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BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread

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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 10:27 AM

isn't 'spartan' when a Scotsman gets his kilt painfully tangled up with his sporran...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 10:53 AM

Isn't 300 the number of pints of Tartan keg bitter you had to drink to get pissed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 11:03 AM

Just been listening to Thangam Debbonaire (Shadow Brexit Minister) on BBC Live House of Commons. An articulate, intelligent, clear-thinking woman. Very impressive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 11:03 AM

In your case perhaps. Might I suggest:
Call our National Helpline
FREE on
0800 9177 650


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 12:19 PM

Iains has to all intents and purposes
reduced himself to the role of
old pub nutter
sat in the corner burbling away to himself and his imaginary dog...

The Landlord whispers to newcomers to the pub..

" see that old.. errrmmm.. character in the corner, he used to be such a clever well educated chap..
Apparently somebody very important in his field of work.
until something traumatic happened and he lost the plot completely..
So sad really, but you'll get used to him if you drink here regularly..
It's safe to say hello to him, just don't mention politics anywhere within his hearing.. ever...
"


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 12:27 PM

I believe he used to play melodeon for a Morris team at one time. I think some right wing nutters tried to hijack it. Maybe that unhinged him?


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 12:44 PM

Well that's very interesting is that, Dave...

Pfr, from his posting history and the fact that he isn't always strictly honest, I think there's very good reason to doubt the first two lines of your italics...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 12:46 PM

"should the Equality and Human Rights Commission find labour guilty of antisemitism"

.. and I'd prefer a new labour leader who has backbone to stand up and fight back
against malicious false accusers...


Ahem!!!!!(By Mailonline 8 January 2020 )

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick told LBC that six people were arrested last year as part of the inquiry - and that five files have been passed to the Crown Prosecution Service by her detectives.

The investigation was prompted by an internal Labour dossier detailing anti-Semitic messages on social media allegedly posted by party members, which was obtained by the radio station in 2018.
Terrible things facts!


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 12:58 PM

6 out of how many total members...?????

you like percentages... dontcha..


If this 6 and any others hauled in are guilty,
then the law and Labour should stamp down hard on them...
simple as that...

The Conservative party now needs to be just as transparent and proactive as Labour,
in seeking independent public investigation of it's own members and institutionalised racism...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 01:11 PM

What? When the leader of the party talks about Pickaninnies, water melon smiles and tank top bum boys? Surely you jest PFR!


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 01:13 PM

Six is one in a hundred thousand, pfr. So that's 0.00001% of members. I wonder what the chance is of being run over by a London bus. I wonder how many BNP sympathisers, for example, have been arrested for hate crimes...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 01:20 PM

or how many Britain First have just joined the tories...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 01:29 PM

Well, they reckon 5000 but I doubt if Britain First had 5000 members to start with!


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 02:26 PM

Who could we ask...?


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 02:39 PM

All those members you boast about but still you lost!
DIANE Abbott has been told to “stay away” from Rebecca Long-Bailey’s Labour leadership campaign by a Brexit Party MEP who warned the shadow home secretary her campaign has “suffered enough”. pure comedy
Despite young rebecca's claims to be one of the downtrodden masses she is married to a multimillionaire. A tad duplicitous!
Labour MPs blasted Jeremy Corbyn's 'boring' loyalist Rebecca Long Bailey after she made her opening leadership pitch to the parliamentary party last night, savaging her performance as 'like watching paint dry'.
A ringing endorsement doncha think?

This was in contrast to rivals Jess Phillips and Lisa Nandy, who were applauded after calling for a change in political direction after the party's disastrous general election which saw it reduced to just 202 MPs.
Well I guess a couple have repented and seen the light. Are they numerically challenged though? Perhaps abbacus could aid them instead with a little mathemagic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Stanron
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 03:07 PM

I suspect that the Conservatives would have most to fear from a Labour leader who had been in favour of Brexit and was at the right of the party. Is anyone like that standing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 03:10 PM

shhh... don't look directly at him.. is he talking to us, or his imaginary dog...???

I'll go up and get us a round in when he takes a breath and starts leafing through the Mail again...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 03:11 PM

Not talking about you Stan... you're welcome for a good chat where I sit any time...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 03:22 PM

I don't think whether they were for or against brexit will make much difference since we are leaving anyway, Stanron. Unless of course we crash and burn. At which point a remainer could say "I told you so!" .


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 03:25 PM

it would be very unwise to say 'I told you so', even with the most extreme caution. It could so easily be spun as 'They are calling you thick and ignorant again.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 03:39 PM

Whoever becomes Labour leader will be targeted for non stop smears & vilification
by the combined forces and wealth of both domestic and international far right..

