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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Steve Shaw 07 Jun 19 - 05:21 PM
DMcG 07 Jun 19 - 05:15 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Jun 19 - 04:55 PM
Iains 07 Jun 19 - 04:53 PM
Raggytash 07 Jun 19 - 04:39 PM
Iains 07 Jun 19 - 04:30 PM
Raggytash 07 Jun 19 - 03:32 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Jun 19 - 02:58 PM
Iains 07 Jun 19 - 02:44 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Jun 19 - 02:25 PM
Iains 07 Jun 19 - 01:42 PM
Nigel Parsons 07 Jun 19 - 01:40 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Jun 19 - 01:37 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Jun 19 - 01:28 PM
Nigel Parsons 07 Jun 19 - 01:05 PM
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DMcG 07 Jun 19 - 12:56 PM
Iains 07 Jun 19 - 12:35 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Jun 19 - 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 05:21 PM

Margaret bloody Hodge has a lot to answer for. She is one of the most serially disreputable and dishonest politicians we have. Go on, look her up. You really don't need allies like her, anti-Labourites. And she's my party...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 05:15 PM

Back in my 'O' level English days, there were lots of questions of the form "Compare and contrast X and Y". An answer that went into X at great length but didn't mention Y would get an automatic fail for not answering the question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:55 PM

I trust I have answered your query!”

No, you haven’t. What’s more, you know you haven’t but, like a deceitful, cowardly barrack-room lawyer, you wriggle, run, and hide behind agenda-driven cut-and-pastes in order to deflect from, and avoid answering, the question.

It’s perfectly simple - do YOU regard the anti-semitism of which Lisa Forbes is accused as worse than, equal to, or not as serious as, the racism demonstrated by Farage in his poster showing him in front of a doctored photo of a line of Syrian refugees attempting to escape torture, rape, and murder, with the caption “Breaking Point - The EU has failed us”?

No hiding like a cringing coward behind cut-and-pastes of others’ words - your own opinion .

But, of course, we all know you have not the grace, the honesty, or the courage to answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:53 PM

If you inhabited realtime you could answer your own question. This query has been dismissed a number of times as it relies on powers of divination in order to answer it. Sadly my chicken bones do not work for me. Perhaps they have been chlorinated!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:39 PM

Anything positive to tell us about Brexit.............


perchance any good news .................????


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:30 PM

No, I asked for your judgment

It is: does Bruin sh*t in the woods? The labour Party has a problem

The Equality and Human Rights Commission’s announced last week that it is to formally investigate Labour over anti-Jewish racism
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/the-probe-into-labours-anti-semitism-gives-hope-to-britains-jews/

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-official-s-bombshell-email-sparks-fears-party-tried-to-avoid-scrutiny-over-antisemitis

"Like her party leader she accuses the BBC of being “pro-Israel”, this is now a matter of course for Corbynistas. As recently as just a few months ago Forbes posted in an anti-Semitic hate group that talks of “Zionist rats”. The group itself posts content alleging the Jewish State has “improper influence” and “spends a fortune perverting our democracy”, promotes rallies organised by Hamas and proscribed terror group Palestinian Islamic Jihad."
Forbes has quietly deleted Facebook posts but they still exist. Forbes signed a letter to Labour’s NEC calling on the party to not adopt the IHRC definition of anti-Semitism in full…

"Labour MP Jess Phillips said despite Jeremy Corbyn’s party beating Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party to win the seat, “I cannot be gleeful or proud as I’d want to be because of how it shows that anti-Semitism is becoming normal in the party”.
Labour MP Wes Streeting echoed Ms Phillips’ views, adding he had not campaigned in Peterborough because he wanted to demonstrate a “zero tolerance” approach to anti-Semitism.

Labour former minister Dame Margaret Hodge said on Twitter: “Seriously mixed feelings about the Peterborough result. I never want to see Nigel Farage’s party in Parliament.“But Lisa Forbes and the Labour Party have a lot to answer for. We must learn lessons and never have a repeat of this. Have formally raised concerns with party leadership.”

The Jewish Labour Movement said Ms Forbes needed to go “far further” in her apology and condemned Party bosses for having “consistently failed to take a zero-tolerance approach to anti-Jewish hate”.
A movement spokesman added: “This has encouraged a culture to develop where not only is it acceptable for someone who has shared racist material and rejected the internationally accepted IHRA definition of anti-semitism to be a member, but they can advance politically and gain public office.”

I trust I have answered your query!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 03:32 PM

Nigel, thanks but I am fully aware of that. However as some of your cohorts like to "juggle" with numbers I thought, as a matter of balance, I could do the same.

