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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 19 - 07:02 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 06:49 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Apr 19 - 05:37 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 05:23 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Apr 19 - 04:51 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 04:49 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Apr 19 - 04:47 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 04:31 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 19 - 04:20 PM
Mrrzy 07 Apr 19 - 03:08 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 02:56 PM
David Carter (UK) 07 Apr 19 - 02:40 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 02:35 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 02:16 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Apr 19 - 02:41 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM
Raggytash 07 Apr 19 - 02:25 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Apr 19 - 02:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 19 - 02:11 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Apr 19 - 02:07 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Apr 19 - 02:04 PM
Raggytash 07 Apr 19 - 01:57 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 01:26 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 07:02 PM

All kinds of plausible reasons, Steve, as there are for most mistakes. But for all that, it turned out to be a bad misjudgement. Didn't do anything to stop UKIP. At the very least they could have made support for the referendum dependant on some sensible ground rules.

There was a petition that got a few million votes at the time, calling for a guarantee of a second vote to be triggered if the winning sides margin was less than 5% and the turnout less than 75%. It was started by a Leave supporter before the referendum (who expected to lose) but was signed by millions of Remainers as well as Leavers. That would have been a very sensible requirement.

And the example of the Scottish referendum should have been followed - that achieved a turnout of over 80%, with voting open to everyone of 16 up, including migrants from the EU - the people who stood to be most affected by the result in 2016, along with logterm British expats in Europe, who were also denied a vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:49 PM

ivor cutler? though he isn't a great marriage prospect....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 05:37 PM

Bugger that, Pete. I've considered the same move meself and I'm 67! Can't make up my mind whether my numero uno hero is Beethoven...or Virgil...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 05:23 PM

you aren't on your own, steve. however, are you suggesting that VvDyke's mam would not be proud to have a 63 year old jags fan in the family? i'm insulted. again


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 04:51 PM

Now 'scuse me, chaps, as I have to pen a letter to the mods about this bloke. I understand that they don't normally bother with Brit threads but I think they could consider bothering with this one. It would be good to think that I wasn't the only one doing it. Cheers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 04:49 PM

well, i've been quite disciplined for long enough but now i think i just don't have to put up with this offensive shit.

mods? where are you? or is blatant racism and insulting disabled people ok?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 04:47 PM

Your Virgil idea was the best one, Pete. What a man. WHAT a man! But he loves his mum (honest), so you may have to get past her first...

30 grand could give you an awful lot of security. You can get a risk-free ISA with 20 grand of it with Coventry Building Society, fixed rate for five years, at 2.15%. And they are ethical. The other ten grand, maybe do up your place, get a better car and have a nice holiday or two.

Kevin, the reason Labour MPs (etc) voted in favour of a referendum, then in favour of Article 50, was that they would have been toast if they hadn't. There was a burgeoning wave of UKIP-led populism to contend with, so they yielded. Plus they had a severely mistaken inkling that it didn't matter in the first case because they were certain that remain would win.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 04:31 PM

you could say 'holding the conservative party together' and i'm sure that's true. you could also say scared of grubby little fascists like farage and yaxley - lennon and the lunatic fringe of her own party. very few in politics - including the labour party -has had the courage to stand up to these people. i know this is not easy since the death of jo cox, but it should have happened long ago. remember the opening ceremony of the london olympics? what happened to that positive picture of who we are?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 04:20 PM

May's priority throughout has been trying to find some way of holding the Conservative Party together. All the rest is just flannel.
......

It's not wholly fair to put all the blame for the referendum of 2016, and for it being designed in such a stupid way (eg, no requirement for a 5% majority) on David Cameron. The vote to hold it was backed by all political parties in Westminster apart from the SNP.

Of course he carries all the responsibility for breaking his repeated promise to stay on if Remain lost till a successor was found, and skkedaddled the next day. That's why we got saddled with a coronation for May.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 03:08 PM

But about May, I am confused, slightly. Did she not herself vote Remain? And did not the guy in charge at the time run like a hare, leaving Brexit in her lap? And hasn't May, in contrast, been staunch in her efforts to do *what the voters said they wanted*? Why isn't anyone (seemingly) blaming those voters?
Oh, and I'm a Mrrican, not from UK or Europe myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:56 PM

thanks, i think i will do that. but i'd better be quick as my local santander branch is about to close


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:40 PM

You can get a Euro account with a UK bank, I have one with Barclays. I keep thinking I will move some cash from my sterling accounts to my Euro account, but then I think the exchange rate cannot get worse. Then of course it does. To think, if it hadn't been for Gordon Brown, we could have gone in at 1.6!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:35 PM

