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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 08:33 AM
KarenH 03 Mar 19 - 08:12 AM
Iains 03 Mar 19 - 07:29 AM
Iains 03 Mar 19 - 06:19 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 05:04 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 04:53 AM
DMcG 03 Mar 19 - 04:08 AM
Iains 03 Mar 19 - 04:03 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 03:15 AM
KarenH 03 Mar 19 - 01:19 AM
KarenH 03 Mar 19 - 01:17 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Mar 19 - 08:33 PM
bobad 02 Mar 19 - 06:54 PM
Steve Shaw 02 Mar 19 - 06:27 PM
Raggytash 02 Mar 19 - 04:30 PM
Iains 02 Mar 19 - 04:09 PM
Raggytash 02 Mar 19 - 03:31 PM
Iains 02 Mar 19 - 10:37 AM
peteaberdeen 02 Mar 19 - 08:42 AM
Raggytash 02 Mar 19 - 07:32 AM
Iains 02 Mar 19 - 06:25 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Mar 19 - 06:24 AM
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Raggytash 02 Mar 19 - 05:35 AM
Iains 02 Mar 19 - 05:14 AM
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Jim Carroll 02 Mar 19 - 03:23 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 08:33 AM

"It is not 'racist' but a matter of historical fact that Irish people have killed other Irish people."
As Brits have killed Brits and any other nationality that gets in their way
You used your racist accusation to justify partitioning Ireland yet it was the creation of a sectarian state by Britain along with the propping up of a sectarian minority that seet one group against the other
"Pretty sensible line to draw given the Irish tendency to murder each other"
Your Little Englander ignorance of the Irish question is breathtaking in its shallowness and your suggestion that the Irish would continue to slaughter each other is as racist as it gets
I really thought that sort of mentality died with the empire that used it to control most of the world
It is [petty significant that throughout the Troubles, despite claims such as yours, that the troops were only there to keep the peace, the Army carefully chose which side it was on and assisted that side in every way possible
The British establishment is still sprinting around like a blue-arsed fly attempting to cover up some of the atrocities it was part in and prevent the perpetrators having to stand trial for their actions

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/northern-ireland-backstop-the-troubles-theresa-may-brexit-european-union-red-lines-a8803336.html
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 08:12 AM

It is not 'racist' but a matter of historical fact that Irish people have killed other Irish people. Much of this happened in what was called 'The Troubles'. Jim himself accepted this when he said he supposed that Brexit might lead to a return to 'sectarian violence'. Note the word 'return'. On that basis he accepts the historical facts, which are that Irish people have killed eachother. I think I might have used words such as 'murdered' and also 'tarred and feathered' and 'punishment shootings' as well, none of which makes me racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 07:29 AM

An interesting clip

EU army?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uggLsHDEk4

Oh what a twisted web we weave........


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 06:19 AM

"But to narrow the focus simply to the role of the British government for a moment: for all the massive irresponsibility and buck-passing that characterised the five years of crisis, the state succeeded in organising public relief schemes that employed three-quarters of a million workers, and at one point was responsible for feeding three million people on a daily basis.

These are not the actions of a Government or a state bent on genocide."


Now are you paying attention jimmie?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 05:04 AM

Can I just hastily add a comment aimed at those of us who agree that we don't respond to a serial abuser
The Irish Question has once again become a major feature of British politics
We have two posters who have decided to adopt a racist attitude towards the Irish (one always has done)
For the sake of clarity, the subject needs to be nipped in the bud now before it gets a toe-hold
I have said what I believe needs to be said - as far as I am concerned, it ends there
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 04:53 AM

TO NO-ONE IN PARTICULAR
A WIDER VIEW - NOT PARTICULARLY FOR "BOGTROTTER RACISTS"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 04:08 AM

It is quite amusing in its way that 'senior Tory MPs soften opposition to Brexit deal' in the Guardian's phrase. In short, Brady of amendment fame has recommended the acceptance of the deal to the 1922 committee if Cos can come back with a form of words to reassure them the border agreement is temporary. They seem to have forgotten that it was declared to be so 8 December 2017 "JOINT REPORT FROM THE NEGOTIATORS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION AND THE UNITED KINGDOM GOVERNMENT ON PROGRESS DURING PHASE 1 OF NEGOTIATIONS UNDER ARTICLE 50 paragraphs 42-56, which make use of phrases like "In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union" which make plain that these arrangement would end if an agreed alternative is in place.


