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Wasn't this about music?

Lenny 28 Dec 99 - 10:33 PM
gillymor 28 Dec 99 - 10:45 PM
Barry Finn 28 Dec 99 - 10:52 PM
catspaw49 28 Dec 99 - 11:07 PM
Jon Freeman 28 Dec 99 - 11:14 PM
InOBU 28 Dec 99 - 11:14 PM
MMario 28 Dec 99 - 11:16 PM
catspaw49 28 Dec 99 - 11:18 PM
Barry Finn 28 Dec 99 - 11:22 PM
katlaughing 28 Dec 99 - 11:39 PM
Rick Fielding 29 Dec 99 - 12:15 AM
Chet W. 29 Dec 99 - 12:29 AM
Lonesome EJ 29 Dec 99 - 12:44 AM
29 Dec 99 - 12:47 AM
catspaw49 29 Dec 99 - 01:02 AM
Lonesome EJ 29 Dec 99 - 01:04 AM
Jon Freeman 29 Dec 99 - 01:08 AM
lloyd61 29 Dec 99 - 01:10 AM
Chet W. 29 Dec 99 - 01:21 AM
catspaw49 29 Dec 99 - 01:24 AM
bseed(charleskratz) 29 Dec 99 - 04:30 AM
Banjer 29 Dec 99 - 06:01 AM
catspaw49 29 Dec 99 - 07:07 AM
InOBU 29 Dec 99 - 08:26 AM
kendall 29 Dec 99 - 08:46 AM
MMario 29 Dec 99 - 08:52 AM
catspaw49 29 Dec 99 - 09:26 AM
Mbo 29 Dec 99 - 10:10 AM
MMario 29 Dec 99 - 10:18 AM
catspaw49 29 Dec 99 - 10:23 AM
Mbo 29 Dec 99 - 10:26 AM
catspaw49 29 Dec 99 - 10:34 AM
Art Thieme 29 Dec 99 - 10:50 AM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 29 Dec 99 - 10:52 AM
Chet W. 29 Dec 99 - 11:05 AM
Bert 29 Dec 99 - 11:11 AM
Pete Peterson 29 Dec 99 - 11:35 AM
Redharbour 29 Dec 99 - 11:44 AM
29 Dec 99 - 11:47 AM
T. in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird) 29 Dec 99 - 11:55 AM
Mbo 29 Dec 99 - 11:55 AM
Blackcat2 29 Dec 99 - 12:00 PM
Willie-O 29 Dec 99 - 12:14 PM
JedMarum 29 Dec 99 - 12:26 PM
Steve Latimer 29 Dec 99 - 12:26 PM
Jeri 29 Dec 99 - 12:54 PM
TerriM 29 Dec 99 - 01:22 PM
Blackcat2 29 Dec 99 - 01:37 PM
Willie-O 29 Dec 99 - 01:53 PM
selby 29 Dec 99 - 02:04 PM
bbelle 29 Dec 99 - 02:10 PM
JedMarum 29 Dec 99 - 02:11 PM
Lonesome EJ 29 Dec 99 - 02:13 PM
Peter T. 29 Dec 99 - 02:16 PM
MMario 29 Dec 99 - 02:17 PM
Jon Freeman 29 Dec 99 - 02:17 PM
Alice 29 Dec 99 - 02:19 PM
Seamus Kennedy 29 Dec 99 - 02:23 PM
Blackcat2 29 Dec 99 - 02:25 PM
Rick Fielding 29 Dec 99 - 02:26 PM
Blackcat2 29 Dec 99 - 02:29 PM
catspaw49 29 Dec 99 - 02:42 PM
Chet W. 29 Dec 99 - 02:48 PM
Peter T. 29 Dec 99 - 03:03 PM
bbelle 29 Dec 99 - 03:05 PM
Little Neophyte 29 Dec 99 - 03:19 PM
Chet W. 29 Dec 99 - 03:23 PM
Peter T. 29 Dec 99 - 03:27 PM
catspaw49 29 Dec 99 - 03:33 PM
Bert 29 Dec 99 - 03:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Dec 99 - 03:51 PM
Mbo 29 Dec 99 - 03:54 PM
Jeri 29 Dec 99 - 04:51 PM
Steve Latimer 29 Dec 99 - 04:51 PM
catspaw49 29 Dec 99 - 05:22 PM
Paul G. 29 Dec 99 - 05:27 PM
Chet W. 29 Dec 99 - 05:51 PM
Chet W. 29 Dec 99 - 07:08 PM
kendall 29 Dec 99 - 07:21 PM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Dec 99 - 07:47 PM
katlaughing 29 Dec 99 - 08:11 PM
Chet W. 29 Dec 99 - 08:36 PM
InOBU 30 Dec 99 - 04:16 PM
Frankee 30 Dec 99 - 04:32 PM
katlaughing 30 Dec 99 - 04:44 PM
Frankie 30 Dec 99 - 05:08 PM
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katlaughing 30 Dec 99 - 06:04 PM
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Mbo 30 Dec 99 - 06:53 PM
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InOBU 30 Dec 99 - 07:56 PM
kendall 30 Dec 99 - 07:57 PM
catspaw49 30 Dec 99 - 08:01 PM
Art Thieeme 30 Dec 99 - 08:37 PM
Chet W. 31 Dec 99 - 12:44 AM
Penny S. 31 Dec 99 - 10:51 AM
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Subject: Wasn't this about music?
From: Lenny
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 10:33 PM

I don't mean any disrespect to the people here but has the mudcat cafe completely changed it's focus? I've had limited access to a computer so I haven't spent much time looking in here but there used to be a lot of people talking about blues and folk music. I know there were arguments about it getting too chatty and a lot of people left, but it was still pretty heavy on music. So many of the threads now are about peoples religious beliefs and personal philosophies. Even people thanking St Jude?! It looks to me like some people are splitting into twos in order to answer themself. Are Kat Laughing and Banjo Bonnie the same person? It looks like there's only about a dozen people left who are really interested in real folk and blues. I don't have a right to complain and I'm not trying to be rude but I'm really curious. What happened to mudcat cafe?


