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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

DMcG 19 May 19 - 02:37 PM
Raggytash 19 May 19 - 02:50 PM
Iains 19 May 19 - 02:54 PM
DMcG 20 May 19 - 03:04 AM
Iains 20 May 19 - 04:24 AM
Iains 20 May 19 - 04:36 AM
Backwoodsman 20 May 19 - 07:39 AM
DMcG 20 May 19 - 08:25 AM
Iains 20 May 19 - 09:31 AM
Jim Carroll 20 May 19 - 10:02 AM
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Backwoodsman 20 May 19 - 10:58 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 May 19 - 02:37 PM

here is the link

I don't it will bother many Brexiteers, though. It was a long time ago, and anyway since she would have to sign a withdrawal agreement, some have already said the Queen would be committing treason if she did so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 May 19 - 02:50 PM

Thanks DMcG, it doesn't alter the dilemma for our Brexiteers whom I suspect are ardent royalists to boot.

AND it doesn't stop me from taking the p*** out of them !!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 May 19 - 02:54 PM

Rather than the antiques roadshow link above here is one from yesterday that is far more relevant.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-face-wipe-out-nigel-16165569

and the latest voting intentions
conres European Elections Poll May 2019
Survey of GB adults on their voting intentions.

Brexit Party 31% (+4)

Labour 23% (-1)

Lib Dem 16% (+2)

Conservatives 9% (-4)

Green 9% (-)

Change UK 4% (-2)

SNP 4% (+1)

UKIP 2% (-1)

PC 1% (-)

Other 1% (-)

similar to yougov on trends, absolute values a little different.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 May 19 - 03:04 AM

Calls for Brexit Party funding to be investigated

That there is a concern that funding is not being declared is obvious - it seems you can pay up to £500 on their website and it does not need to be declared. And this can come via Paypal.   If I wished to make a £50,000 donation, it looks as if I just need to make a lot of small donations of less than £500 a time. If the worst comes to the worst, I might need to set up a hundred separate Paypal accounts, which would be no problem these days. My own website has an email system where unrecognised email addresses are automatically redirected to a single one internally, so giving Paypal one hundred different emails would be easy for my, never mind a state or large interested party.

Of course, the Brexit Party supporters would say either 'fake news', or 'they would say that, wouldn't they?' or both. After all, it is fair to say a possibility of corruption is a long way it existing and then proving it.

But I think we are at a worse stage. If it were to be proved today that the Brexit Party was getting illegal funding - and I am not saying it is - I think its supporters would not care. Banning it from the elections for breaching the rules could cause rioting, I think. And come the general elections, a new Child of Brexit with entirely legitimate funding could sweep the board.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 May 19 - 04:24 AM

There are some very interesting things occurring just before the voting occurs in the EU elections.
1)A false story about Farage running away from a RTA.
2)Noises being made about an enquiry into TBP funding arrangements.
3) The as yet unregistered anti brexit "Led by Donkeys" campaign forced to take down a gay bashing poster, amid strong rumours they have breached their spending limits.
4)Labour is haemorrhaging remain voters to the Lib Dems because of ambiguity on Labour's brexit position.
5)Uncertainty as to how much of the LIBDEM vote in the local council elections was a protest vote. This could produce even more support for brexit.

I predict more attempted character assassination of Farage in the next couple of days in order to sabotage the brexit vote. This could backfire of course as brexiteers are both sophisticated and canny and can easily see through such subterfuge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 May 19 - 04:36 AM

That there is a concern that Brexit funding is not being declared is obvious - it seems you can pay up to £500 on their website and it does not need to be declared. And this can come via Paypal.

Your support is critical for the future of Guardian journalism.
Payment method

    Credit/Debit card

    PayPal

'nuff said!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 May 19 - 07:39 AM

When did The Guardian become a registered political party?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 May 19 - 08:25 AM

Quite so, Backwoodsman. Paypal is important because in makes tracing sources of funding harder. There are legal constraints on that for political parties that do not apply to newspapers.

