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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 04:47 AM

To willingly take yourself to a warzone where it is a given that life may be terminated by bomb, bullet, malnutrition, lack of medical faciities, etc. etc. Then remain to have3 children, who have all subsequently died, is to exhibit a behavioural trait that requires explanation.
Fanatic springs to mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 04:25 AM

"the mother chose to go"
Sick as it gets really - seems to be indicative of the level British society has sunk to
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 04:12 AM

the mother chose to go

Yes, she did. When she was, what was it? 14 or 15? Not old enough to vote. Not old enough to drink. Certainly not old enough to make life changing decisions. Dissatisfied with her home life, as most teenagers are. Lured by the promise of doing something important. Used, and more than likely, abused by her new "family". And for this she has had to go through the trauma of war, seeing atrocities first hand and losing 3 children. And they are trying to justify our government's complicity in this.

Arseholes is far too mild an expression.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 03:14 AM

"This country has not refused to return her"
No - but Britain has been complicit in the death of a newborn child by forcing a teenage British citizen to seek refuge in a squalid and insanitary refugee camp
One wonders at the total deaths that have taken place in such circumstances - the British establishment never blinked a tear when they dragged bodies of DROWNED REFUGEES from the sea rather than give them the sanctuary that has always been afforded
I wonder if "anti-semite" screamers like Bobad would have been as indifferent to the death o this child if it had been a Jewish refugee fleeing Israel
THere would heve been far less Jews in this world if wartime Britain, with all its problems, has adopted the same inhuman stance to those fleeing Nazi Germany
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Mar 19 - 02:25 AM

Ireland has kept quiet on this - surprise surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 11:20 PM

If it is fair to be concerned with the followers of Meir Kahane and their influence on the government of Israel (and I think it is), it is likewise fair to be concerned with Islamic immigrants and their beliefs when they seek to enter someone else's country. Most of the countries they come from have jihadist citizens and endorse a theocratic monoculture including laws on the books of heresy and blasphemy which are applied to ALL citizens, even if they are not part of the monoculture. A lot of the rising antisemitism in Europe is due not to generational Europeans, but the new wave of Islamic immigrants. It is a valid concern to people who have a chance to stop such problems at their borders.

At the same time, it is not wise to go all squirrelly and protectionist to the nth degree. Syria became a horrible place to those who did not have a 'dog in the fight' i.e. were not eager to live under Bashir Assad and were not prospective ISIS members. They do deserve a hearing and a refuge, at least temporarily. I tended to go along with German PM Angela Merkels' philosophy of opening Europe to these new migrants.

I'm saying that there are valid reasons to question mass immigration from such different places. But it calls for deliberation and decision making, not knee-jerk responses and canned platitudes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 09:05 PM

What a pair of inhuman arseholes you are.

Well, that answers my question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Stanron
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 08:44 PM

The news talked of a lung infection. 5 degrees C at night with no heating and very little food. It's hard to see how she could have got out soon enough to save the child. Is she still in Syria or is she in Turkey?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 08:40 PM

What a pair of inhuman arseholes you are. A nineteen-year-old has just lost her child after our "civilised" country has refused her return home from a dreadful refugee camp. Christ, what's the matter with both of you?

This country has not refused to return her. She can only request help returning by seeking consular assistance in a country with a consul/embassy. She is out there by her own choice. This country has many calls on its facilities, and I see no reason why the country should be expected to provide assistance(or give any priority) for a self-inflicted problem.

Calling those who try to make reasonable points 'arseholes' is the type of ploy which I have come to expect from Steve Shaw, who is unable to put forward a reasoned argument, but seems to avoid any censure by the moderators on the forum.

Appeals to 'Christ' or 'Jesus Christ', twice within the last couple of hours, from a self-avowed atheist, are unnecessary and offensive.

Please, moderators, show some even-handedness here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 08:27 PM

What a pair of inhuman arseholes you are. A nineteen-year-old has just lost her child after our "civilised" country has refused her return home from a dreadful refugee camp. Christ, what's the matter with both of you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 08:20 PM

"So her child has died". And this is a reason to have a go at the UK reaction to the situation?

Perhaps the base cause is just that the mother chose to go and live in a country where conditions were less than ideal for bearing and bringing up children. A country which the (British) Foreign Office were advising that British citizens should avoid visiting, and where, if they did visit, no consular help could be supplied, because we no longer have a consulate in that country.

