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BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero

Iains 18 Apr 19 - 03:17 AM
Iains 18 Apr 19 - 10:42 AM
Steve Shaw 18 Apr 19 - 11:01 AM
BobL 19 Apr 19 - 03:19 AM
Iains 19 Apr 19 - 03:43 AM
G-Force 19 Apr 19 - 05:25 AM
Iains 19 Apr 19 - 05:43 AM
punkfolkrocker 19 Apr 19 - 08:06 AM
David Carter (UK) 19 Apr 19 - 08:06 AM
Dave the Gnome 20 Apr 19 - 06:44 AM
punkfolkrocker 20 Apr 19 - 07:29 AM
Iains 20 Apr 19 - 07:56 AM
Iains 20 Apr 19 - 08:22 AM
Donuel 20 Apr 19 - 09:54 AM
Dave the Gnome 20 Apr 19 - 10:51 AM
Iains 20 Apr 19 - 12:46 PM
punkfolkrocker 20 Apr 19 - 03:00 PM
Donuel 21 Apr 19 - 11:17 AM
punkfolkrocker 21 Apr 19 - 11:55 AM
Mr Red 22 Apr 19 - 03:38 AM
Donuel 22 Apr 19 - 03:20 PM
Thompson 23 Apr 19 - 03:35 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 19 - 06:26 AM
punkfolkrocker 23 Apr 19 - 07:41 AM
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Iains 23 Apr 19 - 11:35 AM
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Subject: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 03:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDEnxNQTZrg

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-16/more-than-100-arrests-amid-london-climate-change-protests/

Should the man in the video clip be regarded as a fool or be taken seriously?
Do the crowds have valid reasons to protest?
Is there a better way of getting their message across?
Is bringing parts of London to a standstill a legitimate way to protest?

My view is that the buffoon should have never been given airtime and the protestors should be introduced to the water cannons purchased by the nice Mr Boris.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 10:42 AM

A crying shame the water cannon that Boris thoughtfully provided were sold off before they could be deployed to good use.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 11:01 AM

Troll thread. Please ignore.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: BobL
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 03:19 AM

There's too much ignorance already.

The signs are that we - or rather, our grandchildren and the generations following - are likely to be faced with a situation that "disruption" doesn't begin to describe. And it won't be alleviated by governments acting in mere national interests.

The action has to start somewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 03:43 AM

Messages sent on Whatsapp are calling for protesters to turn their attention to the UK's busiest airport during one of the busiest times of the year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/HeathrowAirport

Police are being diverted from "core local duties" that keep London safe by the Extinction Rebellion protesters, Scotland Yard has said.

More than 500 people have been arrested since Monday, including three charged with gluing themselves to a train.

Police rest days have been cancelled over the bank holiday, as more than 1,000 officers are deployed in London.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47974244

However according to the trendy left, to highlight the disruption and costs created by these ecoloons is simply trolling!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: G-Force
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 05:25 AM

I've got to go to Heathrow to pick up my daughter, who is flying in from America. Which bit of this activity are they objecting to?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 05:43 AM

G-Force it all seems rather fluid. Now had it been a brexit protest protesters would have been banged up faster than you could say tommy robinson. It makes you wonder?


https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1116290/heathrow-airport-terminal-lhr-london-protest-today-protesters-disruption-lates


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 08:06 AM

Iains - "However according to the trendy left, to highlight the disruption and costs created by these ecoloons is simply trolling!"

no.. that was just one individual person..

"Now had it been a brexit protest protesters would have been banged up faster than you could say tommy robinson"

so tell us, when was the last time 500 brexit/tommy protesters were swiftly rounded up and arrested...???


