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punkfolkrocker 01 Oct 19 - 11:25 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Oct 19 - 11:36 AM
Backwoodsman 01 Oct 19 - 11:45 AM
punkfolkrocker 01 Oct 19 - 01:21 PM
GUEST,keberoxu 01 Oct 19 - 01:35 PM
punkfolkrocker 01 Oct 19 - 01:38 PM
fat B****rd 01 Oct 19 - 02:23 PM
Stringsinger 01 Oct 19 - 02:25 PM
Big Al Whittle 01 Oct 19 - 03:14 PM
GUEST,Starship 03 Oct 19 - 08:19 PM
meself 03 Oct 19 - 08:43 PM
keberoxu 03 Oct 19 - 08:44 PM
Acorn4 04 Oct 19 - 04:37 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Oct 19 - 04:46 AM
GUEST,Gervase 04 Oct 19 - 05:51 AM
punkfolkrocker 04 Oct 19 - 07:40 AM
Jim McLean 04 Oct 19 - 08:07 AM
GUEST,Starship 04 Oct 19 - 08:58 AM
BobL 05 Oct 19 - 03:10 AM
John MacKenzie 05 Oct 19 - 08:51 AM
Leadfingers 05 Oct 19 - 04:55 PM
GUEST,bee from years ago 08 Oct 19 - 11:54 AM
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Subject: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 11:25 AM

What is it about the late 1960s that produced a fad for bleating lamb singers...???

Marc Bolan, Roger Chapman, Ray Dorset.. immediately spring to mind...

All 3 are singers I happen to like.. but it is a bloody odd singing style..
Which I don't really understand the appeal of...???

I'm sure you can add to the list...

[apparently at least one prominent folkie...???]

But was it just a late 60s / early 70s fashionable affectation..
Is there a new younger generation of lambsingers still bleating away amongst us...????

Baaaaaa...


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 11:36 AM

WE had a long, enjoyable conversation with Peter Bellamy once at Cecil Sharp House - he described his own singing as his "Larry-the-Lamb impressions
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 11:45 AM

Jess Glynn is an equally frightful bleater right now.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 01:21 PM

..and Ray Davies on Kink's track "King Kong"

but I don't remember if that's just a one off or if he bleated more often...

[I haven't listened to much of the Kinks in recent years...]


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 01:35 PM

Italian opera singers use the word
"caprino"

a little billy goat,

and they are speaking of poor singing.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 01:38 PM

So is it purely a stylistic choice,
or is it somehow physiologically natural for some singers...???


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: fat B****rd
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 02:23 PM

The first time I heard my old mate Roger Chapman perform "How Many More Years" by H. Wolf I mentioned Larry The Lamb. He, Roger, wasn't too happy, but we remained friends for a few more years.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 02:25 PM

The French singers like that sound. Piaf for example. Buffy Saint Marie had it. It's a tremolo in the voice that trained vocalists and coaches attempt to eliminate. I like it better than Tom Wait's growl or even Dave Van Ronk's although I certainly acknowledge that they are and were great performers. And there's Louis Armstrong who ya' gotta' love.

It can be a traditional folk voice and effective as such. I loved hearing the late Bess Hawes, Alan Lomax's sister sing ballads and she had it.

It's not meant for conventional stage or concert singing.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 03:14 PM

I always thought Smokey Robinson's voice was a bit too strange for me - sort faux chidlike.

Of course Michael Jackson and Barry Gibb are a bit that way as well.

But these people have millions of fans - whereas I am 'hounded fuckless through the streets' as JP Donleavy said. makes you think!


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 03 Oct 19 - 08:19 PM

Tremolo in the voice can be used for effect, but I don't enjoy a whole lot of it at once. It's irritating in much the same way as auto-tune, but different. This guy , for example, sings a bit flat for a complete stanza, then auto-tune raises the pitch of his voice, attenuates the stretch and voila. I can hear auto-tuned voices, know they've been auto-tuned, then I slip into a valley of despair thinking civilization as we know it is crumbling and we are all doomed. People singing flat make my ears hurt; people singing auto-tuned makes my brain hurt. That said, we don't all experience the same things when we listen to music, or even experience the same things in the same way, and that's ducky with me.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: meself
Date: 03 Oct 19 - 08:43 PM

"It's not meant for conventional stage or concert singing."

