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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Jim Carroll 05 Jul 19 - 08:41 PM
DMcG 06 Jul 19 - 03:40 AM
Iains 06 Jul 19 - 11:19 AM
DMcG 06 Jul 19 - 12:22 PM
David Carter (UK) 06 Jul 19 - 02:03 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Jul 19 - 02:24 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Jul 19 - 03:59 AM
Iains 07 Jul 19 - 05:17 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 Jul 19 - 05:46 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Jul 19 - 05:54 AM
Iains 07 Jul 19 - 06:24 AM
Backwoodsman 07 Jul 19 - 06:53 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Jul 19 - 07:03 AM
DMcG 07 Jul 19 - 08:06 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Jul 19 - 08:59 AM
DMcG 07 Jul 19 - 10:22 AM
Iains 07 Jul 19 - 10:53 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Jul 19 - 11:20 AM
Iains 07 Jul 19 - 01:05 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Jul 19 - 01:11 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Jul 19 - 02:34 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Jul 19 - 02:35 PM
Nigel Parsons 07 Jul 19 - 06:32 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Jul 19 - 09:03 PM
Backwoodsman 08 Jul 19 - 02:02 AM
DMcG 08 Jul 19 - 02:10 AM
David Carter (UK) 08 Jul 19 - 02:29 AM
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Nigel Parsons 08 Jul 19 - 03:42 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 08:41 PM

"Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip."
Which is why you pushed his petition around and described his arrest as "Orwellian"
Your value here is that you represent the extremist right who lurked in the shadows and refuses to support the causes you represent
Methinks neo speaks with forked tongue - your history displays what you stand for - have the bottle to stand by it

"Ann Wiiecome - failed thatcherite who dyd here hair
Who gives a toss what a supporter of Pinochet's friend thinks !!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 03:40 AM

From The Press Gazette:

An Open Democracy journalist has won the right to see tax-funded research produced by Jacob Rees-Mogg's European Research Group after an 18-month Freedom of Information battle.
Jenna Corderoy appeared in front of the First-Tier Tribunal in May to argue there was public interest in seeing the documents because of the Conservative ERG's "significant influence" and role in shaping Government Brexit policy.
The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority is now due to publish the ERG documents by 11 July.


This could be very informative.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 11:19 AM

"Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip."
Which is why you pushed his petition around and described his arrest as "Orwellian"
Your value here is that you represent the extremist right who lurked in the shadows and refuses to support the causes you represent
Methinks neo speaks with forked tongue - your history displays what you stand for - have the bottle to stand by it


The usual pack of lies off little jimmie. Go look for a fight elsewhere and behave yourself on this forum. We do not need it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 12:22 PM

A comment by Steve over on the Leaderahip reminded me that the Brexit Party announced it was going to launch a legal challenge to the Peterborough result. According to the Fiancial Times "The Brexit party’s challenge must be submitted to the High Court within 21 days of the election being held, by June 27."

Was it submitted by the date?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 02:03 PM

Hopefully Yaxley-Lennon will serve his time in a prison with a large Muslim population. And don't deny it Iains, you were posting links to a petition to free him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 02:24 PM

...and whinging about the court case being political.

Isn't it lovely to see the crows coming home to roost.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 03:59 AM

"The usual pack of lies off little jimmie. Go look for a fight elsewhere and behave yourself on this forum. We do not need it!"
You most certainly do not need it but, as you speak for no-ne and most people tend to ignore you, it doesn't matter too much

You have had your defence of Robinson put up and you continue to deny it
Robinson is a racist criminal that has been banged up for his criminal activities - what he stands for goes though Brexit like "Blackpool" goes though rock
That cannot be said enough - it is destroying the UK and stands to spread like a malignant disease

"little jimmie"
I've had moderators use belittling terms like that - they make themselves as small as you are, and the long-gone individual you stole it from
Still not impressed
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 05:17 AM

little jimmie still troublemaking! If mods hint you have a problem, perhaps you should listen. Mods suggests more than one and there are not that many.
I keep saying that my support of Tommy Robinson extends only to his receiving the same equal treatment under the law as anyone else. I must have corrected your lies at least half a dozen times on here. Still you deliberately misrepresent what I say. Are you stupid, or merely picking a fight as usual? You are a disgrace and this forum is a far happier place without you.

