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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

McGrath of Harlow 22 Mar 19 - 08:04 AM
Backwoodsman 22 Mar 19 - 06:58 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 22 Mar 19 - 06:51 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 19 - 06:26 AM
Donuel 22 Mar 19 - 05:55 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 19 - 04:50 AM
Backwoodsman 22 Mar 19 - 04:11 AM
DMcG 22 Mar 19 - 03:52 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Mar 19 - 03:29 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 19 - 03:15 AM
DMcG 22 Mar 19 - 03:07 AM
Iains 22 Mar 19 - 03:01 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 19 - 02:53 AM
KarenH 22 Mar 19 - 01:32 AM
robomatic 21 Mar 19 - 09:58 PM
Donuel 21 Mar 19 - 07:55 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 19 - 06:44 PM
DMcG 21 Mar 19 - 06:38 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 08:04 AM

MPs should go for a vote of censure against Theresa May. It would be a very fair response to her attack on them on Wednesday.

Those who detest her on the Tory benches won't vote for a no confidence motion because they are running scared of triggering the Fixed Term Act. But a personal vote of censure wouldn't risk that, since it wouldn't have the magic words required in the act. But with an overwhelming vote of censure from across the house even with her trying to hang on to her office it would be very questionable constitutionally.
........

Isn't it a bit daft using the term "Meaningfull Votes" for votes that are ignored by the government, and are as meaningless as could be?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 06:58 AM

Amen to all of that, BS.

What a Poile o'Shoite this once proud nation has been dumped into by 17.4 million thick-tards and a clueless, arrogant, obstinate opportunist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 06:51 AM

Rafael Behr socks it to May:

From The EU knows it, so do our own MPs: Theresa May is finished

Continental leaders have granted an article 50 extension, but not the one requested by the prime minister... Does May like this plan? It doesn’t matter. She wasn’t in the room where it happened. The summit conclusions were handed down to the petitioning nation as it paced around an antechamber. This is the power relationship between a “third country” and the EU. Britain had better get used to it.

The terms of the extension are not drafted for the prime minister’s benefit. They contain a message from the EU direct to the House of Commons. In crude terms: piss or get off the pot. If you want to leave with a deal, vote for the damned deal. If you are foolish enough to leave without a deal, do not blame us. Have a couple more weeks to think about it. But if you want something else, a referendum or a softer Brexit, work it out soon. And then send someone who isn’t May to talk to us about it.

The point of no return was the summit in Salzburg last September. May was invited to make the case for what was left of her “Chequers plan”... and instead of speaking candidly, persuasively, passionately or even just coherently, the British prime minister read mechanically from a text that was, in substance, no different from an op-ed article already published under her name in a German newspaper that morning. It was embarrassing and insulting. Many European diplomats say that was the moment when Angela Merkel, Emmanuel Macron and others realised they were dealing with someone out of her depth, unable to perform at the level required for the job...

A similar story is emerging from last night’s summit. May was asked about backup plans in the event that parliament rejects her deal a third time. She had nothing. She restated her determination that the deal should pass. This infuriating obtuseness is grimly familiar on this side of the Channel...

On Wednesday night... the prime minister went on television to berate MPs for obstructing her deal. The spirit was demagogic, even if the style was typically charmless. Here was a besieged leader, emerging from her bunker, presenting herself as the champion of her people against a rotten parliament. This did not go down well with MPs... [It didn't go down well with the public either - whom she tried to rope in as being allied with her stance. I have never been so instantly, totally, utterly, reduced to incoherent rage by a pronoun in my life. - BS]

Wednesday night’s performance exposed something that many of May’s colleagues find uncomfortable to acknowledge: ...a single fatal flaw. She is unable to communicate with others because she... lacks the introspection necessary to take responsibility for the mess made by her obstinacy. She has crossed a line from stubbornness into megalomania.

That leads to a conclusion that Britain’s continental neighbours reached long ago. Even if the UK ends up leaving the EU on the terms outlined in the prime minister’s deal, her part in the story will very soon be over. She is finished. The problems with Brexit are much bigger than Theresa May’s failings as a leader. But those failings disqualify her from being part of a viable solution.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/22/eu-mps-theresa-may-finished-brexit


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 06:26 AM

"But Jim your bed is against the wall?!"
Shit - that's where the headache came from !
Must make sure I make different sleeping arrangements next time I quiz a woman (an obscure folkie joke - but quite clever, even if I say so myself)
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 05:55 AM

But Jim your bed is against the wall?!

