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BS: US war with Iran begins

Donuel 07 Jan 20 - 04:25 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 04:25 PM

Today the Federal goverment shut down at 1 PM and sent everyone home.

There are only theories as to why.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:13 PM

We NEED a song to rally around the flag and praise our leader.

Bush's Iraq war had the song 'Stand Up'.
I propose the song 'LIE DOWN' for the Iran WAR.

Courage duty honor-spoken

We call upon our soldiers in this their proudest hour
Our way of life is what we're fighting for
The flag that flies above us, forever may it wave
It inspires us to do our best each day

Its a good day to die when you know the reason why
As citizens we fight for what is right
A noble sacrifice when duty calls we'll pay the price
For Donald Trump I will give my LIFE

(chorus)

All is fair in sex and war is what our Donald said
You're not not alive until you're almost dead
These are the words I live by courage duty honor
The Democrats are ass holes and fully full of dread

Its a good day to die when you know the reason why
As citizens we fight for what is right
A noble sacrifice when duty calls we'll pay the price
For Donald Trump I will give my LIFE

(chorus)
So Lie Down America
in your blood and soil
where Jews will not replace us
God bless our sweat and toil


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 05:26 PM

Um, snow, Donuel.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:14 PM

Thats a theory since the roads are only wet here.
To the west at higher elevation it may freeze tonight.
The security traffic tie ups are probably another factor.
I bet you got 2 inches?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:15 PM

Donuel. Do you not think the hostage taking in the US embassy in Iran and the recent attack on the US Bagdad Embassy might not have determined the level of response? This may well have created a line in the sand, requiring a short sharp shock.
You can argue the legitimacy of the response for ever but Pelosi being divisive sends entirely the wrong message to Iran. The provocations and response should not be a Democratic Republican football, especially with an election drawing ever closer. The deplorables do not welcome this sort of behaviour,as will be seen come election time.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:24 PM

Being who you are, do you not think the drone snuffing of Pelosi and Schiff for sedition in a time of war is justified, legal and will save lives according to Steve Miller?

Your question is loaded and is better suited to be answered by the General who posed the option among many for Trump to choose from.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 06:40 PM

As Iains said we must avenge the hostages that were released 10 Presidential terms ago.

While were at it lets target Boris Johnson for the 1812 war.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 20 - 07:03 PM

Missiles fired fom Iran into US base in Iraq. 'Operation martyr Solenami'
meh


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 05:57 AM

A questionable source but raises some interesting perspectives, if true.


https://www.theepochtimes.com/rent-a-mobs-will-not-ease-khameinis-grim-future_3196491.html


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:13 AM

It is Good News
Escalation
has been defused.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:33 AM

So Johnson condemns limited attacks on US bases, no casualties, where there shouldn't be any US bases, yet fails to utter a word about the cold-blooded, Trump-ordered assassination of an Iranian general. Kind of sums up what's wrong in the Middle East...


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:40 AM

Mrrzy, the odd thing about yesterday was the nature of the announcment to send everyone home.
It was a succint "Everyone is to be out of the building by 1PM"
Never before (25 years) has there been such an announcement.
It is a standard "Due to inclement weather early closure will begin. Managers will inform staff to blah blah blah..."

Perhaps there was a substitute in charge but I was not being alarmist, it really was suspicious.

As for slowing down tensions, I suspect Donald deferred to Vladamir.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:09 AM

Vlad the lad and his Chinese counterpart have been unseasonably close lipped over the entire affair.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 05:52 PM

Last night on the PBS network the Newshour had an interesting segment with two foreign policy experts with backgrounds in the W.Bush and Obama administrations. Their attitudes differed sharply so I thought it was a very good review of the situation:

Mara Karlin and Michael Doran talk over Iran Strategy

Mara Karlin was doubtful, questioning; Michael Doran was aggressive, justifying. Made for good TV.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:18 PM

Considering the non-lethal result of the Iranian ballistic missile bombardment and the current (as of this hour) American 'standown' from military escalation, and the recent major public demonstrations in Iran against the terrorist behavior of their own government on its own citizens, it seems like the recent events might constitute a double down on "Wag the Dog" tactics in that they provide major distraction for the masses in both countries and a lot of the witnessing countries from the real misrule of both governmental bodies of this conflict.

Am still awaiting the fallout (no pun intended) from the Boeing 737 crash to see if this complicates matters.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:04 PM

Distraction while maintaining fear/hate is an astute observation robo.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:34 PM

Thank you Don'l. And thanks for this prescient thread. I will hold off on my usual trope, which is the 'futility of insight'!


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:46 PM

All the insight, 20/20 foresight and prophetic chess like knowledge amount to playing catch up to a single act by a megalomaniac.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 11:53 PM

From Politico:

How Trump decided to kill Iranís Soleimani The U.S. strike against Tehranís fea


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 10:03 AM

That is odd, Donuel.

