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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 01:54 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 May 19 - 01:53 PM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 01:40 PM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 01:27 PM
Iains 22 May 19 - 01:23 PM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 01:17 PM
Iains 22 May 19 - 01:11 PM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 01:02 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 May 19 - 12:41 PM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 12:13 PM
Backwoodsman 22 May 19 - 12:10 PM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 11:50 AM
Iains 22 May 19 - 11:17 AM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 11:07 AM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 11:01 AM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 10:53 AM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 10:26 AM
Nigel Parsons 22 May 19 - 09:18 AM
Backwoodsman 22 May 19 - 08:53 AM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 08:48 AM
Iains 22 May 19 - 08:43 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 May 19 - 08:36 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:54 PM

It is now suggested that May will go by Monday
I'm sue this will make make the patriotic extremists happy to leave Britain without a leader, a totally divided Government Party, a dangerously split British people, no idea whatever how or if Britain will leave Europe and the possibility that a the future of the country will be left in the hands of morons like Lord Snooty (with guidance from his nanny or Boris 'The Joke' Johnson'
Never thought I'd say thins but May, for all her faults, is the only one to have shown a shred of responsibility and leadership in all this
Next to her, they are all snapping jackals   
Maybe you can ask your friend LePen to fly in a substitute Iains ?

"Polls show Le Pen's party, now named the National Rally, winning about 22-24 percent the election, a slight edge over the centrist alliance that includes Macron's party"
Hope the French Jews are packing their suitcases - 74,000 of them were sent to death camps last time the likes of LePen were in charge
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:53 PM

Waiting to see what the results are I would guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:40 PM

OK, so the 1922 committee ends with no vote change.

I suspect that was all about the EU elections - would changing the voting rules make people more likely to vote Tory (in the belief a Brexiteer will be the next leader), or less (because Tories look as if they are panicking).

Tough call for them, but as Brady is meeting with May on Friday, and they can meet anytime to change the rules if they wish, it looks like they decided to go for more stable look.

Not that it clear May is on the way out on Friday either. Could just be a nice chat over a biscuit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:27 PM

At this moment? Fiction.

But by the time the 1922 committee ends, I expect a rule change to allow a confidence vote, then May gone either immediately, or staying in place until an election has been held.

"And always keep a-hold of Nurse
For fear of finding something worse."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:23 PM

The whisper is that the mayfly has been swatted.
Fact or fiction?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:17 PM

The Sun says: Nigel Farage 'trapped on Brexit bus due to people armed with milkshakes'

Monty Python lives!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:11 PM

Le Pen versus Macron. Round 2


https://www.france24.com/en/20190521-le-pen-seeks-macrons-downfall-french-european-polls

Polls show Le Pen's party, now named the National Rally, winning about 22-24 percent the election, a slight edge over the centrist alliance that includes Macron's party. she proposes unpicking the bloc from the inside, rolling back its treaties and common rules and turning it into a "union of nation states" who act independently.
Gonna be some changes!
https://www.ecfr.eu/specials/scorecard/the_2019_European_election


https://www.politico.eu/article/european-election-2019-winners/

Polls show the overall election outcome is likely to yield the most fragmented Parliament in modern EU history, creating genuine suspense about the precise shape of a majority coalition and potentially giving small pro-EU parties, like the Greens, more influence than ever.

The poll numbers, unveiled on Monday, deliver an alarming — if not entirely shocking — wake-up call to the mainstream, pro-EU politicians who have controlled power in Brussels for decades, but have seemed flummoxed in recent years about how to push back against a rising populist and nationalist tide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 01:02 PM

"It's blatantly obvious to everyone anyway, Jim."
Nothing beats dragging them into the Confessional Dave
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 19 - 12:41 PM

It's blatantly obvious to everyone anyway, Jim. There is absolutely no point in reinforcing what even a blind man on a flying horse can see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 12:13 PM

"LePen"
Dave, if you're still there - I hope you can see the value of dragging this particular 'democrat supporter" out of his closet
Nothing like having confirmation from the horse's mouth as to where his sympathies really are
A BLAST FROM THE PAST
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 19 - 12:10 PM

”A confusing statement from someone who had earlier said:
A small nuclear device on Old Haddock-Face’s house would be a good start.
I suppose a period of little over half-an-hour is too long to remember ones own comments.”


When I wrote those two posts, I expected Iains to come on and play the clever-shit, but it was even beneath his doubtful dignity to stoop that low. He’s gone up a point or two in my estimation.