There can be as much flannel as you wish says that the EU and UK do want to reach such an alternative agreement, but I think it is 100% certain any new words Cox brings back will keep that line: everything stays in place until a new agreement is reached.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 04:03 AM

Of course Jim is clearly guilty of being in violation of The European Union Framework Decision for Combating Racism and Xenophobia (2007)

The text establishes that the following intentional conduct will be punishable in all EU Member States:

    - Publicly inciting to violence or hatred, even by dissemination or distribution of tracts, pictures or other material, directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin.

The deliberately mishandled famine which wiped out a million and drove out another million over five years
This is a thinly veiled accusation of genocide and should be dealt with accordingly.
I trust the bitter old racist bigot feels proud of himself! He stands condemned by his own words.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 03:15 AM

"It could be argued that people who dismiss as Irish people who came from Scotland several hundred years ago are 'racist', and, indeed, at least one Irish (as apparently defined by Jim)"
I have called nobody but you and Iains racist Karen - you both have sterotyped Irish people - you are "killing each other" - Iarins as "bogtrotters" - as racist in my book as it gets
In 1922 Britain forced through a treaty which deliberately created a sectarian (not racist) state giving the power to the two thirds majority - an unequal state in terms of property ownership, voting rights and employment.
That led to nearly half a century of sectarian based violence and culminated in open warfare
Members of my own family, including two small children, were driven from their home with only what they could carry in suitcases and on a pushchair containing th youngest child
When protests demanding Civil Rights broke out in the late sixties, peaceful demonstrators were directed by the police, through screaming mobs of Loyalist bigots - the result, several years of open warfare
None of this was racist - it was down to a sectarian state created and supported by Westminster
Now the same Westminster is still using the same sectarian group to keep its Government in office, sing teh British taxpayers money to do so
The consequences of Brexit are quite likely to lead to a renewal of violence between the two communities and until the Little Englanders over the water get their head around that fact, that will remain a threat
This has never been about race - the ordinary Irish people get on well together when they are not being used by England (Westminster is equally well-able to use the other national groups in Britain when it suits their purpose
Yours and you new friend's stereotyping of the Irish people is a disgrace
I suggest your go read a book, I doubt if your friend is able
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 01:19 AM

It could be argued that people who dismiss as Irish people who came from Scotland several hundred years ago are 'racist', and, indeed, at least one Irish (as apparently defined by Jim) historians have suggested that at times Irish Nationalism has been tainted by 'racist' views of what being Irish is. Do people whose origins were, say, Muslim count as Irish in Jim's 'origins' based definition I wonder?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 01:17 AM

Irrational bile sounds good to me. Now let's leave this where it is eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 08:33 PM

Inexplicably, the pound has done quite well this week. Bought another couple of hundred euros, I have... I just hope the buggers will let me into Europe! I hear that a no-deal brexit could lead to passport delays amounting to five hours per aeroplane load. Didn't see that on the side of a bus!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: bobad
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 06:54 PM

I've been discussing Iains with the mods lately

Lololol............a sure sign he's feeling threatened by someone who's mounting a convincing counter argument to his position. He's done to others before so beware.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 06:27 PM

I don't even know what a scratchcard is. My old mate and I have jointly done the lottery for the last 25 years using the same numbers I used in the very first draw. Thirty bob a week each. Apart from that, it's the Grand National, a quid to win on one horse and a quid each way on a long shot. That's me lot when it comes to gambling.