Well UK, you will always have May
to sing and dance and play
but a very hard Brexit
will likely condemn it
to turn all your blue skies to grey


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 04:50 AM

Lesson learned - got up the wrong side of the bed
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 04:11 AM

Jim - From Mudcat FAQs. You might like to read, mark, learn, and inwardly digest...then do as suggested here and elsewhere, Don't. Feed. The. Troll.

"Dealing With Flamers and Trolls

Here are some definitions from Netlingo.com:
flame
To send nasty or insulting messages, usually in response to someone's having broken the rules of netiquette.
flame bait
An intentionally inflammatory posting in a newsgroup or discussion group designed to elicit a strong reaction thereby creating a flame war.
flame war
When an online discussion degenerates into a series of personal attacks against the debators, rather than discussion of their positions. A heated exchange.
"Troll" is a bit more subtle, and I had a harder time finding it. Here's what I found in the Jargon Dictionary:
troll v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.
Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.

I have to say that I have become a bit cynical about people who make a big show of leaving the Mudcat because of flamers - many of these people might warrant the title of "trolls." The people who attract flamers are often quite obnoxious themselves, especially those who leave with a long farewell message that usually generates a hundred "don't go" responses or more. I am concerned about those who quietly slip away, or those who never even start to participate because of the nastiness. Those who make a show of making martyrs of themselves are every bit as bad as the flamers, I think. They prey on the sympathy of good people.

I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it many times more: the best way to deal with both flamers and trolls is to ignore them. Give them silence, and they'll go away. They feed on attention - don't give it to them.

There is another problem that occasionally arises here - people who are threatening in their behavior. It is of utmost importance that you do not try to deal with these people. If you ignore them totally and inform Joe Offer or Big Mick about them quietly with a personal message or e-mail, we can quietly make them disappear (to an extent).
PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE YOURSELVES?

If people seem dangerous, LEAVE THEM ALONE."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 03:52 AM

robomatic wrote Did I understand the news today that Europe assented to the requested time extension? Who rules what the official Brexit departure date should be anyway?

Not quite, robo. The EU agreed to an extension but not the one requested. As to who rules the date, because it is a joint treaty, it is quite complicated. The EU has offered a date, but it is not legally binding on the UK because they have not formally accepted it. Last night Teresa May agreed to it, which in effect makes it government policy, but in law nothing has changed, to use her favourite phrase. It is not until Parliament formally accepts the offer and amends the law that that happens. Parliament could in principle do that now, but in practise will almost certainly wait until after MV3 because that enables them to accept one of the two alternative dates rather than have to build the alternative dates with their conditionality into the law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 03:29 AM

Only you can do something, Jim. As suggested many times before, just ignore him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 03:15 AM

"If you bothered to follow the narrative you"
If oyu read what I wrote, you insecure ill-mannered moron, you would notice I didn't comment on the reasons for changing the date
You pollute every thread you post to with your childish nastiness - time to grow up
Can a mod please do something about tis appalling behavior please ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 03:07 AM

Re History: This was an amusing snippet amonst everything going on last night -
===
#HannanIrishHistory was trending after pro-Brexit Tory Mr Hannan used Ireland to make a point about the EU in a comment article.

In particular, he suggested Fianna Fail had won every Irish election between 1932 and 2008, when in fact the liberal-conservative party Fine Gael was in power on six occasions during the period.

When the accuracy of his article was questioned, Mr Hannan said "historians necessarily have different takes on the same event", adding: "Please try to accept that yours is not the only interpretation."
===

Another example of the unrelenting search for accuracy and understanding we have come to expect from some of the leading Brexiteers, like Hannon and "Dover" Raab.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 03:01 AM

They have cut the leaving time from June to the previous month I think - symbolic

If you bothered to follow the narrative you would realise that an extension until June necessitates the UK participating in the European elections.

