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BS: UK General election December 12 2019

DMcG 10 Dec 19 - 08:56 AM
punkfolkrocker 10 Dec 19 - 09:00 AM
Nigel Parsons 10 Dec 19 - 09:06 AM
Iains 10 Dec 19 - 09:23 AM
punkfolkrocker 10 Dec 19 - 09:26 AM
DMcG 10 Dec 19 - 09:50 AM
Steve Shaw 10 Dec 19 - 10:15 AM
DMcG 11 Dec 19 - 05:54 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Dec 19 - 08:15 AM
DMcG 11 Dec 19 - 08:26 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 08:56 AM

The crowd, you say?

Yes, the online videos of Corbyn meetings do show crowds. I am sure it was an absolute coincidence but the clip of Corbyn at Bristol shown on Newsnight was a head-on film, so no hint there was anyone else there at all.

The only crowd shots I have seen of Johnson are at factories where all the employees are herded to listen to the great man. Well, its a paid hour off work, isn't it?

And we know how popular the idea of having the general public around Johnson is.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:00 AM

DMcG - better late than never...
I was in process of posting this reply when mudcat suddenly blacked out from exhaustion and old age..............................


Yeah - Tony Benn.. He was guest speaker at my Poly back when I was a student, and also Paul Foot...

Two decent blokes..
Proof that not all posh boys have to end up being ruthless wicked depraved C@ntservatives...

..and Foot had a few words to say about the extent of abuse in top ruling class boys schools...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:06 AM

And Tony Benn had things to say about the EU YouTube Here


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:23 AM

And the electorate will have their say on Thursday!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:26 AM

..well.. we all had things to say about all sorts of issues way back in the past years of our lives...

Who knows what Tony Benn would have said right now in 2019...?????

what with the potential for some intelligent well informed folks to respond to different circumstances,
evolve, reconsider, change their minds, and all that...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 09:50 AM

Being a decent bloke does not mean you are always right.

Benn said what he did based on how the he thought the EU was going to develop. Some of those things have happened - such as the currency - and some haven't.

It is quite possible he would feel the same about the current EU. But he might put more weight on the social protections than he did. Who can know for certain? I would not be surprised if he mirrored Corbyn's 7/10 comment, more or less. Though even that is far too subtle for the all-or-nothing brigade.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 10:15 AM

I was never a fan of Wedgie Benn. His archetypal take on EC/EU was always predicated on the old lie that we are run by a "bunch of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels." What he never told us was that free trade with Europe help us to thrive; that all our domestic laws are in our own hands; that we agree with the general consensus on almost all EU regulations; that a tiny amount only of our GDP is tied up with Europe (currently about one percent); that we have a considerable say, as a larger nation, in the running of the EU; and that we have the veto on contentious major policy areas (a European army, for example). With 28 countries and half a billion people the EU, just like any big nation, suffers from the disease of gigantism (as John Seymour put it). There's plenty wrong with the EU but there's a lot more good than bad in my opinion. We haven't had another pan-European war, and neither I nor my son has ever been called up, for example. Tony Benn was a long way from being my kind of leftie. Were he still alive today. I'd be wanting to know what sort of "control" he thinks we'll have when we have to go begging to the US and China for trade deals, and when we can't get the staff to run our NHS and care system once we make those EU citizens submit to a bloody points system. Wrong about most things most of the time, Wedgie.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 05:54 AM

Mudcat only available (sometimes) via awe.mudcat.org

Must be Russian interference to stop the half dozen of us who frequently post on this thread influencing the world!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 08:15 AM

The Tories really are a filthy, disgusting, shameless gang of liars, aren't they?

And, on 'Politics Live' today, we had their BBC mouthpiece, the harridan Kuenssberg, giving out that 'postal voting is going badly for Labour'. How the fuck does she know that? Don't our electoral regulations preclude that kind of information being made available?

WTF has happened to our once-greatly-admired political system?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 08:26 AM

So Laura K and Peston have apologised for sending out the fake article about the assault on the aide at Leeds.   Very good. Now the more difficult thing: what do you intend to do to prevent being misled in that way again?