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 10:45 PM

Quick, somebody 911 Gargoyle Hunter.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 10:52 PM

Don't get to upset, we go throught this quite often. Some respond to non music topics (is this one?) & others respond (like myself) mostly to music related threads but there is enough room here for it all. When I came onboard, around 3 yrs ago there was more music related threads but a whole lot less people. After some time you'll notice that alot of threads get repeated, mostly the music threads & not the BS threads. Some of the BS & other threads I find somewhat interesting & informational but I don't follow them that closely so I stick to responding to what I prefere (like here?), which is mostly music related, pick & choose & let the rest, if you want, to pass on by. If you're not here to often then there's gotta be a huge backlog you could dig up. Barry


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 11:07 PM

What Barry said. And additionally, this is the holidays and I think the BS has increased some this time of year (as it did last year) and that's to be expected. And trust me, I didn't "get" the St. Jude thing either. The community here has changed but music brought us together and its still a focal point for most of us, even the inveterate BSer's like myself.

Spaw - (who's hoping we don't go thru another "boilerplate" siege like last January.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 11:14 PM

Lenny, I am inclined to agree with Barry Finn and certainly don't want to get involved in yet another round over BS.

I think that you will find that most (if not all) of the people that contribute to the BS threads also have a genuine interset in folk or blues music and do make contributions to the music related threads as well.

Regarding the 2 people you named, I can also assure you that I have had several personal exchanges with KatLaughing, not idle chat but swapping folk songs and tunes and as far as I am aware, BanjoBonnie is taking lessons from Rick Fielding... neither of which seem to be actions of people who have no interest in musical topics.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: InOBU
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 11:14 PM

Folk music is about the concerns of THE PEOPLE! so, the fact that there is a lot of discussion of the concerns of the people, often informs the music. Contrary to what many Americans now think, music is not just entertainment, it is education. SOngs about mine workers, sailors, soldiers of the peoples struggles, didnt just get made up, they were germanated by people involved in and working in their class interests. I wish I could cite a good song on this subject... maybe we have served you all for a thousand years?
All the best
Larry


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: MMario
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 11:16 PM

there's 40 obviously music threads up at the moment, and more with music inside somewhere....a lot of the BS threads do drift in and out of music related topics. I would say the biggest change is that the MudCat has evolved from a music oriented RESOURCE into a music oriented COMMUNITY. Not necessarily a good thing, but not necessarily a bad thing either. I personaly prefer my information with a dash of humanity.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 11:18 PM

Your laryngitis hasn't affected your "voice"....well stroked Mario...and a hats off to you to Jon.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 11:22 PM

Hey InOBU, "Contrary to what many Americans now think, music is not just entertainment, it is education". Contrary to what you may think, that was a gross generalization. Not to get anything going here, just a friendly tug on your boot straps. Barry


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Dec 99 - 11:39 PM

Thanks, Jon. Lenny, if BB and I were the same person, I would find it difficult, at best, to be in Toronto with lessons with Rick, while also being home on the range in Wyoming. One does grow weary of the constancy of this debate. Well said, MMario.

katlaughingironically


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 12:15 AM

Lenny. I can assure you that if Kat and BB were one and the same they must use some form of astral travelling. I think it takes Banjo Bonnie about a half hour to get to her lesson, perhaps if the Concorde made stops in Wyoming on it's way to Toronto I'd get to see them both in the same room!
For the better part of a year I would occasionally jump into the "BS or no BS" threads firmly on the side of "music PLUS discussions" about politics, ideas, and folks' takes on comtemporary events. Duckboots and I both found much of the writing to be far superior to that which we found in our newspaper each morning. A lot of the humour was razor sharp, and I can remember times that I laughed all day because of someone's post.
I'm sorry that the first person to respond to you thinks you must be "Gargoyle", because you seem to prefer the "old Mudcat". (if you don't know who I'm talking about..don't worry, you're better off!) I truly hope there's still room for disagreement here.(without GG's predictable nastiness)
I've gotten to know the above posters, and I can tell you they are VERY interested in music. Perhaps some, not in as academic a way as some of the folks who've left, but stick around for a while (if you're permanently computerized) and check the strictly music threads. You'll see lots of technical info from these and most of the others. I LIVE for folk music...and I'm often involved in the "Guitar, banjo, mandolin, American old tyme, chords, flatpicking etc. etc. threads. If you're a picker...check those out. I've had to do some re-focusing, but change is inevitable, and it's still a great place here.

Rick Fielding


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 12:29 AM

It's time I revealed a terrible secret...

No, I guess that can wait.

Chet


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 12:44 AM

Chet? Are you....ok? Yeah? Well then SPILL the BEANS,Bucko!

And oh yeah, regarding the "music verses bullshit" ongoing debate, I stand firmly in both camps while straddling the fence.

LEJ- metaphor mangler


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From:
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 12:47 AM

Lenny, you should have seen the place BEFORE the holidays, Mudcat, was so twisted even the old-timers were asking your same identical question. Then some people left on vacation for a few weeks, the threads returned to normal. Those people are back and now it is spinning off in LA LA Land again.

If it is not about music why post the @##$$%&^????


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 01:02 AM

Gee anon, I'm so sorry to have come back...but I prefer the company of most of the above posters than I do the company of thoses living in the "Land of the Ball-less Anonymouse Turds."

Just my preference.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 01:04 AM

Anonymous, I've got a suspicion that it's the Gang of Twelve stirring up trouble again.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 01:08 AM

Lenny, I wasn't around in the "old day's". Perhaps you can put me right on this: Were anonymous posters deliberately making inflammitory comments part of that scene or is this a new experience that we are all having to suffer?

Jon


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: lloyd61
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 01:10 AM

Lenny

Your right.

I'm Convinced that Katlaughing, BB, Frankee, Barry Finn, catspaw49, Jon Freeman, InOBU, and MMario are all the same person. Kat has been pulling our leg all along, and I don't mind. I kind of like Kat pulling my leg.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 01:21 AM

If I revealed this secret at this particular time, we would all have to be picked up and held in a secure facility to keep it from getting out. I'm not saying that it wouldn't get out of hand either. How about piped-in new-age music? How about being forced into a bathtub full of peeled grapes? How about having to lie on soft cushions? Please consider carefully before you decide if you want to know that I am also.....damn, almost let it slip out!

Consider carefully, Chet


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 01:24 AM

Strom Thurmond?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 04:30 AM

No, Spaw. He's the real Banjo Bonnie. Have you ever seen the two of them in the same room?

--seed


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Banjer
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 06:01 AM

Well, here we go again.....My first thought would be if you don't want to read BS, don't! By pass it. If you don't want to read anything, BS, music or other, it is your right not to! But then the little voice inside of me speaks up and reminds me that I should be nice...offer an explanation of sorts, etc.