"wallowing black mammals"
Your descrioption - nobody else's
I've just requested that a friend on this forum complain about this behavior - I would extend that to all here - he has no intention of stopping his attempts to make this a hate platform
I have Irish friends who stopped posting to this site because of the anti-Irish racism emanating from a few posters
It was mild compared to this filth
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM

and while i'm here does anyone have any financial expertise? as my dad died last year and we sold his house, i have some money for the first time in my life (about 30K) (obviously, he voted to leave and then died while his family all disagreed and voted positively) anyway, as it seems we are about to leave in some turmoil or at least be in some state for a while - what should i do with me money? we've thought of moving to estonia or glasgow or italy to be nearer family but we have some commitments here (or lack the courage) can i just buy euros and bank them abroad? (my default plan is to marry virgil van dyke (i must have a need for security) and get a dutch passport and live off his money but that could be difficult eh?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:16 PM

re: this term 'leftard' now, i know i have mentioned this before and got nowhere - but it is really offensive. i work with disabled people who, over the years, have suffered many insults and derogatory and dismissive names. one of the worst is 'retard' Thankfully, it is a horrible term that we never hear in decent conversation anymore. clearly the term as used here is a mix of lefty and retard. i have asked before about people (well, iain) using the term but the mods seem quite happy with it.

please, could any mod come on here and justify tolerating such hateful language from a contributor with absolutely nothing positive to contribute.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:41 PM

I thought this thread was supposed to be about BrexShit?

BrexShit was the brain-child of The Bullingdon-Buffoon Ça-Moron, a referendum conceived in the interests of nothing more than Conservative party unity and preventing UKIP taking votes away from them. The Tories have, until a week or so ago, taken complete ownership of BrexShit - indeed they refused to make it a cross-party project right back at the beginning when Jeremy Corbyn offered to involve Labour in the negotiations.

So why, I wonder, does the computer-illiterate sociopath insist on trying to make it a party-political issue by posting continuous anti-Labour propaganda and personal abuse - much of it racist, and possibly illegal under anti-racism laws - against individual members of the party?

The obvious answer is, of course, he’s got SFA else. And a sociopathic Troll. Best to ignore him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM

Steve
He's a racist twat who keeps lying by asking for proof
I once joked that he was a mental midget - first impressions are always the most trustworthy
If teh mods are happy to see this forum used as a hate site, there's little we can do about it other than to point out his uncontrollable racism
Tommy Robinson must have got his Iron Cross ready for presentation by now - leave him to parctice his arm-raising
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:25 PM

Dave, I have not, as yet, had a reasonable response to this question from any Brexiteers.

If they can believe in Unicorns then surely I can live in hope?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:19 PM

Fingers, and everything else, crossed McG.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:11 PM

There seems to be a pretty widespread consensus in favour of just getting things sorted. But what doesn't seem to have got through to a lot of people is that any deal that got approved would just mean it all goes on like this for years and years as they keep "negotiating" the nuts and bolts. (The same would also undoubtedly be true with No Deal.)

The only way to be done with it all would be to revoke Article 50 and stay in the EU.

The europhobes could console themselves by recognising how very annoying this would be to ordinary people all over Europe who've been watching this shambles in mounting horror and with escalating derision.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:07 PM

"It is the abbacus this week, abbopotomus last week."

You've been told about this before, and the fact that you indulged in this appalling insult before, let alone think you can get away with doing it again, marks you out as easily the most disgusting and detestable presence on this forum. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. And don't think for one second that this will lead me into any kind of bantering with you. This is quite likely to be your swansong here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 02:04 PM

10/10 for consistency, Raggy, but I think we already know the answer:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 01:57 PM

Any good news about Brexit yet .................?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 01:26 PM

"Oh Dear! The leftards are losing it."
Oh dear - the brain-deads are beginning to feel inferior again
I notice that the abuse to elected politicians which, I was told, was "Anglo-phobic" - has now moved on from its racist wallowing black mammals
You win some, you win some
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 01:21 PM

And THIS makes absolute sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 01:03 PM

”UKIP counsellors now calling for 'ramainers' to be executed for treason.”

BrexShit-Bumpkins have been doing that ever since the referendum. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve been told by spittle-flecked Gammon Brexshiteers , with the veins in their necks bulging and eyes almost popping out of their sockets that, as anRemain voter, Im a ‘traitor’ who ‘should be arrested, marched out, and shot for treason’.

If they had brains, they’d be dangerous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 12:58 PM

Funny that some who seem to think that a second referendum is undemocratic keep quiet about May's multiple votes on the same topic. Doesn't surprise me of course, given the circumstances.