.. someone has a tendency to grossly exagerate 'facts'...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 08:06 AM

Brexit protesters who disrupted people's lives by driving at 20Mph on the M62 and A30 don't seemed to have been "banged up faster than you could say Tommy Robinson". But the Saj presumably sympathises with them, so thats OK.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 06:44 AM

The term 'ecoloon' is simply a way of trying to provoke reaction, PFR. As is 'remoaner', 'trendy left' and 'abbotopamus'. I know you have said before that you will talk to anyone but this particular troll really should be ignored.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 07:29 AM

DtG - I need antagonists to keep my mind exercised...

Otherwise it'd a boring life of pointless petty bickering with folks I mostly agree with...


Though on a more serious note, even in my most radical lefty 20s
I could sit down and engage in conversation with young NF supporters
over a works canteen bacon breakfast...

WE all got to at least try to start looking for a glimmer of positivity
with 'the other side' sometime somewhere...

Can't just ignore 'em and pretend they don't exist...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 07:56 AM

The term 'ecoloon' is simply a way of trying to provoke reaction, PFR. As is 'remoaner', 'trendy left' and 'abbotopamus'. I know you have said before that you will talk to anyone but this particular troll really should be ignored
Typical lefty. Do as I say, not as I do.
The hypocrisy is laughable!

Quite happy to see people labelled as brexshitter racists though.

Some just look for excuses to be offended and label any counter view as trolling.

Calling them eco terrorists is probably a bit strong at this point, but that a bunch of middle class idiots think they can inflict their views on everyone smacks of rabid socialism. Not for me-thankyou! Ecoloon is a very mild description. Try asking all the Londoners that have been disrupted by their actions whaty they call them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 08:22 AM

Jeremy Corbyn’s brother calls climate protesters ‘deranged’


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecological or Green Hero
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 09:54 AM

Democrats are currently called traitors by Trump. Iains will be delighted when certain political parties are banned and suppressed, just like Hitler did. This of course would damage the USA.

The Kremlin backed troll farms in St. Petersberg are proud they have weaponized words and setting race and climate issues on fire.

I see its time you want to terrify unwashed people against a group of scientists who actually want to improve Earth and reverse climate change.

Having a foil to exercise the mind is best done hypothetically since the real voice of evil may want you dead or in the hands of authorites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 10:51 AM

I agree entirely about talking to the "opposition" PFR but encouraging someone who is only here to sew dissent and cannot even piece a coherent argument together without resorting to playground abuse is, in my opinion, a different kettle of fish. If you want to exercise your brain properly there are many on here who will provide you all the argument you want on a much more adult level. By encouraging the troll you are only making the place less pleasant for everyone else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 12:46 PM

What size needles do you use to sew dissent?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 03:00 PM

I'm back.. PC crash and update maintenance chores...

Here's odd.. I was just typing the last word of a long reply here,
when my PC froze...

Donny - What was that then - the Russians.. CIA.. inter-dimensional space aliens..???

..maybe just a bleedin' obvious flakey software/RAM conflict..??

oooh.. the mysteries of the internet...????

The mrs is home from a visit to her family now, so the almost serious reply I intended may be some time...


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Subject: RE: BS: Echo loons at sunset - beautiful
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 19 - 11:17 AM

Recent measurments reveal that there are no more than 4 dimensions in the Plank level and macro universe. Sci Fi writers everywhere are disappointed.

When some people are left to their own devices they become more vulnerable to obvious mind, attitude and belief control, Putin gloats.

As a hypnotist since I was 23 I learned quite a bit about mind control.
I have forgotten more about mind control than most people ever learn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Apr 19 - 11:55 AM

Donny - When I was in my 20s my Doctor sent me to a hypnotist..
I was open minded and receptive to new/different ideas..

After all I'd been enthusiastic to experiment with mushrooms and opiated black hash in my teens...

So I sat there relaxing in the tranquility of the situation while Mr Hypno did his thing..
and waited.. and waited.. and waited.. until nothing happened..

apart from the hypnotist getting more and more frustrated.. and irritable..

..then giving up in failure and tetchily blaming me for being unco-operative and the wrong kind of subject..
That bloke obviously needed to chill out more..