They will offer entertainment in their own right without the UK adding further divisive icing on the cake.
Do try to keep up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 02:53 AM

"Did I understand the news today that Europe assented to the requested time extension?"
They have cut the leaving time from June to the previous month I think - symbolic, given the name of the head lemming leading Britain over the cliff
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 01:32 AM

Re history: this depends on who writes it. On the assumption that history decides that Brexit was a disaster, maybe it will blame the voters who wanted to come out of the EU? Or the British Empire, which appears to be the favoured target of a great deal of blame on these boards. Myself, I think William the Conqueror has to share much of the blame, together with the Ancient Romans, who, after all, foisted Christianity on the world, to the extent that a major sect is still based in their home base, running a close second. Or maybe the Celts, those dastardly incomers! They were Europeans too, of course!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 09:58 PM

Did I understand the news today that Europe assented to the requested time extension? Who rules what the official Brexit departure date should be anyway?

The whole affair is my go-to example of what FUBAR is all about.

A FUBAR is to a SNAFU as a Catastrophe is to a Disaster.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 07:55 PM

Happy May day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 06:44 PM

Gosh, Karen, just eat lots of popcorn and you'll get a "clean break." Failing that, find a grassy slope in a quiet spot to slide down legs akimbo, slightly damp if possible. A second slide down a clean bit leaves one spotless. I promise not to watch. Exhilarating, I promise, and I'm an expert, though I'll not disclose my locations. There's always a way. Other no-deal advice available, for a small fee, of course. Preferably in euros.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 06:38 PM

A million signatures on the 'Revoke A50' petition a few minutes ago.
Around 900,000 of which have been since May's speech. I could see it passing 2 million before the weekend is out.


Well, I was wildly pessimistic about that. It is significantly over 2.1 million already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 06:31 PM

I note reports that suppliers are stockpiling toilet rolls in case of a no deal Brexit. I am old enough to remember lavs with squares of newspaper rammed on to a nail. If you scrunched up the newspaper, it softened it. This may be a helpful tip for youngsters in the event of a shortage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 05:26 PM

No, it was because I thought the mods might shut down an attempt to reopen a discussion they'd already shut down twice. Thanks, Maggie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 05:19 PM

Incidentally, Steve, is the thread title "Brexit #3: A futile gesture?" a particularly prescient comment on MV3?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 05:09 PM

I don't think blame and guilt add up in that way, Steve, but we will agree to differ, I hope.

I watched the first two Question Times under new management, but haven't since because I found it just wild shouting. However, I may face it this evening..


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 04:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL8TJsM86x0


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 04:29 PM

Nope. I'm a member of the Labour Party and no bugger presiding over this shambles is going to pass the buck to me, thank you very much. We are where we are because of the Tory disaster that's unfolded over at least three years. Her deal is a bloody rotten deal and must be discarded. Everything else to follow that is one hundred percent Tory blackmail. God, Question Time should be good tonight...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 02:56 PM

I agree we are 100% in this mess because of first Cameron and then May. There is no doubt of that. But if Labour are offered a chance to stop it and don't take it then they share the blame in my opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 02:52 PM

Nope. No spreading the blame, please. She is the prime minister and she has taken charge of all this, sidestepping Parliament whenever she can, keeping secrets and refusing to bend and acting at every single turn in the interests of her party, never the country, and letting her rabid backbenchers and a sorry sectarian bunch call all the shots, bungs no object. Opposition parties ultimately have no real power. Whatever happens in the near future, history will rightly put one hundred percent of the blame for this on the Tories, Cameron and May in particular. I've said it before and I'll say it again: there are no principled Tories. If you vote Tory you are either woefully ignorant or you are riddled with self-interest. Know the enemy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 02:24 PM

A method of stopping a no-deal is if a suitable amendment is made to MV3. One sure way of stopping that approach is to put in a series of different amendments where the 'arcane methods' of Parliament mean that, in many cases, if an earlier amendment is passed, there is no vote on yours. It looks very likely as a result of the meeting with May that all the opposition parties excluding Labour could put in a jointly agreed amendment.

But it looks as if Labour would not support it. They want to have their own Brexit version, which the opposition would not support.

