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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 06:06 AM

My mum used to say, “If you keep picking at a scab, it’ll never get better”.

Heed the words of a wise lady, Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 05:45 AM

"It's a good policy. "
It never rally has been Stve but now he is targetting the Mods as regularly as he is he is not just spoiling the threads but he is undermining the existence of the forum
The mods are fully aware of his behaviour but are doing nothing about it as far as I can see - and he says they ae being nfair to him
How far is he going to be allowed to go with this ?
The two examples he gives above show just how far he is going
Mine was an angry outburst at yet another string of abuse from a serial abuser
Yours was something else
"I'm not interested in just being fair to leave voters."
That is an honest and rational opinion of how you feel about those who voted to leave - he presented it as a personal insult - an obvious attempt to censor discussion he disapproves of

Joe Offer says we should treat him "like a fart"
Can't speak for others, but when I drop a particularly bad one, I hastily open the doors and windows to waft it away
Time somebody did the same with this particular fart
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 05:16 AM

"Seems." Grr. Where are those reading specs...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 05:15 AM

I don't read his posts, Jim. It's a good policy. Leave him to make a stand-out idiot of himself. If you keep responding he won't stand out. We have patient moderators here, but one day he'll push 'em too far. So just let him, all by himself.   

Dick, I'm not sure quite what it is you're disagreeing with me about. We appear to be on the same page. I've said that Labour's stance sees reasonable. All I said was that I'm disappointed that we're not going to campaign as a party for remain in a referendum. I'm still a member and I'm staying where I am!

DMcG is right. Whatever the outcome of this shambles, leave sentiment vs remain sentiment will still be scoring about equal in the country and that's a recipe for unrest whatever the ultimate outcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 05:00 AM

If you continue with this Iains I am going to publicly demand that moderators - especially those you are regularly choosing to vomit your constat bile over, have allowed you to stay as long as they have while expelling people who are far less offensive but have far more of an entertainment value - you started this when you arrived here and you have kept it up for years now
If you cannot contain your hatred of this forum and its members you should not be allowed to be a member of it
Enough is enough
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 04:33 AM

1)Now fuck off you abusive twat

2) I'm not interested in just being fair to leave voters. If you voted leave, you were quite likely either a racist or a mug. Not definitely, but likely. I don't see why I should be singling out that cohort for fair play.


The above are shining example of intolerance and abuse and denial of due process by demented remainiacs. I assume shaw's rant is yet another of his Prosecco moments.
Their true colours are now being clearly shown. No attempt at reasoned argument.

I have reasoned posts deleted. The above has been allowed to remain.

We appear to have some immoderate moderation!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 04:21 AM

I think Corbyn is likely to get a deal from the EU, THAT IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN OFFERED SO FAR.
IF THE ELECTORATE REJECT IT, SO BE IT. we will all have to suffer the consequences. whatever they may be imo it is in the interests of the EU NOT TO HAVE A NO DEAL IT IS ALSO IN THE INTERESTS OF THE UK.
It is in the interest of law and order in the uk and democracy that neither a no deal or what the liberals propose is allowed to happen


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 04:04 AM

The way to heal a divided country is through compromise, the labour party are offering a compromise, the liberal party are not neither are the conservatives. The labour party after being elected are offering as compromise, a negotiated deal or leave,the voters will vote[for the first time on an informed choice]that shows more respect for democracy than the other two.parties and hass the best chances of uniting the country, it may not be perefct , but it is imo the best thing on offer


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 02:12 AM

None of the paths avoid the risk of rioting, and all are subject to the risk of manipulation, but the idea of a confirmatory referendum seems to offer a potential healing, though it does come with the risk of making the divisions worse. For one thing there will be a substantial group, no doubt lead by Farage amongst others, who will argue it is a choice between BRINO and remain: the only "true leave'is not offered.

Then again, a close result will heal nothing.