It's not "meant for" anything in particular - it's just the way same people sing, after awhile. Usually they are not Italian opera singers, I guess. Sonny Boy Williamson II is another who comes to mind.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Oct 19 - 08:44 PM

Johnny Mathis has admirers of all ages,
and they never included me --

I found his voice too lamblike, myself,
but the fans would probably
disagree at the tops of their lungs.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Acorn4
Date: 04 Oct 19 - 04:37 AM

I like to call it "mad sheep disease".

Sandy Denny's voice had the minimum of vibrato.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Oct 19 - 04:46 AM

"So is it purely a stylistic choice,"
Vibrato is, as far as I can understand, a physical anomaly which can be lessened, or even removed with work
MacColl had a natural vibrato which he more or lesssssse expunged from his singing but he once said, sometimes re-appeared when his voice got 'tired'
It's noticeable on his early recordings
Some singers decided to cultivate it
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,Gervase
Date: 04 Oct 19 - 05:51 AM

Not for nothing was Peter Bellamy an anagram of Elmer P Bleaty!


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Oct 19 - 07:40 AM

well my favourite band this week is Family..

..and as odd as he sings, Roger Chapman's voice just sounds 'right' on those old tracks...

Don't ask me why, I can't understand it, I just like it...

"Burlesque", in particular, is a brillliant recording...


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Jim McLean
Date: 04 Oct 19 - 08:07 AM

Such voices were described as "able to whisk an egg."


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 04 Oct 19 - 08:58 AM

'The Soldier's Farewell' by Dessie O'Halloran may change the conversation just a wee bit.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: BobL
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 03:10 AM

Bleating I can stand. But some, usually pop, female singers sound like a cat that's about to throw up - I've never hung around long enough to find out their names.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 08:51 AM

Brian Ferry


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Oct 19 - 04:55 PM

Gervase beat me to Emer P bleaty ¬!


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,bee from years ago
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 11:54 AM

Getting old can exacerbate this phenomenon. Have to take deeper breaths at shorter intervals, in my experience, or the vibrato sneaks in.

Hello, Mudcat. It's been a long while. :)


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 12:00 PM


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 12:02 PM

Sorry, missed on the above. I agree about Johnny Mathis, but i do enjoy him in small doses.
   hi bee, nice to see you back!


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,bee from years ago
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 12:08 PM

Thanks!

It's good to see quite a few familiar names still posting.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 12:11 PM

Vibrato seems an acceptable of some aspects of aspect of classical singing I understand - to many it goes against "The clear, clean sound of the tradition"
There is a long running argument as to whether the technique used by Brigg singer, Joseph Taylor is a result of vibrato or an attempt to ornament
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 01:00 PM

Not sure 'bleating lamb' is the right phrase- it's a rather pejorative term- nor that it's always an affectation....

Fred Jordan, one of the stalwarts on the traditional singing side of the early revival, certainly had a serious vibrato in his voice but it always seemed quite natural to me.


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 01:47 PM

Us electric guitarists have a perennial debate about whether a guitar's wobble stick
should be called a "Tremelo" or "Vibrato" bar...

One being fluctuations in volume, and the other pitch...

So which is most accurate to describe the singing lamb phenomena...???


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: meself
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 05:40 PM

Is that really bee - from years ago? Where ya been?


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,bee from years ago
Date: 08 Oct 19 - 09:19 PM

If it's bee from nova scotia, yes, it is I (flourish)

Hi. :)

I haven't been anywhere, just took too long a break from forums and then just didn't make it back, except the occasional peek or song search.

I've advanced from clumsy newb to mediocre guitar player (Very happy with that!), am a singer/player with a local music group that plays for rural concerts, benefits, local church services and funerals. It's nice. Playing a local open mike café tomorrow evening.

And you, meself?


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 12:52 AM

Stevie Nicks!


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: Acorn4
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 04:32 AM

Who's she - Is she on "Ewe Tube"?


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Subject: RE: Bleating lamb singing voice...???
From: GUEST,Dtm
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 05:36 AM

Baa-aa-rry Gibb is the worst bleater of all.


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