Well that was a wastes of time, but I bet he still billed the National Health Service...

That was in Bristol where I met my mrs and was for most of my 20s
deeply immersed in one of the most alternative culture cities in England..

Think permanent Glastonbury Festival, but in bricks and concrete...

We'd move back in a flash, but it's too expensive now for ordinary folks to live there..

Expect many of the London protesters to have some connection with Bristol...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Apr 19 - 03:38 AM

Messages sent on Whatsapp are calling for protesters to turn their attention to the UK's busiest airport during one of the busiest times of the year.

DRONE ALERT!

But seriously, the only time politicians will listen is when it gets right up their noses. I point you to the Great Stink when parliament had to put rags soaked in disinfectant at the windows as the politicians debated how to screw more money from the poor. All of a sudden money was found for Joseph Bazalgette's sewers.

We can have agitation now and disrupt the greedy London commuters who travel 2 hours to work. Or we can have the slow decent into hotter summers, heavier downpours despite sporadic droughts. Food that won't grow in the droughts and heat, with prices to match. Asthma. And gawd knows what else awaits, until politicians' daughters start dying prematurely. Then we will see action.

And the clock still won't turn back. WE will see it in miniature (a relative term) in our time, but children and grandkids etc will have to deal with the real consequences. Any wonder that kids today are protesting? Good on them, I say. But it won't be good for them.

We have to start somewhere, somehow, and politicians only respond to the ballot box and personal discomfort. The real problem is global, a tougher ask for any agitators. However, in the UK, I predict the political landscape will now be far more fragmented and the smaller, greener groups will have a bigger say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mr Red on Earth Day
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 19 - 03:20 PM

Mr. Red I seldom read posts about your outrage caused by the idiot politicians who are full of sound and fury signifying nothing, but its the truth.
They have to be narcicists to be politicians but few are deservedly so. Even fewer have a command of information and knowledge of diverse science, relgions and gestalt solution creation.

This is partly why one executive is always faster but far more flawed and wrong than the collective 'whole'.

I don't have a solution but I bet it would be closer to ultra democracy and farther from AI or popularity contests.
Having enough information to build on is the problem or its just garbage in garbage out.

I sound out of line when I say "Politics by poll is a GOOD thing."
In this day and age , mind control, fake information and survival of the fittest lie, polls are just measurements of propoganda success rates.




pfr 2o% Don't respond to waking hypnosis. I usually made sure people knew something happened by an action or by selectively causing an amnesia that would dissolve upon a reminder after writting a summary of their entire experience. The first 3 sessions were for practice and familiarity with a desired result. Creating a custom solution or strategy came later.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Thompson
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 03:35 AM

Or we can have the slow decent into hotter summers, heavier downpours despite sporadic droughts. Food that won't grow in the droughts and heat, with prices to match. Asthma. And gawd knows what else awaits, until politicians' daughters start dying prematurely. Then we will see action.

Except it won't be slow. And it'll be too late for action.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 06:26 AM

I'm sitting in my garden basking with my shirt off in the sun. I live at the Atlantic seaside where the sea temperature is 10C. For the sixth day in a row the air temperature is exceeding 23 degrees. It could make 26 today, 80F in dollars. The same thing happened last April, when we had one day in excess of 27 degrees, almost unprecedented, but it's happening again just a year later. The average high for late April here is around 13. This year we had ridiculous high temperatures for a week in February too. All the pelargoniums I planted out last summer have survived the winter. We've had nothing below a brief minus 2C on two nights, and that was in late October. Last year we had one of those endless summers. Still, that's just Bude. Doesn't stop me worrying though. I'm with the warrior peaceniks, feeling full of guilt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 07:41 AM

I still haven't recovered fully from last years's heat wave..

A few years from now I'm convinced it won't be hypererthermia finishing me off...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecolology or Green Hypocrits
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 10:20 AM

Heat kills far more often than cold.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 11:35 AM

The statistics in the UK clearly show increased death rates as the temperature falls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 11:41 AM

Iains - that's quaint old fashioned pre-global warming weather mortality rates...

