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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

DMcG 04 Sep 19 - 01:41 AM
Backwoodsman 04 Sep 19 - 01:40 AM
DMcG 03 Sep 19 - 06:22 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 06:14 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Sep 19 - 05:58 PM
Iains 03 Sep 19 - 05:53 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 05:49 PM
Backwoodsman 03 Sep 19 - 05:48 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 05:39 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Sep 19 - 05:22 PM
Raggytash 03 Sep 19 - 05:16 PM
Stanron 03 Sep 19 - 05:08 PM
Backwoodsman 03 Sep 19 - 04:56 PM
Iains 03 Sep 19 - 04:43 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 04:31 PM
Stanron 03 Sep 19 - 03:52 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 03:38 PM
Iains 03 Sep 19 - 02:06 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Sep 19 - 01:17 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Sep 19 - 12:44 PM
peteaberdeen 03 Sep 19 - 12:22 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Sep 19 - 11:29 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 11:28 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Sep 19 - 11:21 AM
Iains 03 Sep 19 - 11:15 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Sep 19 - 08:12 AM
Iains 03 Sep 19 - 06:33 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 06:12 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Sep 19 - 06:12 AM
DMcG 03 Sep 19 - 06:00 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 05:56 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Sep 19 - 05:55 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 05:54 AM
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Iains 03 Sep 19 - 05:41 AM
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Steve Shaw 03 Sep 19 - 04:43 AM
DMcG 03 Sep 19 - 03:56 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Sep 19 - 02:37 AM
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Dave the Gnome 02 Sep 19 - 06:44 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Sep 19 - 01:41 AM

It has just struck me that the very weakness Johnson is now experiencing makes the DUP far less relevant, which in its turn opens up a border in the Irish Sea as a possible solution,. NI could stay permanently aligned to EU regulations, which solves the border issues, which solves Parliaments objections to the backstop. The EU is happy, NI voted remain anyway, so at least significant sections of it are happy, the Tory party might be happy - though much of the ERG as saying the backstop was not their only objection - and potentially the PM gets his deal by Oct 31.


Plenty of scope for failing in that, but it is a route we did not have before.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Sep 19 - 01:40 AM

Perhaps the truth is beginning to dawn that Johnson and Dom & Dommer are nothing more than a pair of chancers, and that bluster and cunning are not the same thing as statesmanship and intelligence?

‘Dom & Dommer’.....hmmm, I like that! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 06:22 PM

And we might find proroguing Parliament limits PM Johnson's options.

Given how today and perhaps tomorrow goes, I wonder if Cummings will be masterminding the Tory election when it eventually comes - hopefully, well after the end of October.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 06:14 PM

Ironic, innit, that the very silly Fixed Term Parliaments Act brought in by Cameron has nobbled Bozza. Ha bloody ha!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:58 PM

Good to see real parliamentary democracy in action. Our elected representatives voting by a huge majority to do what is best for the nation.

Certainly beats a pair of unelected populists trying to subvert legal challenges to their attempted dictatorship.

And good on Jezza saying that an extension must be agreed before even considering going to the polls. I hope he means it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:53 PM

For any over the pond, dipping in to test the waters, the clip below is a wonderful Aussie summary of Brexit. Clear and concise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hMQF06rGR0

No surprises on the vote in Parliament. A partisan speaker frustrating the clearly stated will of the majority, aided by MPs that voted to give the decision to the people and have since reneged.

The water is wide(in the swamp)...............I can't cross over....

But no doubt Boris and Farage will construct a cunning boat to enable us to reach the other side wherein lies our sovereignty


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:49 PM

"As a group you seem incapable of conducting civil discussions with people with whom you disagree. As soon as you disagree you become abusive."

Your blinkers are absolutely staggering. I need hardly point you to the posts of your numero uno right-wing ally on this board. Or, perhaps like me, you don't read his posts. I wouldn't blame you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:48 PM

Stanron, my post was a perfectly civil explanation of my reasons for referring to Leavers as ‘Brexshitters’. You either accept it or not, I really don’t care either way.