… well?


A silence reigns.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 09:23 AM

"From midnight on Wednesday, the WTO court will no longer adjudicate on trade disputes"

I have asked Brexiteers here before for their comments on how we can trade on WTO rules if the dispute resolution court is shut down, but so far to no avail.

Anyway, I invite their comments again.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 09:56 AM

This election campaign shamelessly openly celebrates that 'might is right',
'the survival of the nastiest',
and 'the ends justify the means'...

Boris - the cudlly friendly fuddled face of international far right supremacy...

Eton excels in popagating the gentlemanly art of lying convincingly...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:00 AM

.. 'propagating'.. oh bollocks to typing with itchy watery eyes...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:16 AM

.. 'propagating'.. oh bollocks to typing with itchy watery eyes...
Yep, fingers are much better tools for the job ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:27 AM

No WTO court because Trump refuses to appoint replacement representatives.

Oh, how convenient for him!

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:45 AM

”Eton excels in popagating the gentlemanly art of lying convincingly...”

But that’s precisely what Johnson doesn’t do, does he? To those of us whose tongues aren’t firmly planted in his big, fat, hairy arse-crack, his lies are blatantly obvious. And, of course, his mouth moves...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 10:50 AM

Sanity versus lefty ideology. Our world hangs in the balance!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 11:01 AM

BWM - looks like Boris's parents didn't get their money's worth from his education...???

Personally, I regard Eton as a posher terrorist training camp...

-----


"Yep, fingers are much better tools for the job ;)..
and they don't need batteries..."


as the wife of an impotent tory MP said to the Anne Summers sales lady...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 01:57 PM

"Mudcat only available (sometimes) via awe.mudcat.org"

I seem to recall that we were strongly asked not to use awe. Can't remember why now, but I've been obediently avoiding it for a few months.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:10 PM

I missed that message. I will try to find it to read it properly. I can think of technical reasons in terms of load management but I would be guessing.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:12 PM

I remember that also. We all know who has carried on posting when the main site is down!Perhaps that is why he is called the backward man.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:21 PM

Can I just ask..
.. anyone had a word with the liberals about all the paper mail they are posting out,
to persuade us to vote for their greener policies...???


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:23 PM

Awe is one of a number of servers fronted by a load balancer. I assume that the background processing is also load balanced between servers too. Nothing wrong with posting to an individual server in a farm but, if that server is currently not updating the database holding the posts, you risk losing whatever you post.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:42 PM

pfr:

I have had two identical leaflets delivered at the same time. They came from the Green Party - a shade unfortunate!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 03:45 PM

Has Max signed ‘Semen’ Staines’s pet-troll up as a Moderator?

Thought not.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Vic Smith
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 03:46 PM

There's been so many lies spreading about during this election campaign so it's good to be able to share a truthful message that I have just received from the Chief Presiding Officer of the 2019 General Election. I copy'n'paste it in full: -

"All our research has shown that the outstanding importance of the 2019 election means that there will be a record turnout and so to avoid overcrowding, we have taken the difficult decision to spread the voting time over two days. It is too late to arrange this by districts, so we are have decided to do this on a party basis.
VOTERS FOR THE FOLLOWING PARTIES TO VOTE ON 12th DECEMBER -
* Green Party
* Labour Party
* Liberal Democrat Party
* Plaid Cymru
* Scottish Nationalist Party
VOTERS FOR THE FOLLOWING PARTIES TO VOTE ON 13th DECEMBER -
* Brexit Party
* Conservative Party
* English Democrats
VOTERS FOR THE FOLLOWING PARTIES TO VOTE ON
EITHER DAY -
* Church of the Militant Elvis Party
* Monster Raving Loony Party
* Space Navies Party"

I recognise the signature at the bottom of the letter, so it must be authentic, besides, who ever saw a lie posted on Mudcat?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 04:17 PM

From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 03:45 PM

Has Max signed ‘Semen’ Staines’s pet-troll up as a Moderator?

Thought not.


How does it feel to be an idiot?



