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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Steve Shaw 31 Mar 19 - 04:21 PM
Dave the Gnome 31 Mar 19 - 12:01 PM
Backwoodsman 31 Mar 19 - 11:38 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 08:26 AM
DMcG 31 Mar 19 - 08:07 AM
Backwoodsman 31 Mar 19 - 07:31 AM
Dave the Gnome 31 Mar 19 - 07:20 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 07:17 AM
Steve Shaw 31 Mar 19 - 07:13 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 06:08 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 05:07 AM
Iains 31 Mar 19 - 04:34 AM
DMcG 31 Mar 19 - 04:26 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 04:21 PM

I wasn't saying that Labour carry any responsibility for the farce. They (we) don't. But there has been a long-standing suspicion that Jeremy is a closet leaver who has refused to speak up for the overwhelming majority of party members who voted remain. He's made it harder for us to make the argument. Just because a large number of Labour constituencies came out for leave, it doesn't absolve him from making the case for what would be in the country's best interests, which all but the terminally insane know is for this country to remain a member of the EU. Certainly his softer brexit would be better than May's deal, but it still isn't good enough. I don't want to see political vote-saving compromises. I want to see an honest case being made for what is best for the country, and he's run scared of doing that. I'm disappointed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 12:01 PM

I hope you are right DMcG. Only time will tell but my money is currently on Corbyn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 11:38 AM

"I may be changing my mind about how well Labour are playing this. The Gateshead speech where Corbyn was emphasising all the other things that matter apart from Brexit is not a bad foundation for a potential manifesto. That the Tories own the chaos of Brexit and Labour is focusing on job security, education, the NHS and other bread-and-butter issues could be a good position to be in."

Right on the nail, DMcG. Couldn't agree more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 08:26 AM

"I may be changing my mind about how well Labour are playing this."
I said some time ago that Corbyn was either attempting to appease his own Brexiteers to keep his supporters on top or was dithering - my continuing faith in him depended on which was
My hope is that you are right - we don't want another Tory party that calls itself 'Labour'
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 08:07 AM

I may be changing my mind about how well Labour are playing this. The Gateshead speech where Corbyn was emphasising all the other things that matter apart from Brexit is not a bad foundation for a potential manifesto. That the Tories own the chaos of Brexit and Labour is focusing on job security, education, the NHS and other bread-and-butter issues could be a good position to be in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 07:31 AM

"It can hardly be said that Labour are playing a blinder in all this."

'All this' is the result of Conservatives, beginning with CaMoron, and ending with the bunch of scrotes in charge now, putting party before country.

They started it, they've kept everyone else out so that they could have it all their own way, so they should be left to deal alone with the results of their ill-deeds. The Labour Party should steer well clear of having any involvement whatsoever in this cataclysmic balls-up, as should all the other parties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 07:20 AM

"We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."

― Konstantin Josef Jireček


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 07:17 AM

Just put it up on the other thread
The Sunday Times has erported that not only is Parliament unable to agree on a way forward but the splits in the Cabinet make it totally unable to act as a Governing body
Next step - send in the army to Govern Britain
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 07:13 AM

It seems that this disaster of a prime minister is trying again to bully her deal through, this time by insinuating that she might call an election if she doesn't succeed. Well that'll be another Commons vote she'll lose if she tries that one on. She needs a two-thirds majority before she can call an election. Labour may say yes but a huge wodge of Tories and the breakaway group will say no. I think an election would be a terrible idea. Assuming that it would happen during a longer extension, it would be fought on a single issue. Both major parties' hands would be tied in the campaign for fear of alienating the public via any sniff of a suggestion that "democracy is being betrayed" or " the will of the people is being ignored." It would quite likely give us another hung parliament and, worse still, as far as brexit is concerned we'd be back to square one. I think the Labour leadership know this, and have only been bellyaching for an election from the luxurious position of knowing that she can't or won't call one. It can hardly be said that Labour are playing a blinder in all this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 06:08 AM

An outbreak of racism by a Brexit supporter denying that racism has anything to do with Brexit - you couldn't make it up !!!
Someone needs to tell Robinson or Farage that their plant needs watering
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 05:07 AM

A racist outed already and I've not had breakfast yet
It's gonna be a great day
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 04:34 AM

Surely the most dangerous aspect of this whole dirty business is that it was pushed though on a single issue - control of immigration

I am sure we would all like to see some proof to substantiate such an absurd statement. More once upon a time nonsense

Scum like this pair need to be taken out of this debate -

scum definition: 1. a layer of unpleasant or unwanted material that has formed on the top of a liquid:

The sort of thing you find floating on top of a bog. Now what does that remind me of?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 04:26 AM

Channel 4 has had to apologise because Jon Snow remarked that the pro-Brexit demonstrations that he had ‘never seen so many white people.' The channel clarified in its apology that "Jon has covered major events such as this over a long career and this was a spontaneous comment reflecting his observation that in a London demonstration of that size, ethnic minorities seemed to be significantly under-represented."

