chorus)

All is fair in sex and war is what our Donald said
You're not not alive until you're almost dead
These are the words I live by courage duty honor
The Democrats are ass holes and fully full of dread

Its a good day to die when you know the reason why
As citizens we fight for what is right
A noble sacrifice when duty calls we'll pay the price
For Donald Trump I will give my LIFE

(chorus)
So Lie Down America
in your blood and soil
where Jews will not replace us
God bless our sweat and toil


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 04:25 PM

Today the Federal goverment shut down at 1 PM and sent everyone home.

There are only theories as to why.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 03:46 PM

Masih Alinejad is an Iranian journalist, author and womenís rights campaigner. She hosts the Tablet talk show on Voice of Americaís Persian service.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 02:34 PM

Interesting article by surviving Iranian hostages. Hope no firewall.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/us/iran-hostages.html


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 01:09 PM

Another Washington Post columnist has an overarching view of the assassination and the repercussions: an interview on WNYC's The Takeaway

While Democratic and Republican leaders in Congress seem as divided as ever, the media portrayal of Iran shows the country united behind its government. But just how accurate is that viewpoint?

Journalist Jason Rezaian spent 544 days as a hostage of the IRGC, and today is weighing in on what that experience taught him about Iranís leadership, and how the country could react to the killing of Major General Qassim Soleimani. He is also calling for a focus on how what comes next could affect everyday Iranians, who are desperate to avoid war.

Click on the 'Listen' button above to hear this segment. Don't have time to listen right now? Subscribe for free to our podcast via iTunes, TuneIn, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts to take this segment with you on the go.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: bobad
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:44 AM

"Donít believe Iranian propaganda about the mourning for Soleimani"

Masih Alinejad


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 09:21 AM

Reknown war monger with Iran, fired National Security advisor John Bolton is now in a position to take down Donald Trump with his Impeachment testimony.

The irony keeps rolling along.

Trumpirony - new 2020 word


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:46 AM

An urge for vengence is not vengence on a personal level but I can see the point how a crowd mentality can exaccerbate vengence.



An unsigned letter from the Pentagon that was full of typos was sent to the Iraq goverment saying we are removing all our 5,200 troops from their country and had several confusing contradictions. Today the Pentagon says it was a clerical mistake.

they need Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:21 AM

Bullshit, Mr. Red. We all remained pacifists after our brother/father/ husband/uncle was killed. We being my large extended family. If you turn to violence for revenge, you weren't a pacifist, you were peaceful.

And Bobad, thanks again for remembering daddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:12 AM

Hopefully, Trumpelthinskin.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:02 AM

You are a Good editor Nigel. I knew what I meant but your version is funnier.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:45 AM

The comedian Lopez made a joke about an 80 million dollar bounty on Trump yesterday and the twittersphere is calling for his arrest by Secret Service. Arrest of Lopez? or Trump?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:39 AM

You are entitled to disagree with my generalized polemic. I too have reservations with the 'truism'.
Like,
The first casualty of war is not the truth but the comedians.
But in fact...
The comedian Lopez made a joke about an 80 million dollar bounty on Trump yesterday and the twittersphere is calling for his arrest by Secret Service.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 04:07 AM

We are all pacifists until someone kills our brother. Then the remaining pacifists are cannon fodder.

It is the way the world works. For religious zealots read greed. For warmongers, read power crazed aka greed. Not what we wish, but wishes don't stop bullets.

War is not pretty. But then as we are finding-out, neither is a burgeoning population dumping waste gasses into the atmosphere. Population is relevant - there is increasingly less territory and more neighbours to steal it from.

I don't suggest solutions, but like the "Great Stink" that got up the noses of politicians moving them to act on the pollution in the Thames............ Things have to get so worse before politicians act. Like I said "when someone kills your brother........."

Sorry Donuel I disagree with Intelligence and evil are actually mutually exclusive. Intelligence may figure much less, but can evade notice &/or capture. It can survive to reek much more havoc.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 09:28 PM

DC was delayed by nearly an hour today since every military related site was on lock down with only half the entrances and egress open.
Backups were prolific and effected most commutes.
Airports are still the soft targets but have AR's displayed like in Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 09:10 PM

Evil men do not have to be master minds. Intelligence and evil are actually mutually exclusive. The skill sets of evil men are not genius, they are merely effective fear and distraction. Mr. Friedman you are becoming captain obvious in your old age.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mossback
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 06:39 PM

Now here's something else that belongs in two threads: Who is the bigger lying sack of shit and threat to democratic government world-wide: Trump or Johnson??


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 06:00 PM

Gosh, this belongs in two threads, so I might put it in both. This attack in Iran has potentially nobbled the UK's pledge to "take back control." Trump has form. You can bet your life that the UK getting onside with the US over Iran will be an absolute condition of our getting a trade deal. We will go cap in hand to Trump. Hey, brexiteers, did you see that on your ballot paper? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 04:59 PM

An interesting and informative take on Suleimani from Thomas Friedman in the New York Times. Opening paragraph:

"One day they may name a street after President Trump in Tehran. Why? Because Trump just ordered the assassination of possibly the dumbest man in Iran and the most overrated strategist in the Middle East: Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani."

NYT Article


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 03:19 PM

The leftwaffe has spoken!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 02:05 PM

Not just me who makes the accusation - there are millions of people all over the world making it

Let me guess, Corbyn's supporters......right?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 01:55 PM

Some things never change


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 01:54 PM

Not just me who makes the accusation - there are millions of people all over the world making it, based on the wealth of overwhelming, indisputable evidence. As you seem unable to see the wealth of overwhelming, indisputable evidence, I can only assume your blindness and deafness is the result of your entire head being implanted in your anal cavity.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 01:52 PM

Then stop digging.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jan 20 - 01:44 PM

Backwoods man, I would approve of administrating a hearty spanking to any fool who makes such idiotic accusations.


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