For anyone that understands (and I suspect that those who constantly harp on 'Why have BS' DO NOT understand), folk music is the music of the people. Many of the subjects in the BS threads can be related to a song somewhere. Conversely, many songs that we love can be compared to the BS threads. A relation can be found either way. Therefor I maintain that what some intolerant folks call Bullshit, is actually the basis of some future songs that may go down in history no less than the music we already enjoy today.

Some brief examples that come readily to mind are Tom Dooley, based on the true story of Tom Dula, The Reuben James, Sink the Bismark, Battle of New Orleans....and the list goes on. Also consider all the folk tunes from the sixties, the songs about the Viet Nam experience, poverty, and other human experiences of the period. If the Mudcat had existed back then, just think of all the BS threads that would have evolved. What discussion would we have had if the computers were around when Rosa Parks got on the bus? What BS would there have been on your screen if folks in the 1860's had access? Can you picture a Catspaw and a BSeed arguing about issues, (non music related, of course) that would later lead to all the songs we have from the Civil War era? We NEED BS to keep the music alive!! I shall now put my soapbox away....Thank you!


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 07:07 AM

And then again, let's just give you the "Soapbox Award" for a efforts above and beyond the call. Your point about computers in days now past is excellent and I don't recall anyone ever making it in that way before. Really food for thought Banj. You may be a 4-star "General F****P but you have distinguished yourself and deserve another star. You're still an IDA, but that's life...and I am proud to call you my friend.

I would suggest to Lenny that you also check out the tunes written by Alice's son Ryan, the Mudcat Songbook, and the thread entitled "A Mother's Kiss"....all currently running, and I think you'll find the music carries on.

Okay Seed, maybe Chet's not Strom Thurmond...maybe he's Myrtle Beach.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: InOBU
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 08:26 AM

Gee, if we are all the same person, are we scitzophrenic? Can one of us spell, should we be a one person band? Must we all live in the same place? Must I move to Toronto, Bonnie move to New York? Or is it just that everyone who does not think in the same patern of you must be the same person, kind of like the old Russia is a Grey and souless place - filled with cold eyed automatron communists before the criminocracy we brought about by winning the cold war made it possible for the one russian to devide into all thouse different people? Maybe this calls for a song?

Its moring in America and you can be your best
if you ve got a valid credit card and
can pass a urine test...
All the best
Larry - or Bonnie or Kat or Big Mick, or GeorgeH or Milly Vanilly, or Paddy Keenan (complementing myself beyond my tallent), Loydd61 and Napolian Bonapart


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: kendall
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 08:46 AM

The other day, I posted a message that I was going to be gone for two months. I did that so spaw wouldn't worry..I never expected so many of you to comment because it was just an offhand comment. As a result, I have been invited to places along the way where music lives. There will be a gathering of 'catters, and there will be music. This is how the music and the BS combine. Sometimes its like the Gordian knot..impossible to untangle. Now, if I were interested ONLY in discussing music, I would go to Juliard and lock the door to keep the REAL people out. Anyway, Lenny, I hope you stick around, the 'catters made a believer out of me It's a three dimensional world..check it out.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: MMario
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 08:52 AM

waitaminute! THREE dimensions? Which one am I missing? I know I'm only two-dimensional...I get told that all the time... Dang, three? are you sure?


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 09:26 AM

Wait a minute...I have it now!!! Chet's not Strom or Bonnie or Myrtle......He's the reincarnation of P.G.T. Beauregard come back as the rappper Boom Shooty Bang!!!

I knew I'd get it!!!!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 10:10 AM

What's wrong with St. Jude???!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: MMario
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 10:18 AM

nothing's wrong with St. Jude....it's just a little strange to see it posted, especially since if you check history on the poster there is nothing else posted under that id. But I never could understand a rite/ritual that required one to publish thanks....my theory is that if a Saint can't figure out you are grateful without publication, then they aren't much of a Saint.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 10:23 AM

You've been huffing on that chanter again haven't you Meebo? Check out the Tabor pipe in the auction.

(The reference was to a somewhat bizarre post in a healing thread.)

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 10:26 AM

Well, then, Mario & 'Spaw, I'll have you know the post was from my sister. Need I say more?

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 10:34 AM

I don't know...do you?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 10:50 AM

I have been here less than before BECAUSE there is less talk about music and too much (in the balance) B.S.

I don't mean to offend either. (Kat, I love ya.) It's simply my preference. On occasion I join the B.S.---like now---or when I have a musical point to make within a B.S. thread---or if I think something I've experienced in the past might be an interesting musical aside.I still check in once a day or so. It's still fun even if not as scholarly as I might prefer. I do know that many valuable opinions and serious folk minds do not show up here lately. I can only suspect that they too are saddened by what they find here. Frank's not here. Sandy is here less. Sam usually adds his extrmely valuable points of view to 'rec. music folk' where, in my opinion, it's pearls before ..... ---Oh, nevermind.

Art


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 10:52 AM

Well, I don't mind the BS threads since I rarely look at them, but I wonder if they are the ones contributing the problem of searches in the text, versus searching the Subject field.

Is there any way that the BS threads DON'T go into the archival storage, but disappear after a couple of months?


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 11:05 AM

What if all these postings, except maybe your own, were being generated by a supercomputer somewhere in Washington? Artificial intelligence. It makes a kind of sense.

Chet


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Bert
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 11:11 AM

I don't mean any disrespect to the people here, BUT.

The thing that puzzles me is, with all these people claiming they want more talk about music, - why don't they?

Go ahead, this is not a moderated forum. Talk all you want about music, we all love the stuff.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 11:35 AM

ANother organization to which I belong says "If you don't want it, you can't have any." There seems a simple solution to thsoe who wish less BS. Virginia Satir said the same thing differently "what you feed, grows. What you don't feed withers and dies." As usual, other people have said this better than i could say it myself (which is why I am not a singer-songwriter & instead love the old time songs of Poole and the Carter Fam ETC)


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Subject: Ok- for music, let's begin
From: Redharbour
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 11:44 AM

Dave Van Ronk's version of "Song of The Wandering Angus". Does anyone know how to play this?


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From:
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 11:47 AM

Or has anyone heard it?


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: T. in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 11:55 AM

Isn't this about music ?
Isn't this about music ?
Sure this is about music
'cause music is about everything.