Even if Christ himself came back and landed the job...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 03:41 PM

If we have already crashed and burned I think that would be the least of our worries, D :-( But, it's all speculation anyway and hopefully it will all turn out for the best.

Do unicorns fly as well as pigs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 04:26 PM

Six is one in a hundred thousand, pfr. So that's 0.00001% of members

You only need one bad apple to spoil a barrel! As a well educated scientist/biolgist/zoologist/educationalst blah di blah, you would of course know this salient fact.
The party is under a three pronged onslaught:
1)The DPP
2)Ongoing further investigation by the Police
3)and of course an official investigation by the government appointed          Equality and Human Rights Commission.
A fair to middling chance the number found guilty will be considerably more than one.
The Labour party has had the allegations of antisemitism hanging over it for years and done nothing.(everyone knows that the investigation by chuckleberry was a total farce)
Anyway I will take pity on you and provide the link below on wilderness survival. I suspect you will need it. Life in the boonies is a challenge for the inept.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61BJVO5YslY


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 05:20 PM

And in which barrel are you the rotten apple? You are a self-declared liar, a racist, a misogynist and you have gender issues. That fits one or two far-right barrels I can think of. Care to elucidate? Or are you going to do your usual cowardly sidestep into "ridiculing" anyone to the left of Genghis Khan? You're quick to put everyone else into boxes, so now tell us who you are. Not that we don't already know...

You must have a bloody big hole somewhere you can crawl back into. You might have to clean your ordure out of it first, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 05:38 PM

Clive Lewis acquitted himself very well last night, despite the despicable bad manners of Emily Maitlis, who seemed determined not to let him get a full sentence out. It was just one of those "who is he?" moments...

Starmer seems to be the Labour MPs' pick. He's a likeable bloke but he's a London man, a man, a man in a suit and the ultimate fence-sitter. Jess and Lisa claim to be unity candidates but they both briefed against Corbyn like buggery for years and helped the Tories in. If that's unity then that beats me. Emily T did the same and comes across as incredibly patronising. For me, it's Becky Long-Bailey. Any one of the six has got to show grit in fighting off the Express and Mail and all the other anti-democrat liars in our midst. And she would give Johnson a bloody hard time (which is why his acolytes in the media are going ballistic on her already. They're running scared). It's an illusion that Becky is the only one with baggage. All six have in their different ways. But she's grounded, she's tough, she's a socialist and she's a gritty northerner. That'll do me. If I voted for anyone else I'd be going against my principles. I'm not doing it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 05:53 PM

"You only need one bad apple to spoil a barrel!"

meaningless drivel - but you already know that..

Yet you can't stop digging your hole..

So for you, generalising from 6 out of 600,000 [a bloody huge barrel innit..]
is not too far off you saying..
"a shifty looking 'foreigner' asked me on the street for 20p,
therefore, all 'foreigners' are beggars, and probably thieves as well"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:09 PM

Iaians. Don't know the origin of your data, but 1 in 100,000 is actually .001% Just saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:16 PM

I must admit that I tussled with the numbers of zeros, robo, but I made it 0.00001%. I think we can at least agree that it's "not a lot!" :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:20 PM

My ideal candidate would be someone who rose up from the factory floor
or similar real working class origins,
self educated through part time adult study,
talks in the common vernacular,
and will fight back hard when falsely accused and attacked...
Tough, solid integrity, robust wit and humour, and inspiringly charismatic...

Well, I can dream...

Please, not another bloody rich toff in a designer suit... please...


What's the chances of that then...???

Basically, I'll probably just have to put up with whoever the tory media, and toxic right wing rabbis, choose to let lead Labour


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:31 PM

Becky Long-Bailey and Angela Rayner tick most of your boxes, I reckon....


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:36 PM

My mrs can't stand Jess Philips..

I'm not over keen on her either..