I did say in my post "I think I will emulate the wild claims that are made by some posters." which should have given you some indication that my tongue was in my cheek.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:58 PM

No, I asked for your judgment. Man-up, stop wriggling like a belly-dancer, and answer the question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:44 PM

https://www.politicalite.com/labour-2/exclusive-convicted-labour-vote-rigger-out-campaigning-today-for-labour-in-peterborough/

I wonder if the electoral Commissioners will be checking the validity of the postal vote (6000 according to some sources)

And, if she is proved to have made utterances that could be construed to be anti-Semitic, that makes her worse than the racist leader of the BP

Labour MP Lisa Forbes, who won the Peterborough by-election on Thursday, is facing a backlash from within the Labour Party after it emerged she had liked Facebook posts that were accused of being anti-Semitic.
namely: that Ms Forbes had liked a post saying Theresa May had a “Zionist Slave Masters agenda” alongside a video of children praying after the New Zealand terrorist attack.

In another comment she said she had “enjoyed reading” a thread claiming Islamic extremism was created “by the CIA and Mossad.”

Judge for yourself !


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:25 PM

So, how about your response to the actual question posed in the same post - repeated here to save you the trouble of looking back for it?

“And, if she is proved to have made utterances that could be construed to be anti-Semitic, that makes her worse than the racist leader of the BP who posed in front of a ‘doctored’ photo of Syrian refugees fleeing torture, rape and murder, with the caption ‘Breaking Point - The EU has failed us’, because....what???”


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:42 PM

Nigel it was but rumour and hearsay when I posted. Confirmation came 5 minutes later.


You really don't.Oh but I do!    I await with baited breath(so to speak)

To put the by election result into remainer terms we can use a simple analogy for the proposed terms of a second referendum:

Leave with deal                Vote Tory
leave without deal             Vote Brexit Party
Stay in EU                        Vote Labour

If the vote is split between Tory supporters and the Brexit party unintended consequences occur, namely Labour shuffles in. It is a little simplistic because obviously as a local election with a 20%component of foreigners numerous factors come into play and Labour exploited this far better than the opposition,despite the new MP's controversial social media posts.

However for the Brexit party, that only came into being recently, to come a close second is a major achievement, no matter how hard you try to deny it. They came out of nowhere to take 29% of the vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:40 PM

A classic example is whether to look at percentages, numbers or rates of growth. Many people pick which they like to enhance their view, while ignoring the equally valid statistics that don't suit them.

You do just that. Well done.

In response to a post which did the same but from the opposite viewpoint. Which is what I was pointing out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:37 PM

”A very brief search will uncover her own words that condemn her. It is very hard to refute the strong whiff of antisemitism within them.”

So, how about your response to the actual question posed in the same post - repeated here to save you the trouble of looking back for it?

“And, if she is proved to have made utterances that could be construed to be anti-Semitic, that makes her worse than the racist leader of the BP who posed in front of a ‘doctored’ photo of Syrian refugees fleeing torture, rape and murder, with the caption ‘Breaking Point - The EU has failed us’, because....what???”


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:28 PM

Good timing, Nigel. Just after DMcGs post saying

A classic example is whether to look at percentages, numbers or rates of growth. Many people pick which they like to enhance their view, while ignoring the equally valid statistics that don't suit them.

You do just that. Well done.

Just a reminder to all that anti-Semitism is nothing to do with brexit. Nor is it being anti Israel or pro Palestine. In this instance it is just a mechanism to divert attention from the abysmal performance of this government to deliver anything and the blatant racism of the nicotine stained toad and his minions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:05 PM

Rumour is that private prosecution of Boris thrown out by High Court.
Even The Guardian confirms that the summons has been quashed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 01:01 PM

Nicely avoiding my point which was that the margin of victory has INCREASED since the election of 2017.
By number of votes, yes, marginally.
According to BBC the Labour vote share in 2017 was 48.1%, with Labour having a 1.3% margin over the Conservatives.
This is compared to 31% of the vote in the latest election. (from BBC, where the margin over the Conservatives had increased to 10%, but there was only a 2% margin over Brexit.
So the increase in the numerical margin was likely to be because the opposing vote was split.

You are not comparing like with like. The fact that the Labour vote share dropped noticeably to 31% suggests that they would be stopped dead by 'tactical voting'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 12:56 PM

I look forward to seeing proof of my own misuse of statistics

You really don't.