I'd appreciate views on the second point I made, though. If there was evidence of funding irregularities, would any Brexiteer care? I don't think they would. And if it was proven to the point the Brexit Party was prohibited from the EU elections, behind the bluster of protest Farage would love it, because it would give him a really strong card to play come the general election "Look how the elites treated you over the EU elections ..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 May 19 - 09:31 AM

From the Electoral Commissioners:
Under the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA), there are controls on which donations a political party can accept. These controls apply to parties that are registered in Great Britain. Certain donations must be recorded and reported to us. We publish these reports in a register on our website.

Who receives donations? Donations are made to registered political parties and accounting units (sections of a party whose finances aren’t managed directly by a party’s headquarters). Parties must appoint someone to be registered with us as their treasurer. The registered treasurer is responsible for making sure that the party follows the rules on donations. This includes maintaining suitable systems within the party to ensure donations are dealt with correctly. What is a donation? A donation is money, goods or services given to a party without charge or on non-commercial terms, with a value of over £500. Some examples of donations include: •A gift of money or other property. •Sponsorship of an event or publication.   •Subscription or affiliation payments. •Free or specially discounted use of an office.
Under PPERA, anything with a value of £500 or less is not a donation.

It should be noted that Alastair Campbell’s People’s Vote welcomes offshore donations:


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 19 - 10:02 AM

"It should be noted that Alastair Campbell’s People’s Vote welcomes offshore donations:"
Oooo good - it means he can ask Dyson the Deserter and Lord Snooty for a donation
SPEAKING OF WHICH
Reckoned to be the worst book on British history ever - even worse than Churchill's 'Boys Own' account of the exploits of Empire
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 19 - 10:02 AM

"It should be noted that Alastair Campbell’s People’s Vote welcomes offshore donations:"
Oooo good - it means he can ask Dyson the Deserter and Lord Snooty for a donation
SPEAKING OF WHICH
Reckoned to be the worst book on British history ever - even worse than Churchill's 'Boys Own' account of the exploits of Empire
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 May 19 - 10:16 AM

Electoral Commission to visit Brexit Party offices over funding concerns

A reminder: The rules are about parties standing for election.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 May 19 - 10:23 AM

'Twould appear the establishment is getting rattled! They are behaving just as predicted. Their scurrilous behaviour is so obvious they are simply drumming up even more support for Farage. Hilarious!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 19 - 10:53 AM

A REMINDER If one wee needed
AND ANOTHER
AND YET ANOTHER


"Trust me - I'm a Brexiteer" - I don't think so !!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 May 19 - 10:58 AM

”It should be noted that Alastair Campbell’s People’s Vote welcomes offshore donations:”

Like the Guardian, Alastair Campbell’s ‘’People’s Vote’ is not a registered political party, and therefore is not subject to the rules that apply to registered political parties with regard to donations.

You really are beginning to look very silly indeed. Or very thick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 May 19 - 11:01 AM

Bloody HTML! Try again...

Like the Guardian, Alastair Campbell’s ‘People’s Vote’ is not a registered political party, and therefore is not subject to the rules that apply to registered political parties with regard to donations.

You really are beginning to look very silly indeed. Or very thick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 May 19 - 11:07 AM

European elections
latest polls: Brexit
Party forecast to win most votes
The Telegraph
1 hour ago

Pro- and anti-Brexit
parties neck and
neck in EU
election, says poll
The Guardian
2 hours ago


Brexit Party set to
win more votes
than pro-Remain
parties combined, polling reveals
The Telegraph
10 hours ago

What a joke!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 May 19 - 11:28 AM

Jim and John. Will you never learn? :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 May 19 - 12:13 PM

Reality versus ideology!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/20/brexit-party-set-win-votes-pro-remain-parties-combined-polling/

A stunning graph showing the brexit party gains since the local coucil elections. If accurate the day the EU election results are announced will be a fine popcorn evening of celebration.

Even worse for remainiacs
"The Brexit Party has seen support soar in the aftermath of Theresa May agreeing to an extension of the Brexit deadline with the European Union, with a YouGov poll of 2,212 voters conducted between May 8-9 showing 34 percent of those surveyed would cast their vote in favour of the newborn party. Mr Portillo suggested Britons could again opt to take their vote away from historical parties during a General Election." Farage for PM?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 May 19 - 01:08 PM

I presume Telegraph readers are not supposed to notice the SNP and Plaid Cwmru are omitted, or ask themselves why.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 May 19 - 01:33 PM

”Care to tell me where I said peoples vote is a political party?”