However, it’s very significant that you continue to rattle on about civility, or lack of it, amongst Remainers, yet you offer no comment whatsoever about your fellow-Brexiteers habit of issuing death-threats against those with whom they disagree. There seems to be something seriously adrift in your perception of morality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:39 PM

Bloody sight bigger majority than I expected. Grand. But the comedy continueth. The Tory "rebels", who were supposed to have had the whip removed this very evening, have been given "a second chance." They have to "reconsider overnight" and decide to vote with Bozza tomorrow. Government by confounded idiot or what!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:22 PM

JOHNSON’S ARSE KICKED


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:16 PM

Step one successful!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:08 PM

Backwoodsman wrote: To quote a phrase much-loved by BrexShitters, Get Over It.
I used the word 'you' in a general sense, a cover term for all UK Lefties on this forum. As a group you seem incapable of conducting civil discussions with people with whom you disagree. As soon as you disagree you become abusive. I asked if you could see yourselvews as others see you. I'm not surprised that the answer is no.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 04:56 PM

”What seems funny to me is that you are guilty of those things you accuse. It's as if 'Brexshitter' isn't pejorative, as if 'Little Englander' isn't pejorative and as if 'Troll' isn't pejorative. I wonder if you'll ever see yourselves as others see you.”

Stan, I’m the guy who has referred to Leavers as ‘Brexshitters’.

I’ve never seen or heard any Remainer tell a Leaver that he is a “Traitor who should be arrested, marched out, and shot for treason”, but I’ve seen it dozens of times said by Leavers to Remainers - it’s been said to me on at least half a dozen occasions, and on social media where my true identity and the town I live in are known.

As long as Leavers feel it’s OK to make death-threats against Remainers, I feel no guilt whatsoever when I call a Leaver a BrexShitter. Brexit is shit, ergo a Brexit supporter is a BrexShitter.

To quote a phrase much-loved by BrexShitters, Get Over It.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 04:43 PM

Interesting how the "rebels" label has stuck.......

In normal circumstances you would be correct, but as Parliament voted for the decision to be given back to the people by way of a referendum it is up to parliament to honour it. To say it is advisory means that parliament lied to the people. Mps have a mandate to govern only for so long as the people permit them.
In a democracy sovereignty always belongs to the people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 04:31 PM

I do not use the term "brexishitter." If I call someone "troll" it will never be for their political opinions, merely for their insulting and provocative forum behaviour. "Little Englander," if you are one, is a soubriquet you should take pride in. It means a patriot xenophobe. I'm a patriot myself as it happens. But I'm no xenophobe. You call us lefties. I wear that as a badge of pride. But I note that you don't take on the people on your side who call us (just because we disagree with them) remoaners or remainiacs. A bit partial, that attitude, innit, Stanron? If I were you, I'd drop this. Hiding to nothing and all that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 03:52 PM

Steve Shaw wrote: Funny how these terms gain currency, and how pejorative words tend to be embraced mainly by the right...
What seems funny to me is that you are guilty of those things you accuse. It's as if 'Brexshitter' isn't pejorative, as if 'Little Englander' isn't pejorative and as if 'Troll' isn't pejorative. I wonder if you'll ever see yourselves as others see you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 03:38 PM

Interesting how the "rebels" label has stuck. The overwhelming majority of parliamentarians who oppose no-deal are members of opposition parties. Their job in parliament is to hold the governing party (or coalition) to account and to challenge on matters they disagree with the administration on. You're not a rebel if you're not a Tory and disagree with the Tories. The only people who might deserve the soubriquet "rebel" are those few Tories (a couple of handfuls? We'll soon find out...) who might defy the whip. Funny how these terms gain currency, and how pejorative words tend to be embraced mainly by the right...

Just musing, y'know...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 02:06 PM

Today marks the anniversary of the death of the Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell.
He was a lad that knew how to sort out rebels, both in and outside Parliament.

I wonder how familiar 007 Cummings is with his game plans?

Will Boris make a 'shoe in' as a defender of Democracy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 01:17 PM

Scottish Legal appeal produce documents showing that Johnson had planned to prorogue Parliament weeks before he made his announcement
Murkier and murkier
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 12:44 PM

As an added bonus, when Johnson lost his majority, the pound went up on world markets :-)

From The London Economic

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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 12:22 PM

not too worried about tommy robinson's 'party' - he only got 2,000 votes in the european elections. failed even more spectucarly than NF - but of course the NSM-Frog has far more experience of losing elections. mind you - democracy was never of much interest to grubby little fascists or their supporters who hope to succeed by intimidating people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 11:29 AM

From Lee's resignnation speech:
"I have reached the conclusion that it is not possible to serve my constituents' and country’s best interests as a Conservative Member of Parliament," he said in a statement.
"This Conservative government is aggressively pursuing a damaging Brexit in unprincipled ways. It is putting lives and livelihoods at risk unnecessarily and it is wantonly endangering the integrity of the United Kingdom." Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 11:28 AM

Ha ha. Nice one, Jim!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 11:21 AM

Tidings of great Joy - the Tories no longer have a majority in Parliament
KALOO KALAY
Never mind - perhaps Johnson can sort things out with a £3bn bung to Tommy Robinson's party
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 11:15 AM

while we await the outcome of the machinations of the partisan speaker, an article to ruminate on sovereignty

When both parties agree to give the decision to the people trying to weasel out by labeling it advisory does not quite cut the mustard


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 08:12 AM

Philip Hammond says he is confident of blocking a hard entry, largely dute to Johnson's behaviour over the last few weeks
He accuses "incommers" like Dominic Cummings of infiltrating his his party to try to turn it into "something it is not"
Hope he is right - but either way, the Tory Party has hung itself out to dry; let's hope it hasn't done the same to Britain (teh UK's probably a thing of the past now)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 06:33 AM

"The LEGAL requirement to display GB stickers has always been the case driving in Ireland"
No it hasn't - stop being arrogantly stupid.