Subject: RE: Can't log in, is there a problem?
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 11:16 AM
It's best not to use those alternate server names. Mudcat is designed to operate at this URL: https://mudcat.org/

Those other URLs are primarily for administrative access. Using them can cause us problems - at least, that's what Max told me.

There were a number of people who had cookie problems last week, and some were not able to reset their cookies for a day or two.

Max lives in State College, which seems to have some of the worst weather in Pennsylvania. He gets nasty storms that knock his power out for days on end. And then Mudcat doesn't work, and he can't tell us what's happening.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 04:48 PM

”How does it feel to be an idiot?”

No idea, perhaps you’d care to enlighten us? You have plenty of experience.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 05:10 PM

No Idea?
Maybe being a blockhead numbs all feeling.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 05:20 PM

Latest polls:

Opinium: CON: 45% (-1) LAB: 33% (+2) LDEM: 12% (-1)
YouGov: CON: 43% (-) LAB: 34% (+2) LDEM: 12% (-2) BREX: 3% (-1)

YouGov MRP: CON: 339 (-20) LAB: 231 (+20) LDEM: 15 (+2) BREX: 0 (-) SNP: 41 (-2)

PaddyPower Majority Odds (Yesterday’s in Brackets):

       Tories: 2/5 (1/3)
       No overall: 9/4 (5/2)
       Labour: 20/1 (33/1)
       Lib Dems: 500/1 (500/1)


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 06:35 PM

The LibDems, who are a somewhat distant second in North Cornwall, have blown it here (a solid leave area) via their Stop Brexit yarn. Also, they sent out a very dishonest leaflet to every home which contained a bar chart showing the Con/Lab/LibDem vote in 2017. The LibDem column has been significantly manipulated upwards to give the impression that the seat is far more marginal than it actually is. The brexiteers on the other hand have successfully sold the country the downright lie that the LibDem stance was undemocratic. It isn't at all, though it was naive and foolish in the extreme. So I'll hold my nose and vote LibDem, as Labour haven't got a hope in hell here, in the hope that I'm helping to oust the stinking Tory who holds our seat. My mum, a lifelong socialist, has also decided that she should vote tactically here for the LibDems. Another clothes peg on the nose.

My daughter and her partner live in the Truro and Falmouth constituency. Against expectations, Labour came close last time. They don't need any prodding from me to vote Labour.

My son and daughter-in-law live in the highly-marginal Richmond Park seat. I think they'll be voting to oust the contemptible Tory Zac Goldsmith in favour of the LibDems.

A lot of tactical voting to kick out the Tories and I highly recommend it. You may be a passionate remainer but if you vote according to your principles or tribal instincts you may effectively be voting for brexit. Let's get tactical! We can always go to confession later...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 06:51 PM

Be wary of some 'official' tactical voting advice
intended to dupe anti tory voters into delivering wins to tory candidates...


One such dirty trick was exposed earlier today,
but I didn't catch the full news report, so do not have full details.

Obviously, the tory party will deny knowledge and involvement...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:16 AM

”Maybe being a blockhead numbs all feeling.”

Oh dear, back to ex-squaddie barrack-room behaviour again. Carry on, Private Parts.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:25 AM

Oh dear, back to ex-squaddie barrack-room behaviour again. Carry on, Private Parts.

Surely the demonstrable stupidity must be yours. Have you reached the bottom of the hole you are digging? The barrack room behaviour is yours backwarrd man, along with a potty mouth. When losing you start insulting or fighting. Typical lefty traits. It can only happen when ideology replaces commonsense. Never mind, if the polls are correct your tunnel vision is leading you all out of the promised land and compo's allotment will suffer a blight for decades.

BOJO has the MOJO to get things done.

Corbyn the clown will be run out of town!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 03:32 AM

And there, I rest my case. QED.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:11 AM

Seen on Facebook earlier.

If your polling station is in a school and you vote Tory, you may as well shit on a child's desk on the way out :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:21 AM

Finally put your spade down have you?

I wonder how many votes the lefty luvvie lost last night.

https://order-order.com/2019/12/12/coogan-leave-voters-ill-informed-ignorant/#disqus_thread
That will be well received in the brexit voting labour heartlands.
Calling people stupid does not win votes.

