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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

Bonnie Shaljean 23 Feb 19 - 03:57 PM
Backwoodsman 23 Feb 19 - 03:22 PM
Iains 23 Feb 19 - 03:06 PM
DMcG 23 Feb 19 - 02:56 PM
Iains 23 Feb 19 - 02:46 PM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 02:45 PM
Backwoodsman 23 Feb 19 - 02:36 PM
Nigel Parsons 23 Feb 19 - 02:32 PM
Iains 23 Feb 19 - 02:01 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 23 Feb 19 - 12:04 PM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 11:07 AM
Iains 23 Feb 19 - 10:43 AM
Backwoodsman 23 Feb 19 - 10:24 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 10:12 AM
Raggytash 23 Feb 19 - 09:21 AM
The Sandman 23 Feb 19 - 09:17 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 08:21 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 07:05 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 07:04 AM
David Carter (UK) 23 Feb 19 - 06:58 AM
Raggytash 23 Feb 19 - 05:34 AM
DMcG 23 Feb 19 - 02:54 AM
Raggytash 22 Feb 19 - 04:14 PM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 19 - 02:04 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 Feb 19 - 12:59 PM
Raggytash 22 Feb 19 - 11:53 AM
Iains 22 Feb 19 - 10:35 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 19 - 08:10 AM
Raggytash 22 Feb 19 - 08:03 AM
Iains 22 Feb 19 - 07:28 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 19 - 06:21 AM
KarenH 22 Feb 19 - 06:17 AM
Iains 22 Feb 19 - 03:34 AM
KarenH 21 Feb 19 - 09:09 AM
David Carter (UK) 20 Feb 19 - 10:55 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Feb 19 - 10:23 AM
Dave the Gnome 20 Feb 19 - 10:12 AM
Donuel 20 Feb 19 - 07:26 AM
DMcG 20 Feb 19 - 07:03 AM
Iains 20 Feb 19 - 05:18 AM
Nigel Parsons 20 Feb 19 - 04:51 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Feb 19 - 04:16 AM
Backwoodsman 20 Feb 19 - 01:42 AM
The Sandman 20 Feb 19 - 12:54 AM
DMcG 19 Feb 19 - 06:00 PM
DMcG 19 Feb 19 - 02:08 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 03:57 PM

Economically a hard Brexit will hit Britain severely too. Ireland is her biggest trading partner. If the UK leaves with no deal, she will be obliged to replace each one from scratch, with every nation individually. And the USA is currently unpredictable in that sphere, so no assurances there. With Europe acting as a bloc, that's not a secure place to be, as numerous British fiscal experts have warned. So it cuts both ways. This impasse is not chiefly about political ideals.

The real issue in Ireland, north and south, is less Brexit-pro-vs-con (though the North did vote to remain) as the spectre of Brexit with no deal. In addition to the financial aspects, it will almost certainly return us - on both sides of the border - to violence and personal endangerment. (And is Britain really prepared to send in armed forces?) No Irish government is going to sit still for that. Why should they put their own citizens at risk?

They're only holding May to what she already consented to: i.e., a backstop. The Good Friday Agreement was also a mutually signed treaty, parts of which are now being blithely disregarded. I don't know why May feels entitled to go back on her word, nor where the sense of injury comes from. Neither Europe nor Ireland kicked the UK out. It kicked itself out.

I'm a dual British/American citizen, resident in the Republic of Ireland for longer than either my native country or my naturalised one - both of whom I love. It gives me no joy to write this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 03:22 PM

"Is a pillock of a higher order than an idiot, or is it simply the gormless insults of a bereft wazzock?"

Hilarious coming, as it does, from the most aggressive, insulting poster on this forum.

Medice, cura te ipsum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 03:06 PM

ut if the UK leaves without a deal, all changes and drivers will be expected to carry a green card when in mainland Europe and Ireland. They are likely to be issued by an insurance company for free, but the industry is warning it could take up to a month to obtain one, so if no deal happens and you're booked to go away with the car this Easter, you will need to act fast.

This can of course be reciprocated for any EU vehicles traversing the UK. Yet another expense to be picked up by Irish trucks. Typical Guardian to give half the story.
Still looking on the bright side,the lousy rag will go belly up hortly. By the number of times it's online presence is begging for dosh it would appear its lefty business model suffers from the usual problem of having largely squandered other people's money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 02:56 PM

. I'm guessing that there should be a word, or phrase, between 'all' and 'changes'. But in the absence of such, it makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense, since 'changes' there is a verb, not a noun. Using a slightly different tense you would have "without a deal, all is changed and drivers will be expected.."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 02:46 PM

Is a pillock of a higher order than an idiot, or is it simply the gormless insults of a bereft wazzock?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 02:45 PM

"Of course, reunification also needs the consent of the Republic of Ireland, which can only be obtained by putting it to the vote here"
We....lllll
Partition was a part of The Empire, which is long gone - it was supposed to be temporary anyway
That being said - thas all but a majority for ending partition here for several years now and I have little doubt that the idea of a hard border would shift the balance convincingly
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 02:36 PM

Nitpicking again Nigs? Never let us down, do you?