I've been discussing Iains with the mods lately, Raggytash. The best policy is to blank him out and let him expose himself without response from us. He's a bit of a bobad when it comes to shifty dealings, so ignore him and let's see how it goes. I admit that I've been a fool on my own climate change thread but I'm reining meself in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 04:30 PM

One. I have never bought a scratch card in my life.

Two. I haven't bought a lottery ticket for over 15 years or perhaps more. I do acknowledge I very occasionally bought them when the lottery first started, though many years ago. (I now consider them to be idiot taxation)

Three. (and most importantly) If someone tells me that we should leave the EU and then that self same person moves some of his vast wealth to a EU based country I ask myself why.

Four. You post like an idiot and ........thus

Five. I can only conclude you are an idiot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 04:09 PM

Once again Idiot.    A fine example of a well structured leftard reply. To acknowledge others as your Lords and Masters suggests a massive inferiority complex, or perhaps a meek acceptance of your perceived place in society. The "rich man in his castle" and all that.
Never mind! keep buying the scratch cards!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 03:31 PM

Meanwhile one of your hero's is moving his wealth out of the UK into the EU to ensure that he doesn't suffer financially and you continue to act like a simpleton and say that is fine for my lords and masters.

Once again Idiot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 10:37 AM

And now for something completely. The font of accurate facts and critical analysis!

https://order-order.com/2019/03/01/eurozone-suffers-worst-manufacturing-slump-since-2013/

Oh Dear what can the matter be
   German cars are stuck in the factory
They'll be there for many a saturday
   destroying the EU budget with flair!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 08:42 AM

i read that the nicotine-stained man frog is planning a 'leave means leave' march from sunderland to london. that's 281 miles in 20 days. how marvelous! what unlimited comic potential (or possibly a 'Slow TV' opportunity. Carry on Brexit? or'Triumph of the Will' as half a dozen puffing 50 somethings manage to wobble past the 3rd open pub of the day's journey. i look forward to seeing NF (just noticed that connection...hmm) giving up the tweed for a tracksuit and sweatband.

any opposition to this carnival would i hope be entirely jovial piss-taking with no aggression - any suggestions?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 07:32 AM

Betrayal eh ......... strong word.

But not quite as strong an indication as moving some of your investment company to a eurozone, or as some may term it a betrayal of one's principles.

If he ever had any.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 06:25 AM

Jacob Rees-Mogg claims that the European project proves “the more Europe, the worse you do” - amid mounting fears over economic collapse
in the EU.

The EU Titanic


Unless betrayed we will not be part of such nonsense. Spiffing News!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 06:24 AM

"irrational bile."
The only irrational bile is your revealing racist outburst and Iain's persistent ""bogtrotter" hatred
Let's leave it where it is eh
Behaviour like this puts Brexit exactly where it belongs - ignorance besed bigotry
PROBABLY MORE BOGTROTTING IN_FIGHTING

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 06:24 AM

"irrational bile."
The only irrational bile is your revealing racist outburst and Iain's persistent ""bogtrotter" hatred
Let's leave it where it is eh
Behaviour like this puts Brexit exactly where it belongs - ignorance besed bigotry
PROBABLY MORE BOGTROTTING IN_FIGHTING

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 05:35 AM

Back to Brexit.

Something that has slipped under my radar. Rees Mogg the arch brexiteer moved some of his investment company Somerset Capital Management to Dublin last year.

So much for "we're all in this together" eh!


Rees Mogg

Any good news yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 05:14 AM

I can accept the Irish Famine was a tragedy caused by ignorance, incompetence and misplaced Victorian morality. To attempt to portray ir as an act of deliberate genocide is the irrational delusion of a venomous old man witha massive chip on his shoulder concerning all things English because in modern parlance his father would be declared a terrorist.
      For deliberate read the Highland Clearances


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 04:56 AM

'HORSE SHIT' seems a tad extreme. But it does seem to me that Jim is not one to let a nuanced and carefully researched historical view of the tragedy that was the potato famine get in the way of a bit of irrational bile.