It will be interesting to see if the charge of under-representation is challenged in its turn. I would guess not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 04:11 AM

"The one thing the general public is absolutely clear about is that most want he media to stop talking about Brexit all the time."
Surely the most dangerous aspect of this whole dirty business is that it was pushed though on a single issue - control of immigration
If the subject is re-voted on without open discussion on all the aspects of leaving the public will be no clearer than they are now - an extremely dangerous position to be in
It is very significant that two of the main speakers at Friday's protest demonstration were Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson and several of the demonstrators, when asked where they got their information from replied, from Robinson's website
Scum like this pair need to be taken out of this debate - both have infringed British law in spirit - one has been prosecuted for doing so
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 03:00 AM

I'll put that a different way. The one thing the general public is absolutely clear about is that most want he media to stop talking about Brexit all the time. Only revocation achieves this. (OK, it may take a month or two to fall off the news but not years or decades like either deal or no-deal)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 02:53 AM

That is an interesting set of poll results. I can't find the details but looking at other polls the margin of error is around 2% for other sky polls, so the option of revoking is well within shouting distance of continuing with either a deal or no-deal. The very large unknowns makes thie actual wishes indecipherable.

. I believe it would be perfectly possible to get a huge vote in favour of revocation by preceding the survey with an accurate statement like this:

We are nearing completion of the first phase of the Brexit negotiations, the withdrawal agreement. The next phase will involve negotiating our continuing relationship with the EU and other countries. Such negotiations have typically taken seven years or more, and will be unavoidable for either deal or no-deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 02:48 AM

What has become totally clear from the latest statements by politicians is that they are putting into place a plan that if/when Britain leaves the EU, everything that will inevitably go wrong will be put squarely at the feet of the General public "We only did what you told us to do"
Of course they will take the credit if things aren't as bad as is predicted.
The constant claim that the only democratic thing is to go plunging over the cliff - "the people's choice" has become a solid part of the creation of that 'Get out of Jail Free' card'
The people will not only be the victims of this lemming-leap, but the cause of it
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 06:40 PM

Results for: Do you think parliament should accept or reject the proposal that the UK revokes Article 50 and remains in the EU?
Fieldwork end date
Pollster        27 March 2019
Poll by Sky Data
Accept        37%
Reject               41%
Don't know        22%


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 06:19 PM

So it appears that Teresa May wants a forth bite of the cherry, despite her 'deal' having been suffered the largest defeat in the history of Parliament.

I am sure I am not alone in finding this more than a little incongruous when she will not allow the public even a second bite at the cherry.

Yet another example of one law for us and another for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 05:54 PM

There is a story in the Guardian that sounds like could reach a new crescendo in absurdity, naturally going back to Cameron. It seems like one of May's ideas is to call a snap election to prevent a no deal. But to do that she needs a two-thirds majority in the house and there are sufficient no-deals to make that very risky, since they would far rather stay in government with a Brexiteer at the helm. Why risk a Corbyn government ?

So her only option would be to call a no confidence vote in herself and her own government since that only requires a simple majority, not a two-thirds one. When she call it, to maximise the chances of losing (ie getting what she wants) she and her loyalists would have to declare themselves incompitent. But since the rest of the Tories would still not want to risk losing their seat she could even lose that.

And so we end up with the same PM and government even though she and many of them say they are incompetent....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 05:09 PM

The leftards response to Dominic Grieve being held to account by his constituency party as exemplified by Phil Wilson who said the vote was "ridiculous", adding: "I'm not of the same politics as Grieve but to deselect him as a Conservative candidate is to diminish politics, see an end to political integrity and deprive politics of a sincere and thoughtful practitioner."