Nobody has said that you said ‘People’s Vote’ is a political party. However, in responding to criticism of the Brexit Party’s donations policy by drawing attention to the donations policy of People’s Vote, you clearly were attempting to draw a parallel. I simply pointed out that the parallel to which you alluded doesn’t exist.

It’s really not difficult. But apparently too difficult for you. No surprise there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 19 - 01:52 PM

"A REMINDER of WHO THE BREXIT PARTY ACTUALLY IS AND IT'S COLOURFUL HISTORY "
It is actually not a party - it is a one-policy and no constitution
It has no members - only paying supporters, so it cannot even claim to be a democratic organisation
It is, in fact, capitalising on the farcical situation created by a sulky group who, by playing on the prejudices of the British people.
An examination of its SISTER PARTY will show how The Brexit Party has its roots in the Extremist Right goroups that have sprung up in Europe - many of whom have died the death of all crank parties

As far as the European Election results are concerned, as the UK vote has never exceeded 40%, any result can hardly be claimed as a victory
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 May 19 - 02:25 PM

Well once again, Nigel you can only see typos and not information. Perhaps you would like to comment on whether you think the Telegraph's omission of those parties (unlike, say, the BBC's poll of polls) is a fair representation of the current voting intentions?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 19 - 03:49 AM

However, in responding to criticism of the Brexit Party’s donations policy by drawing attention to the donations policy of People’s Vote, you clearly were attempting to draw a parallel. I simply pointed out that the parallel to which you alluded doesn’t exist

Oh Yes it does!

Peoples vote website
we are registered with, and regulated by, the Electoral Commission during this period. This means that donations over £500 have to be verified as permissible, and those over £7,500 published by the Electoral Commission, as required by law. As is the Brexit Party
In an election period the rules become even more stringent.

As people's vote is a pressure group I wonder if the electoral commissioners will investigate them to see how much funding is of foreign(EU)origin?
After all they had a huge donation from a pharmaceutical company representing nearly 30% of it's annual profit. However the EU parent company is worth billions.

You cannot beat a level playing field!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 May 19 - 04:12 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 20 May 19 - 02:25 PM

Well once again, Nigel you can only see typos and not information. Perhaps you would like to comment on whether you think the Telegraph's omission of those parties (unlike, say, the BBC's poll of polls) is a fair representation of the current voting intentions?


Such a shame the comment you responded to, which I believe contained nothing in the least offensive, has been deleted.
There seems to be a lot being deleted for no reason recently.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 19 - 04:37 AM

Apropos my post above. It is significant that the £83K donation mentioned above translates to 100,000 euros using the exchange rate of the time. An unusual figure for a UK origin, but perfectly understandable for an EU origin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 19 - 05:11 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 20 May 19 - 11:28 AM

Jim and John. Will you never learn? :-(

Strange that in among the multiple deletions that this one was missed!
Has moderation been usurped by a political commissar?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 May 19 - 05:51 AM

Hammond is making an interesting point today: he is saying that the leaflets etc before the referendum all talked about getting a good deal when we leave the EU. Consequently leaving with no deal is betraying the referendum vote.

Offhand, I cannot remember any information issued before the referendum promoting no deal, but perhaps others have better memory than me. Can someone link to some official documentation from before the referendum vote favouring no deal?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 06:38 AM

"Jim and John. Will you never learn? :-( "
When I see a piece of hate graffiti on a wall I deface it if possible - if not, I try to piss on it
You walk away if you wish Dave
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 19 - 06:57 AM

Not pandering to an inflated ego is not the same as walking away, Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 07:22 AM

"Not pandering to an inflated ego"
Tearing down and exposing is not pandering Dave
Ignoring is appeasing in my book
Apasrt from anything else, the contradictions of his arguments are worth pointing out - a miniscule non-party with no democratic credentials - the dismissal of minorities because 'they are too small to be considered important' while at the same time clutching on to a far smaller majority as "The will of the people" - attacking elected leaders as "anglophobic" while at the same time denigrating elected politicians who he doesn't agree with
By that argument, accusing a Prime minister as "a traitor" is as "Anglophobic" as it comes