For all May's madness, it could end up being Labour that gets us into a no-deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 01:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL8TJsM86x0&list=RDjiUFPjulTW8&index=3


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 12:33 PM

Got my confirmation email 1,119,676...... and counting.

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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 12:26 PM

K K K K appear to be missing so I thought I'd add them


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 12:09 PM

Tic Toc, Tic Toc !


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 11:46 AM

As much as I am against leaving the EU I must say I would have preferred the government just to have laid out their leaving terms to the EU and then leave to the interminable nonsense we are now going through. I thought Cameron the pig sticker was bad. May the mantis is even worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 11:34 AM

The TUC and CBI now sending a joint communication to The Praying Mantis, expressing their dismay at the disaster she has turned BrexShit into, and imploring her to change tack.

Surely now, even the most oafish, flag-waving, Union-Jack-Underpants-wearing, 'Take Are Cuntry Back" Brexshitter can now see what those of us who weren't brainwashed by Anti-EU BrexShit propaganda have known from Day-One, that BrexShit is a complete, unmitigated disaster in the making?

The time to abandon BrexShit is here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 10:30 AM

A million signatures on the 'Revoke A50' petition a few minutes ago.
Around 900,000 of which have been since May's speech. I could see it passing 2 million before the weekend is out.

Of course, it is very likely to be ignored, even if 17 million sign it ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 10:16 AM

A million signatures on the 'Revoke A50' petition a few minutes ago.

Fingers crossed that Parliament comes to its senses, does the right thing and revokes A50, and saves the large majority who didn't express a desire to leave the E.U. from the stupidity of the minority who did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 10:03 AM

as a Yank, what do I know?

As much as anyone on this side of the pond, that's for sure!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mossback
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 09:48 AM

A refresing bit of sanity reported in today's Guardian:


The UK government’s petitions website crashed on Thursday morning as thousands of people attempted to sign a plea for article 50 to be revoked.

The petition began gaining signatures on Wednesday evening after Theresa May criticised MPs for not approving her Brexit deal. It had received almost 600,000 signatures and was growing at a rate of 1,500 a minute before the site crashed.

The petition calls on the government to revoke article 50 and keep Britain in the EU, continuing: “The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is the will of the people. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now for remaining in the EU. A people’s vote may not happen, so vote now.”


Surely, revocation would be a simple way out of your mess, but as a Yank, what do I know?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 08:56 AM

There an online petition on the Parliament site to revoke Article 50, for anyone who wishes to sign. Be warned, it keeps crashing from traffic overload, so it might take a bit of persistence.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

You may see an apology-sorry-we're-fixing-it page. And if you get "Bad Gateway" it means they're really overloaded. I've had both, but my vote finally got through.

Keep trying. Stay or leave, we have got do everything in our power to avoid a no-deal crashout.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 08:48 AM

And, if that happens, she will have succeeded in achieving precisely what her tiny cadre of immensely-wealthy, tax-avoiding masters have instructed her to achieve.

'Job Done' as far as she's concerned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 08:42 AM

I think we are going to have a hard Brexit with no agreement.

Parliament seems effectively powerless to do anything except agree Theresa May's deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 08:17 AM

Unbelievably reckless language from The Praying Mantis last night, trying to lay the blame for her own abject failure on to MPs and Parliament. In these highly-emotionally-charged times, she spoke in a way that is likely to stir up a great deal of antipathy towards MPs of every stripe, even to the point of endangering their lives.

She is a disgrace, the author of her own misfortune, and not fit to serve this country in any position, let alone PM.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 08:08 AM

I am disgusted by May's condescending and patronising behaviour. How dare she presume what I want. She could not form a majority government and she only stays in power by virtue of support from the DUP. The referendum was not a mandate to dictate the terms on which we would leave. The fallback position can only be leaving EU but remaining in EEA until a further referendum says otherwise. There is no mandate to discontinue freedom of movement - that is purly a presumptive statement that May made. There is no mandate to leave the single market or customs unions, so there is no lawful basis for UK or EU to withdraw the benefit of these from any businesses or consumers who want thesew to continue.

EU27 customs and border officials MUST continue to allow use of EU customs and passport channels unhindered for everyone who have not consented to this right being withdrawn, otherwise they are obeying the orders of thier UKIP/NEO-fascist overlords.