And of course the whole approach is too sophisticated to squeeze into a good slogan. "Your choice" is compact and accurate but explains nothing, for example, refers too.much to the 2016 referendum.


So, not a good way forward. But maybe the one with most chances of uniting the country, nonetheless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Sep 19 - 01:14 AM

I disagree Steve,it is a policy that puts back to the voters a chance to make a more informed judgement,. Steve your suggestion raises the possibilties of massive civil unrest similiar to the yellow vest campaign in france .
if you want rioting outside your front door, the liberal party policy is a likely way to get it ,you cannot piss off fifty percent of the populationby overiring a voteand not expect recriminations. a second vote with voters better informed on what they are voting on, is a less politically divisive and more democratic solution. the conservative party have probably alienated one of their tradtional supporters [the small farmer]


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 03:58 PM

The fairest thing for leave voters, as well as remain voters, non-voters and those too young to vote, is to stay in the EU. I'm not interested in just being fair to leave voters. If you voted leave, you were quite likely either a racist or a mug. Not definitely, but likely. I don't see why I should be singling out that cohort for fair play. I'm disappointed that Labour hasn't got off the fence. That's going to play badly in any election campaign, and not coming out solidly for remain is not coming out solidly for the best interests of the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 03:37 PM

this gives back control to the british people they can vote again ,but know what they are voting for, if they vote leave then the uk should leave, if they vote to accept a deal then that should be what happens , it needs to be done again so that people have a choice and know what they are voting for, this is fairet to those leave voters who did not want a no deal brexit and did not realise that no deal might happen, that actuslly naively believed the conservatve government knew what it was doing.
this imo will be the least politically divisive outcome, any true patriot should understand that the best thing for a country is the least political division possible


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 03:30 PM

Exactly,Jim, that was the wording of the 2016 referendum , that was what was voted on. THERE WAS NO WORDING WHATSOEVER ABOUT WHAT KIND OF BREXIT IT WOULD BE ,THERE WAS NO SUGGESTION OF ANY DEAL NO DEAL OR OTHERWISE ON THE 2016 REFERENDUM. THE FACT THAT CAMERON MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT ONCE IS NOT RELEVANT..YThe labour part have decided at their conference today , that if they win the next election, they will negotiate a deal with the EU A REFENDUM WILL BE PUT TO THE THE UK PEOPLE OFFERING THEM A CHOICE A NEW DEAL OR LEAVE
The uk voters will be able to know what they are voting for, this is fairer than the policy proposed by the liberal party


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 01:41 PM

“Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
Jim carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 01:28 PM

If you are incapable of addressing your postings without a stream of insults you should not be here
I cannot understand why the mods continue to let you behavve like the cyberthug you apparently are
A prime ministers statment has sweetfuck all tio do with how the referendum waspresentd
The people voted on the wording of the referendum - not on what word of lying politicians
Now fuck off you abusive twat
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 12:46 PM

Anybody who tells you anything was 'pointed out' is lying (an uncontrollable habit as this farce continues

A fortnight before the referendum in 2016, then Prime Minister David Cameron (who was campaigning for Remain) said during an interview:

    “The British public would be voting if we leave would be to leave the EU and leave the single market.


I guess if sparky cannot understand simple english he just calls it lying. What a clown!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 08:58 AM

I wonder what bexit is? Is it a new buzzword for intolerant lefties?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 08:15 AM

9000immediate job losses in Britain after Thomas Cooke bombs, thanks to Bexit, 100s in Northern Ireland - 1000s stranded abroad
Not the first and not the last

Don't waste your time or energy Dick - Shirley Valentine got more sense from her kitchen wall
We all know the the referendum never asked for anything specific - no planning, no specified conditions just "Let's get outta here and get rid of the foreigners" - every bit as mindless as that
A sulky teenager leaving home in a huff would give more thought to their future
Anybody who tells you anything was 'pointed out' is lying (an uncontrollable habit as this farce continues
Any moron who wishes to break off from any source of trade as Britain crumbles is a waste of space
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 07:54 AM

No, you are wrong the common market and the EU are two different things , we had a vote on entering The common market but no vote on ENTERING the EU.THE COMMON MARKET WAS PURELY A TRADING ORGANISATION. THE EU
How It Is Governed

Three bodies run the EU. The EU Council represents national governments. The Parliament is elected by the people. The European Commission is the EU staff. They make sure all members act consistently in regional, agricultural, and social policies. Contributions of 120 billion euros a year from member states fund the EU.