Whom do you love ?
whom do you love ?
Whom I love is about music
'cause music is about everything.

What about molecular quantum mechanics ?
What about molecular quantum mechanics ?
Molecular quantum mechanics is about music,
'cause molecular quantum mechanics is about expanding anisotropic two-body interactions in spherical harmonics
and music is about everything!

T.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 11:55 AM

I love traditional music, Lenny, especially Celtic, and though I participate in BS/OS threads, I've never really started any BS/OS threads myself. And if you read some of my posts, you will find more often than not, I drift into some sort of traditional music reference, though some may not catch it. We're a big family here, and sometime we like to have more fun than sitting around analyzing the Child Ballads and disputing their numbers, or discussing minute lyrics changes of folk songs in various parts of the country or world. I know I'm here for music, though all of my musical tastes are not covered here (and frequently looked down upon) but I like to have a little fun with friends too. I don't have any friends in REAL life! So lighten up and enjoy the fun, tell us about music you like!

"We are united here within these ancient wheels
We are united in the spirit of the music at our heels;
On reflection, we rebuild and we restore--
We are as Mother Nature's children
As we dance across the floor.

All together, all as one
All together, relentlessly we're dancing on..."

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Blackcat2
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 12:00 PM

I've only been here for w few months but what I've seen is that every time I post a request for something music related, i get plenty of responses - mostly helpful. When I posted requesting info about the Wren Boys - that wasn't strictly music, but folk music by it's very nature is connected to all the other things folks do.

I agree with Bert - those who think there's not enough music being discussed - start some threads or revive old ones you find interesting. I cannot understand how people can complain there are "too many" BS threads when it's easy to ignore them. Plus - do you think the people who are posting BS treads on occasion would automatically start posting music threads instead if someone asked them to?

I've been following the Bobby sands thread with a great deal of interest and am looking into the songs mentioned about him - something I wouldn't have done if that thread didn't start.

pax yall


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Willie-O
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 12:14 PM

LEJ, that straddling must be hard on the family jewels...

Rick, the necessity of astral travelling is a pretty weak reason for BB and Kat being different persons, since I'm pretty sure both of them can do it. (Although I hear they've tightened up security checks on the astral planes this week).

I used to be deeply skeptical about the whole concept of virtual communities (or virtual anything). My theory FWIW is that there is no such thing, actually...but that this is a real community, consisting of a galaxy of folks that know each other, either face-to-face, electronically or both in various locations, and across various time zones. Maybe that is how it was intended, maybe not, and maybe that doesn't matter (Max?). We're all interested in folk/roots music, but that's not sum total of our existance. Every mill needs grist, that's my spin on it, I may be all wet but anyway time to lumber back to the old grind. Stop me. Please

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: JedMarum
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 12:26 PM

I am a fairly new guy to the Mudcat forum, so I don't know how this place has changed focus, as is claimed. It seems to me that most discussion here revolves around music, and that is still my primary interest. But I must say I like hearing other people's points-of-view on political or social issues, even if I don't participate, I usually browse all the threads.

But there is one comment I need to make, and maybe being a 'fairly new guy' here makes this observation all the more appropriate. I have posted several requests for info on folk songs, and it seems to me every one has been answered, at least in part, with a "we've already discussed this song, check out this thread here." And sure enough, when I check out those threads, I usually find some interesting discussion, and sometimes additional discussion occurs within the new thread. My point here is that it occurs to me, we have reached a level of saturation on the commmon music topics. Many of the music topics that attract people to the forum have been intelligently and completely discussed. Surely there is room here for BS.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 12:26 PM

Like all of us, I came here for the music and have been greatly enriched by the wealth of musical knowledge that resides here. I have participated in my share of BS threads and find that there are many people here who share the same warped sense of humour that I do. But a Bobby Sands thread at the Mudcat offends me. I have definate views about Ireland, my father being from there, my Grandfather having fought in the uprising, my great Uncle haveing been hauled out of his house and shot in front of his family (I'm not saying which side), but I feel that Mudcat is no place to discuss politics or Religion. Sure, there has been a lot of great music celebrating war, Rebels, Outlaws, etc. counterbalanced by the protest songs that more or less created the folk music of the 50's and 60's, and I believe that they and the people who performed them have a place here, but If you want to have political or religious discussions go to the appropriate sites.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 12:54 PM

Yay, Bert. It seems ironic to me that the folks who seem to complain the most about BS rarely start any threads themselves, and yet spend quite a bit of time writing about what they want others to talk about.

I don't read many of the BS threads these days, and there does seem to be a lot of them. I don't have a problem with their existance, though, which is a good thing, because I happily have no control over what others post. For those who don't think there aren't enough threads about music - start some. It might do a bit more good than re-hashing this discussion.

Sort of reminds me of a session -

Ignatz: "How come we don't play very many waltzes?"
Bubba: "Well, Ignatz, I don't know, but we do way too many songs, and the jigs and reels are about to drive me nuts."
Ignatz: "Yep, and and then that bunch of new folks showed up and started singing show tunes. Don't they know we're supposed to be doing the old stuff?"
Bubba: "So Iggy, why don't you start off one of them waltzes."
Ignatz: "Who, me?! Nah, I'll just wait for somebody else to do it and join in. Oh, shit, Elvira's starting that stupid song from 'Cabaret' again. I wonder why nobody pays any attention to us..."


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: TerriM
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 01:22 PM

As a relative newcomer here, I really have to add that I have found lots of the BS threads absorbing. One of the things that attracted me to folk music in the first place was the classless and eclectic bunch of people one invariably found in folk clubs. I can think of no other musical sphere which attracts such a group of non-judgemental, warm and humourous people and this shows clearly in the BS threads. Surely where one makes music, one should bring to it all facets of your own values, experience and personality and if those facets show up more clearly in the BS threads, isn't that to be expected and welcomed?


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Blackcat2
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 01:37 PM

Steve,

I could say that I'm offended about you having the attitude that a Bobby Sands or any political or religious discussion on mudcat offends you, but then that would be allowing something bother me that does not need to.

Here's a tip to all: When you look at the titles of the threads, IGNORE all the ones that bother you, or confuse you, or that you are just not interested in.

My goodness! How hard is that? What ever happened to tolerance? The Mudcat seems to be founded on the concept that as long as people aren't directly attacking other people, their opinions are allowed. To visit and look around at Mudcat is not forcing you to read the opinions of people on subjects that you are not interested in.

pax yall - Great thread!