I see the left revealing their true colours by wishing that TR be incarcerated in a prison with a large Moslem component. Obviously too much of a wimp to state the obvious that it would likely result in Tommy Robinson being attacked or even murdered. To make such a statement is utterly disgusting. Do all you lefties think the same way?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 05:46 AM

There is one person on here who causes more trouble and has more posts deleted than everyone else put together. And it isn't Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 05:54 AM

"ittle jimmie still troublemaking! "
The feller who said I was a "troublemaker" also got around to calling me "Little Jimmie" (and the rest of us "kiddies")- you seem to run in packs
You openly supported a racist criminal - you really need to 'stand by your man' before the cock crows thrice if that's what you believe
So Muslims are likely to be murderers
Gets better and better, this Brexit thing
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 06:24 AM

The facts are:
1)Tommy Robinson was arrested tried and convicted in 5 hours.(A record for efficiency or premeditation?)
2)He was first jailed in Hull (Moslem percentage 7% of inmates)
3)He was then moved to a prison with a Moslem population of30%(why would the authorities do that I wonder?)
4)On appeal the conviction was quashed.

In May 2018, Robinson was sentenced to 13 months of jail for contempt after live-streaming outside a criminal trial, in violation of reporting restrictions. However, the court of appeal quashed the contempt finding, freeing Robinson after only two months of his sentence. The case was then referred to the attorney general, who stated that it was in the public interest to bring fresh proceedings. Robinson claims that the action against him is politically motivated.

These events raise several questions that should make a rational person think.
1)Is TR gaining too big an audience?
2)Did the authorities act with unseemly haste?
3)Did his move to a jail with a large Moslem population occur through happenstance or was it deliberately engineered? and if so, what was the intent?
4)Is he being pursued because he is a "Far right activist or drawing attention to Moslem grooming gangs? The latter being something the Authorities cannot deny, yet cover up and obfuscate whenever possible.

IF a political motive is not behind the two prosecutions of Tommy Robinson pulling my other leg will reveal it is masquerading as a morris dancer.
The issues raised go far beyond mr robinson. In some ways the issues resemble those surrounding Mr Assange insofar as all is not what it would seem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 06:53 AM

Any good news on Brexit - the Topic of this thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 07:03 AM

So British Justice is bent i favour of left wing politics and anti-racism?
Tell that to the families of Blair Peach, Stephen Lawrence, and every other victim of their institutional racism (self description)
At least this has dragged you kicking and screaming out of your "I'm no Tommy Robinson fan"
You made a great issue of obeying the law when it was suggested that survivors of the Grenfell fire be housed temporarily in empty private property - you accused Corbyn of having contempt for the law when he made the suggestion
Now, it appears, you hold the laws you advocate for in contempt if they don't suit your particular brand of politics, while at the same time, suggesting it is unsafe to imprison hard working and upstanding fascists in with Muslims because they might murder him (with the aid of the prison services, presumably)
You really are a child of the New Britain Brexit, aren't you
Thank you for the picture of what a 'Britain standing on its own feet' has in store for us - and keep it coming
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 08:06 AM

Oddly enough, according to an interview Tommy Robinson gave to the Telegraph and then incorporates into a Wiki article, the prison with the larger Muslim population was the one he favoured....

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binson was attacked by several fellow prisoners in HM Prison Woodhill.[167][168]Following news of the attack, Maajid Nawazwrote to the Secretary of State for Justice, Chris Grayling, asking for Robinson's situation to be urgently addressed.[168][169] Shortly after this incident, Robinson was moved to HM Prison Winchester. Robinson told Jamie Bartlett, a director of the think tank Demos: "In Woodhill, I experienced Islam the gang. [...] In Winchester, I have experienced Islam the religion." Robinson made friends with several Muslim prisoners, referring to them as "great lads [...] I cannot speak highly enough of the Muslim inmates I'm now living with".[170]


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 08:59 AM

"great lads"
STRANGE "FRIEND"
Methinks white man speak with forked tongue
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 10:22 AM

Great introduction The Andrew Marr show today:no one, pundit or politician, knows anything and no one can predict where we are heading.

Seems about right.

I could see an election being called in October to be completed on say 7th November. It would effectively prorogue Parliament over the critical period without any special dodgy dealing. Boris could spend the last week or two saying he and the Tories have fulfilled their commitment, shooting the Brexit Party's fox (to a large extent) and also the Lib Dems (what else is their upswing about?) Once the fait is accompli, neither parties' USP survives. The house could not stop an election being called, I think - it would be really difficult for Labour to oppose it, for instance. Boris would only have to hope that the worst disadvantages of Brexit take a few weeks to appear, and stockpiling etc should cope with that.