As it happens, I thoroughly disagree with referendums anyway. The first was brought about because pig-sticker Cameron didn't have the balls to stand up to the right wing. The second (well, third really) could well happen because May thinks more about keeping her party in power than doing the right thing and undoing this monumental cock up. Still, if nothing else, it is showing up the Tories and their supporters on here for the uncaring, selfish twats they really are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 12:19 PM

UKIP counsellors now calling for 'ramainers' to be executed for treason.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 11:45 AM

”You can’t fix stupid”

A perfect analysis of this entire, farcical debacle of BrexShit. And not one example given in this thread of a tangible benefit to be gained by leaving the EU. Even the most bone-headed Mudcat Brexshiteer is beginning to call for revocation of A50, and for the UK to remain in the EU.

You couldn’t make it up!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/06/a-shambles-on-which-the-sun-never-sets-how-the-world-sees-brexit


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 11:41 AM

One aspect of all this is that pretty strange everyone talks as the referendum results indicated that Labour voters in all the Brexit voting seats were overwhelmingly in favour of leaving.

That isn't actually at all clear - the Brexit vote in that referendum would have included the overwhelming majority of Conservative voters, together with a section of Labour voters - and many of those Labour voters could well have been more motivated by a desire to kick the Cameron government than by leaving the EU. The fact that in the election of 2017 most of those "Labour leave" constituencies returned Labour MPs suggests that this is the right way to interpret the referendum vote.

The thing to remember is that in the 2015 election not a single MP in the UK got as much as 50 per cent of their constituency electorate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 11:06 AM

I keep quoting, here and elsewhere, David Davis from 2012...

”A democracy that cannot change its mind ceases to be a democracy”

Whether the Union-Jack-Boxers Brigade accept it or not, that is the absolute, undeniable truth.

(Note for our computer-illiterate sociopath - that’s how to post a quotation).


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 10:34 AM

I don't think anyone would doubt that if the vote in 2016 had been 52% for remain, the Brexit camp would have called for a second vote, and the Remain camp would be opposing it. That would be reasonable enough - when your side has won you'd rather not risk a rerun.

But what is hypocritical is to pretend that the reason for opposing a second vote was something to do with democratic principles, and to claim that refusing it shows that the UK is a truer democracy than Ireland, Denmark and Norway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 10:23 AM

The Incredible Leadsom has apparently said this morning
=======
"It’s not nearly as grim as many would advocate," she said. "The civil service have done an amazing job of ensuring that we minimise the problems. I’m not an advocate for no deal, but it would not be nearly as bad as many like to think it would be."
=====

Of course, it is good news the civil service has worked hard on this, but they are not in the front line, are they?

Are all small international traders ready?
Have all port and other border protection staff be trained and, where necessary further staff recruited and trained?

Have vets been recruited and trained for all physiosanitary matters arising ?

In short, the civil service preparation is a drop in the ocean. What about all the rest?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 09:36 AM

!Que?!
And that's it from the Brexiteers
Tw letters short of a the description of the line of lorries from Fishguard to the Channel Tunnel
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 09:35 AM

McGrath of Harlow No One would argue with a second referendum had the first been implemented and a decent period of time elapsed. To ignore the first referendum negates the legitimacy of any subsequent one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 09:10 AM

Dorothy Parker's ode always remind me of Chesterton's ballade about having second thoughts on suicide - which is equally apposite:

The gallows in my garden, people say,
Is new and neat and adequately tall;
I tie the noose on in a knowing way
As one that knots his necktie for a ball;
But just as all the neighbours–on the wall–
Are drawing a long breath to shout “Hurray!”
The strangest whim has seized me. . . . After all
I think I will not hang myself to-day.

To-morrow is the time I get my pay–
My uncle’s sword is hanging in the hall–
I see a little cloud all pink and grey–
Perhaps the rector’s mother will not call– I fancy that I heard from Mr. Gall
That mushrooms could be cooked another way–
I never read the works of Juvenal–
I think I will not hang myself to-day.

The world will have another washing-day;
The decadents decay; the pedants pall;
And H.G. Wells has found that children play,
And Bernard Shaw discovered that they squall,
Rationalists are growing rational–
And through thick woods one finds a stream astray
So secret that the very sky seems small–
I think I will not hang myself to-day.

ENVOI

Prince, I can hear the trumpet of Germinal,
The tumbrils toiling up the terrible way;
Even to-day your royal head may fall,
I think I will not hang myself to-day.