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Willie-O
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 01:53 PM

It's just a rather friendly microcosm of the net in general--where you find out life's way to short to spend it trying to correct other people's thinking!

W-O


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: selby
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:04 PM

In about 1 hour I will be setting off for my local session where over the evening I will play music talk about music talk about christmas the millenium sombodys new car sombodys etc etc etc etc is not that what folkies do with their friends Keith


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: bbelle
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:10 PM

I think starting one more thread about this subject is ludicrous but I clicked on it because I was curious as to who started it. I have absolutely no interest in 99% of the bs threads and don't click on them, however, I do find religion and politically-based threads most interesting, especially because many folk tunes are/were borne of one or the other ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: JedMarum
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:11 PM

right on selby; well said!


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:13 PM

Most of my friends in the Real World are Liberal, anti-gun, agnostic. Some like Traditional music.

Many of my friends on the Mudcat are Conservative, pro-gun,religious. All like Traditional music

I am one of those who believes that the love of music creates a common ground from which many other things can grow- tolerance, humor, friendship and understanding. And the ground here is way to fertile to grow only discussions on traditional music.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Peter T.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:16 PM

I think we have to talk about politics and religion here, because they need to be grounded or woven into music and community so as to make them less, rather than more, inhumane, professionalized, abstract. I can see no way to separate them, really, though people keep trying for what seem to me to be weird reasons -- is it because music is seen as something that is a rest from all that, a break of some kind from real life, a mathematical puzzle, something too nice to get messed up with, or what? Like, stay away from my child bride, or something? If politics is about learning to live together, and religion is about learning to live truthfully, then we are saturated in them here, as is music.
I do think that some attempt should be made in those kind of threads to bring music into the discussion sometime. It would certainly interest me, and, to make my earlier point even stronger, would I believe mightily improve the politics and religion discussions -- left on their own, they get pretty sickening fast, like a service with nothing but sermons, without a song or a tune. I notice that whenever a political thread or a religious thread shifts into specific music or songs or whatever, everyone cheers up, starts contributing, goes and does some research. The "There Were Roses" thread this summer was a great example of this. We were drearily rehearsing Irish tit-for-tats, and then everyone suddenly perked right up. Like somebody else there, I would like to see the Bobby Sands thread tilt off into talking about the songs, or disappear, but I have sworn off contributing to that thread.
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: MMario
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:17 PM

of course the ground is fertile....between the faeries, the cats, the 'possums and flamingos, not to mention thread content, there's an awful lot of manure being spread.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:17 PM

I suppose that some of the religion in the threads does cause me problems. I am a Christian and my beliefs are very different to say Kat's. The problem I have is that some people here express their beliefs in the threads and I find myself wondering whether to join in "No the Christian view point is..." and risk starting a heated debate here (which I believe is the wrong place) or to keep quiet to keep the peace.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Alice
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:19 PM

Since alot of people seem to be checking into this thread, I am going to remind you that there are plenty more tunes that can be created and sent to Alan, alison, or Joe, to add to the Mudcat midi database. Here is a link to the thread for two that alison added just yesterday. Maybe it will inspire you to send in your own composition or one that matches lyrics in the DT. click here


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:23 PM

As a complete newcomer to mudcat, I love everything about it. It reminds me very much of a great session in an Irish pub. We play a bunch of tunes, drink a few pints, have a great yap for a while (on every topic under the sun), those who don't want to converse can wander up to the bar or out to the jacks, then back to the music again. A few more tunes, another jar, another chat, and so it goes. If you don't like one conversation, there's plenty more going on at other tables. Sorry, I rambled on there.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Blackcat2
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:25 PM

Hi all

Jon - my guess is that you have a right to express your opinion - especially if someone else is expressing theirs. You will probably find other Christians on the site. I don't really offer my opinion religiously on the Mudcat - rarely do I think that it's appropriate and to be honest, I rarely see others doing that as well. maybe I'm not noticing it. One thing is for sure (and this is true at my Unitarian Universalist Church) Christian Bashing is tacetly accepted where attacks on other religions often aren't. That is a shame, because while I have problems with the actions of some Christians, the vast majority don't bother me in the least. It does get tough occasionally being part of a minority religion (2 actually, but who's counting) in a country that seems fixated on one religion's holidays.

Well, so much for not sharing my relious stuff . . .

pax yall


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:26 PM

Hi Red Harbour. The Ballad of the Wandering Aengus (from the Yeats poem) is a wonderful song. Van Ronk's version is quirky and very touching, but I'm going to play Devil's advocate here, and ask you to start a thread on it. If you get some responses great. If you still need the chords, I'll give you the ones I use.
Hate to disagree with my friend Steve about Mudcat direction (actually he's pretty big so I wouldn't want to disagree too much on ANYTHING with him) but I doubt that the large amount of religious (direct and indirect) postings will diminish, so I sure have no problem hearing about political situations and folks' opinions on them. I think the Bobby Sands one is quite interesting..even though I made a mistake by posting to it. In general I'm all for diffrent points of view, expressed articulately even if it gets heated. Believe me, some James Taylor and Bob Dylan threads went the same way. Even my thread on Black music raised lots of ire. I certainly don't mind taking the odd shot...and Bobby Sands DID write songs.

Hope the New Year brings good stuff to us all.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Blackcat2
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:29 PM

not JAMES TAYLOR!!!


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:42 PM

Relax Blackcat....We have the free stays at the new wing of the "Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed" especially for the "Taylor Problem." Just register as a 'Catter for a few days at the "James Taylor Rehab Unit for the Catatonically Bland." You'll be fixed up good as new. Failing to get immediate treatment may leave you CATATONICALLY BLAND so if you need the Insanevac chopper for transport, its available.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 02:48 PM

We have beaten this subject a lot, of course, but new people come every day and want to know about this and that and give their opinions, all good things. I was thinking maybe we should make a statement up front that we talk, and not just about music directly, but whatever is on our minds and whatever is important to us, just as face to face musicians or accountants or ballet dancers do everywhere. But it doesn't take long to find this out on one's own, and as was said so eloquently above, just click to another thread if you're offended, or make a rebuttal. This is a barely limited space for discussion/information exchange. I for one cherish it.