Then, if they should lose to Labour, the story next time would be "we delivered the no deal and any problems are due to Labour".


About the only thing I can see that would mess that up that would be if the EU pointed out it has always considered an election a reason for an extension, so even though it was not asked for, they give an unconditional extension to, say, 1 week after the voting completes. And I am not at all sure where that would stand in international law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 10:53 AM

At least this has dragged you kicking and screaming out of your "I'm no Tommy Robinson fan"
You made a great issue of obeying the law when it was suggested that survivors of the Grenfell fire be housed temporarily in empty private property - you accused Corbyn of having contempt for the law when he made the suggestion
Now, it appears, you hold the laws you advocate for in contempt if they don't suit your particular brand of politics, while at the same time, suggesting it is unsafe to imprison hard working and upstanding fascists in with Muslims because they might murder him (with the aid of the prison services, presumably)

Bend it twist it shake it. Keep demonstrating your abject stupidity jimmie.
You tell me why the authorities moved robinson to a prison with a large Moslem population? It was hardly to proselytize them now, was it?.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 11:20 AM

"Bend it twist it shake it. Keep demonstrating your abject stupidity jimmie."
I will while it continues to get up your nose Iains
Keep vomiting your Islamophobia to your heart's content and explain where the fact that no compunction whatever is shown when locking up criminals from ethnic backgrounds alongside toe of the most violent racist thugs Britain has ever produced - known racist skinheads, violent extremist right wingers..... all one big happy family to the prison authorities
THe same used to be true when imprisoning homosexuals before gay prode enlightenment
You really aren't the brightest button on the uniform, are you ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 01:05 PM

I do not have to drag in lies from other threads to construct an argument. I only post facts. You are nothing but a troublemaker and vexatious bogdweller. You post lies merely to provoke fights. Time for you to take another little vacation. This thread is about Brexit, not about you demonstrating your inability to listen to anyone.Bysie by!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 01:11 PM

Jim, the last post is a perfect example of why you should just ignore it. I think mass deletions are in the offing so just make the mods lives easier.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 02:34 PM

Come on, mods. You did it with Teribus and you did it with akenaton. This bloke is worse. Make the place sweeter and get rid of him. Surely you've seen enough. And Jim, no responding this time, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 02:35 PM

"And Jim, no responding this time, right?"
Right
No need to
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 06:32 PM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 10:22 AM Great introduction The Andrew Marr show today:no one, pundit or politician, knows anything and no one can predict where we are heading.
Seems about right.
I could see an election being called in October to be completed on say 7th November. It would effectively prorogue Parliament over the critical period without any special dodgy dealing. Boris could spend the last week or two saying he and the Tories have fulfilled their commitment, shooting the Brexit Party's fox (to a large extent) and also the Lib Dems (what else is their upswing about?) Once the fait is accompli, neither parties' USP survives. The house could not stop an election being called, I think - it would be really difficult for Labour to oppose it, for instance. Boris would only have to hope that the worst disadvantages of Brexit take a few weeks to appear, and stockpiling etc should cope with that.
Then, if they should lose to Labour, the story next time would be "we delivered the no deal and any problems are due to Labour".
About the only thing I can see that would mess that up that would be if the EU pointed out it has always considered an election a reason for an extension, so even though it was not asked for, they give an unconditional extension to, say, 1 week after the voting completes. And I am not at all sure where that would stand in international law.



This appears to ignore the fact that, if there is no further consultaion, and agreement, with the EU, we are leaving on Oct 31st. So in the above scenario, the UK will leave the EU on 31st October.
Yipee!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 09:03 PM

You wish, Nige, you wish...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 02:02 AM

”This appears to ignore the fact that, if there is no further consultaion, and agreement, with the EU, we are leaving on Oct 31st. So in the above scenario, the UK will leave the EU on 31st October.
Yipee!”


Your final expression of joy seems to indicate that you see benefits that we will all feel from leaving. You and your BrexShit Brigade here have been asked repeatedly to enlighten those of us who foresee no benefits whatsoever, what those benefits will be and, thus far, you have all failed completely.

