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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Jack Campin 11 Sep 19 - 07:54 AM
Rain Dog 11 Sep 19 - 07:37 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Sep 19 - 07:30 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Sep 19 - 07:16 AM
Iains 11 Sep 19 - 06:20 AM
Rain Dog 11 Sep 19 - 06:11 AM
Iains 11 Sep 19 - 04:22 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Sep 19 - 02:56 AM
DMcG 11 Sep 19 - 02:32 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 07:54 AM

More on the planned mass murder by medicine shortage.

the Black Dot campaign


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 07:37 AM

"The home Counties - 'the soft underbelly of Britain' is no indication of what will happen elsewhere - it never has been"

Guess it has been quite a while since you were down in Kent then Jim. Like most places there is a mix of people. I am sure that the ex miners of Kent would have had something to say about your comment. Here on the south coast there are quite a few deprived areas

Again you go one about racists? What about your own racist comment about the Irish? Do you repeat that to all your neighbours and expect them to agree with it?

Seems like a few people should be taking medication to treat their hysteria.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 07:30 AM

”You are forever........saying that people should be beheaded.”

Sorry, Raindog, that’s nonsense. I have never seen, or heard, here or anywhere else, a Remainer make death-threats against Leavers. However, Internet forums, FarceBook, and Twatter are littered with examples of Leavers telling Remainers they are ‘Traitors who should be arrested, marched out, and shot at dawn for Treason’, and other expressions to similar effect.

It’s been said to me - both on FarceBook and face-to-face - on a number of occasions. I see just as many, if not more, ‘sore winners’ on the Leave side as I see ‘sore losers’ on the Remain side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 07:16 AM

The home Counties - 'the soft underbelly of Britain' is no indication of what will happen elsewhere - it never has been
The hardest hit so far are the Northern Areas, particularly the North East
It would be little less than self harm to continue voting for Brexit up there
Wales voted to leave but the talk among Wesh farmers is of civil unrest if things on the path they are moving
Members of my family, in the North West and on the South Coast voted to leave - they regret it now, especially the one who has a lucrative job involving trips to Italy
Personal experiences such as these are meaningless in the ligh of a now proven disastor course Britain is on
I don't think leavers are stupid - I've recently warned against the error of describing them such
I say they've been lied to, starved of information, and bullied - it would be a very 'stupid' individual to claim otherwise

The racism speaks for itself - from Farage's disgusting poster to the massive spike in racist incidents immediately following the referendum
Britain already had a racist problem - when a right-wing-scum bucket like the Daily Mail publish a nationwide survey indicating that between a quarter and a third of British people hold and have expressed racist opinions you need to look around you with more critical eyes
I know from having lived in three of Britain's major cities how racist Britain is
We even have our own "bogtrotter", "Froggies" and "Traveller thieves and slaveowners" on this forum as examples of the worst of what's happening to the British people   

Good to see YET ANOTHER KICK UP THE ARSE turned into a victory
Things get better and better by the minute
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 06:20 AM

Nice bit of grandstanding off the Scottish Courts. Totally meaningless finding of course.
We now kick the circus off to the supreme court and after that the ECJ just for added comedy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 06:11 AM

Jim Carroll posted on the 9.9.19 in answer to an earlier post of mine

""I personally think that if do have another referendum it will be close again and could go either way."
On what to you base this RD. and how on earth will that solve the problems Brexit has already caused and will continue to cause ?
Do you really believe that the British People are a bunch of lemmings ?
I don't believe they would be so suicidally stupid and if they are we deserve everything we get, but at least it would be a decision taken with some knowledge, which is what democracy entiles us all to"

Why do I think if we had another referendum again it would be close?

I live in the largest European Parliament constituency here in the UK. In the last election Brexit won 4 of the 10 seats with 36.1% of the vote, the Lib Dems were second with 3 seats, 25.7%.

In Kent, where I live, 9 areas they got mid to high 40s percent. 2 areas low 40s and 1 area 51.1 %. There were only 2 areas where they got under 40. Granted it was the usual low turnout but it is only those of us who turn out that get counted.