Controversially, I do understand (but not necessarily support) intolerance based on personal experience. Half of my family being Czech, we have little good to say about Russia. The older members of the family that lived through World War II and actually saw the atrocities have similar views about Germany. We know better than to generalize but the actual sight and experience of horrible things happening on behalf of a cause or nation are difficult to get over. I guess the best commentary about forgiveness was made by Jesus himself. Within the limits of human weakness we try to forgive, but many of us will always react in ways that do not fit our usual natures. Onward to the new millennium, we can only hope that we can leave some things behind in the old one.

Chet


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Peter T.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 03:03 PM

People who forgive after horrible personal experiences that should keep them in the grip of well-earned hatred are surely the best evidence we have on earth for miracles. What behaviourist could understand it? thanks Chet.
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: bbelle
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 03:05 PM

Chet ... since you are checking into this thread rather frequently ..... wondered if you might be able to get down to Live Oak, FL while kendall in here? It's not too far a schlep from South Carolina ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 03:19 PM

Did anyone consider Banjo Bonnie might be Rick Fielding's esoteric, whimsical, astro-illogical, side?


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 03:23 PM

Thanks. It actually is kind of far to Live Oak, and I have school starting back Monday, myself being in the dwindling ranks of teachers. I hope to do some travelling in the summer, my first ever summer off! My previous school was year-round. I'll look you up if I get down that way.

I am not Strom Thurmond. Chet


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Peter T.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 03:27 PM

Bonnie, you ain't no astral projection -- you read it here first. yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 03:33 PM

Can you give us any info about her "astral projections" Peter?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Bert
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 03:34 PM

Just you wotchit 'Spaw yole fart or I'll be sending Cleigh his plane fare to

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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 03:51 PM

There are sometinmg like 65 threads up on the screen at any time.

I've just checked, and maybe 12 of these are not directly related to music and musicians. And I'm not sure about some of them. I mean, that 12 included this one, and In rteckon it's a perfect specimen of a periodic ritual discussion which is now part of our tradition.

And in fact my observation is that if any thread lasts for any length of time it's going to get round to music and suchlike.

When I go into a pub I normally like to drink beer. Does that mean I should stomp up and down complaining because they allow people to buyt a cup of coffee?

One of the great things about this place is that it is perfectly soundproofed. If some bunch of people are off in a corner talking about something you don't want to talk about, their voices don't intrude.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 03:54 PM

Speaking of alter-egos--I confess that I was Santa on the "Dear Sandy Claws" thread. Could you tell?

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 04:51 PM

On religion, I think anyone should feel free to say what they believe. There has been a bit of Christian bashing, usually associated with specific churches or the religion as a whole. It saves a bit of time when you don't have to ask what an individual person believes and you can just dismiss their whole outlook based on the stereotype/public image/history of the entire religion. Not nice.

When I was at the Fieldings', I saw a TV show with two Christian leaders from the US and Bishop Desmond Tutu. The two Americans had extolled the contributions of Christianity during the millennium - how much good and light it had brought the world. Bishop Tutu took his turn, and said something to the effect of yes, Christianity had been responsible for some great things, but it was important to remember it has also been responsible for some great atrocities. I think what he was saying was we should be careful not to use religion as a tool or weapon. Song reference here.

I believe it's futile to try to change anyone's mind about religion or politics. The most we can hope for is to tell someone something they don't already know, or help them understand our beliefs.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 04:51 PM

Yeah Rick, I'm a really intimidating guy. I'm the guy who if I find a spider in my house will set it free outside, I'm nasty.

I guess one of the reasons I feel the way that I do harkens back to something Rick said on another thread, he found out that one of his all time heroes was a card carrying member of the KKK. I'm sure that Rick would never change that persons mind about this, and I'm sure that Rick can't listen to this person the same way (if at all) anymore. We all have positions on issues that have taken a lifetime to formulate, and I can only see threads as controversial as Bobby Sands, Ulster Protestant songs, Rebel songs as being as out of place here as a KKK thread, (I know there was one, but it was anti-KKK, and had to do with music so I wasn't too upset by it's presence here).

I participated in the Guns thread, ended up forming opinions about contributors that made me uncomfortable, and ended up thinking 'what the hell was that thread doing on a blues and folk forum anyway?'

Having a little fun is okay with me, as a Canadian I find 'Spaws Neil Young centre a bit of a dig, but I welcome his humour and musical knowledge, I sure don't want to ignore his posts because of a disagreement over political views.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 05:22 PM

Ya know Steve, the Canadian thing NEVER occured to me at all. He's just such a psychotic that he was an easy pick. Please don't pass this around, but I can't help but enjoy watching him perform because he is completely crazed and there is this strange fascination with watching him...not really listening, just watching. Its like a film clip I have on tape of Hunter Thompson interviewing Keith Richards...It doesn't matter what they're saying (and they have no idea), its just so completely bizarre!!!!

On the plus side, we did locate the Center in Montana!!! (Sorry Alice)....Actually, that was the choice of the CIA who did the original funding to train crazed tiple bands to replace assasination squads for the overthrow of world governments.

Spaw

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Paul G.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 05:27 PM

Gamble Rodgers would have said "Let them that don't want none have memories of not gettin' any".

pg


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 05:51 PM

I got to say it; I find it weird when anyone tries to justify intolerance and/or hatred based on religion and Christianity in particular. Anyone with any familiarity with the teachings of Christ should see my point. To throw more butane on the fire, I also find it weird when Christianity is blended with what is now said to be conservative politics here in the US, a strain that has no historical ties to American conservatism before Ronald Reagan or maybe Nixon. Jesus of all people in history was the most radical progressive there ever was. Can you see him supporting a candidate that says the holocaust was not so bad or makes a state visit to honor the graves of Nazi monsters? Sorry, but give me a break!

Chet


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 07:08 PM

I guess that last post was just what we wanted to avoid wasn't it? Sorry, but the psychedelic associations I described above are on my mind a lot, especially recently. One of the phenomena of modern times seems to be that ideas and words change their meanings to suit the moment, no matter how absurd the shift, and we as a culture just accept it or ignore it. I wasn't directing at anybody in particular. I've got no hate in my heart, but outrage, which is not the same thing, stays when we know it has to.

Is any of this about music? Well a lot of my songs are, for what it's worth.

Have a fine New Year's Eve and Day.

Myrtle (the artist formerly known as Chet)


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: kendall
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 07:21 PM

hey Chet w. I'm going to be traveling through SC on, probably the 6th of Jan. If you are not too far off the interstate, I'd like to stop for coffe..might even have Mary Mac 90 along..


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 07:47 PM

Psychedelic???