It goes back to what I was saying that the crux of lying is intention to deceive. Any statistic reduces a complex set of numbers to a simpler set, often just a single number. So an honest statistic does so while making every effort to keep as much useful information as possible while discarding as little useful information as possible. A lying statistic, on the other hand, typically has a point of view in mind and discards inconvenient data as far as possible in order to get the result you wish to present. A classic example is whether to look at percentages, numbers or rates of growth. Many people pick which they like to enhance their view, while ignoring the equally valid statistics that don't suit them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 12:35 PM

The level of misuse of statistics on the elections are quite prominent in the posts you gave, Iains.

The vital difference being that I use remainer statistics to demonstrate the mathemagic of remainers trying to convince the sane that they won the referendum.
I look forward to seeing proof of my own misuse of statistics

You mean “The alleged anti-Semite...”. As you are so fond of saying when the boot’s on the other foot, ‘innocent until proven guilty in a court of law’.

A very brief search will uncover her own words that condemn her. It is very hard to refute the strong whiff of antisemitism within them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 10:56 AM

”The anti-semite socialist...”

You mean “The alleged anti-Semite...”. As you are so fond of saying when the boot’s on the other foot, ‘innocent until proven guilty in a court of law’.

And, if she is proved to have made utterances that could be construed to be anti-Semitic, that makes her worse than the racist leader of the BP who posed in front of a ‘doctored’ photo of Syrian refugees fleeing torture, rape and murder, with the caption ‘Breaking Point - The EU has failed us’, because....what???


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 10:39 AM

That reminds my of that joke about irregular parts of speech: I am firm, you are stubborn, he is a pig headed fool.

The level of misuse of statistics on the elections are quite prominent in the posts you gave, Iains.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 10:15 AM

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”
? Mark Twain


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 09:46 AM

For an area where 60% of the voters voted to leave in the referendum I still think the less than 30% for the brexit circus (party gives them too much respectability) shows just how many people have now seen sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 08:14 AM

Doesn't alter the fact that the margin of victory has increased since the elections of 2017!!

To paraphrase one of your number "Labour won ......deal with it!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 08:08 AM

Rumour is that private prosecution of Boris thrown out by High Court.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 08:02 AM

Cannot be bothered to paraphrase, so from another source:
"Ignore the Labour/Remain crowing and hubris over Peterborough. It's facile.

Labour won over TBP in Peterborough by just 2%. In Brexit terms of 3.78% that is below marginal. Time for a second Peoples Vote to make sure, eh?

Turnout was 48% and Labour's vote decreased by a whopping -17.2%. In reality Labour 'won' with a paltry 30.9% of 48% of eligible voters. Using 'Remain logic' that is a risible 14.8% of the electorate who voted for Labour. The anti-semite socialist represents less than 15% of the people there. More than 75% of the electorate did not want Labour to represent them.

On the other hand TBP, with no previous percentage to swing from gained a 28.9% swing in its favour from a standing start and without a manifesto! Not only did they relegate Tories to third place but were snapping at Labour's heels in what was probably a Labour import rigged election anyway. The outlook is sunny for TBP. For LibLabCon not so good. That is difficult for them to see with their heads planted firmly in denial"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 07:40 AM

... still offer peerages...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 07:39 AM

Now May has officially stepped down it seems she can still peerage for the moment.

I had a slightly mad image of the bulk of the candidates to replace her being offered a seat in the Lords instead. I wonder how many would turn them down?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 07:38 AM

The Brexit Party don’t seem to be above employing mathermagic either. Their bloke on ‘Politics Live’ at the moment trying to dismiss the Labour majority in the Peterborough election because it was ‘marginal’. Yet, when it’s pointed out to BrexShitters that their majority in the Referendum was marginal, their response is that it was ‘a significant majority’, and represents ‘the will of the people’.

These people really are not of this world, are they? Thankfully, they will never hold enough seats to form a government or, for that matter, be the largest opposition party in Parliament.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 07:35 AM

Nicely avoiding my point which was that the margin of victory has INCREASED since the election of 2017.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 07:26 AM

Given the reason for the by-election being called it is frankly astonishing that Labour won the seat again especially with an increased margin over the second placed candidate.

Not really for those prepared to dig a little
https://www.peterborough.gov.uk/council/about-peterborough/census-2011/

The size of the majority is irrelevant. If you don't understand how representative democracy works I suggest that you go back and re-read Burke.

So pray tell, why do lefties use mathermagic to constantly dispute the outcome of the brexit referendum mandate to leave the EU?

As Spike says:17.4million Leave voters – the largest mandate for anything in British political history


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 06:47 AM

A deselection call would probably be rejected because this matter was well publicised before the vote. Iains link, is three days earlier, for example. So the rationale assumption is that voters took this into account when they voted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 06:46 AM

I think I will emulate the wild claims that are made by some posters.