'sums pup the clonisres'. Gaelic? :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 04:07 AM

There was a particularly unthinking Brexiteer on Newsnight a few evenings ago talking about the difference in standard on both sides of the border - he was happy to be on US standards whatever the Government might say. All you have to do, apparently, is to agree to recognise each other's standards.

The spirit of "The easiest deal in history" lives on, I see. Just reach an agreement, that's all. Which we are doing so successfully for every aspect of Brexit.

Just reach an agreement. I could barely contain my laughter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 03:43 AM

For Brexit, all that matters is that the Irish border question is highly significant to both sides and has been an area of violence very recently. All this historical stuff is good background, but it is all about WHY the border is significant. The important thing from now on is THAT it is significant.

For example, the recent US ideas on what a trade deal would involve in changes of standards will be of vital importance to NI/Ireland and would still be even if none of that history had happened.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 03:36 AM

Try reading up The deliberately mishandled famine which wiped out a million and drove out another million over five years

HORSE SHIT!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 03:23 AM

Medieval history -
Ireland was reluctantly colonised for eight centuries - religion divided the world and burned its opponents alive - Henry VIII bulti the biggest bonfires so he could get his leg over - which sums pup the clonisres rather than their victims
Try reading up The deliberately mishandled famine which wiped out a million and drove out another million over five years
Your remarks were racist and inexcusable
Please don't repeat them - there's already too much of that
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 09:04 AM

> Meanwhile, The US repeats what it hopes to get from a trade deal

and Britain socks it back:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47418505

The US wants "comprehensive market access" for its farmers' products that would see more US-made food on British supermarket shelves. European Union rules currently limit US exports of certain food products, including chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-boosted beef. If free of EU trade rules, the US wants the UK to remove such so-called "sanitary and physiosanitary" standards on its farm exports.

Yeah, that always ends well.

Trump "also demands that the pound not be 'manipulated' to improve trade income or make UK products cheaper in the US." The pounds that are really going to get manipulated are those that measure body-weight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 08:46 AM

And what do the English make of all this? Well, I won't generalise, but I do recall at the height of the troubles people saying angrily we should just nuke the lot of them. But I think that might be going a tad too far :)_


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 08:42 AM

Wolfe Tone? Robert Emmet? Descended from incoming 'planters'.


And the 'celtic revival' was largely brought about by wait for it writers of a protestant or Anglo Irish background.


So now who's over-simplifying? Not to mention being a tad patronising eh Jim lad?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 08:32 AM

And I have read a fair bit of Irish history, which is how I know that in Medieval times there was a collection of warring chieftains and not a united country. There was a warrior aristocracy. Plus of course the bits ruled by Vikings who founded quite a lot of towns. There may have been some sort of 'high king' but this seems dubious and the position was contested at the time. I think I have this right.

In so far as the country was Catholic (and at one time it was at odds with Rome about the form of Christianity) then it cannot complain about the Pope giving it to Henry VIII of England and I don't suppose many did so at the time.

Not sure whether Jim would count descendants of the Anglo-Normans as Irish, they used to be called the 'Old English'.

etc etc etc


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 08:12 AM

Meanwhile, The US repeats what it hopes to get from a trade deal

As I said earlier, this in line with what Raab and co published as characterizing the ideal trade agreement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 07:28 AM

And I stand by my point: if there is a return to what JIM has called 'sectarian violence' on a large scale (because I am not convinced it ever completely went away) then this will not be 'because' of Brexit or 'because' of some failure of the Good Friday agreement but 'because' some people, maybe 'bigots', as JIM described loyalists but I think Catholics can be just as bigoted, CHOOSE violence.