But good old Nitpicking-Nigs didnt let me down. You don’t understand the concept of wry humour do you, Nigs? Thought not.
Stick to nitpicking - it’s all you have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 11:50 AM

"Sunday that figure will change significantly if the polls are to be believed."
Yeah - should be able to pick up six or seven hundred seats with no problem
Good luck with that one - I don't think so !!!
LePen
Just what Europe needs - a parliament full of Jew-haters
Nice to see you've kicked down yet another door to your closet
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 11:17 AM

As of now the Brexit party holds 14MEP seats. Sunday that figure will change significantly if the polls are to be believed.
Along with Le Pens's party and others there will be a useful block of seats to stall the march of further integration within the EU.
No amount of chittering will alter this inescapable reality, neither will ridiculous labels such as the brexit clan dreamed up by those that endlessly demonstrate that they are totally incapable of reasoned responses.

A sea change is coming- anyone for a ride on the skylark? The blue is a rather fetching colour!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 11:07 AM

Brexit was really of interest only to nerds … and to self declare: "UKIP was founded in 1993 by Alan Sked"

I went to one of his presentations, maybe around 1994. I wasn't convinced.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 11:01 AM

"22 seats"
The Brexit Klan (one hesitates to describe an unelected group of nutters a party) have obviously gone into Europe to wreck the EU - at present the EU boasts 751 elected members
Wonder what their chances are of bringing the EU down !!!
A standard sized fly swatter ought to do the trick

"Treasonous Mayhem:"
Somewhat "Anglophobic" eh what!!
What is it about Britain that inspires such self hatred from its supporters
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 10:53 AM

Correction if Wikipedia is to believed: in 2014 UKIP got 24 seats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 10:26 AM

Unlike 'first past the post' this shows that in most regions, a 37% vote is likely to receive much more than 37% recognition in terms of seats (66% in regions with only 3 seats, 60% in regions with 5 seats)

That's a good point, Nigel, though I am not sure about the first past the post part, since that allocates 100% of the seat to the highest percentage vote, even if that is 50% + one vote, which is the less representative possible before actually giving the seat to a minority of the voters.

But the general point is well made and often overlooked. The voting percentage is - for practical purposes - a continuous variable, whereas the number of seats, whether one or ten, is a discrete quantity. It follows that except by a fluke, under any voting scheme whatever, there will be a degree of mismatch between the percentage of votes and the percentage of seats. All the complicated proportional systems are aimed at reducing the mismatch, but that is difficult and is always a compromise in some fashion.

The YouGov polls consistently rate the Brexit Party higher than other polls, often by around 5%. That matters, and where the 5% ends up also matters. I think we will wait for the results before we get too carried away …

Last time I understand Farage and UKIP got 22 seats. At the time, Brexit was really of interest only to nerds. COnsequently, I would be surprised if the Brexit Party did not get considerably more, but it would, for me, have to be 28 or above to be particularly noteworthy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 May 19 - 09:18 AM

From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:53 AM

The decent ones amongst us regard physical assaults on politicians as being totally unacceptable, no matter what the politician’s position may be. Attack them verbally by all means, but physically? Absolutely not!


A confusing statement from someone who had earlier said:
A small nuclear device on Old Haddock-Face’s house would be a good start.
I suppose a period of little over half-an-hour is too long to remember ones own comments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:53 AM

The decent ones amongst us regard physical assaults on politicians as being totally unacceptable, no matter what the politician’s position may be. Attack them verbally by all means, but physically? Absolutely not!

I haven’t heard any Remainer calling Brexshiteers ‘traitors’, and calling for them to be ‘arrested, marched out, and shot’. However, there’s plenty of evidence on the internet of Brexshiteers saying precisely that about remainers - it's been directed at me a number of times by BrexShit Gammons on SM.

Greenhouses, stones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:48 AM

"Is it not lefty reminiacs being charged with common assault and calling for acid attacks on fine upstanding Brexit politicians?"
As usual you choose to ignore the violence that has already taken place as a result of using race and ethnic hatred to push through a policy that is steadily destroying the UK


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:43 AM

brexitaliban ??????

Is it not lefty reminiacs being charged with common assault and calling for acid attacks on fine upstanding Brexit politicians?

Oh Dear oh dear !!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:36 AM

Everything that is wrong with the Brexit party and more

I wonder if our resident brexitaliban will let us know which of these sad excuses for politicians they voted for?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:25 AM

The usual abysmal standard of rhetoric off remainiacs I see.

Anyone for a milkshake?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:20 AM

A small nuclear device on Old Haddock-Face’s house would be a good start.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:17 AM

@Nigel. The implications are interesting. I wonder how much of the LibDem vote materializes as shown, or is it simply still displaying as a protest vote against the two major parliamentary parties. I suspect some of that intent could spring to the brexit party.
Sunday night could yet spring surprises either way. Hatching eggs is subject to the fickle finger of fate, as are polls. (especially when several days will elapse in the UK between polling and the release of the results) Who will be watching the watchers?

