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Ireland's Favourite Folk Song

gillymor 23 Jun 19 - 02:13 PM
GUEST 23 Jun 19 - 01:39 PM
gillymor 23 Jun 19 - 12:26 PM
GUEST 23 Jun 19 - 12:04 PM
GUEST 23 Jun 19 - 10:41 AM
GUEST,jim bainbridge 23 Jun 19 - 09:27 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 23 Jun 19 - 06:00 AM
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Joe Offer 22 Jun 19 - 04:51 PM
GUEST,patriot 22 Jun 19 - 03:40 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 22 Jun 19 - 09:37 AM
GUEST,Father Fluffybottom 22 Jun 19 - 07:04 AM
GUEST,patriot 22 Jun 19 - 04:59 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 20 Jun 19 - 09:36 AM
GUEST 20 Jun 19 - 09:33 AM
Tattie Bogle 19 Jun 19 - 02:24 PM
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Joe Offer 19 Jun 19 - 01:54 AM
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GUEST,Peter Laban 08 May 19 - 01:47 PM
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GUEST,Martin Ryan 06 May 19 - 10:26 AM
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GUEST,Martin Ryan 06 May 19 - 08:49 AM
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Thompson 06 May 19 - 03:30 AM
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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 02:13 PM

I can't say I know what MacGowan was thinking when he wrote "A Pair of Brown Eyes" but I'm pretty sure that the main subject matter was not London, though it may have been the setting.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 01:39 PM

Thousands are sailing, I'll give you. Phil Chevron was that rare thing, an Irish pogue and the song is about Irish people, albeit used in The USA.

A pair of brown eyes was written by Shane McGowan, an English lad writing a song about London.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 12:26 PM

If I had a vote it would be for
Siúil A Rún
Arthur McBride (aka Arthur McBride and the Recruiting Sargeant)
Black Waterside
A Pair of Brown Eyes
Thousands Are Sailing (the Pogues composition, not the traditional one)

ahead of anything on the RTE list, which does contain some very fine songs.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 12:04 PM

God help us...


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 10:41 AM

Any song about being American, preferably sung by Daniel O'Donnell or any Irish singer into country and western.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 09:27 AM

I heard John Bownan's excellent archive programme this morning which included an item about 'Raglan Road' featuring Luke Kelly and PJ Kavanagh singing his own poem/song.


Interestingly, Bowman referred to the song as having won the competition for Ireland's Favourite Song. NO MENTION of the F word- was he wrong or just avoiding any controversy ?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 06:00 AM

RTE was quite specifically looking for 'Ireland's favourite folksong' and I think given that context it's sound to apply the usual distinction, as it is common in Ireland, between 'folk' and 'traditional' song/singers.

For every day use I think it's safe to assume we all think more in more general terms of 'songs' and singers' without necessarily applying the genre bracket.

But there seems to be a noticeable re-emergence of the F-word here in the past year or so, or am I the only one in thinking that?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 04:33 AM

"I think in the early days we WOULD have described such as Joe Heaney & Paddy Tunney as folksingers, just like Tom Paxton or Alex Campbell, or Christy Moore for that matter".

You might have, but not in Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 04:51 PM

It seems stupid to argue about this. People voted for their favorites - and quite likely, their favorites are not going to be performances from fifty or more years ago. If you have a different favorite, that's good - do your best to promote your own choice instead of denigrating the choices of others. Promoting Joe Heaney & Paddy Tunney is a great idea, and a poll such as this gives that an opportunity.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 03:40 PM

I think in the early days we WOULD have described such as Joe Heaney & Paddy Tunney as folksingers, just like Tom Paxton or Alex Campbell, or Christy Moore for that matter-


We've all got much more sophisticated now but under the old naivety?? we had, we didn't make daft distinctions- it just didn't matter, a far healthier attitude I'd say


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 09:37 AM

In the sense that very few people in Ireland would have referred to Josie Sheáin Jeaic MacDonncha as a 'folksinger' or to Ronnie Drew or Andy Irvine as 'traditional' ones.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Father Fluffybottom
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:04 AM

"Traditional" songs are "folk" songs.
Not all "folk" songs are "traditional".


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 04:59 AM

So 'traditional' songs are not 'folk' and hence excluded from this competition?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 09:36 AM

'ten decent songs, but folk?'

Taking into consideration the common distinction (in Ireland) between 'folk' and 'traditional', yes.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 09:33 AM

ten decent songs, but folk?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 02:24 PM

Just back from a visit to N Ireland, including Derry/Londonderry, where there are some of the lyrics of "The Town I Loved So Well" on the information boards on the Walls of Derry/Londonderry, and the guide in the Presbyterian Church also quoted from them.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:59 AM

Raglan Road


You're right. I read it wrong. -Joe-


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:54 AM

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, the choice was "The Parting Glass":

The "short list" before the final vote, is a very nice selection of songs:
    https://www.rte.ie/culture/folk-song/
  • Danny Boy
  • On Raglan Road
  • The Foggy Dew
  • The Town I Loved So Well
  • The Parting Glass
  • Óró Sé Do Bheatha Abhaile
  • The Green Fields of France
  • Only a Woman's Heart
  • A Rainy Night in Soho
  • Rocky Road to Dublin

It's fun to have a vote like this, but I suppose it's hard on those who can only think in absolutes.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 19 - 12:08 PM

Ryan Tubridy is going to announce "Ireland's Favourite Folk Song" ??!!

Things just got dramatically worse.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 08 May 19 - 01:47 PM

From the website:

'Voting closes at 6pm on 27th May. The folk song selected by you as Ireland’s Favourite Folk Song will be announced live on The Late Late Show on RTÉ One Television on 31st May. Between now and then: happy listening!'