If he actually put up an argument, we would have nothing to complain about - would that Nigel and Stanron did occasionally, but neither of them 'soapbox' as this feler does
Well worth a few minutes worth of exposé in my book
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 19 - 07:25 AM

BTW, your graffiti analogy is very apt. If you deface or piss on the graffiti, it makes it all the more difficult for the owners of the wall to clean it up. Try making the owner's (moderation team's) life easier by not adding to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 May 19 - 08:10 AM

Amajority of voters did note vote for a no deal[ as some of the brexit party are claiming], some of the leavers voted to leave but be in a similiar position to norway


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 08:32 AM

"A majority of voters did note vote for a no deal"
A tiny majority of a 72% turnout voted to leave without having the right to specify any alternatives
The demands being made at present are those of an extremist, unelected, self-appointed right-wing pressure group.

Britain now stands to lose one of its major industries due to "Brexit related problems"
British Steel is awaiting the decision of whether it is to receive a massive bailout in order to survive
Jamie Oliver's Restaurant chain is also facing closure due to Brexit related business problems - all very conducive to Britain "standing on her own two feet"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 May 19 - 08:40 AM

I think those who favour remain need to careful not to blame every problem on Brexit. None of the articles I have read about Jamie Oliver's business failing says it is related to Brexit. It could be: there could be staffing problems, for example. But if so no one is reporting it as amongst the specific causes. So unless evidence appears to the contrary, it sounds like too many chain restaurants chasing too few customers. That's business, not Brexit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 09:23 AM

"None of the articles I have read about Jamie Oliver's business failing says it is related to Brexit."

"Jamie Oliver is to close six of his Italian restaurants after tough trading and the “pressures and unknowns” following the Brexit vote"
HERE

Pretty much how it was presented on the mid-day news
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 21 May 19 - 11:20 AM

Thanks for that, Jim.

I am not convinced, though, that the spokesman is entirely right. Certainly, their problems got worse after the Brexit vote. It does not follow that it got worse because of the Brexit vote. In fact, I think the pressure on wages and austerity is more of a factor, with the only Brexit-related exception being what happens to staff from the EU. (But that applies to most chains, not just Jamie's. And of course a lot of other chains *are* struggling as well.)

I have only eaten once at a "Jamie's Italian" - I am not particularly avoiding them, that's just how things turned out. To me, it seemed fairly average Italian fast food at an above average price. Certainly not something I would try to "wow!" my Italian daughter-in-law with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 11:45 AM

Never eaten in a Jamies - not my kind of food - but I'm willing to listen to what he has been saying (as a businessman) for several years now
He was against leaving Europe but advocated that doing so might improve the nations dietary habits so it seems he was pragmatic rather than a straightforward stayer
Now the crunch has come, he links his crash to Brexit

Apropo of nothing, there's a lovely story around here of a couple of local electricians employed in a posh restaurant/hotel somewhere in the Midlands of Ireland around Christmastime.
The hotelier decided to treat them to a special Christmas meal - he lined up the staff - best bib and tucker and led the lads to their table where a waiter brought them the wine - handing a tasters sample to our neighbour Paddy to try first - Paddy obliged, tasted it and nodded his assent
Then they brought out the meal nouvelle cuisine - a coule of potatoes, a few vegetables, a couple of thin slices of meat and sprigs of garnish, all beautifully laid out on the plate
Paddy looked at it, scooped it down in one go and nodded - "yes; bring me some of that".
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 12:43 PM

"I wonder how long it takes Mr Plod to investigate this member of the loony left?"
HOPEFULLY NOT AS LONG AS IT'S TAKEN TO DEAL WITH THESE
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JOKEY THREAT AND REALITY
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 01:03 PM

Violence has been an issue of the Brexit farrago from the time the result was announced and racist incidents began to climb alarmingly
BREXIT AND VIOLENCE


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 19 - 01:33 PM

Hate Crimes ang Brexit - official figures
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crimes-racism-eu-referendum-vote-attacks-increase-police-figures-official-a7358866.html
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 19 - 04:35 PM

Britain now stands to lose one of its major industries due to "Brexit related problems"


So on the day British steel is about to go bankrupt because of an EU policy (emissions trading) and a vindictive EU move (suspending British company's rights to take free allowances), May is going to argue that we should still be regulated by the EU.


