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BS: If you don't like salads......

Mrrzy 14 May 19 - 08:49 PM
Helen 15 May 19 - 02:01 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 May 19 - 08:49 PM

Helen, your salad sounds yummy, but it is not a Caesar salad. Pedant, pedant [to the Pink Panther tune...]


Imma try it later!

Also raw green pepper is great as a bread substitute for sandwiches. Be careful the fillimg doesn't esvape. Put mayo etc in the middle, not on the top or bottom of the fillings.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Helen
Date: 15 May 19 - 02:01 AM

Mrrzy, if a Caesar salad has to have anchovies then I am never eating a CS again, but I will be eating my CS-inspired salad lots.

So many times I have read or seen on TV about chefs saying that the anchovies are essential and that you won't know it is there but it will make the salad dressing taste great. These chefs are obviously lovers of seafood and have possibly never conducted a blind taste test on non seafood eaters because I can tell there is anchovy from the first taste, and unfortunately that fishy, cheap day-old, catfood-in-a-can smell just stays with me for hours. Totally yuk!


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: JennieG
Date: 15 May 19 - 02:03 AM

I like a proper Caesar salad with anchovies......or, as my friend who has worked as a restaurant server calls them when she is writing down the order, "hairy fish".

Too many places here serve a salad of mixed greens - even the dreaded shredded cabbage - and shredded carrot with a quartered hard boiled egg, a few scraps of bacon, and some cut-up toast, and call it "Caesar salad". No, folks, it isn't.

A properly made Caesar salad is one of life's great joys.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 May 19 - 02:18 AM

growing lettuce as a weed eh? Hardly Rocket Science............




I'll get my trowel


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 May 19 - 05:41 AM

My "left-overs" salad for lunch tomorrow at work - baked beans, carrots, potato, paté, ham!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Long Firm Freddie
Date: 15 May 19 - 06:26 AM

A Recipe for Salad
Sydney Smith (1771–1845)

TO make this condiment your poet begs        
The pounded yellow of two hard boiled eggs;        
Two boiled potatoes, passed through kitchen sieve,        
Smoothness and softness to the salad give;        
Let onion atoms lurk within the bowl,              
And, half suspected, animate the whole;        
Of mordant mustard add a single spoon,        
Distrust the condiment that bites so soon;        
But deem it not, thou man of herbs, a fault        
To add a double quantity of salt;              
Four times the spoon with oil from Lucca crown,        
And twice with vinegar, procured from town;        
And lastly, o’er the flavored compound toss        
A magic soupçon of anchovy sauce.        
O green and glorious! O herbaceous treat!              
’T would tempt the dying anchorite to eat;        
Back to the world he ’d turn his fleeting soul,        
And plunge his fingers in the salad-bowl;        
Serenely full, the epicure would say,        
“Fate cannot harm me,—I have dined to-day.”


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 May 19 - 06:53 AM

I've no idea who's right but Wikipedia suggests that the original Caesar salad did not contain anchovies, except as an ingredient in Worcestershire sauce.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 May 19 - 12:27 PM

Just ordered some Diplotaxis tenuifolia seeds from Amazon, Steve. We only have a little garden but we do like things that we don't need to do owt with:-) Any recommendations for planting. Position, space etc. Are they happy growing amongst the flowers for instance?


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 19 - 03:36 PM

Blimey, Dave, you can buy wild rocket seeds for 50p or a quid almost everywhere! They don't need anything special, but give 'em a decent patch or two of bare soil to begin with and just chuck the seeds in. They'll grow among your flowers though they'll look a tad weedy. I don't grow anything to eat where I'm using artificial fertilisers or weedkillers or insecticides. The plants bolt quite easily but you can still use the shoots as long as they haven't gone too far. The only problem I've ever had is flea beetle, which eats tiny, neat holes in the leaves. An aesthetic issue only, and you'll still get plenty of unaffected leaves. They are jolly plants that seed themselves freely.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 May 19 - 04:36 PM

Amazon seeds. £1.99. Time taken by me, 1 minute.

Garden centre seeds 50p. Time taken by me. 30 minutes.

My half hour is worth more than £1.49, Steve :-D

Besides, there is the diesel and how much the Mrs will spend when we get there! I think I got the better bargain.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Jos
Date: 15 May 19 - 04:50 PM

Sydney Smith's recipe seems to be for a salad dressing rather than for the salad itself. The salad is just assumed - as being something "green" and "herbaceous".