Oh Dear. Give it chapter and verse and still he argues.
Since 2001 many cars have a registration with the EU flag and country of origin inside on the left of the registration plate. Probably post brexit this will no longer be recognized and will require the old style adhesive sticker, and a green card.

These legal requiremens are very easy to check. Shouting does not give veracity.
The requirent has been in place for decades, it s not new. What is new is raising awareness of what I outlined above. SIMPLES

Anyway go and argue with a cabbage and let us get back to the circus that is parliament.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 06:12 AM

As the UK wants to form an ever-closer union with Trumpistan, I understand that we'll be changing to driving on the right. But to make it easier, Boris has edicted that the change will be made gradually...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 06:12 AM

"Jim..."
Sorry Steve - a lapse
I'll leave the "politically biased" moderators to sort it out
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 06:00 AM

Enjoy your trip and don't forget to drive on the right.

I had the opposite experience. Shortly after passing my test in the UK I went to the States and drove *a lot*. Came home, took my son to a piano lesson, then merrily turned onto the right to see a nice friendly bus approaching me ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:56 AM

Jim...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:55 AM

"The LEGAL requirement to display GB stickers has always been the case driving in Ireland"
No it hasn't - stop being arrogantly stupid
I live here - you lurk in the shadows and refuse to reveal even your identity, never ming where you will

For christs sake, will somebody stop this wrecker
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:54 AM

Make sure you have your fold-up warning triangle and headlight deflectors. Oh, and you need spare specs in Spain. Enjoy your trip and don't forget to drive on the right. My very first experience of the latter was when I drove off the ferry at Santander, to be immediately confronted with a huge and complex roundabout. The Spanish drivers were very forgiving that time...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:50 AM

Our sovereignty arises from the fact that we get to elect our MPs every few years. There's no "sovereignty of the people" arising from advisory referendums. If it's advisory, sovereignty remains in the hands of parliament. If I get cirrhosis and my doctor advises me to give up boozing, no matter how strong and how peppered the advice is with dire threats about refusals to give me a liver transplant, etc, my subsequent decision to nip to Sainsbury's to stock up on 25% off six is entirely legal and entirely mine. I retain sovereignty. There's no sovereignty of the doctor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:41 AM

"We have never at any time needed either EU or GB plates - it is certainly not a "legal requirement" (though English number plates were once very handy at one time if you wanted to avoid being breathalysed")

The LEGAL requirement to display GB stickers has always been the case driving in Ireland

Just like the requirement to change a uk license to an Irish one within 100 days of taking up domicile it has not been enforced.

If you checked your facts there would be far less strife on this forum.
Your bombastic lies do nothing to carry a discussion forward.

RAC website
If you're driving in Ireland, your checklist requirements are:

    A valid UK driving licence.
    A GB sticker on the back of your car – unless your car has 'Euro-plates' (number-plates that show a circle of 12 stars on a blue background).
    Your motor insurance certificate.

The black country letters on a circular white back ground (a European custom) became an international requirement in many countries after the U.N.’s Geneva Convention on Road Traffic (1949) and Vienna Convention on Road Traffic (1968). It was agreed upon that a distinguishing sign of the country of registration had to be displayed on the rear of the vehicle. It also stipulated that the sign could either be placed separately from the registration plate or could be incorporated into the vehicle’s number plate and if the international registration letter was incorporated into the licence plate, it also had to appear on the front number plate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:28 AM

Just when did the people of the UK gain the sovereignty that is being bandied about.

I was always of the impression that sovereignty lay with parliament.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:15 AM

Thanks, both. I did not see the GB sticker issue immediately, as I said. I became aware of it through articles like this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:11 AM

For information
We have lived in Ireland for twenty years and have been visiting here regularly since the beginning of the 1970s
We have never at any time needed either EU or GB plates - it is certainly not a "legal requirement" (though English number plates were once very handy at one time if you wanted to avoid being breathalysed)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:07 AM

Justine Greening has jumped ship. Stand as an independent in Putney, Justine. Let's see a good number of "moderate" Tories doing that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 04:58 AM

For information only, not a debating point: if your registration plate has that little EU circle of stars with your country's identifier, you don't need a GB sticker at all. You will after a no-deal brexit. DMcG's point is very valid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 04:47 AM

"all UK registered cars in EU countries will have to have a GB sticker."