No matter what the bleeding hearts will tell you, it is the mother who should accept responsibility for the outcome of her actions, sad though that outcome may be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 07:58 PM

Do either of you have any information as to the cause of death or are you just using this baby's death as a platform to proclaim your superior virtuousness?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 07:48 PM

Well bollocks to it, Raggytash. Jesus Christ, if a civilised country can't make at least a bit of of a priority for tiny babies born of one of our own people...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 06:43 PM

Tragic news, that perhaps could have been avoided.

However I doubt that some on here will perceive it as such.

And again no doubt they will sleep easy in their beds tonight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 05:46 PM

So her baby has died. Two weeks ago the baby was doing well. I suppose someone is going to tell me that his death is an act of God and absolutely nothing to do with the fact that a political decision was made to keep her and her child incarcerated in appalling conditions in a dreadful refugee camp.

Go to hell, Javid. And the sooner the better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 07:12 AM

THE HIDDEN FACE OF TERRORISM
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 06:51 AM

Journal of Strategic SecurityVolume 9Number 3Volume 9, No. 3, Special Issue Fall2016: Emerging ThreatsArticle 6The Hidden Face of Terrorism: AnAnalysis of the Women in Islamic State


https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/26473339.pdf

They are all potential threats until proven otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 06:30 AM

Jihadi bride' is probably living in fear of her gang turning nasty on her.
Confirmed this morning
Teenager and newborn child, threatened by Isis inmates, abandoned by her government and probably in fear of their safety from mob violence if she returns to Britain
Make yrr proud to be a Brit
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 03:31 AM

Yes! you will be chased by the fluffy bunny brigade, all mouth and no trousers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 06:30 PM

Yep, you've been warned pfr, better take heed. :-) :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 06:06 PM

I warned you, pfr... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 09:31 AM

Exactly pfr, your post is spot on.

It's heartening to see posters becoming aware of the poisonous group dynamics at play here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 08:43 AM

bob - isis is a real gang, 'Jihadi bride' is probably living in fear of her gang turning nasty on her.
The potential consequences for this young woman and her baby
will be far worse
than anything mudcatters can do to each other if they fall out for a day or two..


I always try to keep things in perspective...


Kids.. just say no to gangs...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 08:17 AM

See what "friends" you accumulate, pfr? :-) :-) :-)

I'm sure the passive aggressive nature of this post didn't escape your notice, pfr. That you disagree with him on this subject places you out of his his group and with his "enemies" ie anyone who has an opinion that differs from his. He's trying to shame you and have you renounce me as your "friend". Classic schoolyard bully tactics.

Similarly, I'm sure you've seen another member of the echo chamber demonizing a poster on another thread for daring to have an opinion contrary to his.

Just wait 'til they all gang up on you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 02:44 AM

Anyway back to the thread title, latest news suggests the young lady has done a runner from the camp she was residing int. “She is living in fear of her life. There is a bounty on her head. She felt she had no option but to move her and her child to have a chance of survival.
“Shamima has become something of a celebrity and is constantly looking over her shoulder, fearing brutal reprisals for daring to speak out about life with ISIS.
“She’s in misery, but only has herself to blame.”

As the posters said in WW2:" Careless talk costs lives!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 10:29 PM

Steve/bob - There are folks I respect and admire at mudcat..
Then there are mudcatters I have no respect for whatsoever.

Sometimes, depending on specific posts there can be fluidity and temporary crossover...
Most other mudcatters don't register for too long in my failing memory...

A good well written thought provoking post stands on it's own merit, whoever wrote it..

What I don't do is join mudcat gangs, never have, never will...

Outside of mudcat, I stubbornly avoid all social networks....
I'm not a sociable person, which is one reason I never joined the Labour party...
Just occasionally sitting in with mates at branch meetings was enough for me.
There were too many annoying idiots, I haven't the patience...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 09:46 PM

See what "friends" you accumulate, pfr? :-) :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 09:39 PM

Btw.. If I had an air gun I'd prefer to shoot at seagulls,
paper targets of anyone's face would be boring...

Yes, I know gulls are a protected species, and harming them is illegal.
But as I don't have any weapons,
the wife took away and hid my catapault and bag of dried peas the day after I bought it,
no flying shitbag vermin need worry about me...