Grieve’s arrogance was that he thought he could shift from promising his members – in writing – that he would respect the outcome of the referendum, to leading the efforts to thwart Brexit, without cost. Breaking your word to voters, particularly the ones who get out the vote for you, is risky.

or as another wit says:Dominic Grieve said in the Commons a few days ago he had never been so ashamed to be a Tory.

Last night, his local Conservative party voted that they were ashamed to have Dominic Grieve as their MP.

Should be the quickest case ever through the divorce courts if both sides are that fed up with one another !!


Douglas Carswell states it very well:

“If Dom Grieve is a brilliant MP like other MPs are claiming, he’d have no qualms about calling a snap by election and getting a mandate directly from his electorate. You’ve only got to put it like that to realise that he’s just another safe seat MP with tenure."

It begins to look as though we have an entire party(/parliament) that believes it can sit in "tenure".
If nothing else, the Brexit vote has exposed this perilous state, and it can’t be sustained.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 01:23 PM

"I know it is hard to admit that some people are not wholly driven by self-interest, but they do exist."
You can immediately spot the self interest crowd by whether or not they are likely to lose money out of the move - most of us are, those in the position to, like Dyson and Rees Mogg can push Brexit through and do a runner with teir investments - as both have

I always find it fascinating why Brexiteers refuse to respond to this fact (I refuse to believe all of them are lemmings by instinct)
Another fact being studiously ignored

The leaver's policy has now become perfectly clear - leave whatever the consequences and when the shit starts flying, blame the people for making the wrong decision


IGNORE THE FACTS AND BLAME THE PEOPLE POLICY
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 04:31 AM

No, there are plenty throughout history and quite a few I have known personally.

I have told a story before in other contexts about one of my supervisors who was offered a position as general manager of a company, which was a very significant promotion. The offer included a copy of the assessment criteria so he went through it answering them not as he felt, but giving what he believed the answers they would most want, then looked at them and said to himself "Is that the sort of person I want to be?" He decided it wasn't, so turned it down without formally applying.

I find that admirable, whether or not I think he would have made an excellent general manager (which he would have, in my opinion.) I regret 'the waste' of his talent, but not his determination to be true to his own standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 04:02 AM

But only when they agree with you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 03:56 AM

Remain MP Dominic Grieve suffers no confidence vote from his local constituency party

Dominic Grieve has shown himself to be a very measured and thoughtful MP. I am 100% certain he considered that he might be deselected and acted as he did fully aware of that possibility.

I know it is hard to admit that some people are not wholly driven by self-interest, but they do exist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 03:42 AM

The game is far from over. First the House has to agree on something, then they have to find a way of getting the PM to put that forward. Suppose, for the sake of argument they agree on some form of customs union. Teresa May takes that back to the EU and says that is the will of the House, and the EU grants a year's extension. May resigns and let's say Rabb becomes PM.

So we move from what Leavers claim is a Remainer trying to negotiate Leave, to a hard line ERG PM trying to negotiate a close union. I can see that working well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 03:34 AM

Remain MP Dominic Grieve suffers no confidence vote from his local constituency party.
Colleagues of the Conservative MP and former minister have branded the vote in his constituency as "disgraceful". The more sensible would see it as a payback.
I wonder how many others face de-selection on both sides of the house. Treachery brings it's own rewards!
Now the real battle begins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Mar 19 - 02:23 AM

"...and Jim didn't get my joke... :-("
Sorry 'bout that Steve
I was indulging in a large celebratory glug of English beer which, unfortunately, can only be got in bottles here - god - how I miss Young's Ordinary !!!
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 06:02 PM

...and Jim didn't get my joke... :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 06:00 PM

*GLUG*


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 05:58 PM

It's 11pm in three minutes. I'm indulging in a very large celebratory glug of EU wine at that instant...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 05:16 PM

Well, at least there's a bit of good news about Brexit - we didn't leave today the way the BrexShit-lemmings had hoped. With any luck, sanity will prevail and the whole lunatic escapade will be kicked into touch for good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 03:08 PM

So, a poorly understood plebiscite, a rotten decision, an amazing amount of obfuscation all round, there is no walking away from the brink?

That plank gotta be walked?

That bitter pill gotta be swallowed?

That last chord gotta be played even when the string is broke?