Here's how the three bodies uphold the laws governing the EU. These are spelled out in a series of treaties and supporting regulations:

    The EU Council sets the policies and proposes new legislation. The political leadership, or Presidency of the EU, is held by a different leader every six months.
    The European Parliament debates and approves the laws proposed by the Council. Its members are elected every five years.
    The European Commission staffs and executes the laws. Jean-Claude Juncker is the president until October 2019.


There was no discussion or proposition on how THE UK should leave the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 07:01 AM

the last referndum did not specify how the uk would leave.

The EU started as the common market.
It is implicit that in leaving the EU that we leave the common market and all that it entails. This was pointed out prior to the referendum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Sep 19 - 03:28 AM

THE Labour Party, are suggesting imo a very sensible solution .put them in government, then they can negotiate a deal which will then be offered as a referendum, a choice, the negotited deal or leave. the last referndum did not specify how the uk would leave.
attention to detail, is where Johnson and Cameron is/were weak,the uk electorate has the right to know what it is voting on


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Sep 19 - 06:08 AM

I find it mildly amusing that if the ruling goes against the Government they can appeal - to the ECJ.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Sep 19 - 06:04 AM

That is supported by a point raised in the closing remarks for the government yesterday. They said that if the court were to rule the prorogation were illegal, that should be its limit: it should not rule on what should happen next.

An interesting consequence of the Scottish Court decision what that the prorogation should be 'null and void'. That means it should be as if prorogation had never happened. As a result, the ability to prorogue would be as it was before the prorogation happened, and so there would be no obstacle to proroguing again immediately.

Given that the case has - in my interpretation - hinged on whether if illegality arose it did so from the duration or the claimed motivation of preventing scrutiny, I would be surprised if the Supreme Court decided it was illegal because of an attempt to prevent scrutiny but left open the route to do precisely that again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Sep 19 - 05:34 AM

Boris Trump-Johnson, on a self promotion romp in Wiltshire yesterday, told reporters (he managed to recognise them this time) that he would not rule out closing down Parliament again next month
He would wait for the outcome of the Appeal Court's findings before deciding anything
It appears that if this appeal fails he will be given carte blanche the right to crown himself Emperor of Britain
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 01:49 PM

Instead of our industries pissing off abroad like the Dysons of this sick world or simply collapsing, perhaps they'll fare better in the hands of those who actually do the work rather than just leech of it
Hope it's not too late and we actually have any left industries after this sorry xenophobic-created mess


More drivelling nonsense!
Let us take an example of British Leyland, where the unions thought they ran the show. Mr Edwards,was a veteran of corporate confrontation; his chairmanship of the British Leyland group was one of the definitive battles against trade union dominance in British industry. He was appointed in 1977 a year in which Leyland had lost production of 250,000 cars through industrial disputes. The shop stewards thought that with a Labour government they had the whip hand and could force Edwards to back down. BIG MISTAKE. He did not! They caused the loss of both factories and jobs and the company survived to fight another day.
I suppose you think that canny entrepreneurs like Dyson and Branston leech off the workers, yet their perspicacity actually created all the jobs. You obviously know absolutely nothing about business, but as you were but a sparky this is hardly surprising. If letting the workers control everything was the panacea you claim it to be it would be in worldwide use with clever people like Dyson and Branston leading the pack. Sensible people recognise the stupidity of the idea, hence it is not practised.

