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GUEST,ActiusAquila 19 Mar 19 - 02:13 AM
Joe Offer 19 Mar 19 - 02:43 AM
Jack Campin 19 Mar 19 - 06:45 AM
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Joe Offer 20 Mar 19 - 04:17 AM
Jack Campin 20 Mar 19 - 04:32 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: The Singing Games
From: GUEST,ActiusAquila
Date: 19 Mar 19 - 02:13 AM

It's a variant of "I'll Tell Me Ma", sung by the Corrie Folk Trio and Paddie Bell. I believe someone on Mudcat here said that Bill Smith wrote this one, but I can't verify that.

Does anyone have the lyrics for this version? I can't find full lyrics anywhere- just bits and pieces of it and lyrics from other versions.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Mar 19 - 02:43 AM

There's a recording here:...but I can't understand the lyrics well enough to transcribe them.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 19 - 06:45 AM

Try Ritchie's books of Scottish children's singing games, ""The Singing Street" and "The Golden City". I'm pretty sure what the Corries sang was nearly the same as the one he found in Edinburgh in the Fifties.

I doubt there's any evidence to locate its origins to any particular place in the British Isles.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 19 - 06:49 AM

Another book that will probably have it is Ewan MacVicar's "Doh Ray Me When Ah Wis
Wee" - he doesn't include any tunes though.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Mar 19 - 04:17 AM

Refreshing


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Mar 19 - 04:32 AM

We've got another current thread on this song. Combine them?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 07:05 AM

More children's game songs, sung by old people recalling them:

Castlemilk People's History Group recording, 1972


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: GUEST,Miranda
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 04:09 AM

The wind, the wind, the wind blows high
and the snow comes falling fae the sky
Jimmy MacPherson says she'll die for the want of the golden city.
She is handsome, she is pretty
she is the girl of the windy city
she has lovers one two three, come and tell me who will be.
Johnny (Marsden?) Says he loves her, all the boys are falling for her
Jimmy MacPherson says she'll die if she doesn't get the fella with the roving eye
She is handsome, she is pretty
she is the girl of the windy city
she has lovers one two three, come and tell me who will be.
When she gets a lad of her own, she won't tell her ma till she comes home
let them all come as they will for it's Johnny (Marsden?) She loves still
She is handsome, she is pretty
she is the girl of the windy city
she has lovers one two three, come and tell me who will be.
(musical interlude)
She is handsome, she is pretty
she is the girl of the windy city
she has lovers one two three, come and tell me who will be.
There is a maid lives on the mountain, who she is I do not know.
All she wants is gold and silver, all she wants is a handsome (?)
Call on the one you love, the one you love, the one you love
Call on the one you love, and tell me who will be-oh!
Call on the one you love, the one you love, the one you love
Call on the one you love, and tell me who will be-oh!
One two three O'Leary, four five six O'Leary
Seven eight nine O'Leary, ten O'Leary over ball!
One two three O'Leary, ah saw Wallace Beery
sittin' on his bum-bereeny kissing Shirley Temple.
One two three O'Leary, four five six O'Leary
Seven eight nine O'Leary, ten O'Leary over ball!
Ah'm no going tae Barry's trip, ah'm no gonnae gae
Ah'm no going tae Barry's trip, (?)
Ah'm no going tae Barry's trip, ah'm no going at a'
Ah'm no going tae Barry's trip, (?)
Ah'm no going tae Barry's trip, ah'm no gonnae gae
Ah'm no going tae Barry's trip, (?)
(She is handsome, she is pretty, she is the girl of the windy city,
she has lovers one two three, come and tell me who will be)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: GUEST,Miranda
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 04:12 AM

Edit: just found out that the ? at the end of "Barry's Trip" is 'it always comes on snaw'. It was a 1900s factory-worker song about not going to work.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: GUEST,ActiusAquila
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 06:18 AM

Okay. Turns out the Corries version is cobbled together from "The Windy City" (where the main tune and lyrics come from), "On the Mountain Stands a Lady" (little known folk song), "Call on the One You Love" (can't find anything about this one, anybody know what this is?), and "I'm no gaun tae Barry's trip" (once sung by linoleum workers working at "Barry's"). "One, Two, Three O'Leary" is a counting song. There are tons of versions, but the "over ball" bit is supposed to be a reference to a ball game you played whilst singing it (something about bringing your leg over the ball while you bounced it). Not sure, though.

I've never heard something much like it recorded elsewhere. They probably "wrote" this version themselves. If Bill really did write it, he likely melded all those folk songs with "The Windy City" version he heard as a boy. After all, he states he grew up in a very musical family- If he knew all those songs I wouldn't be surprised.

I had to search a bunch of different sites and piece the whole song together. I'm sure of everything except for Johnny's surname, as I have absolutely no idea what Ronnie is saying (Johnny is usually Albert Mooney in other versions, but I don't think it's still "Mooney" here. Does anyone know?). I've inserted a blank where his surname is meant to be, but it definitely starts with an M. Probably a Scottish surname.