It is Socialism that depends on creating ignorance and then exploiting envy.
I wonder why the abbacus has been banished from the airwaves in recent days? She must be some contortionist to put her foot in her mouth each time she speaks.
But then clever is not a word that easily springs to mind when describing the shadow front bench!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:56 AM

Wat is striking about this election is how ill-informed we all are. The Conservative manifesto says nothing about what will happen after 2020 - i.e. for 4/5 of the lifetime of a Parliament. The whole focus of the Conservative campaign was on what happens in January 2020; almost everything else was excluded. It was also claimed that getting this 'done' would allow them to look at new hospitals and nursing levels: none of that is dependent on Brexit. There were a lot of near-idle days at the end of the last Parliamentary session where some of the groundwork for this could have been done. But it wasn't. Then again near the end of the last Parliament, but before the election was announced, Javid was supposed to present a budget, but it got pulled. During the campaign Johnson has done his best to avoid any sort of critical examination of his plans. Yes, is he is happy to go to places where can reel off his stump speech, but nowhere where he can be really challenged on its detail. The section on page 48 about the relationship between the Government and the rest (Parliament, the Lords, the courts) could mean anything from no change to the equivalent of the Enabling Act.

We all are ill-informed.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:01 AM

Great comment from a reader on the Guardian website (my bold):

"Whether you’re a tank-topped bum boy, a piccaninny with a watermelon smile, a Muslim bank robber, one of the feckless criminal working classes, an ill-raised and ignorant child of a single mother or just someone who feels sick at the thought of another five years of this racist, homophobic, misogynistic, absurdly privileged outcast from the Village of the Damned it’s probably a good idea to vote tactically today wherever it’s possible to give a Tory a well-deserved kicking.

I don’t care if Swinson is untrustworthy or Corbyn doesn’t watch the Queen’s Speech. Boris Johnson wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire, he’d sell off the NHS to Trump in a heartbeat, and he is definitely wanking behind that sign."


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:05 AM

I do not envy your choice between two unimagibly bad disembling candidates but will watch the polls anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:55 AM

Are the lefties having a bad day? I guess compo's swan song is red sails in the sunset!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:07 AM

You've been reading too many of our tabloids, Donuel. One of our candidates is an inveterate, confounded, cowardly liar who refuses interviews and hides in a fridge whilst the other (who many find unattractive for many other reasons) has bothered to put himself out and about in full exposure to promote an ambitious manifesto for putting the ordinary people of this country out of their ten-year-long misery. Do feel free to comment on our politics but do be good enough to choose your sources a bit more carefully.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 06:54 AM

They are bad candidates for 2 entirely different reasons. I am not subject to viewing any tabloids, even the ones posted here.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:06 AM

Then tell us what you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 07:25 AM

Oh..... and a bit of personal advice to add to what I posted yesterday:-

If you are not sure whether to vote for the Brexit Party or the Conservative Party, please remember that it is acceptable to put a 'X' by candidates for both parties and just let it be sorted out at the count.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 08:50 AM

Brexit is like watching your library being burnt down by people who never learnt to read.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 11:33 AM

Spiffing stuff. The world of corbynistas:


https://unherd.com/2019/12/how-labour-betrayed-their-supporters/


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 01:30 PM

We went to vote in our village hall polling station at 10am and the place was completely deserted except for the two ladies sitting behind the table giving out the voting slips. They looked very bored and lonely! Hope more folk turned up later (maybe in the evening) but there are many people here who are retired, so there should have been more voters around.
We haven't had any political leaflets through the door or canvassers.
Bit of a dead loss isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Workingtonman
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 02:18 PM

well, it's maybe because the tories and their chums keep referring to this as 'the brexit election' and folk are past caring. when it is all over we should have a general election asap


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 02:38 PM

Where are Gilbert & Sullivan and Spitting Image when you really need them? Where is John Oliver?

Good luck, Brits! You're still our Mum! When it's all over, mop up the blood and come home!


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