The UK is the second largest manufacturing country in the EU and still ranks number 6 in the world so to talk about Britain having any industries left is rather a silly statement.

Perhaps you need to add fact checker along with spellchecker to your Christmas list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 01:14 PM

It seems Madge has just handbagged Cameron for telling tales out of school
It seems nobody loves this dreadful minority Government any more, including many of it's own members
Bout time it was put out to grass - one Britain clears up the devastation it has caused, of course
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 08:22 AM

Whatever the outcome to today it seems to be a case of U.K. - RIP
Wales has appealed against Johnson, a Northern Ireland representative has described the devastating effect all this will have on the Good Friday Agreement and Scotland has already won their case back home
No organisation of States can possibly survive that
Add to this Cameron's confession that he attempted to influence the Queen on the Devolution Referendum - you have Britain going to war with itself
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 05:59 AM

May as well repeat this heer

Never thought I'd agree with this man -

Sir John Major has compared Boris Johnson to a dishonest estate agent,
saying that he had “ulterior motives” when he prorogued parliament.      
The former Tory prime minister,       whose lawyers will intervene today at the Supreme Court, has said in written submissions that Mr Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament was “unlawful”.
He argued that Mr Johnson’s justification for prorogation to bring forward       a new legislative programme “makes no sense and cannot be the true explanation”.
In a clear suggestion that Mr Johnson should not be believed, Sir John wrote that it would be “artificially naive” for the court to accept the prime minister’s stated reasons for the prorogation.

Talk about thieves falling out
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 05:29 AM

"left industries "
Freudian slip - we can but hope
I meant industries lef, of course
"British Justice a farce"
Thate - you have it from the donkey's mouth
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 05:01 AM

Fabulous news
Labour is beginning to reverse Blair's destruction of its principles with a re-establishment of Clause Four
Instead of our industries pissing off abroad like the Dysons of this sick world or simply collapsing, perhaps they'll fare better in the hands of those who actually do the work rather than just leech of it
Hope it's not too late and we actually have any left industries after this sorry xenophobic-created mess
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 04:59 AM

And it's apparently placing itself above the law by attacking the courts in case their judgement goes against the Coup

Freedom of speech is guaranteed by article 9 of the Bill of Rights 1689: `freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament'.

I see no ambiguity in article 9. The court case is a farce


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 04:26 AM

He was there to be seen on camera and attempted to create the impression he wasn't - that was a lie, albeit politicians lie
Doesn't make the slightest difference to the main point Mac
Having silenced Parliamentary activity at a time like this, this feller is poncing around self promoting
LOOK FAMILIAR !!!
Meanwhile his vicious supporters are shrieking when a member of the only real opposition party points out what has happened to his daughter on the very day of Johnson's visit
The black shirts would really have been on display if Labour had gotten off their bums and organised political activity to stop this insanity
I hope to christ they get their arses into gear and organise some real opposition before the cliff-edge gives way
Having been criticised for speaking to Lord Haw-Haw, I think it's times like this when they are needed to show us exactly the nature of the sewers we are having to wade through
Since when has demanding answers from your elected representatives been considered AMBUSHING, especially when it concerns the health of a member of your own family ???
THis gets sicker and sicker (as does the child, apparently
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 04:05 AM

I agree it was a photo op created to pass a message *to* the press, Jim. But if the photographers were hired by his PR staff he may have thought of them as 'my staff' rather than 'the press'. But we are talking about what might be going on in the mind of a third person, so it is obviously very uncertain. I was simply saying I could imagine a way where it is not an outrageously blatant lie, but a more human failing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 03:52 AM

And it's apparently placing itself above the law by attacking the courts in case their judgement goes against the Coup
Creepier and creepier
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 03:50 AM

It seems you are not allowed to critices Herr Johnson if you happen not to agree with him
THis gets more and more sinister
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-hospital-brexit-nhs-cuts-labour-activist-parent-whipps-cross-a9111261.html
You will only be entitled to comment on the state of hospitals if you support the New Order
This is an attept to silence all opposition - inside and outside Parliament
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 03:37 AM