Anybody else reading, here and there (mostly there) [see, now it's a music thread], that the Urkanian plane was brought down by a missile?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 10:14 AM

ĒAnybody else reading......that the Urkanian plane was brought down by a missile?Ē

Only by way of conjecture, nothing factual.
Publishers gotta sell their media....


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 11:51 AM

Mrrzy, just announced on BBC News that the plane was brought down by two missiles. Didnít catch the whole report, so canít give any further detail.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 12:28 PM

Vilhemy Fugidupski, Qaddidi Hammamimia or Dick Armstrong are the usual suspects.

The US, Boeing and Europe are denied any access to investigation.
Ukraine says it will share black box info, if it is not damaged, with Canada and the world. Iran is not saying much.

We all suspect an Iranian with a Russian weapon had an itchy trigger finger. But you know how republicans are saying Pelosi protects terrorists and Democrats are in love with terrorists, so we can not prove it was not a Democrat. If we send in Gulliani we will be sure to get proof Biden did it.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 12:30 PM

Well, expletive.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 12:43 PM

Who thought a backwoodsman would scoop mudcat and the world?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 01:18 PM

Not me Don. The news seems to have come from your Orange Baboon in DC.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 01:27 PM

Pence says we have to classify top secret to protect our sources and methods. psst shhh... the source is Donald Trump and the method is pulling it out of his ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 01:40 PM

RT reports the plane was returning to the airport when it crashed. Radar traces would confirm deny this speculation. If true, this would make the missile scenario unlikely. It could also have been a trigger happy missile crew on the ground.
In war the first casualty is truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 02:48 PM

A Canadian press release confirms it was an Iranian missile attack


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 03:11 PM

and Iran buys the launcher and GA missiles from RUSSIA.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 03:51 PM

I have not found this on bbc but the newly-bearded Trudeau claims there are data. I find him believable, usually.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 04:06 PM

The BBC Report I referred to was on the BBC News TV channel this afternoon. I donít know if you can receive it in the US?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 04:10 PM

Currently available on the BBC News app, but I donít know how to link to it here.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 05:47 PM

Its real


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 06:35 PM

I guess it will complicate things with Ukraine (newish Boeing and high time highly trained crew), and Canada, and any Iranian citizens who learn the truth, but it's no skin off of the U.S. It's a horrible thing to happen to civilians traveling in a dicey arena. I suspect that an effort will be made to characterize airspace in a way that will sensitize warring parties in the near future. It should be doable with current technology and with the U.N. maybe taking a role in coordination. Or the Int'l Airlline Pilots Assoc.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 06:52 PM

It sounds like a horrible accident. Iran, please admit it. Trump has been restrained. It's the first decent thing he's done in the whole of his bloody life.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 06:57 PM

Iran has officially invited Boeing to investigate.

Today Trump had intense blue circles under his eyes that cosmetics could not mask. Fatigue, health consequences, I dunno.
We all know Mr. Cheetoe does not drink but I would not rule out drug use.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 09:36 PM

Now the NTSB and Sweden are invited to investigate by the Irainian civil aviation director. Iran is taking the high road while Russia, who downed KH17 in Ukrain, never did.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 06:42 AM

What are we going to do with all these democrats who are in love with terrorists? Obama drone snuffed a US citizen in Africa for fometing terrorism, why can't our leader drone target Pelosi?
We criminalized the Communist party. Its time to criminalize the Democrat party and have a night of the long knives for America to be free of crazy insane demented demoncrats. Do your part and go to www.feurher.com for your assignment.

"Um Senator, I think we are getting ahead of the plan"
Senator Collins


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 04:21 PM

Yeah, I was thinking about that. It would have been a strong Republican argument to remind us all that Obama used drone strikes a lot. If that argument got made I didn't notice. Either the counter argument that Solemeini was a much higher profile target was taken into consideration, or the Republicans did not want to remind the American public that Democrats are quite capable killers as well.

I agree with Shaw that Trump has done well for himself to the current point, in showing restraint. The restraint has been in not reacting militarily to the Iran rocket attack. Also in being a tad less bellicose than normal.

On the other hand, Canada and Ukraine may have some ideas that without the initial killing of the Iranian, there might have been no back and forth volley, and 170 plus civilians might still be alive today.

There was an episode either last year or the year before where the Israelis raided Syrian positions (probably Iranian backed targets) via fighters, got them out of the airspace, but a Syrian missile took out a Russian plane in response. I think Israel actually apologized to Russia over that.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 04:59 PM

Obama said he told his daughter's prom date about his drone termination powers. }:^/

Trump forgot he wasn't on 5th Avenue. Thats why he is trying to trump up self defense by saying "Americans were under 'enema' attack".

There is no proof that 'General Salami me' was leading an imminent attack. But then again thats how proxy terrorism works.

Trump probably was dressed down by Putin. Donnie had to obey.

Don't forget the Trump threat about destroying 52 cultural sites.
Then he got a 'phone call'

No I don't see a rational toned down trump


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 05:11 PM

"I agree with Shaw..."