..and 40ish years ago I used to spend summers hitching round Cornwall with my girlfriend and a tent..
We were into coastal hiking & nude sunbathing...
because we were too skint to do anything else....
Those were the days we were becoming politically radicalised
through membership of Rock Against Racism and The Anti N@zi League...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 09:17 PM

Steve - Not everyone can attain your level of moral high ground perfection.
Reactionary and sometimes objectionable prejudices
are a fact of life amongst ordinary working class folks
who used to constitute Labour's traditional core vote...

In most places outside of lefty liberal mudcat BS you will not be taken seriously or tolerated
for your views on the 'Jihadi bride' and these bloody silly pellet targets...
It's largely agreed she should come back to face the music, and her baby should be cared for.
But reality is she's stuck where she is at mercy of an uncertain future.
Getting so worked up about these pellet targets and attacking anyone who isn't as bothered as you
is completely self-indulgent and sows rancour amongst 'friends'...

We seem to have different priorities and methods.
Though we both want the same end, a Labour Govt.
I think we both favour a moderate to quite left manifesto...
This will never happen when a mass of voters are made to feel Labour is no longer their party.

I am becoming even more convinced that as long as the Labour party
continues to be taken over by middle class academics/ideologues,
who are discomforted by and disdainful of the 'uncouth and unruly working class'..*
Then Labour's chances of forming a Govt are f@cked...

Zealous lefties lecturing and scolding anyone who thinks the targets are just 'a bit of fun'
is not likely to win such folks round to continuing to vote labour,
or doing it for a first time...!!!

The mass of new members who have signed up for party membership
because of JC,
are not enough to win an election.
My educated guess is they are mostly young idealistic students
and unrepresentative of the old core Labour voters...???
SO unrepresentative that their presence may be turning away far more older less radical Labour supporters....??????

The far right is eagerly waiting with open arms for all who are driven out from Labour towards their cluches...


[* a pefect example of a "discomforted and disdainful middle class lefty"
was my Ideology lecturer over 35 years ago..
an academic militant politicised in her student youth in some kind of circa 1968 revolutionary socialist party..
I saw her on a bus once sat amidst young working class 'oiks'
and the rigid look of fearful distaste & discomfort on her face was priceless...]


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 07:40 PM

when I called you his mate.

That's what shit stains like you do, try to turn people against each other so as to curry favour with and increase your standing with your mates. You are transparently obvious and your bully tactics are well recognized.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 07:26 PM

If you can't stand the stink, well you know what to do. And be advised that pfr didn't like it when I called you his mate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 07:09 PM

pfr look up virtue signalling, this place stinks of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 07:05 PM

I live in the poorest county with the poorest farmers in the UK, on one of those struggling farms, and thirty-two years here have taught me that there is no rural idyll, thanks. I dunno whether you live in the middle of Taunton or Bridgwater or summat (even lovely Somerset has its townies) but you appear to be looking Kernow-ward with severely rose-tinted specs. Maybe you've never been here, or maybe you once came here for a week on your hols when a hippie in your dope-scented VW camper van. As if this further attempt at diversion has anything whatsoever to do with using the image of an extremely vulnerable woman, sorry, MUSLIM young woman, as target practice for the racist brainless (after all, no decent person would ever shoot at that image. Would you? No, bottom line - would YOU?). You've shown that you can scattergun around a ton of issues that belong in a different thread but which you opportunistically see as a means of attacking someone who has called you out in order to shift away from the issue. Wot a shame.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 06:04 PM

Steve - I was agreeing with you up until "Diversifying..."
then you go off on an imaginative flight of daftness.

I'm not at all embarrassed...

but I had to look up "hubris".. just to check I remembered what it means..
it's not a word encountered too frequently round our way..

Nope.. not that either...

I am entirely transparent, I say what I mean.
I'm responding apropriately to unjustified smears on my integrity and motives.
All on the basis of your hyped up take on a trivial news item..
Far worse things happen every day...

I respond by talking about political pragmatics,
you seem more concerned with lecturing me on your opinions
and trying to analyse me..

All a bit too self indulgent of you, and pointless really...

Yes there is a negative ideological dimension to those pellet targets.
BUT it's not likely they would have much effect in the outside world beyond the pellet gun club walls.
However, keeping it in perspective,
last general election there was a rented house full of skinheads living across the road.
They had a massive B'n'P poster covering their bay window
as a intimidating provocation for the young black mum and her kids
who lived directly opposite.
I emailed the police, who did eff all...