That last bit of programming gotta be included in the final product even though the commenting was unclear, the subroutine was written by that weird kid with the actual safety pin in his cheek, and the beta test indicated that many users were showing an inclination to take the DVD installment disk and use it a a frisbee for the dog?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 03:03 PM

"Her deal was a load of b***llo**cks, Jim. Total sh***te."
Of course it was - why should it be any different from everything connected with this catastrophe ?
As bad as it was, the alternatives are far, far worse, to Britain and to Ireland
Britain has been shedding bompanies faster than a stripper shrows her knickers into the crowd - even financial backers of Brexit are rapily moving their businesses elsewhere
One of the most persistent maritime superstitions is that of rats leaving a sinking ship
The people who are re-siting their businesses are in a win-win situation - they still profit from Britain while pouring their profits into other counties - as usual, it's us that will take the brunt of this farce - we are now - promoted to road-crash dummies
Ireland stands to have its businesses badly damaged, but most worrying, if Britain crashes out without a deal there is a serious risk that decades of negotiation to reach peace will be flushed down the pan
I have not time for any form of capitalism, but I'd rather see the world freed from it out of choice rather than necessity brought about by war and want
Despite al the EU's undeniable flaws Id rather try then that the alternative
Ther same goes fro May, by the way - would you want your daughter to bring Boris Johnson home ?
Frigged if I would
At least May recognises the dangers of crashing out "Put-Your Money-Elswhere Quickly" Moggie sees only the personal profits in leaving Europe - sod the sinking ship and all who sink in her
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 02:36 PM

"A second EU Referendum would be undemocratic", said the PM who brought her 'Deal' back to Parliament to be voted on three times, and is now threatening to bring it back for a fourth vote next week!

What was that thing the Brexshitters were saying about 're-running the vote until you get the result you want'?

Sauce, goose, gander.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 02:15 PM

Her deal was a load of b***llo**cks, Jim. Total sh***te.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 01:28 PM

May's proposals kicked into touch again
You really couldn't make this up
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 12:58 PM

"Too many **s for that. "
Don't forget the sender is innumerate as well as illiterate

Iains
You have been a serial abuser since you joined this forum - the pathetic number of responses to your abuse are - well - pathetic


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 12:16 PM

Or do I mean an axle, Dave?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 12:14 PM

It's not just you, Jim. Copy everything before sending.

By the way, Jim, "a**s" can't just be "arse" with the 'e' missing. Too many **s for that. Unless it's the Scottish pronunciation in which you roll your 'r's, in which case you could conceivably spell it "arrse." But it's more commonly rendered "erse" or "errse" in my experience.

Roll your 'r's? Roll your arse?? God, I'm confused...

Dave, you can even roll an axis...

And I note the the Commons has just given Theresa a well-deserved kick up the 'arris...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 09:36 AM

Bad luck around here
I' having an appalling internet posting problem at present - not sure if it's this forum or a local speed problem
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 08:50 AM

3 times is the charm


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 08:23 AM

Great street scene before Parliament today of extremist Brexiteers like Lord Snooty admitting that even if they vote for any of the proposals todaythey don't agree the terms they will be supporting
Utterly insane national suicide which will only please the worst of the narrow-minded keep-'em-outers
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 08:23 AM

Great street scene before Parliament today of extremist Brexiteers like Lord Snooty admitting that even if they vote for any of the proposals todaythey don't agree the terms they will be supporting
Utterly insane national suicide which will only please the worst of the narrow-minded keep-'em-outers
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 08:04 AM

Well, happy Brexit Day #1...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 07:37 AM

Twitter's a gold mine for entertainment. Fave Brexit tweet so far:

Brexit is a terrible name for it. Sounds like cereal you eat when you're constipated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 07:19 AM

"Nice to see you BTW."
Never went far Dave - why waste a good forum with light entertainment such as this over a few bad experiences ?
You'd have to pay a great deal to get into a circus that offers clowns as entertaining as this one
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 06:58 AM

I think it was a general question, Jim. No-one who wants to keep their sanity interacts with him any more.

Nice to see you BTW.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 06:47 AM

1300! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 06:10 AM

Obviously I hate Murdoch and The Sun (especially as a Liverpool fan), but if I may be allowed a moment of levity deep in this vale of tears I'd like to draw attention to today's Sun front page, which, referring to "Brexy's Midnight Runners," follows with the headline COME ON ARLENE


(Seen online, by the way. I'd rather hack off my gonads with a rusty machete than pay money for that despicable rag, but I've gotta applaud that headline writer).


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