Please correct me about these if I'm wrong at any point.



***

The Singing Games

The wind, the wind, the wind blows high,
The snow comes falling fae the sky,
Jeannie MacPherson says she’ll die,
for the want of the Golden City!

She is handsome, she is pretty,
She is the girl of the Windy City,
She has lovers one two three,
Come and tell me- who will be?

Johnny ___ says he loves her,
Aw the boys are falling for her,
Jean MacPherson says she’ll die
If she doesn’t get the felly wi’ the roving eye!

She is handsome, she is pretty,
She is the girl of the Windy City,
She has lovers one two three,
Come and tell me- who will be?

When she gets a lad of her own,
She won’t tell her Ma when she gets home,
Let them all come as they will,
Johnny ___ she loves still.

She is handsome, she is pretty,
She is the girl of the Windy City,
She has lovers one two three,
Come and tell me- who will be?

She is handsome, she is pretty,
She is the girl of the Windy City,
She has lovers one two three,
Come and tell me- who will be?

There is a maid lives on the mountain,
who she is, I do not know.
All she wants is gold and silver,
All she wants is a handsome beau.

Call on the one you love,
the one you love, the one you love.
Call on the one you love,
And tell me who will be-oh.

Call on the one you love,
the one you love, the one you love.
Call on the one you love,
And tell me who will be-oh.

One, two, three o’ Leary,
Four, five, six o’Leary,
Seven, eight, nine o’Leary,
Ten o’Leary, over ball!

One, two, three o’ Leary,
I saw Wallace Beery,
Sittin on his bumbeleree,
Kissin’ Shirley Temple!

One, two, three o’ Leary,
Four, five, six o’Leary,
Seven, eight, nine o’Leary,
Ten o’Leary, over ball!

I'm no gaun tae Barry's trip, I'm no gaun again,
I'm no gaun tae Barry's trip, it ayewis comes on rain.
I'm no gaun tae Barry's trip, I'm no gaun at aw,
I'm no gaun tae Barry's trip, it ayewis comes on snaw.

***
Ronnie Browne:

I'm no gaun tae Barry's trip, I'm no gaun again,
I'm no gaun tae Barry's trip, it ayewis comes on rain.
I'm no gaun tae Barry's trip, I'm no gaun at aw,
I'm no gaun tae Barry's trip, it ayewis comes on snaw.

At the same time, Roy and Paddie (each line corresponds to Ronnie's lines):

She is handsome, she is pretty, she is the girl of the Windy City,
She has lovers one two three, come and tell me who will be?
She is handsome, she is pretty, she is the girl of the Windy City,
She has lovers one two three, come and tell me who will be?

***

She is handsome, she is pretty,
She is the girl of the Windy City,
She has lovers one two three,
Come and tell me- who will be?

She is handsome, she is pretty,
She is the girl of the Windy City,
She has lovers one two three,
Come and tell me- who will be..?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: GUEST,Benjamin Lasseter
Date: 04 Jun 19 - 08:52 AM

"Johnny ___" is "Johnny Morton"

and thank you to Miranda, who let me know that "Barry's Trip" is a factory song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar
Date: 05 Jun 19 - 06:47 PM

Offhand I would say all these lyric versions were culled from J R Ritchie's 1960s books The Singing Street and the Golden City.
Ritchie got his versions mostly from Edinburgh and Leith schoolchildren. He gave some tunes.
Jack, I did give one tune for the core verses, labelled as The Wind Blows High, got by Hamish Henderson from Craigmillar kids in 1954.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: GUEST,Ewan MVicar
Date: 06 Jun 19 - 05:51 PM

Should have mentioned that Barry's Trip lines are an interloper from Dundee, Barry's being one of the mills that organised an annual day trip for workers' kids, so I have been told.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: GUEST,ActiusAquila
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:40 AM

Thanks, Benjamin!

Additionally (and if I recall correctly) according to "Flower of Scotland: Roy Williamson, My Father", which is a book written by Roy's daughter Karen Williamson, Hamish Henderson knew Roy. Maybe they got their lyrics from Hamish?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 10:34 AM

All the Edinburgh folkies knew Hamish. Hamish knew Richie.
But The Corries got the bulk of the above lyrics from Ritchie's books, I avow and declare. Except of course that they would also between them have recalled some for their own school days.
Hamish's 1954 Craigmiller Primary school recordings were buried deep in the SSS archives, he seemed to be trying out a new tape recorder 'in the field', the volume levels are wildly wrong and distorted.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 11:09 AM

It's not a million miles away from 'I'll Tell My Ma ' a rather well known Irish song.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Singing Games (The Corries)
From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar
Date: 08 Jun 19 - 12:44 PM

Funny how kids songs known through these islands get tagged to one place, although there are dozens of local variants.
For example, Newcastle for When The Boat Comes In, Liverpool for Johnny Todd, and Dublin for the song under discussion here.


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