Is this an example of what Chet talks about a couple of sentences on: "One of the phenomena of modern times seems to be that ideas and words change their meanings to suit the moment, no matter how absurd the shift, and we as a culture just accept it or ignore it."

But aside from the "psychedelic" tag, I agree with Chet. Words get stolen and misapplied to describe things that try to destroy every good thing they stand for. "National Socialism." "White Aryan Christian." And you could find equivalent groups claiming to be Muslim, Hindu, Jewish... It's a pity the term Blasphemy has been hijacked a few times too often, because that is what is involved here.

"This machine destroys Fascists" was what Woody Guthrie had on his guitar. I wish it was as straightforwared as that. Rick's musical hero who turned out to be KKK demonstrates that it isn't. The Devil really does have good tunes sometimes.

"It is a test of a good religion whether you can make a joke about it," wrote one of my favourite people, Chesterton. He meant, make a joke about it from the inside. I think that's a pretty good test, and one that the nastier examples that outrage Chet would never pass.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 08:11 PM

WARNING: Kat is now going to post something which is music-related. Hold onto your hats.

Thanks to Kris Krsitofferson

Jesus was a Capricorn
He ate organic food
He believed in love and peace
And never wore no shoes

Verse 2:

Long hair, beard and sandles
And a funky bunch of friends
Reckon we'd just nail him up
If he came down again

Chorus:

'Cause everybody's gotta have somebody to look down on Who they can feel better than at any time they please
Someone doin' somethin' dirty decent folks can frown on
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me

Verse 3:

Eggheads cussing rednecks cussing
Hippies for their hair
Others laugh at straights who laugh at
Freaks who laugh at squares

Verse 4:

Some folks hate the Whites
Who hate the Blacks who hate the Klan
Most of us hate anything that
We don't understand

Chorus


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 29 Dec 99 - 08:36 PM

Kendall, Anytime if we can. The 6th is a schoolday so I won't be home til about 4:00. If you're coming on I-95 I'm about 1.5 hours from there. If you're on I-77 you come right by me (5 miles). Just leave me a message and I'll send directions, phone #, etc.

McG, I use the word psychedelic to describe things that don't make sense under any way of thinking that I know, whether western logic, language analysis, or Zen no-mind, but that people behave as if they're taking it seriously anyway. Besides the examples you and I mentioned, there are the ones I deal with everyday as a teacher, like why shouldn't we put a 19-year-old tenth grader who can't write his name in an honors science class? It fits his schedule! I guess some other words to use instead might be dissociative, delusional (sp), psychotic, surreal, phantasmagorical, etc etc. I think we agreed on the gist of the point, but I didn't understand your last sentence.

Thanks for the song Kat. One of my most vivid memories from my adolescence in our Baptist church was when we had a preacher that hated hippies, and he rarely gave a sermon without saying something about them, often stories from the grocery store checkout tabloids. On this particular night, which was at a revival service, he was going on about hippies with their (imagine disgusted scowl) long hair and their sandals and their strange clothes, while on the wall behind him was a large picture of Jesus in a frame with long hair, sandals, and certainly not a suit and tie. I looked at the preacher, I looked at the picture, back and forth, until I passed some kind of point that may have had a lot to do with my life since then. I wonder if anyone thinks Jesus was the only man in Palestine in those days dressed and barbered like Jerry Falwell. Yes, I would describe that sort of thinking as psychedelic.

Trying to make sense of it all, Chet Myrtle (not Strom)


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: InOBU
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 04:16 PM

Comparing the KKK to the IRA? Or do I miss a point?
1. Music of both
KKK Best song...
I am a good ol rebel - good tune - words suck.
IRA Best song
How can you pick one of the thousands?
Unfinished Revolution? Great tune, good words, references struggles against oppression around the world.
2. Inspiration to organise.
KKK Race hatred and white suppremisy
IRA The setting aside of a government elected by the people in 1911, by force of arms, and subsiqently resistance to a system which denighed equal jobs housing and voting rights to a people for reason of their national and religious heritage.
3. Membership
KKKOpen membership, whites only
IRA, any dedicated person reguardless of race religion or sex, qualification, sober, and sane, and reliable.
4. Tactics
KKK indecriminate lynching and racial itimidation
IRA following the articals of war to oppose the army of one of the most powerful nations on the planet.
Similarities
They both are made up of human beings, (though it pains me to say that about the KKK).
Just a short note on a previous post above, I have a cracked rib from coughing too much, so I cant sit and type, I have to lie down and grown awhile, about the rib, not the fractured rhetoric, no offence, I get a little impatent when in agony...
Best wishes for peace and understanding in the new year,
When in New York come hear Sorcha Dorcha (my band) if you like Uileann pipes - Bagatelle WENDSAY NIGHTS 8 - 10 (12 Saint Marks Place) (keeping this musical!)
Again best wishes
Ouch
Larry


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Frankee
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 04:32 PM

Dear Lenny (if you're still out there),

Early on in this thread I made the knee-jerk assumption that you were Gargoyle, the resident curmudgeon. If my flippant remark offended you, you have my sincerest apologies (and apologies to you too GG). Hope you find what you're looking for on this site.

Regards, Frankie


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 04:44 PM

Frankee, IMHO, SPAW is a curmudgeon, as is Kendall, McGrath and few others at times, including Art Thieme. I would not classify them with the one who needs to blessed and released on his way.

Chat/Myrtie what an epiphany! Great moment for you.

InOBU, do you have any tapes of cd's? I love Uileann pipes

kat


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Frankie
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 05:08 PM

Dear Kat,


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Frankee
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 05:30 PM

Whoops

Dear Kat,

Thanks for the advice but I guess interact with GG in a a different way than you. While I find his very specific personal attacks repugnant, I'm amused by some of his other rantings and he's been very helpful to me from a musical standpoint in a few instances. He seems to give this place a bit of symmetry. Just my opinion. I really don't want to turn this into one of those kind of threads so I'll close on that subject. I would like you to know that I've derived a lot of spiritual inspiration from many of your postings and really appreciate the way you tend this place with such care.

Best wishes, Frankie


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 05:50 PM

Best wishes to you too Frank. Thanks for the complement.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 06:04 PM

Now listen hear, young'un! You stop that! Frankie, don't listen to her! Actually, do listen because I DO want to say thank you for the compliment, and yes, Lil Neo/BB, it goes for you as well, 'cause you've brought your own Light to the 'Cat and inspired a bunch of us.