But one thing I will say in her favour,
is she strikes me as a bit of a scrapper who will stand up to bullies...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:45 PM

“Shall there be womanly times? Or shall we die?” (Ian McEwan)

Just like Iains, Johnson is an arch-misogynist. He runs scared of strong-minded women. Why, even Bozo's girlfriend forced him to "get off me! " Blimey, even Jo Swinson made mincemeat of him in the Commons a few weeks ago. I suppose PMQ isn't really a game-changer, but what a contest it could be if Becky got her teeth into the unprepared silly posh sod. I can just see it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 06:46 PM

I agree, but she has hardly helped Corbyn since he was elected. I'm not quite sure what she actually is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 07:11 PM

Robomatic. I merely copied and pasted the erroneous data. It was our resident well educated educationalist wot got it rong. Quelle surprise!
The cabal all talk as though they have a viable opposition. To me this indicates numeracy is sadly lacking in their camp. You have to admit they are providing stunning entertainment. But when you look at their leader below, that they blindly follow, words fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--XmfUXsdyE

Looks like magic grandad believes in a scorched earth policy. A Carcrash in the commons does not begin to describe events at question time.
I doubt labour can ever recover from this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:02 PM

Note his utter inability to respond to the very valid questions as to who he really is...typical. We have more than suspicions. Funny how the net can close in.... One or two hints have recently been dropped. Good job he has two buttocks. You need 'em so that you can shift uncomfortably from one to the other. Notable that he is rather nervily having a much later night than usual. Sweet dreams, Staines puppet!


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 08:59 PM

His use of English language is getting ever more torturous and over convoluted...

Like a foreign propaganda bot churning it's cogs over limited variations of preprogrammed phrases and cliches
before it overheats and implodes.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:04 PM

He didn't like one of his man crushes being jokingly referred to as Dominic Cumsock... did he..


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:10 PM

God no. I noticed that. There are definite issues here...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:28 PM

Out of fairness, and because I'm considerate of the sensitivities of other folks...

I'll amend it to the more tory all boys boarding school culture appropriate
"Dominic Cumbiscuit"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:34 PM

"Staines puppet!"

sorry.. just noticed too late.. but still can't resist..

"Cumsock stains puppet"....


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 09:54 PM

It's always Cumberdick Bendybatch in our house...

There something oddly appropriate about "bendy" in this current context...can't quite put my finger on it...not that I'd want to...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 20 - 10:14 PM

That something you allude to is the glue that binds the tory upper echelons together..
Shared boarding dorm experiences and memories that can be used against old school friends, rivals, and enemies
to blackmail each other into toeing the party line...


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 01:22 AM

Iains:

Sorry about confusing the source. Also about getting your name wrong. That was unintentional.

Yes it's a small number. But when you add the % mark you make your number 100 times smaller, so you're supposed to take out two of the zeros. As a portion of an electorate anyplace but India or China it doesn't seem much. As a dosage of cyanide, it might matter. Or benzine. Or radiation.

While it may not matter much for the purpose of this discussion, it's an indicator of attention to detail. As in, this guy might be a good cook, but he ain't no baker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 03:00 AM

PFR. You said you wanted someone from a proper working class background.

Rebecca Roseanne Long-Bailey[1] was born on 22 September 1979[2] in Old Trafford, Greater Manchester, to Irish parents.[3] Her father, Jimmy Long, was a Salford docker and a trade union representative at Shell, Barton Docks.[4] She attended Chester Catholic High School.[5]

She began her working life serving customers in a pawn shop, something she says "taught [her] more about the struggles of life than any degree or qualification ever could." She also worked in various call centres, a furniture factory, and in postal delivery before eventually studying to become a solicitor.[6]


Will that do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 03:36 AM

One of the problems many commentators have, but especially those on the left, is that they underestimate the significance of things that should not matter in the least, but do. So Rebecca will get less votes than Becky, Jess will get more votes than Jessica Rose, as Tony did than Anthony, Boris did than Alexander and probably Maggie did than Margaret would have.

It is mad, not doubt, but it is not insignificant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 04:01 AM

Onward and upward, I say.
A toon for the cabal:

On the road to nowhere


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 05:01 AM

THE LABOUR leadership election process began this week with six candidates in line to replace Jeremy Corbyn. One contender, once an outsider in the running for the role, has seen their odds shorten recently with one bookmaker saying the contest is now a "three-horse race".

or as one pundit said " A three horse race for a three legged horse"


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 06:07 AM

Well if you're known all your life as Becky or Jess that's how you project yourself, I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 06:56 AM

I’m not sure about RLB Steve. Although I like her, and see her as an intelligent, articulate, strong woman, I can’t help but feel that she will be seen by voters as a ‘Corbynette’, which won’t be good for the LP.

I think I’d prefer Clive Lewis to RLB. But maybe I’d go for KS...I dunno. Although, as I’m not a member, it really doesn’t matter what I think! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Broken Govt Pledges: 1 UK Political thread
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 20 - 08:07 AM

...and at the end of the day, where I vote the tories always get in...


Was there rumours they plan rejigging constituency boundaries even more in their favour
for future elections...???


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