It was obviously a deliberately set up photo-opportunity Mac - he wasn't at Whipps Cross visiting his mam
He was actually challenged (a more and more apt word as far as Johnson is concerned) by the irate father on why he should have been using a hospital for publicity which had caused his daughter such problems because of poor treatment
He obviously panicked and deliberately lied, saying there was no media there
Sky news showed film of the event
Whatever the level of coverage, it was a piece of self promotion held at a hospital that has obviously fallen victim to the present situation

One of the most outrageous aspects of this whole situation is that Dominic Cummings (the mover and shaker of most of this) has encouraged/ordered him to close Parliament at a time when our politicians need to be discussing a national (even international) crisis and what exactly is the self-appointed dictator of the UK doing -
Maria Callas-like diva impressions in Europe by flouncing off and refusing to talk to the press and friggin' self promotion jaunts around failing hospitals
Wonder were he's doing to hold his rallies - Trafalgar Square's far too small
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Iains
Date: 19 Sep 19 - 03:31 AM

Time for judges to butt out of politics. A reasoned argument, unlike the preceding hysterics( I read the"father" was miked up ahead of the ambush of Boris- a bit of Déjà vu methinks)


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/judgment-day-the-danger-of-courts-taking-over-politics/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WEEK%2



Sky News's tweet - ""What do you mean there's no press here ...
https://www.trendsmap.com › twitter › tweet
11 hours ago - @BorisJohnson was confronted by a Labour activist during a visit to a hospital .... Anothe ambush on behalf of the left. ... He was there visiting his critically ill daughter but ”father at the hospital with his sick daughter” ... A Labour activist who just happened to be mic'd as well ???? ... he was microphoned up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 06:29 PM

I am hardly one to leap to the defence of MR Johnson's approach to governing, and nor do I have much criticism of the parent's complaints, but on this one the PM may be being treated a little unfairly. What people are calling a lie is more likely a 'category error': when he says 'the press' he is thinking of the Telegraph, Times and the Guardian, the Mirror and the Sun, and when moving to wider media the BBC, ITV, CNN and the rest. It is press conferences and and podiums. So a few people with cameras - and I can't find out who they were - probably are not enough to count as 'the press' in his mind. For people with a less public profile, a person carrying a video camera beyond the consumer level probably says 'press' to us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 06:08 PM

Johnson sinks to new low in lying when confronted by irate parent on photo opportunity visit to hospital
Talking about his sick daughter's inadequate treatment at Whipps Cross Hospital, our gallant PM was told he has no right to use hospitals for media opportunity political gain when they are in the state they are in
JOHNSON LIED - IN FRONT OF A PRESS CAMERA - THAT THERE WAS NO MEDIA PRESENT
You really could not make this level of idiocy up - Britain really is in safe hands with these moron mental deficiants
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 01:23 PM

If it was my choice Brexit would be taken of the table and used as a the bum-wipe it deserves rot be, but that's not going to happen
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 12:40 PM

It seems to me the only way out of this is to remove non-elected minders like Cummins, allow Parliament to return asap and agree some sort of coalition, approach Europe for at least a year's stay of execution to sort our a provisional compromise with the elements which have caused the now known problems (particularly those involving the growing increase in racism), and after a long, open discussion to put to the people to see if they wish to reaffirm or withdraw their original decision
The damage and slits done to the various communities has to be a priorityn
Nobody can then say they haven't had a chance to vote based on information and experience
If the decision remains unchanged - duck
The alternative seems to be decades of disruption and conflict and an extremely damaged country
An unattainable long shot maybe, but what alternative is there ?
This nonsense has to be nipped in the bud soon
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 12:01 PM

*he talks


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 12:00 PM

There simply is no such thing, no matter how the Brexit-Brigade wish for it.