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 May 19 - 02:47 PM

Woostersooster sauce has anchovies? No wonder. And the hairy fish aren't supposed to be in the salad but in the dressing.

I also prefer 1:1 oil to vinegar but that's me.

Great poem. Onion atoms indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 May 19 - 03:43 PM

...Make a stew - my poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, on "One-Pot Cooking"


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Helen
Date: 16 May 19 - 04:22 PM

I never knew that Worcestershire sauce contained anchovies, but I have never had a problem with that sauce, or even Asian fish sauce in moderation, so the fermentation process must break down the day-old catfood-in-a-can smell a lot.

Bonzo3legs said: My "left-overs" salad for lunch tomorrow at work - baked beans, carrots, potato, paté, ham!!!!!!

Baked beans like Heinz canned bb's or a home made, totally different dish? My first image was a salad with Heinz bb's which is a bit of a mind blast, so maybe more info is needed to clarify what sort of bb's you are referring to.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 19 - 06:10 PM

Apropos of anchovies, I should like to make a wider point. The whole thing about ingredients, especially assertive ones such as chillies, garlic, anchovies and some herbs (rosemary being a bit of a bête noire with me, and coriander with Mrs Steve), is that a skilled cook will always use them to enhance the flavour depth of a dish, never to make them the point of the thing. I'm the only person in my extended family that loves anchovy as a flavour, but they still all devour my Italian lamb stew, which would be a shadow of itself sans anchovies. But the last thing you would ever think about it is that it "tastes of anchovies." Same with my whore's spaghetti. My ragù bolognese contains a lot more garlic that most recipes call for but the garlic I put in is bashed with my fist and chucked in in big pieces, NEVER minced with a crusher (the worst kitchen tool ever invented), the result being a subtle and sweet addendum to the dish, never a massive bad-breath-for-days garlicky hit. For the same reason I will never use dried basil, as that inevitably produces a massively-unsubtle basil hit that is miles away from the real basil flavour. By the way, I use rosemary a lot, especially with roast lamb and with Mediterranean-style roast potatoes, and Mrs Steve cheerily devours lots of coriander in every curry we enjoy. So there you go, anchovy-haters!


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 May 19 - 10:12 AM

Coriander fine; cilantro eeeeeeeeeew.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: leeneia
Date: 17 May 19 - 12:32 PM

If you don't like salads:

Chop up one stalk brocolli
Nuke for four minutes, let cool
Drain

In another bowl, whisk the following

2 T nice veg. oil
1 T lemon or lime juice
1/2 t dried dill weed
a little pepper
1/4 t garlic powder, optional

Pour the dressing over the broccoli. Cover and let marinate in the fridge for at least a few hours.

Eat instead of salad for as long as it lasts.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 17 May 19 - 01:46 PM

Really nice Carribean salads (courtesy of Levi Roots and no doubt others). Avocado, Mango, red onion, chili, thyme etc. You can put lettuce in, but its not compulsory.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 17 May 19 - 01:49 PM

What are you on about Mrrzy? Cilantro is Spanish for Coriander. You maybe like seeds better than leaves, or the other way round, but its the same thing, and the word is a direct translation.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 May 19 - 12:49 PM

Same plant but so are nutmeg and mace (as each other). Coriander is the seeds. Cilantro is the stems and leaves. So yeah, coriander fine, cilantro eeeeew. It's a genetic thing .


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 May 19 - 01:18 PM

I also used to think that Brisling sardines were "bristling" eg were mad at being tinned.
The coriander seeds v. cilantro leaves may be American. In my teens (overseas) it was all coriander, sometimes the leaves were Chinese parsley.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 May 19 - 03:05 PM

No, they are both names for the whole plant, Coriandrum Sativum. Cilantro is just a Spanish translation. I have lived in Spain, I know very well that any part of Coriandrum Sativum is sold there as Cilantro.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 May 19 - 03:20 PM

Nutmeg and mace indeed come from the same plant (Myristica Fragrans), often you can buy the seed whole so you break the mace off from the outside, then break the covering of the nut to get at the nutmeg inside. It has to be well dried before you can do this.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Helen
Date: 18 May 19 - 03:41 PM

Mrrzy is right. It is a genetic thing. Scientifically proven. I didn't realise it is only the plant leaves and stems and not the seeds. I had assumed it was all of the plant.