I see Brown's false allegations concerning brexit funding have been seen to be unfounded. He must be congratulated for generating extra votes for TBP. The MSM are keeping that particular gem well hidden, while the EU are now getting in on the act with squeals of pesky Ruskie collusion.
That should generate a raft more votes for Brexit.

I wonder what the establishment has for a last minute attempt to destroy the Brexit party?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:17 AM

No need to apologise Al - you can never get enough good news !!!
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:12 AM

Sorry for the cross-posting, Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:08 AM

British Steel now in compulsory liquidation.

How typical of the Self-Servatives that, on the one hand, they can’t or won’t find 75 million to support what remains of our steel industry and the town that depends on it, yet they had no problem whatsoever, when they failed to win sufficient seats to form a government in the 2017 GE, stumping up over one BILLION with which to bribe the religious-nutcase terrorist-supporters of the DUP in order to hang on to power by their fingernails.

Absolutely disgusting treachery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 08:04 AM

British Steel gone into receivership
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 May 19 - 07:48 AM

Interesting figures:
BREX: 37% (+3)
LDEM: 19% (+2)
LAB: 13% (-2)
GRN: 12% (+1)
CON: 7% (-2)
CHUK: 4% (-)
UKIP: 3% (-)

If those were repeated on the day, under the voting system used in Great Britain:
the first seat in any region would go to Brexit.
the second seat to Lib Dem,
the third to Brexit
the fourth to Labour
the fifth to Brexit
the sixth to Green
the seventh to Lib Dem
the eighth to Brexit
the ninth to Brexit
the tenth to Conservative (and it is only the South East which has 10 seats available. In any other British region the Conservatives would get no seats.
The above calculations are based on the percentages in the polls being repeated evenly across the country. It is possible that SNP & Plaid Cymru would also gain seats in Scotland/Wales.
Unlike 'first past the post' this shows that in most regions, a 37% vote is likely to receive much more than 37% recognition in terms of seats (66% in regions with only 3 seats, 60% in regions with 5 seats)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 07:41 AM

May seems to have accepted the idea of a limited SECOND REFERENDUM
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 05:11 AM

DMcG Unless something dramatic happens the 22 committee are going to indulge in the time honoured pastime of can kicking.

I did find the link below today. I feel it echoes the sentiments of many.


https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5099ba620f852d44f6fddf50d63af0fd23e051a506e21060667fd3e2fbb7e4f3.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 05:05 AM

BREX: 37% (+3)
LDEM: 19% (+2)
LAB: 13% (-2)
GRN: 12% (+1)
CON: 7% (-2)
CHUK: 4% (-)
UKIP: 3% (-)
YouGov, 19 - 21 May

Now high is brexit momma, 37% and rising.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 04:38 AM

Back to Brexit more directly.

May's bold plan seems rejected on all sides and there is talk of not putting it before the House at all. Since I don't see a general election being entered into willingly, that really does put us in the no-deal or revoke territory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 04:18 AM

Of course, there are also those who see a silver lining and fail to notice a nasty big black cloud attached to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 04:11 AM

DmcG The real reason is the refusal of the Commons to deliver the Brexit both parties promised in their last election manifesto. Any economic uncertainties resulting from their intransigence is clearly their fault.
Trying to deflect blame onto the Blameless Brexiteers, who only seek a democratic outcome, simply will not fly. (Just see what happens Sunday night)

But the anticipated character assassination of Farage is delivering untold thousands of extra votes into the Brexit camp.
Democracy shall prevail!

As the saying goes:

Every cloud has a silver lining ! (or MEP seat)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 03:29 AM

That is one view of the reasons for British Steel's problems. Here is another lifted from the Guardian:


How much is Brexit to blame?
It is not the only factor in the crisis but it is very important. Steel contracts are typically agreed well in advance of the product being delivered. As things stand, the UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October and the terms of that separation are yet to be agreed, meaning British Steel's overseas customers don't know what tariffs will apply to steel they buy from the company. Sources close to the company say orders from customers in the EU and further afield have dried up as a result.


That is why the company needs an urgent cash injection, to replace the drop in sales in the hope that a favourable Brexit deal can be signed in the meantime. Another factor is the weakness of sterling since the referendum result, which makes the cost of imported raw material used in making steel higher. Greybull bought British Steel after the referendum but it did not expect Brexit uncertainty to last this long.


So which seems the bigger issue to me, tariffs and sales or carbon trading issues? I think you can guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 19 - 04:35 PM

Britain now stands to lose one of its major industries due to "Brexit related problems"


So on the day British steel is about to go bankrupt because of an EU policy (emissions trading) and a vindictive EU move (suspending British company's rights to take free allowances), May is going to argue that we should still be regulated by the EU.