I agree, but it will not be a matter of wishing for it. It will be another promise. What's another lie, after all? Farage was at the vote in the EU today spelling out what no deal means from the EU's point of view and the consequence to the UK, but I imagine it will slip his mind when we talks to the public.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 11:19 AM

But a ‘clean break’ is nonsense, According to an ex-official of the Brexit Dept. There simply is no such thing, no matter how the Brexit-Brigade wish for it.

Another pig in a poke Dom & Dumber have sold them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 11:04 AM

Trouble is, John, every single complaint that brexiteers come up with can be dismissed in seconds

Only when they are arguments. I was talking to someone earlier today who voted remain but would support anything including no deal because she 'just wants it all over'. Yes, I know whatever path we take it won't be over for decades, but that siren call of 'get it all over with a clean break' appeals to many, I fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 11:02 AM

Not only control over non-EU immigrants, Steve. We have control over EU immigrants as well. See the Full Fact article detailing how. Once again though, our government choses not to. Nothing to do with the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 11:02 AM

Spot-on Steve. But, of course, it’ll fall on deaf Brexiteer ears.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 10:47 AM

Trouble is, John, every single complaint that brexiteers come up with can be dismissed in seconds:

"We need to take back control"... what of ? Our borders that we have got full control over when it comes to non-EU immigrants but which we don't bother to control? Our money, of which the princely sum of one percent of our GDP is actually tied up with the EU and which affords us the benefits of tariff-free trade with by far our biggest trading partner across invisible borders? Our laws, the ones having anything to do with the EU having been overwhelmingly agreed to by mutual consent - bearing in mind that our domestic laws have nothing to do with the EU and that we are free to run our lawmaking and judiciary in any way we like? Our sovereignty: any brexiteer care to tell us, in this era of May being FORCED to consult parliament and Johnson being in court for trying to bypass parliament, what "sovereignty" the EU is stealing from us?

"Ever-closer union": not without our say so. As one of the largest member states we can veto any moves in that direction that we don't like.

"There'll be a European army"...impossible whilst we're members. We've vetoed it. Of course, when we leave it'll probably happen!

"Unelected Brussels bureaucrats dictating our laws"... a profound lie. The Commissioners (a body to which we belong) suggest laws and regulations which are either adopted by common consensus or put to the ELECTED European Parliament. No unelected bureaucrat has any power to enforce new laws or regulations on anyone.

Any more for any more, brexiteers? Don't forgot to tell us how things will improve if you get your way, please! And by the way, if you want to moan about gravy trains and inefficiencies, which I heartily agree are present, don't forget to tell us how we are any better in this country now and how things will get better if we'll leave.

To quote the mighty Raggytash, and in a nutshell, any good news yet about brexit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 10:12 AM

Would this Dominic Cummings, who has been ‘given formal powers to sack Cabinet Ministers’ advisors’, be the same kind of ‘unelected bureaucrat’ that Brexiteers declared themselves so fed-up with being told what to do and when to do it by?

WTF happened to Dom & Dumber’s very own battle-cry, ‘Take Back Control’? Oh, of course - they’ve given control to...... errrrrmmmmmmm.....an ‘unelected bureaucrat’!

You couldn’t make it up. And if you did, nobody would believe it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 19 - 09:59 AM

Incidentally
THe heroic Ms Khan was sacked for her pert in the heinous crime of passing on the findings of a report which revealed that people needing vital medicines might not be able to get them when they needed them, that people whose jobs relied on a free flow of transport to and from Europe, might well find themselves out of a job within three weeks, and that anybody protesting about it could be part of a "civil disorder" problem and end up banged up in one of Johnson's new jails
Rather than being " frogmarched out of Downing Street by an armed police officer", she merits a medal for her services to humanity and those attempting to conceal such information deserve to be put in a pillory in Trafalgar Square and have excrement thrown all over them for the rest of their disgusting and miserable lives
In my opinion, of course !!!
Jim Carroll


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