Of course, the BBC reports it as "Brexit related issues" rather than "having been affected by an EU decision to suspend UK companies from accessing carbon credits to cover their emissions under the ETS, until a Brexit deal is ratified by the UK's Parliament"

It helps to paint the entire picture otherwise the unwary might totally misunderstand the reality!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 03:29 AM

That is one view of the reasons for British Steel's problems. Here is another lifted from the Guardian:


How much is Brexit to blame?
It is not the only factor in the crisis but it is very important. Steel contracts are typically agreed well in advance of the product being delivered. As things stand, the UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October and the terms of that separation are yet to be agreed, meaning British Steel's overseas customers don't know what tariffs will apply to steel they buy from the company. Sources close to the company say orders from customers in the EU and further afield have dried up as a result.


That is why the company needs an urgent cash injection, to replace the drop in sales in the hope that a favourable Brexit deal can be signed in the meantime. Another factor is the weakness of sterling since the referendum result, which makes the cost of imported raw material used in making steel higher. Greybull bought British Steel after the referendum but it did not expect Brexit uncertainty to last this long.


So which seems the bigger issue to me, tariffs and sales or carbon trading issues? I think you can guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 04:11 AM

DmcG The real reason is the refusal of the Commons to deliver the Brexit both parties promised in their last election manifesto. Any economic uncertainties resulting from their intransigence is clearly their fault.
Trying to deflect blame onto the Blameless Brexiteers, who only seek a democratic outcome, simply will not fly. (Just see what happens Sunday night)

But the anticipated character assassination of Farage is delivering untold thousands of extra votes into the Brexit camp.
Democracy shall prevail!

As the saying goes:

Every cloud has a silver lining ! (or MEP seat)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 04:18 AM

Of course, there are also those who see a silver lining and fail to notice a nasty big black cloud attached to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 19 - 04:38 AM

Back to Brexit more directly.

May's bold plan seems rejected on all sides and there is talk of not putting it before the House at all. Since I don't see a general election being entered into willingly, that really does put us in the no-deal or revoke territory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 05:05 AM

BREX: 37% (+3)
LDEM: 19% (+2)
LAB: 13% (-2)
GRN: 12% (+1)
CON: 7% (-2)
CHUK: 4% (-)
UKIP: 3% (-)
YouGov, 19 - 21 May

Now high is brexit momma, 37% and rising.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 19 - 05:11 AM

DMcG Unless something dramatic happens the 22 committee are going to indulge in the time honoured pastime of can kicking.

I did find the link below today. I feel it echoes the sentiments of many.


https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5099ba620f852d44f6fddf50d63af0fd23e051a506e21060667fd3e2fbb7e4f3.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 19 - 07:41 AM

May seems to have accepted the idea of a limited SECOND REFERENDUM
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 May 19 - 07:48 AM

Interesting figures:
BREX: 37% (+3)
LDEM: 19% (+2)
LAB: 13% (-2)
GRN: 12% (+1)
CON: 7% (-2)
CHUK: 4% (-)
UKIP: 3% (-)

If those were repeated on the day, under the voting system used in Great Britain:
the first seat in any region would go to Brexit.
the second seat to Lib Dem,
the third to Brexit
the fourth to Labour
the fifth to Brexit
the sixth to Green
the seventh to Lib Dem
the eighth to Brexit
the ninth to Brexit
the tenth to Conservative (and it is only the South East which has 10 seats available. In any other British region the Conservatives would get no seats.
The above calculations are based on the percentages in the polls being repeated evenly across the country. It is possible that SNP & Plaid Cymru would also gain seats in Scotland/Wales.
Unlike 'first past the post' this shows that in most regions, a 37% vote is likely to receive much more than 37% recognition in terms of seats (66% in regions with only 3 seats, 60% in regions with 5 seats)


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