And I for one don't think they should.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 07:21 AM

Just a bit of evidence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Real_Irish_Republican_Army_actions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milltown_Cemetery_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_Volunteer_Force


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 07:14 AM

I'm another fairy. Pointing out that Irish tendency to murder eachother isn't racist. Poet Seamus Heaney did it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 06:42 AM

The government has already settled, to the tune of £33 million. They can't defend the case, and they know it. More money hemorrhaging out, over asshattery that never should have happened.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47414699


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 04:30 AM

Euro tunnel start legal challenge to ferry deals

It seems the Government has set aside 800K for this. When they talked about money being set aside to address no-deal issues, this was not what I had in mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 11:21 AM

Nor have I insulted anybody personally - certainly not you


and I am the christmas fairy that fell off the tree!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 07:10 AM

"I am merely responding in kind to your posts."
I have never imn my life racially attacked anybody - there id no excuse for your behaviour here Karen
Nor have I insulted anybody personally - certainly not you
Finis
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 06:47 AM

Jim
I am merely responding in kind to your posts. If you cannot take it do not dish it out. You yourself referred to sectarian violence. Talk about having your cake and eating it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 06:09 AM

"Pretty sensible line to draw given the Irish tendency to murder eachother"
THat's an indredibly racist statement Karen -
The wars in Ireland can all be traced back to rid themselves of an Imperial power - on the whole, the people in general get on with one another, no matter what their different religions
Any sectarian violence that occured arose from the creation of an unequal secrtarian State by Britain - the first shots were fired Loyalists and the major violence broke out when Civil Rights protest marches for equality were diverted thought stone throwing mobs made up of the same bigots
Regarding your very revealing foot in mouth about aspiring to be
"British" - the majority 'British-linked' people of Northern Ireland have their roots in Scotland, a country that was treated similarly by the empire
I think we're finished here - I can get most of this sort of thing from a Tommy Robinson site - please take your anti-Irish hatred eslewhere - we've already got one of them
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 05:31 AM

And, while I am enjoying myself thinking and arguing outside the box, this dual citizenship stuff ought to go to. Pick one or the other, none of this two passports rubbish, especially for people expressing hatred of the 'British'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 05:29 AM

No it most certainly will not be - it will be the fault of whoever drew a line across Ireland designation a large slice of it to be British - how unnatural is that

Pretty sensible line to draw given the Irish tendency to murder eachother on religious grounds and the wishes of the majority of those in Northern Ireland. And I think they designated it 'Northern Ireland'.

There was never a political entity called 'Ireland' before the Normans/Welsh went in. It was a collection of squabbling petty chiefdoms, rather like much of Europe at that time.

I can only hope that they crack down hard on any sectarian violence and on those who justify it through emotive nonsense like 'unnatural'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 05:25 AM

"Lots of Irish think of themselves as British."
You know that - o course ?
Not in my part of Ireland they don't - can't think of one
Those who do, do so because their Britishness was either forced upon them 100 years ago as a "temporary measure" to gain a peace that was never fulfilled, or to dominate in a deliberately created sectarian Protestant State
The most artificial thing you could possibly do is draw a line across a country and call part of it it somewhere else - it robs people of their national, cultural and historical identity and is guaranteed to creat a permanent industry of body-bag manufacture
I'm afraid Frank Harte's words are being borne out by your own display of both British arrogance and a lack of knowledge of the Irish people, who they actually are and who you appear to wish them to be.
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 05:23 AM

We had to start bombing teagues/prods/pubs in Brum because the Uk voted to come out of the EU? I don't buy it.

I still don't buy it, and thank you for the recap on Good Friday and DUP policies but I knew about that and I still don't buy it.

"Yes I bombed them, I killed/kneed-capped/mutilated/punishment shot various young people/women/children but HISTORY MADE ME DO IT. It's your fault for not keeping to the Good Friday agreement and for voting for Brexit'

Geddit? I don't buy it. It's a choice, not history.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 05:09 AM

Ah, over-simplification criticised and then a good example of it given, an example from Frank Harte (whoever he is).

This word 'British'. Lots of Irish think of themselves as British.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 01:53 PM

Perhaps, as Israel is now being accused by American Rabbis of colluding with a group described as being equivalent to the KKK, there's a name that should be added to your list Bobad
You can throw these in FOR GOOD MEASURE
Jim Carroll


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