In the referendum here in Kent, with a turnout over 70%, the vote was near enough 2 to 1 in favour of leaving. Before the referendum I had little doubt that it would be close, going on talking with people locally.

Now when I talk to people about the mess that we are now in, I have yet to come across one leave voter who has changed their mind. I should add that unlike some of you here, I am able to talk in the pubs with leave voters. I always tell them that I voted to remain and have to admit that one or two have given me some strange looks but that was it. Admittedly I did get strange looks before the referendum.

Like I have said, there has always been a number of people who were opposed to us joining the EU and remaining in it. Both parties were split before we joined and also in the 1975 referendum.

Here in Kent, 100s of jobs were lost as a result of us being in the EU, especially after 1993 and the free movement of goods. One of the prime movers for this initiative was a certain Margaret Thatcher.

That is why I think it will be close again.

You and some of your friends here can say that all leave voters are stupid, Nazi, racist people. Some of them may well be but the majority are not.

The language that is used here at times is appalling. You are forever going on about Nazi dictatorships and saying that people should be beheaded. What the hell is that all about? If we met in a pub and you came out with that sort of talk, I would just walk away. You appear at times to display the same traits of the people you disagree with.

You are far too quick to label people racist. You yourself made a comment back on the 7th August which I found unbelievable and insulting to my parents, my cousins and all other Irish people. You should be ashamed of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 04:22 AM

The Labour Party has shifted position on an election so much that their website currently hosts a page published less than a week ago that says Labour will back an election as soon as their Surrender Bill passed. The bill passed. Not a single Labour MP voted for an election.
The Labour Brexit policy is vaguely reminiscent of three not wise monkeys
Hear no sense
See no sense
Speak nonsense

They have an extensive nationalisation program planned(against EU Law)
They want to commandeer houses and forcibly sell them below market value( I look forward to seeing that one fly as it is in direct conflict with the European Convention on Human Rights as amended by the provisions of Protocol No. 14 (CETS no. 194) as from its entry into force on 1 June 2010)

According to McDonnell Labour has finally come full-circle on their ever-shifting Brexit policy; from respecting the result of the referendum to saying their second referendum will be a choice between no Brexit and Brexit in name only. The next election will be a very stark choice…

How magic grandad expects to win an election when they are all at odds on Brexit totally escapes me. I am sure their party conference will be like an audition for the GOON show, presumably borrowing elements from the Monty Python 'Dead Parrot' sketch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 02:56 AM

"Disastrous as a campaigning message."
It seems to me that, whatever happens over leaving Europe, politics are never going to be the same again in British Politics
Johnson and his wrecking gang have more or less wrecked any pretence of democracy now and whatever party replaces him (he can't possibly continue) can forget about taking over as if nothing has happened
What should Labour campaigning on ?
It seems to me that if the UK is to survive, in or out of Europe, its political structures have to be rebuilt

I gave up voting when Blair's mob removed any chance of a better society from Labour's aims - I became interested again when Corbyn became talking about changing society - it seems to me that could be lost by compromising on those changes with a coalition of the same-cold, same old, with the shelving of the ideal that Labour has, or should have stood for

Rather than narrow the gap between haves and have-nots, the loss of investment and yet more British industries has widened it considerably

THe last coalition Ireland's Labour Party entered into set it back decades - I would hate Corbyn to fall into the same trap
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 02:32 AM

We will have to see what comes out of the conferences but the current Labour policy to me sounds intellectually and morally sound.. Summering it, we believe in and recommend remain, but if you reject that we are duty bound to offer the best version of leave we can, even though that is not our preference.

Sound.
Moral,

Disastrous as a campaigning message.