So tell us. No wishy-washy nonsense such as ‘Take are cuntry back’, or ‘sovereignty’, or ‘unelected bureaucrats’ - those are just bags of wind, airships which have been shot down in flames over and over again - give us some of the real, tangible benefits that we will all feel, Leavers and Remainers alike, when we’ve left. God knows, amidst the utter debacle that the Nasty Party have made of what we were told three years ago would be ‘the easiest deal ever’, we’re in desperate need of some good news.

Educate us, do...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 02:10 AM

No, Nigel, it did not ignore that we are leaving on 31st October, according to the current rules. In fact, the possible strategy I outlined has preventing Parliament acting to stop it happening as its rationale. That is precisely why Boris would want the election called before October 31 but not concluding until afterwards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 02:29 AM

Britain outside the EU would be an impoverished country, with less influence and less respect on the world stage. Its people would be at each other's throats. More unemployment, higher food prices. And not one single benefit. I fail to see how abstract and meaningless constructs like sovereignty (who's exactly?) could possibly compensate for that. Any leader who took us in that direction would be grossly irresponsible, and if fact a traitor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 03:39 AM

Well I agree, David. But clearly, Nigs's exclamation of 'Yippee!' at the prospect of us leaving the EU with or without a deal on 31/10/19, indicates that he sees real, tangible benefits when we leave. However, for some strange, inexplicable reason, he and his fellow BrexShitters prefer to keep their perceptions of these real, tangible benefits secret - they've been asked innumerable times in this thread, and in its predecessors, to set these benefits out for our education but, so far, have failed spectacularly to provide us with this information.

I think we could be forgiven, under the circumstances, for believing they really don't have a clue....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 04:05 AM

Top 19 Brexiteers promises (assembled 3 years ago)

This is what we are getting, is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 10:25 AM

Kare Hoey to stand down at next election

Not surprising, given the strength of Remain in her constituency, so she looked likely to lose very badly if she tried again


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 03:12 PM

What she was ever doing in the Labour party I have no idea, not just a supporter of brexit but of foxhunting too. Probably hanging for all I know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 03:42 PM

BrexShitters prefer to keep their perceptions of these real, tangible benefits secret - they've been asked innumerable times in this thread,

Some details have been given many times, but always dismissed by those who asked for the details. So it becomes somewhat pointless to try again, however:
Reduced food prices for food bought from around the world, where we currently have EU imposed tariffs designed to protect the farming communities on mainland Europe
Control of our own fishing waters, rather than allowing the EU to decide on fishing quotas.
The ability to control the number of migrants coming from the EU.
Those are three of the benefits mentioned many times, but doubtless they will be ignored again.

As for So tell us. No wishy-washy nonsense such as ‘Take are cuntry back’,, that phrase is one which you consistently use, but which I haven't seen used by any of the Brexit supporters here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 02:26 AM

On another thread Ians wrote
Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains - PM
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 03:11 PM

DMcG IT seems compo corbyn has been dragged off the fence by his union paymasters. Is that how democracy works for labour? The biggest checquebook dictates policy? Oh Dear!


I think it better addressed here.

It would be much more accurate to say it was the support of the 'Unite' union in particular that allowed Corbyn to stay 'on the fence'. For a long time most unions and most of the members have thought the party should take a stronger remain stance, but at least initially it made sense to recognise that after we leave (or not), we still all have to live on the same island and talk to each other, which led to a more complex and ambiguous stance. However, few people still think that is the best approach, and now believe that its time is over.

As for setting policy, the new position - if it happens - is still in line with the policy set last year, because it was a quite complex set of statements. Nothing unusual in that - there is almost always a stage like this where a general statement needs to be refined into a more precise position and ultimately to down to specific actions. It is essentially the same problem as taking a generic 'Leave means Leave' and working out what exactly that means for the security policy, for instance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:08 AM

Nigel, the food which comes from non-EU countries is at present mostly covered by EU trade agreements, such as LDC agreements. So there will be no cheaper food.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:10 AM

Nigel.

1. Prices will only decrease if any savings are passed on to the consumer. Which they will not be.
2. Yes, you can have that one. It may benefit that massive section of our economy, the fishing industry.
3. We have control of immigration anyway.

So the three main benefits you quote are unlikely, negligible and untrue. Little wonder they are dismissed. But you still keep rolling them out


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:14 AM

And the fishing bit is a disaster. You take the EU controls off and the British fishermen will fish out the waters within a decade.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:41 AM

And the fishing bit is a disaster. You take the EU controls off and the British fishermen will fish out the waters within a decade.