Of course, the BBC reports it as "Brexit related issues" rather than "having been affected by an EU decision to suspend UK companies from accessing carbon credits to cover their emissions under the ETS, until a Brexit deal is ratified by the UK's Parliament"

It helps to paint the entire picture otherwise the unwary might totally misunderstand the reality!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 01:33 PM

Hate Crimes ang Brexit - official figures
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crimes-racism-eu-referendum-vote-attacks-increase-police-figures-official-a7358866.html
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 01:03 PM

Violence has been an issue of the Brexit farrago from the time the result was announced and racist incidents began to climb alarmingly
BREXIT AND VIOLENCE


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 12:43 PM

"I wonder how long it takes Mr Plod to investigate this member of the loony left?"
HOPEFULLY NOT AS LONG AS IT'S TAKEN TO DEAL WITH THESE
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JOKEY THREAT AND REALITY
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 11:45 AM

Never eaten in a Jamies - not my kind of food - but I'm willing to listen to what he has been saying (as a businessman) for several years now
He was against leaving Europe but advocated that doing so might improve the nations dietary habits so it seems he was pragmatic rather than a straightforward stayer
Now the crunch has come, he links his crash to Brexit

Apropo of nothing, there's a lovely story around here of a couple of local electricians employed in a posh restaurant/hotel somewhere in the Midlands of Ireland around Christmastime.
The hotelier decided to treat them to a special Christmas meal - he lined up the staff - best bib and tucker and led the lads to their table where a waiter brought them the wine - handing a tasters sample to our neighbour Paddy to try first - Paddy obliged, tasted it and nodded his assent
Then they brought out the meal nouvelle cuisine - a coule of potatoes, a few vegetables, a couple of thin slices of meat and sprigs of garnish, all beautifully laid out on the plate
Paddy looked at it, scooped it down in one go and nodded - "yes; bring me some of that".
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 May 19 - 11:20 AM

Thanks for that, Jim.

I am not convinced, though, that the spokesman is entirely right. Certainly, their problems got worse after the Brexit vote. It does not follow that it got worse because of the Brexit vote. In fact, I think the pressure on wages and austerity is more of a factor, with the only Brexit-related exception being what happens to staff from the EU. (But that applies to most chains, not just Jamie's. And of course a lot of other chains *are* struggling as well.)

I have only eaten once at a "Jamie's Italian" - I am not particularly avoiding them, that's just how things turned out. To me, it seemed fairly average Italian fast food at an above average price. Certainly not something I would try to "wow!" my Italian daughter-in-law with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 09:23 AM

"None of the articles I have read about Jamie Oliver's business failing says it is related to Brexit."

"Jamie Oliver is to close six of his Italian restaurants after tough trading and the “pressures and unknowns” following the Brexit vote"
HERE

Pretty much how it was presented on the mid-day news
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 May 19 - 08:40 AM

I think those who favour remain need to careful not to blame every problem on Brexit. None of the articles I have read about Jamie Oliver's business failing says it is related to Brexit. It could be: there could be staffing problems, for example. But if so no one is reporting it as amongst the specific causes. So unless evidence appears to the contrary, it sounds like too many chain restaurants chasing too few customers. That's business, not Brexit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 08:32 AM

"A majority of voters did note vote for a no deal"
A tiny majority of a 72% turnout voted to leave without having the right to specify any alternatives
The demands being made at present are those of an extremist, unelected, self-appointed right-wing pressure group.

Britain now stands to lose one of its major industries due to "Brexit related problems"
British Steel is awaiting the decision of whether it is to receive a massive bailout in order to survive
Jamie Oliver's Restaurant chain is also facing closure due to Brexit related business problems - all very conducive to Britain "standing on her own two feet"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 May 19 - 08:10 AM

Amajority of voters did note vote for a no deal[ as some of the brexit party are claiming], some of the leavers voted to leave but be in a similiar position to norway


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 19 - 07:25 AM

BTW, your graffiti analogy is very apt. If you deface or piss on the graffiti, it makes it all the more difficult for the owners of the wall to clean it up. Try making the owner's (moderation team's) life easier by not adding to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 07:22 AM

"Not pandering to an inflated ego"
Tearing down and exposing is not pandering Dave
Ignoring is appeasing in my book
Apasrt from anything else, the contradictions of his arguments are worth pointing out - a miniscule non-party with no democratic credentials - the dismissal of minorities because 'they are too small to be considered important' while at the same time clutching on to a far smaller majority as "The will of the people" - attacking elected leaders as "anglophobic" while at the same time denigrating elected politicians who he doesn't agree with
By that argument, accusing a Prime minister as "a traitor" is as "Anglophobic" as it comes

If he actually put up an argument, we would have nothing to complain about - would that Nigel and Stanron did occasionally, but neither of them 'soapbox' as this feler does
Well worth a few minutes worth of exposé in my book
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 19 - 06:57 AM

Not pandering to an inflated ego is not the same as walking away, Jim.


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