I have already had messages from people who are not necessarily on either side who find campaigning against what you have negotiated incomprehensible. It will exploited to the full as if it is confused.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 06:29 PM

i'm just back in from my labour party branch meeting - it was really good. we had a long discussion on how to mandate our delegate to conference on the brexit question. we had a range of views, the question is not simple but we were very respectful of *all views and did not argue - or reach a decision . so pretty much typical labour party then.

i say *all but my own suggestion was to say we have left, to change the passports back to dark blue, say a few au revoirs and auf wiedersehns and missing you already. then carry on exactly as before. we remainers could carry on smugly while brexiteers could say 'you remoaners said it would be a disaster and it's not bad at all, losers'

really, how would we know if we had left. or not? everyone is happy


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 05:58 PM

The LibDems, nationalist parties and Greens are all united in wanting a referendum and calling for remain. I'm not happy that Labour are keen to get their own deal (yeah, sure...) then have a referendum with no remain policy. We're going to have half the bloody party campaigning against their own deal. A split. It won't do. We need a degree of unity on this among all opposition parties in order to beat the bloody Tories. Priority numero uno. I should like to see Labour solidly in the remain camp.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 05:28 PM

Looks like a terminal Brexit ‘Bump in the Road’ for the Isle of Skye Chocolate Co. pretty sure there will be a lot more small businesses finding themselves in this position once Dom & Dumber have run us over the no-deal cliff-edge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:58 PM

”17 million voted for brexit without knowing what it was,
!7.4 million actually. But they knew sufficient to put the x in the right box,
Presumably the losers did not. That is probably why they lost.
No matter what arguments you continue to advance, the fact remains that you lost. I would have thought that after more than three years you would all be aware of that fact by now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 01:10 PM

”17 million voted for brexit without knowing what it was, D ;-) “

Yes Dave, but MPs are supposed to be intelligent and rational, whereas.... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 01:09 PM

Irishman Phil Hogan, agriculture representitive, has been appointed new Trade Commissioner, so when/if ever the UK get their collective arses into gear and returns to negotiate leaving it is he who they will have to negotiate with - I'm damned sure he's not going to agree anything that involves a border
More Briolence in Northern Ireland today when a police vehicle is attacked
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 01:00 PM

Point taken, Dave :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 12:53 PM

17 million voted for brexit without knowing what it was, D ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 12:32 PM

So Caroline Flint is saying 50 Labout MPs are ready to back a new deal. She is entitled to her view and in fact her voting record on Brexit has been pretty consistent. But if 50 Labour MPs are ready to vote for a deal without knowing what it is that is a sorry state of affairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 10:15 AM

Jo Swinson made a passionate, eloquent and excoriating attack on Johnson last night, and she's a likeable character, but the LibDems' tactic of saying that they will revoke Article 50 if they get a parliamentary majority (anyone just see that flying pig?) means that a united front presented by the opposition parties, so nicely on display in the Commons this week, is impossible in the election campaign to come. My view, which I've arrived at very reluctantly, is that a united opposition to the Tories should be predicated on fighting for another referendum and a campaign to remain. I would really love to see my Labour Party move to that position (which puts me in the somewhat unenviable position of agreeing with Peter Mandelson - he's a canny bugger if nothing else). We're not far off, and, with the LibDems in accord, along with the Greens and nationalist parties, we'd have a formidable opposition to this disastrous shower.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 09:45 AM

I assume that is article 50 Mac ?
If so, there was a petition which received over two million signatures calling for just this
I'd be more than happy to see it happen but I agree that now is probably not the time
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 09:24 AM

I am a bit concerned about the rumours the LibDems are considering an SO24 calling for Article 40 to be revoked. Having avoided the elephant traps so far, I think it unwise to build one on behalf of the Tories.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 09:19 AM

Fabulous result again, which makes the proroguing of Parliament nothing more than an undemocratic act of pure vindictiveness (unless these bastards are preparing to move in the tanks)   
I have to express my gratitude for the persistent examples of mindless nastiness of Brexit without having to move away from these threads
When people start referring to fellow Britons who don't agree with them as "the enemy" and "traitors" we all need to start strengthening our front doors and making sure our locks work
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:22 AM

Again a request for an election is rejected. The rebels are quite happy to collude with a rogue speaker to drive legislation through the house without the authority of the ruling party.
Yet when twice being offered the choice of an election to allow the electorate to give legitimacy to their actions they balk!