The EU fisheries policy is hardly a masterpiece of conservation. It would be a struggle to be any worse when we take back controlof our waters.
https://our.fish/press/north-sea-cod-struggling/

I saw more trawlers in Bearhaven yesterday than I would be able to see in Grimsby. Even the chippy on the docks in Grimsby now uses frozen fish.
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/what-could-happen-grimsbys-fishing-1343767


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:44 AM

The fleets in Grimsby and Hull - the serious! large-scale part of the UK fishing industry - were killed by greedy owners, over-fishing of our own waters, and the Icelandic Cod Wars.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:46 AM

And before Nigs gets around to nitpicking - the exclamation mark after ‘serious’ in my previous post was a typo. Bloody iPad keyboard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 04:03 AM

And before that the north sea herring. British fishermen have a history of fishing out their children's futures for a quick buck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 04:23 AM

Read and Ponder!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/the-eu-has-destroyed-some-of-our-most-prosperous-industries---an/


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 06:06 AM

From a BrexShit-pushing ‘newspaper’ owned by the billionaire, tax-dodging, BrexShit-supporting Barclay Brothers.

You really are a complete, brainwashed sucker aren’t you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 06:37 AM

More arse-wipe fodder. The author of that piece was a brexit party candidate in the European elections. Here is all you need to know about James Bartholomew.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 06:49 AM

What is often overlooked is that 'control of the UK fisheries' means the UK government has a free hand in deciding who gets what rights. It is quite an assumption that the rights will be sold to UK fisheries if the Spanish or whoever are offering the UK government more money for the rights than UK fishing companies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 09:23 AM

Here is all you need to know about James Bartholomew.
A BIT MORE HERE
Read and disgust
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 09:31 AM

1. Prices will only decrease if any savings are passed on to the consumer. Which they will not be.
2. Yes, you can have that one. It may benefit that massive section of our economy, the fishing industry.
3. We have control of immigration anyway.


1, That works on the assumption that wholesalers/retailers will profiteer, and that the public won't notice and take their custom elsewhere.
2, O.k. so that's one accepted, maybe we'll stop having comments that nobody ever gives details of benefits from Brexit
3, We have control over immigration from outside the EU, but not from within, which is the comment I made.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 09:35 AM

What is often overlooked is that 'control of the UK fisheries' means the UK government has a free hand in deciding who gets what rights. It is quite an assumption that the rights will be sold to UK fisheries if the Spanish or whoever are offering the UK government more money for the rights than UK fishing companies.

Yes, but it would be under the control of UK, not of EU. It would probably be worth leasing some of the licences to (say) Spain for a while anyway while the UK fishing fleet gears up to make the most of our waters being back under our control.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 09:57 AM

Companies are in the business of making profits, not helping the consumer.

The fisheries thing makes no difference whatsoever to our overall economy. It is, if you'll excuse the pun, a red herring.

We do have control over immigration from the EU and always have had. You fell for that lie and keep repeating it. We can and always have been able to stop anyone from entering the country. The fact that our own government chose not to apply the controls has nothing to do with the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 10:45 AM

Strictly speaking, the EU rules regarding free movement of people say that we can’t prevent EU citizens from entering the UK, but we can prevent them from remaining - if they are not housed, employed, and self-sufficient within three months, we can send them home.

Unfortunately, successive governments, both Tory and Labour, have neglected to enact that control. That’s the fault of the UK, Sweet FA to do with the EU.

And, of course, free movement works both ways - at least as many U.K. citizens have moved to other EU member-states as vice-versa.

And the UK fishing industry - the large-scale part that was based on the Humber ports and which accounted for the vast majority of fish landed in the U.K. ‘back then’ has gone for ever - it will not come back, no matter whether we Leave, or (please God, let it be so!) Remain.

So your pipe-dream of a re-juvenated, buoyant fishing industry (see what I did there?) is just that - a pipe-dream. Dream on. The piddly-little boats will carry on, but the big boys, the deep-sea fleet that made all the big money, is gone for ever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 10:52 AM

But I don't get this "it would be under the control of the UK, not the EU". What the hell difference does it make. The only difference is that EU politicians are rather more inclined to listen to what people who actually know about the issue than UK ones, who tend to do only what makes them popular, not what is right. Hence if UK politicians are making decisions on fishing quotas, we will end up with empty seas.


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