There is no reason why EU cannot agree an emergency treaty to allow 'split' arrangments, whereby those of us who do not consent to leave retain 100% of the benefits of EU membership, and everyone else has no rights whatsover. I would be happy to pay my £20 per year contribution on top of my tax liabilities, for which I would also expect to right of representation in the European Parliament and European Council. I would also expect the EU to enforce all European Law that has an impact on the rights of thise who do not consent to leave, if necessary applying harsh sanctions against those who do consent. I would, finally, expect EU to compensate UK citizens for non-compliance by the UK government, recovering the costs through the aforementioned sanctions.

it is all a perfecr solution. Leavers get everything they want for themselves - pay for it - without ****ing up the lives of the rest of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 05:13 AM

The majority voted Leave

Is this a folk song?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 05:09 AM

I agree it was a mistake on Corbyn's part. Not that there was much point in attending, it seems clear that May intended to try to get people to back her 'deal', which Corbyn doesn't want to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 03:40 AM

I agree with David and DMcG. Corbyn behaved like a petulant child, and his unstatesmanlike display will be included in the armouries of his opponents - along with Antisemite/Enemy of The People/ Friend of Terrorists/yadda yadda - to be dragged out to beat him, and the Labour Party, with as and when it suits them.

However, a more important issue that everyone should be beating The Praying Mantis with is her bone-headed, arrogant refusal to involve anyone from the other parties in the BrexShit process until this late stage. Why she didn't make the biggest issue since the end of WW2 a cross-party matter, and set up a cross-party group to handle the process is, to say the very least, baffling. Clearly, she put her opportunity for personal glory ahead of the good of the nation. Shame she made a total f**k-up of the whole thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 03:20 AM

Sorry Steve, Corbyn's behaviour there was childish. He should be anyone who is prepared to work with him to prevent the catastrophe towards which May is leading us. That includes TIG, and if they would take part, that should include Sinn Fein. Who might be persuaded to take their seats in this extreme situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 19 - 08:24 PM

No, I don't think that. These machinations will be rapidly lost in the morass of insanity engulfing this issue. The last thing that people will be recalling, in a week's time, will be Jezza walking out of a meeting with an out-of-control prime minister who had invited an unqualified charlatan. Principle does still mean something, tha knows...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Mar 19 - 07:19 PM

Don't you think come the next election, Steve, that the opponents will make a great deal of capital out of that action? Sure, the meeting was presented as one of leaders, but what was the downside of Corbyn staying? He could easily have issued a statement aftwrwards saying TIG is not a party, and so should not have been present but in the national interests it was more important to seize any chance of getting May to listen to everyone's views. Instead it looks as if he has put a personal animosity with the TIG as more important than the country's future. Bad politics and tactical play, especially as everyone expected the meeting to be the usual of May repeating herself and ignoring everyone. The statement by the Lib Dema, Greens etc immediately after the meeting looked very much as if it could have been 90% prepared beforehand, with just scope for a few tweaks if needed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 19 - 07:06 PM

It was supposed to be a meeting involving May and opposition party leaders. Umunna is neither a leader nor a member of a political party. Jeremy was perfectly correct in walking out. Umunna is a charlatan and an opportunist who has betrayed his constituents by turning the back on the party that paid good money and spent lots of resources to get him elected. He is utterly undemocratic. I'd have walked out of that room a damn sight faster than Jeremy did, and, I must say, I'm amazed at your response, DMcG.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Mar 19 - 04:48 PM

Jeremy Corbyn reportedly walked out on a crucial Brexit briefing with party leaders because former Labour MP Chuka Umunna was invited. The Labour Leader is thought to have refused to sit down with the Independent Group spokesman as 'he's not a real party leader'. The move has been criticised online, with Countdown presenter Rachel Riley writing on Twitter (inset): 'Corbyn on Hamas (the terrorists): I wanted Hamas to be part of the debate. Corbyn on Chuka Umunna (the anti-racism ex-Labour MP): Tell him I’m not talking to him. OK, got it.'

He is even more of a clown than treason May!

Could find the Independant group is bigger than Labour in the not too distant future.


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