Are they worried they do not have popular support for their actions?
They merely postpone their inevitable day of reckoning, while more and more of the electorate steadily awake to the destruction of democracy, well exemplified by rebels assaulting staff of the commons around the speakers chair last night. Hardly an edifying site, but thoroughly in keeping with the rebels standards of behaviour. They cannot obtain legitimacy through the ballot box, so now they try by resorting to violence.
The enemy is showing it's true colours!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 01:22 PM

On what to you base this RD. and how on earth will that solve the problems Brexit has already caused and will continue to cause ?
Do you really believe that the British People are a bunch of lemmings ?
I don't believe they would be so suicidally stupid and if they are we deserve everything we get, but at least it would be a decision taken with some knowledge, which is what democracy entiles us all to


Your question is already answered.
29 Brexit party seats in the EU parliament.(A clear majority)
In local government elections:
Conservatives: the party lost control of nearly a third of the councils it had.It came out with 93(down 45).In the process,it saw net losses of 1,269 seats.
Labour: Had hoped to make ground, not lose it. The party saw a net loss of six councils, ending up controlling 60, and had a net loss of 63 seats along the way.Lib Dems: The biggest winners. The Lib Dems managed net gains of 11 councils – leaving them in control of 18 – and 676 councillors.

of course the brexit party had no time to participate in these elections and the Lib Dems picked up the protest vote

I have no doubt the level of frustration of the electorate has continued rising since(03.5.19)

The coming election is going to be brutal and I predict Labour is going to be destroyed for decades.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 01:08 PM

It seems all are now confirming the Benn wrecking bill has now become law. It was nodded through the commons(not even counted), encouraged through the Lords at top speed and now given Royal Assent. One must ask the question why?
    I suspect the bill has a fatal flaw contained within that will invalidate it. I could be wrong but we shall see. There may well be a case to answer in the Courts concerning Bercow dismissing the need for Queen's consent, and how it may impact the Queen's Perogative and thereby does need queen's consent. Such decisions are normally within the remit of the speaker, HOWEVER........... I see choppy waters ahead.
All will come clear in the fullness of time no doubt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 01:06 PM

"I personally think that if do have another referendum it will be close again and could go either way."
On what to you base this RD. and how on earth will that solve the problems Brexit has already caused and will continue to cause ?
Do you really believe that the British People are a bunch of lemmings ?
I don't believe they would be so suicidally stupid and if they are we deserve everything we get, but at least it would be a decision taken with some knowledge, which is what democracy entiles us all to
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 12:34 PM

As I have said earlier, the so called debate before the last referendum was laughable. The remain campaign had few facts to go on, as at that time they had not even considered that people might vote to leave.

I personally think that if do have another referendum it will be close again and could go either way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 12:11 PM

"No one can be sure what will happen if/when we leave the EU."
No responsible Government can possibly take such an important decision not knowing what can happen RD
According to Gove, the Government's own predictions listed in the 'Yellowhammer Document" were made some years ago
Instead of people being made aware of them they were kept in the dark
I suggest you read through the list of predictions and come back and tell us there was no need to make them public
This is the kind of secrecy The Soviet Union was accused of indulging in during The Cold War - Johnson has sunk Britain to that level

I reckon a successful Step Six would be for Johnson to attempt to crash out of Europe after it has been made illegal Rag
Then we could take turns in visiting him in The Scrubs
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 12:09 PM

Funny thing that, D. When I started a search for "Benn Bill" the first thing Ms Google suggested was Benny Hill. Bringing us right back to BoJo the clown. He has said he would "die in a ditch" rather than obey the law. I do hope he doesn't. We have not had this much entertainment from any politician since "Spitting Image" finished. They would have had a field day!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:59 AM

And on the BBC live feed at 16:06

Why does a Benny Hill song "Put your fingers in your ears and go 'ting-a-ling-a-loo" come to mind, I wonder?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:56 AM

No one can be sure what will happen if/when we leave the EU. With regards to imports into the UK, the plan is to have a temporary tariff, under which up to 87% of imports by value would be duty free. That would mean that most of the stuff coming here from the EU would be free of duties etc.

However...

Due to changes caused by our leaving there are likely to be some teething problems (to put it mildly) to setting up/agreeing new procedures for documentation etc required to import UK goods into the EU. This could well cause delays to vehicles entering the EU from the UK, which in turn will mean a delay to them reloading more of the EU goods that we need here in the UK.