I live near one of the most deprived estates in the West country,
You seem to enjoy life in idyllic rural surroundings...

One of us may be more in touch with modern reality than the other...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 03:44 PM

My beef is with the way the young woman in question is being demonised/negatively depicted/generally mistreated by the media. That softens people up to become accepting of awful things such as using her photo for target practice. The legitimisation of sheer nastiness. You see that process as trivial and I don't. Diversifying the issue into whether we'll get a Labour government, etc., is a sideshow of your making. An attempt to change the embarrassing subject. The approach suggests hubris and is quite transparent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 02:58 PM

My mum's gone nearly 70 years voting in a tory safe seat and has never seen Labour win anything..

..and now previously safe labour seats are struggling against ex voters who would rather not vote at all anymore
because they no longer see any point in the old party system..

Unless they are seduced by the simplistic popularist hate rhetoric of right wing candidates,
who come from the same local backgrounds and are easier to identify with...???

I wouldn't be surprised if our local far right youtuber eventually get's ambitions for public office...

Will we ever see another Labour Govt...???????????


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 02:19 PM

Steve - you need to understand Labour can not hope to ever regain lost working class voters
if they are being constantly judged, preached to, and scolded by sanctimonious middle class lefties
who treat them with disdain...

The far right does understand this all too well,
and is rapidly exploiting this mass exodus of disaffected previously loyal traditional Labourites,
who are sick of seeing the party being taken over by Oxbridge blairites in posh suits and ties,
and extreme lefty student zealots who dress and look like 'weirdos'...

Go and address your opinions to any of these ex Labour voters and see how far you get...

Re-engaging these lost voters will not be easy,
or comfortable for over-sensitive didactic PC control freaks...

Wonder if we'll see another Labour Govt...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 01:25 PM

I've referred to your comments, not attacked you in person. In view of your last few posts, you can't say the same, unfortunately. But your comments may betray the real you for all I know. As for racism, I asked you whether the cap fits. Clearly you don't think it does. My remark did not amount to calling you a racist. Even though you think that shooting a gun at a photo of a young Muslim woman in front of kids is trivial. Not a symptom of anything. Can't possibly deprave or corrupt or give comfort to the inner racism in us. Just us having harmless fun. Not applying implicit judgement of any kind to her. Yeah, sure.

And whaddya know, they shouldn't be shooting at pictures of Thatcher or anyone else either. That kind of behaviour diminishes us. We can far better shoot them down on forums like this or in animated argiebargies in the pub or in piss-taking satire on the telly or in cartoons in the papers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 10:12 AM

well.. so far on mudcat I've been accused of being anti-semitic, anti-muslim, and anti-christian...*

I could probaly annoy agnostics and atheists as well before too long...

Folks can't say I'm not even-handed...???


[* any other faiths want to have a go at me - because I'm sure I can probably find something to upset them...]


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 06:38 AM

Justin Bieber, Margaret Thatcher and Donald Trump are among the other famous targets used by the same range.
Does your outrage extend to them also? Your little packmates were quite happy to see an effigy of Trump's head paraded around and kept very quiet about the threats to his son.

Tell me laddie. Are you expressing outrage or hypocrisy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 05:44 AM

Strikes me that shooting at a picture of a 19-year-old Muslim girl, potentially in front of children, is about on the same level as hate speech. Islamophobia made acceptable, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 05:02 AM

I wonder how the trollish gnome struggles up on to his high horse?
Does he use a block and tackle?

As Kacey Musgrave says:

And I think we've seen enough, seen enough
To know that you ain't ever gonna come down
So, why don't you giddy up, giddy up
And ride straight out of this town


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 04:21 AM

Even the most loathsome adversaries can occasionally write the most level headed and entertaining posts

With which they sucker you into responding before resorting to abuse and trollish behaviour. As long as you keep responding, they will keep doing it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 03:01 AM

"I never got round to joining the Labour party,"
Me neither, but if some of the present promises are genuine I would seriously consider becoming part of them (if I lived in the UK)
I might even get round to voting again
One of the most promising signs has been the return in considerable numbers, the people who were driven out by New Labour and its war criminal leader
Politics would be very important if it wasn't for the politicians
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 10:59 PM

Steve - what mates of choice...??? apparently not you.. and certainly not Iains and bob...!!!
I can maintain polite interaction with folks I disagree with,
as well as take the piss when it's battle time...
Even the most loathsome adversaries can occasionally write the most level headed and entertaining posts...
Likewise, allies can write complete wrongheaded bollocks...