I'd have thought that those Brexiteers who complain, quite rightly, that all the deals that are available are worse than staying in the EU would welcome the opportunity to vote for that as a second best, if they can't get the No Deal they might prefer. In fact getting No Deal bput on such a ballot in a three option vote (with an alternative vote system of voting) would offer the way to get that preferred option, if that is really what people want. (And we know how keen they are about carrying out the will of the people...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 08:56 AM

It really is time those who genuinely support Brexit started to enter into this debate rather than using it as a rabid-right soapbox
I've lost count of the number of times people have asked what the benefits of leaving Europe are as distinct from staying and trying to change what they disagree with - Britain has been little more than a silent and begrudging member of the EU since day one, based on the old Empire adage, "If we can't control it, it's no use to us"
Now the Government has Britain's future in the hands of scummy populists like Farage (and his queue of be-robed and be-turbaned foreign invaders)
Patriots like the Mudcat incumbents, stand by and cheer the worst elements of the British establishment claiming that to hold out for the best deal is 'treachery'
None of them has the gumption nor the imagination to put forward a rational argument - just abuse (as shown by the latest deeply thought out offering)
If Britain can sell planes to slaughter the Yemenis (while at the same time blocking any chance of giving the victims refuge) Corbyn's actions of supporting the Palestinians fight against ethnic cleansing put him in line for sainthood
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 08:24 AM

is this just all an elaborate and tedious wind-up, iain. if so , it's offensive nonsense

mods?.....please give us a break

Working on it. Most have been deleted; apologies if responses are still in place, the posts were taken out in one fell swoop, away from the thread. ---mudcat techie
And many non-abusive posts that are simply objectionable to some have been UNdeleted. -Mudcat ratheroffendedbyopinionatedmodding mod


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 08:12 AM

A shame peabrain cannot distinguish between a man's personal wealth and an investment company that invests in emerging markets. A tad too technical for him to comprehend(like so many other things)

The fine Mr Rees Mogg can hold his head up high unlike commie corbyn,
a chef extroidinaire!

https://order-order.com/2019/04/05/corbyns-evidence-shows-cooking-books-terrorist-wreath-laying-trip/

from Guido of course. The scourge of bubbleheaded leftards!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 07:34 AM

That would go well with a Billie Holliday tune Bonnie
Might add, "Can't help loathing that Mogg of mine"
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 07:09 AM

To paraphrase Dorothy Parker, who famously wrote of attempting suicide:

Razors pain you
Rivers are damp
Acids stain you
And drugs cause cramp

Guns aren't lawful
Nooses give
Gas smells awful
You might as well live



Brussels or London
You don't have a say
If you're going to be undone
You might as well stay


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:53 AM

A soft brexit is being subjected to the EU in all its glory with no more representation. Such an agreement would be the height of stupidity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:53 AM

THE MIGHTY MOGG
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:52 AM

[Cross-posted with Dick]

Grease Smog also moved a few of his millions to Dublin. The word "hypocrite' doesn't even begin to be strong enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:50 AM

Where have you seen that, Jim? Couldn't find it in any of my usual haunts, but they're not comprehensive. I'm interested to know more - all I can find is that her cabinet are furious with her for even talking (or going through the motions of talking) to Corbyn. Are there any links?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:47 AM

a soft brexit means the uk leaves the EU but is in the equivalent of the EEC a fairly sensible compromise imo, we are not fighting the second world war, rees mogg is a hypocrite he avises his investors to invest in the euro yet talks about no deal , the man represents the interests of the very wealthy


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:27 AM

It's reported this morning that May has offered Corbyn a 'Boris-proof' Brexit - a soft Brexit that cannot be overturned by future Governments
That should cause a bit of stir in the Tory Monkey-house
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 06:24 AM

If the outcome of the first referendum is thwarted what is the point of a second?
   Do you not think a wrong answer will be denied again?

This is of course the EU way - reminiscent of "hotel California" -
keep resubmitting the question until the right answer is obtained


A little jog for the memory:
This has happened three times in EU referendums – in Denmark on the Maastricht Treaty in 1992-3, Ireland on the Nice Treaty in 2001-2, and Ireland again on the Lisbon Treaty in 2008-9 – with all of these referendums ultimately proving successful for those backing the treaty.

For the EU it is a war of attrition.

The mighty Rees Mogg has the right idea, ably backed by the inestimable Mr Farage

We shall fight them on the beaches........................!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Apr 19 - 03:47 AM

I was reading about a recent survey on a further referendum and it seems the majority are keen that 'we should be free to pursue our own trade deals.'

What a surprise. But let us phrase the same question differently. "we should be forced to   renegotiate all our own trade deals, whether or not they are poorer than the existing ones."

Somehow I don't think that would be as popular.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 19 - 12:10 PM

"Anyhoo, Dave is absolutely correct - there’s no profit in engaging with an ITC-illiterate sociopath,
Me too - couldn't help pointing out that this "anti-Tommy Robinsonite" spent a fair tim in handing a petition around to try and get him out of nick, while gloating as the number of signatures rose
A classic "I wish I hadn't done that"
Fun over
Jim


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