With any change in procedures there are likely to be some problems. They will be overcome. With regards to panic buying here in the UK, that too should settle down after a short while.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:51 AM

STEP SIX SUCCESSFUL
Nowhere near reliable as Guido, I'm afraid - no British National Party links
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:26 AM

It appears that our fascist member doesn't know how to select a bit of text and paste it into a Google search box to figure out where it comes from. (Handling that much stuff on my very old phone makes it difficult to wrap quotes in the appropriate metadata - I was lucky the session didn't crash).

Anybody who does that will see that less complete versions of that list have been publicized from many sources in the last few weeks. Some of the shortages have already started, including medications my wife and I are prescribed. E-Surgery didn't say exactly where they got it, my guess is that it was from a report compilled for the Operation Yellowhammer Civil Service team. I imagine it's been quite widely circulated around medical and pharmacy professionals.

A quick look at the label on a few boxes of prescription medications, and a look at the BNF listings of who makes the alternatives for multi-supplier drugs, would make it pretty obvious why there's a problem. It wouldn't be hard to reconstruct the list from standard public references about pharmaceutical logistics. When this was first raised publicly a few months ago I looked in our medicine cabinet: of the 17 medications my wife and I take between us, 3 were made in the UK and the rest in the EU27.


Located and added by mudelf, because it is important information. Found using exactly the method described here. --mudelf


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:25 AM

It was on the Independent live feed and CNN news, but if you wish to continuing hanging on by your fingernails feel free!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:18 AM

"BREAKING: The Benn bill aimed at blocking no-deal Brexit on 31 October has become law after the Queen gave Royal Assent."
I see no mention on the internet. Have you a link?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:13 AM

Some interesting comments about Bercow in the press. If there is not another election it will be the current members who elect the new Speaker, who is far more likely to be in Bercow's mould than the Brexiteer the government seemed to want. Shows every sign if being clever timing to thwart the wilder elements.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 11:00 AM

Bercow standing down end of October. Wonderful news.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 10:52 AM

Step six successful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 10:46 AM

" The Benn bill aimed at blocking no-deal Brexit on 31 October has become law after the Queen gave Royal Assent."
Not good news for our Staffordshire English Defence League member than
Shame
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 10:37 AM

"BREAKING: The Benn bill aimed at blocking no-deal Brexit on 31 October has become law after the Queen gave Royal Assent."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 09:31 AM

I wouldn't notmally post this much quoted text, but it's very important information and the site it comes from isn't always up.


Brexit is on the horizon.

Drugs shortages are on the horizon with Brexit looming.Drugs shortages are on the horizon with Brexit looming.
The UK is currently set to leave the European Union, following a “Leave” result in the 2016 referendum. We don’t know yet exactly how this will pan out, although the likelihood of a no deal Brexit is looking increasingly likely. But how will this effect your prescriptions? There are already widespread reports of delays in Pharmacies due to unavailable medication, even for relatively common drugs. Many patients report being negatively affected by this, as drug shortages potentially endanger many.

For your information, we can share with you the following medications which our suppliers have expressed concern about, either because there are worries around future import rights or because the prices are already rising as a result of stockpiling; leading to real concerns over post-Brexit costs and availability.

For instance, high blood pressure (hypertension) medications such as Telmisartan, Valsartan, Remipril, Olmesartan, Nebivolol, Nifedipine (Adalat), Candesartan, Losartan (Cozaar), Lisinopril, Irbesartan, Bendroflumethiazide (Aprinox), and Amlodipine (Norvasc) are currently affected by the shortage. Antidepressants on the list include Venlafaxine, Lofepramine, Sertraline, Dosulepin, and Citalopram. Medications to treat or slow the development of Parkinson’s disease such as Rasagiline, Co-careldopa, and Ropinirole are also struggling to stay in stock. Risperidone, Quetiapine, and Olanzapine, which are primarily used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, are also steadilly going up in price due to UK Pharmacies stocking up.