Yes I do think you are making a big blustering fuss about something quite trivial
in the greater scheme of matters of real life importance..

..and your jumping to pompous over-extrapolated conclusions,
accusing me of being racist on no sensible evidence whatsoever,
merely on the basis of your own overwraught self important moralistic misinterpretation
of a few hastily written sentences I have posted...
... well...

I stand by my opinions, and won't be bossed around...

Most ordinary folks are not paragons of PC rectitude,
and they certainly can't stand being patronised, dictated to, and controlled..
I can now conclude you are far too out of touch to have any influence
in persuading anyone working class to return to voting Labour..

I have very good friends who have devoted their lives to the local Labour Party.
I have the utmost respect for them.
Together we have been united against racism and the far right for over 40 years

But it is saddening to see the self-destructive infighting that is destroying the party..
Vindictive crucifying of anyone who dares oppose the scheming blairite bullies..
Or won't accept the control freakery of the furthest left academic radical fanatics,
obsessed with politics of identity and representation - symbolism and semiotics..
[or even just petty stupid air pellet targets].

They are the real useful idiots,
alienating potential voters with their antagonistic public displays
of self-indulgent self-rightious ideological extremism...
They are regarded as jokes by the wider electorate,
who dismiss Labour as irrelevant;
and despised as enemies of 'the people' by the increasingly popularist far right...

I never got round to joining the Labour party,
and can't expect I ever will..
knives to the back and front would be stabbing from all directions...
Such sheer stress treading on eggshells all the time...
Daring not speak in case an innocent word enrages any of a multitude of diverse self importanty zealots...

I am becoming even more convinced that we are condemned to many more years of tory misrule...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 08:44 PM

Well first of all your erstwhile mates of choice haven't got any bollocks to begin with. Choose your friends better is my advice. Second, thanks for the verbiage, pfr (always a sign of diversionary guilt-stroke-digging in), but do try to focus. A shooting club, attended by mostly whites, uses a picture of a nineteen-year-old Muslim girl, a victim of ISIS, as target practice. Six-year-olds are allowed to attend and see this. You think that's trivial. I think it's symptomatic of this country's abhorrent acquiescence in Islamophobia. I think that anyone who's allowed to take shots at her face in the image is receiving institutional comfort and succour in their race hatred. You think that doesn't matter. I wouldn't dream of shooting at that image if I were a member of that shooting club, and I'd resign my membership. Maybe you'd take your shots and laugh it off. Sorry, mate, you may be a fellow Westcountry lad but we have parted company here. Trivialising race hatred is racist. If the cap fits and all that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 07:20 PM

Steve - Hysterical sanctimonious over-reactions from paternalistic middle class lefties
will not win back support from all the former Labour voters
who are finding the far right more appealing to their working class sensibilities...

I want a real Labour Govt back in power at some point in my limited life-time,
not blairite tory lite,
nor immature academic lefties who are more obsessed with fringe issues
than the most important priorities of rebuilding divisive tory damage to our families and nation...

One of the most popular and worst of the hate spreading far right youtubers,
who is amassing a huge following of disaffected ex labour voters,
lives too close to my town...
In such near vicinity I can almost smell him...
I live amongst the kind of folks he is 'recruiting'..
He and his vile ilk depend on self-indulgent lefties like you
talking down to the masses and driving more and more ordinary folks towards his clutches...

I depair at the rising influence and legitimacy of the far right.
So how dare you even imply anyone who does not agree with every word you say
is anti-muslim...!!!

Ironically, you may be one of the liabilities on the left
who makes the far right's goal of converting ordinary folks into their supporters
all that much easier...?????????

Little wonder Iains and bob are laughing their bollocks off...

Even back in the late 1970s I became aware that some of my enemies on the right
were actually less obnoxious human beings than too many of my own kind on the left...


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 06:21 PM

Or you could try answering the question instead of issuing insults. After all, you have form. Is it because the nineteen-year-old girl is a Muslim? Any chance of a touch of honesty from you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: bobad
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 05:48 PM

Lol.....what a jerk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Should 'Jihadi bride' come back to UK?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 05:33 PM

Or that you think it's ok because she's a Muslim? Straight answer? I doubt it...


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