If you promise to call me Steve I promise not to call you Matic. Deal?


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mossback
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 06:05 PM

I agree with Shaw that Trump has done well for himself to the current point, in showing restraint.

Ex-fucking 'scuse me????? Because the guy he illegally and immorally sucker-punched for no reason other than to win points with his brain-dead cult didn't punch back harder? (yet?) And he hasn't retaliated (yet?)

Next you'll be thanking Geo. W Butch for his restraint on Iraq.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Jan 20 - 09:12 PM

Steve- Shaw is a more distinctive appellation which was all I was aiming for. I try mostly to call people what they wish. Robomatic was my DJ name when I was on the air with zero listeners. You can call me 'Robo' or 'Matic' or something more interesting so long as I understand your intent. I guess I only know one 'Steve' in these threads so I'll try to 'member.

Mossy I think I made my point pretty clearly. Your spell of outrage comes off to me as a bit of misplaced virtuosity. You make no effort to explicate what you mean by 'illegal' and 'immoral' (though I made no mention of legality or morality in my post).

...but now that you mention it, what's wrong with offing a crumbum? I'm reminded of a short story that came out right after the Six Day War (Spring 1967 before the West Bank settlement issue which came much much later). In it, Goliath's family laments his loss not getting to arrive home after killing all the Jews. The story was from the book "Unfair to Goliath".

My opinion of the Current Occupant as a person is not necessarily the same as simply acknowledging that he may have become more electable for the time being, which I think is what we Yanks call a 'no-brainer'.

Meanwhile, we have this terrible plane crash which I'm ready to call a shoot-down. Our fearless leader has come clean out of that although I'm sure there are going to be folks who lay the chain of events to his 'credit'.

Make no mistake. Iran is a terror state, and has been since at least the return of Khomeini (and many would say since the overthrow of Mossadegh, and they would not be wrong). Under the undemocratic rule of the Mullahs and Ayatollah, Iran has indulged in bloodbaths to institute its regime, when it was attacked by Iraq its response was to throw untrained and underaged boys and men into mass wave attacks, and whenever its own citizens have peacably assembled for redress of grievances they have been subject to state violence including hundreds killed within the last month. Iran has internalized this violence, and also externalized it, resulting in the deaths of many Americans. Solemeini had it SO-coming!


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 12:07 AM

BBC TV News a few moments ago - Iran has admitted it shot down the Ukrainian airliner Ďunintentionally, as a result of American adventurismí. The Iranian foreign minister has offered Ďprofound regrets and apologiesí.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 12:37 AM

Since KAL007 airliner shootdowns and of course the Twin Towers loss of 4 of them all I find uniquely horrible. Other than writing in here I avoided the news today to avoid being sick. I won't write in on this for a while. Good thread, though. Good talkin' at ya. Thank you all.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 02:04 AM

Lest the outrage over the downed airliner get too extreme it is worth pointing out that the USS Vincennes fired a RIM-66 Standard surface-to-air missile at Iran Air Flight 655. The airplane was destroyed and all 290 passengers and crew died. USS Vincennes was in Iranian waters at the time of the attack. In both cases we would hope the downing was
misidentification and not deliberate.

A story making the rounds on the assassination below:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/breaking-report-iran-roundup-for-january-4th-thru-9th-general-soleimani-was-betrayed-by

Maybe in 50 years we will know the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 04:57 AM

Quite a contrast in how long it took the culprits to admit to shooting down the planes in 1988 and this week respectively. Also, after the Lockerbie incident, American intelligence officers were swarming all over the crash site within a few hours, studiously removing evidence. The upshot was an egregious miscarriage of justice and no closure for the victims' families. I tend not to do conspiracy theories but I've never quite got my head round what the yanks might have been up to - and why the UK authorities allowed them unfettered and uncontrolled access to the crime scene.

Again, whilst I'll never be an apologist for successive ghastly Iranian regimes, I'd remind robomatic that Iran has never invaded a neighbouring country, and that the founding of Hezbollah and the support for Hamas sprang directly from Israeli aggression. There have been plenty of bloodbaths at the hands of Israeli regimes, carried out with the acquiescence and support of the west. Let's not be one-sided about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 06:15 AM

The Vincennes crew, as I understand that one, was mostly misled by poor computer programming and a total failure on the command level of sending a human outside to look up in the sky and see if the icon on the crew's screens was correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: US war with Iran begins
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 06:33 AM

So IAINS says WHAT ABOUT AMERICAN SHOOT DOWNS.

Playing 'whataboutism'* is sick.

Instead look at all the shoot downs of innocent passengers
and condemn them all.

The Guilty nations or individuals go to extremes to deny thier crimes.
Russia even broadcast that dead bodies were loaded on a plane to stage a conspiracy against Russia. The US uses dubious animations.


It took a week but Iran fessed up that they messed up..

Remember these are just 'small' hand held weapons.

'WHAT ABOUT'* NUKES :^\


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