Medication Possibly Affected by Brexit:

Acamprosate (Campral) – prescribed alongside counselling to treat alcohol dependence.
Aciclovir (Acyclovir) – an antiviral medication primarily used for the treatment of herpes simplex virus infections, chickenpox, and shingles.
Allopurinol – to decrease high blood uric acid levels. It is specifically used to prevent gout, prevent specific types of kidney stones and for the high uric acid levels that can occur with chemotherapy.
Amlodipine – is a medication used to treat hypertension (high blood pressure) and coronary artery disease.
Baclofen – to treat spasticity. It is used as a central nervous system depressant and skeletal muscle relaxant.
Bendroflumethiazide (Aprinox) – used in the management of hypertension (high blood pressure).
Calcipotriol ointment – for the treatment of psoriasis.
Candesartan – used for the treatment of hypertension and congestive heart failure.
Cetirizine – a second-generation antihistamine.
Citalopram – an antidepressant used to treat major depressive disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, panic disorder, and social phobia.
Co-careldopa – used to manage the symptoms of Parkinson’s disease.
Co-codamol tablets – pain relief when ibuprofen, aspirin, or naproxen alone do not sufficiently relieve a patient’s symptoms.
Cyclizine – a medication used to treat and prevent nausea, vomiting and dizziness due to motion sickness or vertigo.
Desogestrel (Cerelle) – a progestin medication which is used in birth control pills for women. It is also used in the treatment of menopausal symptoms in women.
Dihydrocodeine – prescribed for pain or severe dyspnea.
Dispersible Aspirin tablets – to treat pain, fever, or inflammation.
Dosulepin (Prothiaden) – is used in the treatment of depression.
Doxycycline – an antibiotic used in the treatment of pneumonia, acne, chlamydia infections, early Lyme disease, cholera and syphilis.
Esomeprazole (Nexium) – a proton-pump inhibitor which reduces stomach acid.
Exemestane (Aromasin) – a medication used to treat breast cancer.
Finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) – to treat an enlarged prostate or scalp hair loss in men. It can also be used to treat excessive hair growth in women and as a part of hormone therapy for transgender women.
Glimepiride (Amaryl) – an anti-diabetic medication.
Hydrocortisone – a steroid medicine that is used in the treatment of many different conditions, including allergic disorders, skin conditions, ulcerative colitis, arthritis, lupus, multiple sclerosis, or lung disorders.
Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) – used for the prevention and treatment of certain types of malaria as well as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and porphyria cutanea tarda.
Irbesartan – used for the treatment of hypertension (high blood pressure).
Lansoprazole (Prevacid) – to control the stomach’s production of gastric acid, effectively controlling pH inside the stomach.
Liquid Carbamazepine (Tegretol) – to treat epilepsy, neuropathic pain, and schizophrenia.
Lisinopril – to treat hypertension (high blood pressure), heart failure, and after heart attacks.
Lofepramine (Gamanil/Lomont/Tymelyt) – a tricyclic antidepressant which is used to treat depression.
Losartan (Cozaar) – used to treat hypertension (high blood pressure). Other uses include for diabetic kidney disease, heart failure, and left ventricular enlargement.
Meloxicam (Mobic) – anti-inflammatory drug used to treat pain and inflammation in rheumatic diseases and osteoarthritis.
Metformin (Glucophage) – type 2 diabetes medication.
Metoclopramide – commonly used to treat and prevent nausea and vomiting, to help with emptying of the stomach in people with delayed stomach emptying, gastroenteritis and to help with gastroesophageal reflux disease. It is also used to treat migraine headaches.
Metronidazole (Flagyl) – used either alone or with other antibiotics to treat pelvic inflammatory disease, endocarditis, and bacterial vaginosis.
Naproxen (Aleve/Naprosyn) – an anti-inflammatory used to treat pain, menstrual cramps, inflammatory diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, and fever.
Nebivolol – used for the treatment of hypertension (high blood pressure).
Nifedipine (Adalat) – used to manage angina, hypertension (high blood pressure), Raynaud’s phenomenon, and premature labour.
Nortriptyline (Allegron/Aventyl/Noritren/Nortrilen/Pamelor) – used to treat clinical depression. Another licensed use for it is in the treatment of childhood bedwetting
Olanzapine (Zyprexa) – an antipsychotic primarily used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
Olmesartan – used for the treatment of hypertension (high blood pressure).
Omeprazole – is a medication used in the treatment of gastroesophageal reflux disease, peptic ulcer disease, and Zollinger–Ellison syndrome.
Oxybutynin – to relieve urinary and bladder difficulties, including frequent urination and inability to control urination, by decreasing muscle spasms of the bladder. It is also given to help with symptoms associated with kidney stones.
Prednisolone – a steroid medication used to treat certain types of allergies, inflammatory conditions, autoimmune disorders, and cancers.
Pregabalin (Lyrica) – used to treat epilepsy, neuropathic pain, fibromyalgia, restless leg syndrome, and generalized anxiety disorder.
Quetiapine (Seroquel) – an antipsychotic used for the treatment of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder.
Rasagiline – used as a monotherapy to treat symptoms in early Parkinson’s disease or as an adjunct therapy in more advanced cases.
Ramipril (Altace) – used to treat high blood pressure and congestive heart failure.
Risperidone (Risperdal) – an antipsychotic used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and irritability associated with autism.
Ropinirole – used in the treatment of Parkinson’s disease and restless legs syndrome.
Sertraline (Zoloft) – an antidepressant medication used to treat major depressive disorder, obsessive–compulsive disorder, panic disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, premenstrual dysphoric disorder, and social anxiety disorder.
Sildenafil (Viagra) – used to treat erectile dysfunction and pulmonary arterial hypertension.
Sodium valproate (or valproate sodium) – an anticonvulsant used in the treatment of epilepsy, anorexia nervosa, panic attack, anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, migraine and bipolar disorder, as well as other psychiatric conditions requiring the administration of a mood stabiliser.
Sotalol – to treat abnormal heart rhythms.
Tamsulosin (Flomax) – for symptomatic benign prostatic hyperplasia, chronic prostatitis, and to help with the passage of kidney stones.
Telmisartan – used in the management of hypertension (high blood pressure).
Tibolone – for menopausal hormone therapy and in the treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis and endometriosis.
Valsartan – mainly used for treatment of high blood pressure, congestive heart failure, and to increase the chances of living longer after a heart attack.
Venlafaxine (Effexor) – an antidepressant medication used to treat major depressive disorder, generalised anxiety disorder, panic disorder, and social phobia.
Zopiclone – used in the treatment of insomnia.