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,guest of 09.05 today
Date: 08 May 19 - 12:18 PM

I think the whole thing is crazy but still curious- when is the final result known- earlier posts are not clear at all...


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 May 19 - 12:10 PM

I'll vote for My Lagan Love or The Lark in the Clear Air. Also She Moved Through the Fair. (I dig mixolydian.) O'Carolan is high on my list too.

Can there be a favorite song elected by the Irish people? I would tend to doubt it.

There are so many beautiful Irish songs that it would be like trying to pick out the most beautiful looking person in the world.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 08 May 19 - 09:05 AM

'Do we understand that the 'Foggy Dew' is Ireland's favourite folk song'?'

I am not sure we understand the whole thing at all. What I do know is that the voting process is still in progress. But I say that without having followed much of it at all.



Ireland's Favourite Folksong


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 19 - 08:58 AM

Do we understand that the 'Foggy Dew' is Ireland's favourite folk song'?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Niamh Bird
Date: 07 May 19 - 07:42 AM

Interesting thread – though goes off topic....Song for Ireland was made famous in Ireland by the great Mary Black, and it’s sung quite a lot – still…. Generally it’s not known it was written by an English man….
And in The Foggy Dew (great rendition by Daoirí Farrell), the verse he sings mentions Perfidious Albion - Daoirí would never, ever change the words to suit himself, he has too much respect for the tradition....


oh the night fell black and the rifle's crack
made perfidious Albion reel
mid the leaded rail seven tongues of flame
did shine o're the lines of steel
by each shining blade a prayer was said
that to Ireland her sons be true
when the morning broke still the war flag shook
out its fold on the foggy dew


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 06 May 19 - 10:26 AM

Indeed, Jim! I get good value out of announcing that I’m going to sing “The Fields of Athenry” - and launch into (my version of) the song John Flanagan wrote as a response to the original!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 19 - 10:13 AM

I sang 'Foggy Dew' last night at our local singing session
I love the puzzled expression on people's faces when you introduce the song and apparently proceed to singing something totally different
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 06 May 19 - 08:49 AM

"...puts my teeth right on edge, because the singer has changed the words to suit himself... "

Isn't that what traditional singers do - sometimes consciously, more often not? As a quick example, just think of "Off to Dublin in the Green" - a rewrite of a British Army recruiting song!

In the end, of course, it's the listeners who decide what survives...

Regards


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 May 19 - 05:06 AM

could it be perfidious avon , in honour of avon reps


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Thompson
Date: 06 May 19 - 03:30 AM

The version of The Foggy Dew they've chosen puts my teeth right on edge, because the singer has changed the words to suit himself. Did I really hear "perfidious Avion"?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Connie O'Hayden
Date: 03 May 19 - 03:04 PM

https://youtu.be/uvsvPidMLT8


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Iains
Date: 03 May 19 - 02:25 PM

Do you think the parting glass was half empty or half full?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 03 May 19 - 01:56 PM

Bob Roberts' "Foggy Dew"? Ha-ha Guest, but not, to be sure, to be sure!
Better than Peter Pears, anyhow!


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 May 19 - 10:37 AM

When I was in Ireland everybody sang Red is the Rose but laughed at any of our requests, all too old apparently.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 May 19 - 10:26 AM

probably - its about a bloke who's hoovered up all the drink. but now its his round so he bids you all goodnight.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 03 May 19 - 10:13 AM

Isn't The Parting Glass actually a Scottish song?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Iains
Date: 03 May 19 - 07:50 AM

Having just seen the shortlist, how many are actually folk songs sensu stricto?
On Raglan Road
Green Fields of France
Rainy Night in Soho
The Foggy Dew
The Town I Loved So Well
Óró Sé Do Bheatha Bhaile
Danny Boy
The Parting Glass
The Rocky Road to Dublin
A Woman's Heart


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 19 - 05:05 AM

Don't know what stage this competition is at nor how it's decided. Nor any interest really- just curious about the answer.

Ireland has the best and the worst of songs & music as far as I'm concerned- certainly it isn't the lost world of music promoted by some
posters on mudcat, CCE and Bord Failte
'Song for Ireland' promotes an image which is very rare these days-- there's an awful lot of crap & suspect that aspect will emerge as the winner?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 01 May 19 - 06:17 PM

Hi Thompson!

Re "Song for Ireland"... I've heard it sung pretty regularly for a number of years at sessions - often, but by no means only, by visiting English singers.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 19 - 02:07 PM

the Bob Roberts version?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 06:09 PM

It's the Foggy Dew.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 05:45 AM

There's no such thing.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 05:38 AM

so what IS Ireland's favourite folksong after all this?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 05:34 AM

I like the song The Rocky Road To Dublin but do these producers/panel really think that The Rocky Road to Dublin is more popular in Ireland than either The Fields of Athenry or The Wild Rover, neither of which seem to be included in the list.
I would contend that you'd be far more likely to hear The Fields of Athenry or The Wild Rover being sung by an average Joe than The Rocky Road To Dublin.
Maybe the panel thought those two songs were too 'common'?


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 05:31 AM

I don't think I've heard Song for Ireland sung in Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 03:11 AM

"is this the fault of CCE jim"
Doubt it Dick - not enough money or kudos for them to bother
Jim


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: olddude
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 05:29 PM

Wild rover


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Andy7
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 05:14 PM

Andy7's Favourite Folk Song Competition:

First I'll make a shortlist of my 10 favourite folk songs.

Then I'll whittle them down, one at a time, until there's just one left.

That will be my favourite folk song.


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 04:44 PM

is this the fault of CCE jim


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Subject: RE: Ireland's Favourite Folk Song
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 03:52 PM

Also crossed my mind as a strong contender,and surprised not to see it in the list. Mary Black's version for me!


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