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Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune

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BARD OF ARMAGH
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THE DYING LUMBERMAN
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MiriamKilmer 03 Jul 19 - 05:08 PM
GUEST,Starship 05 Jul 19 - 07:50 PM
Big Al Whittle 06 Jul 19 - 12:08 PM
GUEST,johann 07 Jul 19 - 04:48 PM
GUEST,Don Meixner 08 Jul 19 - 11:19 PM
Lighter 09 Jul 19 - 02:13 PM
Lighter 09 Jul 19 - 02:59 PM
leeneia 10 Jul 19 - 01:58 PM
Lighter 10 Jul 19 - 10:27 PM
leeneia 11 Jul 19 - 12:27 PM
GUEST,Bob Coltman 14 Jul 19 - 11:50 AM
GUEST,Bob Coltman 14 Jul 19 - 12:13 PM
GUEST,Bob Coltman 14 Jul 19 - 12:23 PM
Lighter 15 Jul 19 - 08:53 PM
GUEST,Jack Campin 16 Jul 19 - 11:33 AM
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Subject: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: MiriamKilmer
Date: 03 Jul 19 - 05:08 PM

I'm looking for the whole tune to Streets of Laredo that's currently being used on ME TV to promo Bonanza, Gunsmoke, and The Rifleman—so I can't tell which show it comes from. The singer has a magnificent voice. On the syllables "young cow"(boy), the melody goes from one octave to the one above, like a yodel. To me, the tune seems more mournful than the familiar tune, partly because it's in a minor key. Any hint appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 07:50 PM

General question: Is it possible the melody is in a mode and the singer is singing the melody as a minor?? (I spend about an hour with Mr Google and haven't come across it yet.)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 12:08 PM

I haven't seen the TV shows, but Peggy Seeger and Mike Seeger used to do a very different version.
Autoharp/guitar accompaniment.

Peggy might remember - maybe Jim Carroll has got the album with it on. He knew that lot pretty well.

Its the album with FOD and Clinch Mountain Breakdown on it. And The Romish Lady!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: GUEST,johann
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 04:48 PM

Been looking for this version myself. Haunting... I don't know why MeTV is being so secretive about the source.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: GUEST,Don Meixner
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 11:19 PM

Seeger and Macoll did a version of The Trooper Cut Down In His Prime that has a slightly different melody. Perhaps with the close familiarity of melodies to The Streets of Laredo and The Trooper Cut Down In His Prime Peggy and Ewan had the melody they used in The Trooper do double duty.

Don


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 02:13 PM

Probably not what you're looking for, but the singing and the pictures are great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a_PlG3dtl8

Are you certain the tune is minor (or modal)? I don't think I've ever heard one like that.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 02:59 PM

Come to think of it, the recorded version sung by Dick Devall in 1929 was definitely modal.

Maybe it's a cover of that.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: leeneia
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 01:58 PM

Hi, Lighter. Thanks for the link; as you say, it's beautiful.

That's the tune I learned for Streets of Laredo about 1963.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: Lighter
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 10:27 PM

Leeneia, the first stanza and chorus made up one of the first "grown-up" songs I ever learned, at the age of about 5.

It was possibly from an episode of the "Hopalong Cassidy" TV show.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: leeneia
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 12:27 PM

Hi, Miriam. You have opened a door for me to a world I never dreamed existed. I'd never heard of MeTV. Apparently it's a channel that reruns old TV shows. When I searched for "MeTV commercials" on YouTube, I found lots of them. Also, apparently, whole episodes from series.

Can you go on YouTube and find the commercial that has the song you want, then come back here and post the URL for it?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 11:50 AM

I sing a different tune to Streets of Laredo, dating back to when I first heard the Supertone recording of Ewen Hail (The Cowboy Minstrel), recorded in New York March 31, 1927, issued on Brunswick and Vocalion as well as on the record I heard, Supertone S2043.

Hail did not play an instrument; he was accompanied by Bert Hirsch and Carson Robison on fiddle and guitar, respectively. Hail also sang popular material for the Vocalion 15000 series catalog, but in this recording he sounds plenty authentic, comparable to Carl T. Sprague and Jules Allen, his best-known cowboy singing contemporaries of the 1920s. His mournful (though major-key) version is irresistible.

Luckily you can hear it on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_tHj5aGdOg
(help, someone, can you make this a blue clicky? I'm a duffer at it)

It seems likely this recording is the alternate tune discussed above. I don't know where Hail's version originated (he may be its composer), but IMO it rates a new life among traditional singers. I'm tickled to recommend it—give it a listen and see what you think.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 12:13 PM

It is worth noting that Ewen Hail's contemporary, the widely popular Vernon Dalhart, also sang a version of the Cowboy's Lament, and his tune differs from both the standard one and Hail's.

I can best describe it by saying that it's the tune I remember to:

I am a vaquero, I wear a sombrero,
...(?)... my pony is Taw,   etc

It is much more cheerful than the other Streets of Laredo tunes. Dalhart can be heard singing it on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc97GED-HB0

Bob


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 12:23 PM

OK, I should have checked out those METV versions. Here's the scoop on the promos I was able to find:

Don Gibson sings the Vernon Dalhart tune to Streets of Laredo I mentioned in the previous message.

Tom Roush sings the Lomax / Burl Ives standard Cowboy's Lament tune.

In short, no new or different tune here.

But those are the two singers that (so far as I can tell), were featured in the promos. Help, anybody knowledgeable about METV, do you know if there are other METV promo performers that sing other, different tunes to this song?

Bob


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: Lighter
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 08:53 PM

Hi, Bob.

Vance Randolph ("Ozark Folk Songs" Vol. II) collected a version of "Streets of Laredo" to the Dalhart tune as early as 1919, a decade before Dalhart's recording.

I've often wondered where the tune came from.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 11:33 AM

That Vernon Dalhart tune is helluva familiar. It's used for an entirely unrelated text in Scotland but I can't recall what just now.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 02:29 PM

Hmmm... The only song I know with 2 tunes is Master McGrath; one is Sweet Betsy from Pike, the other is hauntingly lovely.

Great thread.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Streets of Laredo alternate tune
From: Lighter
Date: 17 Jul 19 - 04:02 PM

If you think of it, Jack, please let us know.


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