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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 09:24 AM

You remainers must ask yourselves:
Is the extension bill law yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 07:04 AM

Sorry for the interruption Rag
Haven't been able to control myself since the joke thread opened
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 06:36 AM

Each to their own Jim, each to their own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 06:35 AM

I would consider this fair warning to Johnson, Javid et al.



The Criminal Bar Association has condemned suggestions from the government that it might try to ignore the law saying the PM would have to request a Brexit extension by 19 October, unless Boris Johnson either agrees a deal or gets MPs to vote for no deal. This is from the CBA’s chair, Caroline Goodwin.

"As the CBA our role is not to say ‘remain’ or ‘leave’ but part of our role is to explain the law – criminal law – and play our part in upholding the rule of law.

Standing up for the rule of law underpins our civil society – the economy, justice system, societal cohesion.

In or out the EU, a government that stands up for the rule of law acts in the best interests of the people – parliament included.

Any government – the executive – which ignores the rule of law and actively seeks to break the law undermines the entire justice system, opens the door wide open to mob rule and very quickly to anarchy.

How can a government on the one hand pledge to unleash a ‘reign of terror’ on criminals when its own leadership threatens to break the law?

We cannot expect people not to rob, rape and murder when a government declares it may break the law. We cannot lay rape to the rule of law."

Should be clear enough to even them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 06:34 AM

"Oh bugger !!"
Never heard that she had gone that far Rag
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 06:09 AM

One solution to the likely food-shortages after a No-Deal Brexit...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 06:04 AM

Oh bugger !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 05:57 AM

"With regard to the Irish boarder apparently "
Theer were all sorts of rumours about a neighbour and her Irish boarder when I lived in Kirkby - I was too young to understand what they were about :-)
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Sep 19 - 05:55 AM

If he sends two contradictory letters he'll be in just as much trouble as if he hadn't sent a letter at all.


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