As for the other, to each his own, I guess, Frankie. Personally, I don't think there should be a place here for someone who postes such vitriol, BUT I don't want to see another of those endless threads, either, so will shut my trap.

Thank you very much,

katlaughingatBBandhercleverness


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 06:30 PM

Just looked up curmudgeon in a big dictionary I bought in a boot fair*.

Here's what it said:

Etymology unknown. In the first edition of his Dictionary Johnson doubtfully suggests as the origin of the word, coeur mechant, giving as the source of the suggestion "an unknown correspondent"; Ash, the compiler of an English Dictionary a little later, misunderstood this and boldly explained the word as derived from:
Fr.coeur "unknown", and mechant "a correspondent"

So for a brief shining moment at least curmudgeon was defined as meaning "an unknown correspondent". Not such a bad term for our anonymous friend.

But it's a great sounding word, and I'm honoured to be accorded it. Especially in such compamy.

Oh yes, the dictionary meaning:

"A churlish, cross-grained, surly, ill-tempered cantankerous fellow."

Yup, I can live with that. In fact I can revel in it.

*(The Universal English Dictionary, edited by Henry Cecil Wyld B.Lit.,M.A., Hon. Ph.D. Upsala; Honorary Member of the Linguistic Society and of the Modern Lanmguage Assiociation of America; Late Merton Professor of English Language and Literature in the University of Oxford. With an Appendix by Eric Partridge, Author of "Slang and Unconventional English"; "Usage and Abusage: A Guide to Good English." Published by The Waverley Book Company in London.)


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Mbo
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 06:53 PM

OOOHHH Merton. Tolkien was Professor of Anglo-Saxon Literature there!

--Mbo (The Thread Creep)


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 07:40 PM

McGrath! LOL! Please see today's Thought for the Day. In it, I claim rights to be the Curmudgeon of the Day and I love the definition you posted.

BTW, when I think of that word, I usually think of Cleveland Armory and his book about the Curmedgeon and the Cat, himself being the "ole grouch" in question, but a loveable grouch, not unlike yourself and the others I named.**BG**

katlaughingforsure!


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: InOBU
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 07:56 PM

Dear KaT! Again, returning to the musical. I will have tapes soon, and will let folks know. I did play on a CD, which, in spite fear of offending the VERY nice people who wrote the tune I play on, I should explain, the tune is not representive of my playing or Irish music. I know Scott MX Turner, would no tbe offended if I say his music is not traditional... so, if one hears me on the CD Sniper in an abandoned house (no kidding) with the band Devels Advocates, playing on the song for Pat Finucane, it is not really my style ...
However! at long last, I have put together a band that reflects my view of living Irish traditional music, Sorcha Dorcha, and we do songs from Ireland Enlgand, Scotland, and Bretony - as well as a few of my own, and if I can bring our very agreeable flute player around to love it as much as I, some Romani (Gypsy) tunes. For information about performances - see New York Mudcat Seisun\Jam post, and as soon as we find ourselves at a point when we can put a few tunes on tape for friends, before anything too formal, we will and I will let folks know how to get them.
Contrary to what might be some peoples image of my politics, (he said smiling) we dont do Irish republican songs, because they are often over done, and people dont often pay attention to the point and histories in them - but we do songs about forced assimilation of American natives, and songs about the murder and oppression of Gypsies, as well as some old greats like Tom of Bedlam. We do not, nor have plans to do Good old Rebel, even though also written by humans, as are songs about social change for justice. (sorry could not help it Kat - as I said, the cracked rib is making me a little less than normally agreeable - he also said with a smile and a groan!)
Hope to see all one day, and hear most!
Larry


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: kendall
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 07:57 PM

What did I say to be branded a curmudgeon?


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 08:01 PM

Aw shaddup and enjoy the fame ya old poop....Just try not to get stabbed.........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Art Thieeme
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 08:37 PM

Bert,

Howdy. I can see the good in your suggestion--and thank you!

Starting musical threads isn't where I'm at right now. I do enjoy using what little knowledge I might've picked up over the years to add to some of the threads that others have started. It's a kick to realize I've got those bits and pieces that might be unknown to a few. The dim and fading glow cast by the coals of my memory are often aroused to flaming heat by some of the queries I can sometimes find here. The talk forum seems so limited; but adding my dos centavos to these threads is a miraculous connecting to the world on that latger level---and with one click.

I still look through the musical thread titles that insinuate a need for something I maybe can offer. But when Frank Hamilton showed up with his grand willingness to let us in on "Weaver times" and people from his first hand knowledge----well, I jumped right into that B.S. because it was not only musical, but it's factual offerings were enlightening and transporting.

To those of you who never knew what this place was before---PLEASE look back a year or two.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:44 AM

Going through a lot of changes as the 1900's slip away. I've gotten to where I may be offended by music. Not sure yet. Will report.

Chet


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Penny S.
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 10:51 AM

I wouldn't have compared, or contrasted, the IRA with the KKK, but the tactics section there seemed a little limited. If kneecapping members of your own community (and this can now mean amputation, because the action has been made more severe to counter the surgeons' developing skills), and planting bombs where they can blow up children are included in normal articles of war, then they shouldn't be.

I do try to keep out of this argument. I started on the side of civil rights in Ireland. I don't like what successive British governments have done. I detest the way the Unionists governed the North. I understand what drove resistance. But I don't understand, or condone its ultimate expression in the deaths of countless and in many cases unreported, innocents.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Penny S.
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 11:36 AM

And as the sun goes down, I don't want it setting on that mood.

May what belongs in the 1900s stay in the 1900s, and what deserves to go on to the future do so, and there be peace and songs, and no more sniping at each other and harping on the darknesses of the past.

May what has been settled in Ireland hold, and the future there work, and show others what can be done where there has been hate.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: kendall
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:29 PM

dont worry spaw, believe me, I'm more than able to take care of myself.


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: selby
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 12:53 PM

Just as in real life in a place where inteligent people gather to play or listen to music the conversation has drifted all over. Personally I reckon thats pretty good for a computer based meeting room. I have to stop talking now as they are playing Boy's of Blue Hill and I want to join in Keith


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Subject: RE: Wasn't this about music?
From: Chet W.
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 03:56 PM

Very well said. There's about 8 hours left in this time zone. I'd like to imagine all bad ideas and hatred scurrying like mice for a place to stay hid.

C


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