Given the reason for the by-election being called it is frankly astonishing that Labour won the seat again especially with an increased margin over the second placed candidate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 06:40 AM

On antisemitism, I would listen to Jewish Voice for Labour, which is more open than the Jewish Labour Movement, and accuses the latter of being fixated on defending Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 06:32 AM

The electorate elects a representative. My reading of the definition of mandate is that it is an instruction to do something. An electorate definitely does not give an MP an instruction to do something. Only to represent all of the electors of that constituency, no matter whether they voted for that person or not. The size of the majority is irrelevant. If you don't understand how representative democracy works I suggest that you go back and re-read Burke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 06:20 AM

Labour doing well in the polls - Oh look, antisemitism!

When will they ever learn..?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 06:13 AM

Not an auspicious start:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/104305/jewish-labour-movement-disavow-partys

Is a deselection call in the offing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 06:08 AM

So you accept that you were wrong. The elctorate grants a mandate to the winner. The strength of the mandate is dictated by the size of the winning vote, as I stated.

As an aside though pertinent:
In a political first, the Labour affiliate group the Jewish Labour Movement has called for the whip to be removed from Labour’s newly elected MP for Peterborough before she has even had a chance to be sworn in as an MP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:56 AM

The winner has a mandate neither to promote brexit nor promote leave. The winner is entitled to follow her own predilections in that regard and will face the consequences at the next election. She can't "represent" both leavers and remainers. Her job is to act in what she regards as the best interests of her constituents. Hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 04:08 AM

A mandate is the authority granted by a constituency to act as its representative.
The authority to carry out a policy, regarded as given by the electorate to a party or candidate that wins an election
early 16th century: from Latin mandatum ‘something commanded’, neuter past participle of mandare, from manus ‘hand’ + dare ‘give’


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 03:48 AM

Unfortunately, individually-elected MPs don't have "mandates"... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 03:29 AM

BNot at all. Peterborough has always been a swing constituency. To use your own arguments the winner has less of a mandate that the brexiteers. The referendum result was won by a larger percentage than Labour's tenuous grasp on this seat.˜ 3.7/3.3 if my maths is correct.
Mathermagic tis a wonderful thing!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 03:00 AM

Your popcorn has turned into sour grapes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:51 AM

Very close run results.
Was it a Labour "we support brexit candididate"?
or a Labour "we do not support brexit candidate"?

The acceptance speech gave no clarity


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:47 AM

Our Resident Right-Wing-Extremist-Gammon ex-Squaddie Fruitcake will be along in a minute to tell us it was a ‘magnificent result’ for the ‘valiant Mr. Farage’. I’d have loved to see him doing his square-bashing on basic training, I can hear it now - “But sergeant-major, it’s not me who’s out of step, it’s everyone else!”.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:10 AM

He sneaked out of a back door minutes before the result was announced.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:06 AM

And how nice of the Brexit spokesman to blame houses full of Pakistanis for Labour's victory

Although Farage would have loved to win, I don't think he would be too bothered by a close result. He will, however, be furious with whoever said that. A key part of his strategy is that all the nasty racists have been left behind in UKIP and the Brexit Party is pure as the proverbial snow. Messages that show that is not the case are far more damaging than merely losing a single contest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 02:02 AM

Thank heavens people are beginning to see sense. In a city where brexit polled over 60% in the referendum, the electorate seem to have given the nasty party the boot. Of course the nicotine stained toad will try to spin it as a great victory but it seems that less than half of those who voted leave are still committed to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 19 - 12:50 AM

"Popcorn ? What a good idea !
To have while awaiting the results of the Peterborough By-election where the Brexit party is expected to give their opposition a fine drubbing. Truly a popcorn moment !"


Bwahaha! And how nice of the Brexit spokesman to blame houses full of Pakistanis for Labour's victory...

Leopards don't change their spots, do they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 19 - 02:41 PM

Makes you wonder why Aaron Banks, who made his millions in insurance, is bankrolling Farage and whatever his party of the month is. Surely he is not thinking there may be an opening in health insurance once the NHS is up for grabs. Nah, surely not ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jun 19 - 01:49 PM

The Americans know full well that the UK will be absolutely desperate for a trade agreement, and they will seek to take advantage of that. Nigel may have confidence that the government’s negotiators will resist, for instance, the inclusion of some or all of our healthcare provision, or drastic increases in the cost of drugs from the US. There are many of us though who don’t share that confidence, given the number of MPs who have vested interests in private healthcare and drug manufacturing businesses.


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