Now the smog has lifted, we've reached a stage where Brits
can actually recognise and name that strange glowing hot ball in the sky...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 01:13 PM

PFR The last London peasouper was in 1962. I was there.
Strictly speaking the cold mortality rates were/are caused by fuel poverty.People tend to die indoors, therefore it is indoor temperatures that are significant. Doing your bit to reduce carbon emissions can kill you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Thompson
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 04:20 AM

We're the equivalent today of the people living in Italy and France and Romania and so on in around 430 who were smiling confidently as they looked around their villas and said "Rome in danger? The greatest empire ever on this earth could never fall! Phooey! Another cup of Falernian, please, slave."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 04:25 AM

Doing your bit to reduce carbon emissions can kill you.

And not doing your bit kills others. Ever heard of layers? Its the body temperature that is important, not the room per se.

FWIW temperatures below 18 degC cause problems by thickening the blood. (an arbitrary threshold but experts agree on that as a sensible compromise). With global warming we may yet lick that problem in the UK.

And temperatures above 40 degC all year round make the location uninhabitable. And there are places on this planet that have reached that point within the last decade. They are more numerous too over that brief meteorological timeframe. But once you are down to the sweaty skin/evaporation - there are no more layers to remove!

Technology will come to the rescue, just like the motorcar solved the horseshit problem in Lundun, innit? But what technology can address the obesity crisis? Food shortages/prices?

To answer the OP. Green Heroes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 05:26 AM

2017 annual provisional emissions results
TransportIn 2017, carbon dioxide emissions from the transport sector, at 124.4Mt, accounted for 34per cent of all carbon dioxide emissions.Emissions were broadly unchanged from2016.Emissions from this sector are similar to 1990 levels. Road transport is the most significant source of emissions in this sector, in particular passenger cars.Emissions from passenger cars have decreased since the early 2000s due to lower petrol consumption outweighing an increase in diesel consumption3and,more recently, improvements in fuel efficiency of both petrol and diesel cars. However, since 2013 there has been a small increase in emissions due to an increase in vehicle kilometres travelled5.

Forcing private cars off the road would make a significant reduction in emissions. I do not see it happening just yet though.

1990 594.1 MtCO2e    2017 (prov)366.9 MtCO2e


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 07:51 AM

UK cities - I've lived in Leeds, Bradford, Bristol, and London..

I walked or cycled anywhere I needed to go in all* but London.
Obviously the Tube and night busses were essential
because the outskirts were only where I could afford to live.
But in the centre I walked.
Back then I stayed fit and healthy...

[*In Leeds I only needed a bus to get across the city to work and back...]

I'm now fat with reduced mobility due to arthritic feet and knees,
but still walk as much as possible in our medium sized town.

Private cars should for the most part be banned from city and town centres...
Apart from special needs and emergencies...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 09:30 AM

Perhaps foreign holidays should be banned as well and the importation of out of season fruits and vegetables. But their are swathes of the third world where even an electric light is an unobtainable luxury and access to clean water. All these things come at a carbon cost. As does the transportation and disposable water bottles of the ecoloons.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/695930/2017_Provisional_Emission


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 09:37 AM

"Perhaps foreign holidays should be banned as well and the importation of out of season fruits and vegetables"

Iains - if you think so.. maybe it's at least worth debate...

..but here my concern is primarily the adverse effects of private cars in UK city and town centres...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 09:45 AM

stuck in neutral again?

Iain you need to get laid
or go clean up some plastic.
Ride a bike
It'll do you good

your link stinks


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 10:38 AM

There is a lot of addled thinking masquerading as ecoensense.