This legal requirement has been in place for decades and has never been rescinded.
So your point is?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 04:43 AM

I watched that Newsnight too. Intriguing. If the opposition legislation succeeds, Johnson will undoubtedly want a snap election which he will use to declare that he's the only leader who wants to carry out his Brexit promise, "will of the people" and all that guff. It would be a lie, because he'd no longer be able to carry it out, but he'd have to keep the Brexit party at bay. Whilst I'm far from convinced that he'll get an overall majority, I think it would be too risky for Labour to give him the election. Corbyn would have to frame the refusal in such a way as to say that I'll give you an election once Brexit is resolved. Corbyn might look foolish for refusing an election (or postponing his consent) he's been calling for for a long time, but Johnson will also look foolish when he fails to get Brexit through by 31 October - and he'd have Farage snapping at his heels. Snooker him, Jeremy. Europe has long had the benign effect of bringing Tory leaders crashing down. Long may the tradition continue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 03:56 AM

Just reading about a potential flame that has been started in Northern Ireland that I freely admit had not crossed my mind. It seems the 'Get Ready' site explains that all UK registered cars in EU countries will have to have a GB sticker.

It does not need more than a few moments thought to realise how inflammatory that could be for Republican supporters in Northern Ireland. The genius of the Good Friday Agreement lies in the way differences between the two sides are de-emphasised wherever possible. And then we introduce a bureaucratic rule which requires people to identify as the group they are not - not everyone can afford to change their car to buy one registered elsewhere, or adds another means for the Loyalists to proclaim they are wedded to the mainland.   And if people do buy cars registered elsewhere so they do not need the GB sticker, it becomes an even more potent symbol.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 02:37 AM

"He will prevent them from standing for parliament as Conservative candidates"
He has overstepped his authority to create a Conservative Party in his own image - isn't that what Stalin did. or doesn't it matter to you as a conservative ?
Once a national leader is allowed to get away with that, a Government becomes a monolithing dictatorship with everything that goes with it.
That is what you and yours have accused Corbyn of doing - yet he had made a point of taking the membership with him
Corbyn is a popular (of the (Labour) people) leader) - yours is one who has been appointed by the top echelons of your party and who is now culling those who oppose him and threatening to do the same throughout your whole party
If that doesn't bother you than you'd better get word perfect in singing from your fuehrer's hymn sheet - but please don't try and impose your nodding-dogism on the rest of the country
Johnson is a mindless clown who is happy to act as a poodle to the world's most dangerous mindless degenerate leader
How dare you people allow him to ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 02:01 AM

Newsnight last night was interesting. While no one was quite counting chickens, the working assumption was that legislation would be passed today obliging the Government to bring back a deal or ask for another extension. Two Labour speakers said it would not support a "no-confidence" motion if Johnson brings one forward. I sincerely hope they are right. The panel of pundits all agreed that that would put the Government in an exceptionally difficult position and unless Cummings really is a genius and has some plan they couldn't see, the Government is snookered. It would actually have to do what it has been blustering away about and come up with a deal or go past 31 October.

It is looking like those famous clocks that Mr Johnson had ticking down to Brexit day may have been set wrongly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Sep 19 - 06:44 PM

From Terry Chritian - Journalist, presenter and Professional Mancunian!

Lets say we brexit on 31 st
October. Can any leave voters tell
what problems in their lives will
now be solved ? How will having
left the EU improve life for you and
your family ? What is the 1 st thing
you're hoping our govt does that
the EU were preventing it from
doing ?


Anyone care to answer that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Sep 19 - 06:13 PM

Interesting my earlier post was deleted. Yet the insult it was addressing From: Jim Carroll - PM Date: 02 Sep 19 - 01:20 PM is allowed to remain.

More political moderation on mudcat?

Of course it does not alter the fact that the shouty minority on here lost the referendum.

All insults from the left remain, structured rebuttals from the right are deleted. why is that I wonder?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Sep 19 - 05:32 PM

The best forecast for brexit so far is the end of October, assuming the people's sovereignty is nor usurped by renegades yet again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Sep 19 - 05:27 PM

But I'm so glad that you found ME to be accurate, Nige. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Sep 19 - 05:17 PM

I think everyone understood what Jim meant, Nigel. Not everyone needs everything spelling out.

Found any good forecasts about brexit yet?


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