It's only called coriander in Oz, so if someone here asked if you would like coriander in your Thai curry you would have to ask them to clarify whether they mean the seeds only or the whole plant. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Iains
Date: 18 May 19 - 04:20 PM

Bagged salads can present a slight risk of food poisoning, despite being washed with chlorinated water. It is probably a good accompaniment with chlorinated chicken, and best washed down with a glass of chlorinated tap water.
If put off by the above, beware the links below!


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-salmonella-bagged-salads/bagged-salads-may-encourage-salmonella-growth-idUSKBN13O2VM

https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/bagged-salads-pose-salmonella-risk-say-researchers/


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 May 19 - 05:25 PM

Yeah, just the leaves. Interesting that Murricans but not Brits distinguish the 2... Helpful to us mutants.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Neil D
Date: 18 May 19 - 06:40 PM

Crouton or not crouton?


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 May 19 - 02:49 AM

I'll drink a toast to that!


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 19 May 19 - 07:46 AM

In the UK, and in Australia, you can buy Coriander as a fairly young plant in a pot, and I used to just use the leaves of this, but its better to use the whole plant, leaves, stalks and roots, just wash the soil off. Some south east asian recipes I find ask explicitly for Coriander root, and I havn't seen this on sale. Normally would just blitz a whole plant. Or you can buy coriander seeds in a jar (or ground if you don't have a spice grinder), these obviously come from a much more mature plant. The recipes I use (which mostly come from British of Australian TV chefs), if they are of south east Asian origin are far less likely to use the seeds than the young plant. If they are of Indian origin they may use the seeds as well as the plant. In Spain (specifically the Canary Islands where I lived for a while) you are more likely to use the leaves and stalks, but seeds are used.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 May 19 - 10:21 AM

No croutons in salad, but I like them as a snack like fritos or something. Bugles.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 May 19 - 07:39 PM

I like the homemade Caesar Salad dressing
served at the Legal SeaFoods restaurants here in
the northeastern US.

Don't know if the A-word ingredient is in there.
I also tell them
to leave off the little hairy fishies.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 May 19 - 12:09 PM

Haha "homemade" on a restaurant menu always makes me laugh.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Thompson
Date: 22 May 19 - 02:50 PM

If you want exactly-right avocados, one way is to buy them frozen (Aldi does them) and thaw as much as you need overnight.

My go-to salad has avocado, lettuce or rocket, sweet cherry tomatoes, capers, very finely sliced shallot or if not available, onion but not much, a thick vinaigrette often made with rapeseed oil, Dijon mustard and white wine vinegar shaken the bejasus out of to emulsify it, and a scatter of just-toasted pine nuts. And a sprinkle of either fine-chopped parsley or fine-chopped fresh dill.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Jos
Date: 22 May 19 - 03:10 PM

'"homemade" on a restaurant menu' is at least harmless.
What I find really alarming is packets of 'hand cooked' crisps - the thought of anyone stirring the boiling oil with their hands is horrendous.


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 May 19 - 03:26 PM

Hee hee they have those gloves now to allow you to reach into boiling stuff... Someone gave my mom a pair and several months later we are in her kitchen and she hands them to me and asks me to fetch something out of the boiling so I do and she says, all surprised, oh, they work!


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Subject: RE: BS: If you don't like salads......
From: Helen
Date: 23 May 19 - 06:28 PM

My other favourite salad is Greek salad, with tomatoes, olives, cucumber, capsicum and feta cheese with a lemon juice & olive oil dressing. I know the classic Greek salad does have raw red onion and doesn't have lettuce but I like it with cos lettuce and/or baby spinach leaves and/or rocket and if I have to have the raw onion I do my Mum's trick of premarinating it in a bit of nice tasting vinegar or lemon juice to get rid of the repetition problem.

I always have a tub of feta in the frig. My other fave use for it is making spanakopita or tiropita, or I use it in my vege faux-sausage rolls and the filling is based on mashed chick peas or butter or white beans with whatever vege flavours take my fancy. The most unusual experiment I did was inspired by saag paneer, but using feta for a bigger savoury taste. There are very few foods that I find irresistible but sausage rolls are close to the top of the list, so my bean or chick pea based sausage roll filling is a good substitute.


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