Take HS2 here in the UK. A modern rail line that will lop 20 minutes off a 2.5 hour journey, neglecting the fact that the station will not be on your doorstep. So the argument goes, it will reduce air travel within the country. I never heard anyone flying from Lundun to Brumagem. Or even Manchester. And escalating costs (and infrastructure carbon footprint mirrors that) make the financial argument look pretty stupid.

I do wonder how much carbon it uses to protest, and how much more to attend court hundreds of miles from home. But then ya can't make omelettes without having a crack at it, as they say................


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 01:05 PM

PDFs quite often fail to make alink for some reason. Try:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/695930/2017_Provisional_Emissions_statistics_2.pdf

Mweanwhile as we move away from coal fired power, In China - Building work has restarted at hundreds of Chinese coal-fired power stations, according to an analysis of satellite imagery. ... The report says that at present China has 993 gigawatts of coal power capacity, but the approved new plants would increase this by 25%.(Sept 2018)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 03:05 PM

ONE OF IAINS'S "ECOLOONS"
AND THESE PRECOCIOUS LITTLE BRATS
"Iain you need to get laid "
Do you hate women that much Don !!
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Thompson
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 06:02 PM

Who says he's talking about women?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 07:00 PM

..or even flesh and blood life forms...

Is Donny that convinced Iains is an AI Bot...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: John P
Date: 25 Apr 19 - 05:49 PM

People who complain about protesters should read some history. In the United States at least, protests ended the Viet Nam war, gave women the vote, made racial discrimination illegal (nominally at least), and made gay people legal. The idiots who run things don't pay attention unless a lot of people are making a lot of noise. Facts, logic and morality don't get the job done, probably because so many politicians are liars and bribe takers who are more concerned with maintaining their power than with actually doing good in the world.

Climate change deniers have gone from being pitifully stupid and ignorant to being actively dangerous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 03:33 AM

We'd move back in a flash, but it's too expensive now for ordinary folks to live there..

Come to Stroud. More alternative, and cheaper. Lower crime rate, and Folk Clubs, Sessions and a Folk Festival 20-22 Sept (Wassail in Jan).
3 markets - one an award winning Farmers' Market. And not a few hills. But there is an electric bike shop. And only 20 miles from the areal of Brisel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 03:51 AM

"People who complain about protesters should read some history."
They should indeed
The Anti apartheid movement and boycott movement helped overturn that regime - I'm proud to remember
The privatised water industry in Ireland has been defeated twice over its attempts to instal water meters
Protest is a powerful weapon

"AI Bot"
Intelligence - surely not ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 06:51 AM

Then there was people power getting shot of the Marcos regime in the Philippines...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 06:51 AM

Poll tax...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 11:30 AM

Loud and proud Stroud sounds like a place I'd like to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 11:38 AM

Come friendly bombs and fall on Stroud
The pubs are crap and and the music loud :->
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Iains
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 12:55 PM

I am surprised that a person always harping on about the destruction of industrial Britain should quote a poem bemoaning the growth of industrial estates.

"The British town of Slough abruptly became the home of 850 new factories just before World War II. The sudden appearance of this "Trading Estate", which was widely reproduced throughout Britain, prompted the poem. Seeing the new appearance of the town, Betjeman was struck by the "menace of things to come". The poem is not about Slough specifically, but about the desecration caused by industrialization and modernity in general, with the transformation of Slough being the epitome of these evils.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Thompson
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 05:05 PM

Mmm. The trouble with the water metering (water meters were installed, but an effort to have people pay a company was defeated, so far) is that the plan for payment was deeply unfair. But in truth there's nothing wrong with the concept that people should pay for water they use.

In Dublin, for instance, lead poisoning at a low level is very worrying - old lead pipes leading from the mains to houses have never been replaced. And the water system has been allowed to become what is ruefully referred to as a "sprinkler" because money has never been put into mending the mains.

The latest plan is to diver water from the Shannon - good God - to feed Dublin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ecoloon or Green Hero
From: Thompson
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 05:55 PM

I see Banksy has a new mural.


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