Pillock.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 02:32 PM

From Backwoodsman's link:
Currently, a driver of a UK-registered car is allowed to drive anywhere in the EU, the EEA (European Economic Area), Switzerland and Serbia, and not have to carry a green card that proves you have insurance cover.

But if the UK leaves without a deal, all changes and drivers will be expected to carry a green card when in mainland Europe and Ireland. They are likely to be issued by an insurance company for free, but the industry is warning it could take up to a month to obtain one, so if no deal happens and you're booked to go away with the car this Easter, you will need to act fast.


Typical Guardian: But if the UK leaves without a deal, all changes and drivers will be expected to carry a green card when in mainland Europe and Ireland. That sentence makes no sense (except to Guardian readers). I'm guessing that there should be a word, or phrase, between 'all' and 'changes'. But in the absence of such, it makes no sense.

The second paragraph says that drivers will be 'expected to carry a green card'. This does NOT mean that they will be 'required' to carry one. Again, Guardian readers may have a different understanding of the English language.

I know that there are those here who think that quoting from The Guardian helps put their case forward, but it appears that those who write for that paper are lacking in their understanding of the English language.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 02:01 PM

A hard brexit will hit Ireland severely. The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, the Irish 40th. Therefore there is much less resilience. Additionally Ireland prides itself on a knowledge economy largely founded on the presence of multinationals in the country. Should the threatened tax harmonization occur within the EU their raison d'être
may founder on quicksand. This is a double vulnerability further magnified by the UK being the biggest export market and UK food being 40% of Irish supermarket goods(roughly) and UK ferry ports acting as
entrepôt ports for Irish trade to and from the EU. Varadkar is doing his country no favours by trying to act the bogeymen thwarting British attempts to extricate themselves from the disaster zone of the EU.
The demographics indicate reunification is a likely outcome at some future point, providing it is seen as of economic benefit to the North.
Is a free health service more of a draw than a political ideal, as far as the majority in the north are concerned? (To give but one example)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 12:04 PM

> You get the DUP to agree to that and I'll buy you a pint!!

Raggy, the DUP can say what it likes. According to my understanding of the Good Friday Agreement, the call for a border poll doesn't require British Parliamentary consent, just the advice of the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (in the absence of Stormont), if he or she has cause to believe that it's the popular will. It's a government issue, not a Parliament one, so all the PM has to do is accept the judgment of the S of S, and proceed to put a border poll in motion. And if the PM refuses, it probably wouldn't happen. But if it gets denied in the event of a hard Brexit, seven kinds of hell will probably break loose, for financial reasons more than political ones.

[The DUP's] insistence in remaining part of the UK has never featured strongly in people's minds; rather it has been a case of economic security... Brexit has driven a Chieftain Tank through that one.

It'll drive a tank through the Protestant farmers/small businesses vote too, when election time rolls around, which the DUP would do well to remember. As Jim has indicated, people are more worried about being able to feed their children and keep up mortgage payments than ideologies.

Of course, reunification also needs the consent of the Republic of Ireland, which can only be obtained by putting it to the vote here, i.e. a referendum. If both nations then find for reunification, the legislation is already in place (AFAIU) to implement it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 11:07 AM

"Any GOOD news about BrexShit?"
It looks like it might be put on the back boiler for a while and it has brought the Tory Party crashing in flames
EVERY CLOUD BACCY - EVERY CLOUD !
jIM


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 10:43 AM

There are some that have concluded the brexit bus will be hijacked by the EU and used to run over Mr Varader.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/united-ireland-fix-brexit-britain

In an EU heading into recession the pain of a hard border will be keenly felt by both the German and French economies and should reunification occur, can the republic afford the 19 billion price tag.


Actions have consequences and Taoiseach Leo Varadkar as the EU's useful idiot may find his shelf life limited.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 10:24 AM

Fun for travellers to Europe in the event of a 'No-Deal' BrexShit on 29/3.

Didn't see any of that on the side of that friggin' red bus!

Any GOOD news about BrexShit?

Thought not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 10:12 AM

"You get the DUP to agree to that and I'll buy you a pint!!"
The DUP are no longer in a majority and will need to rely on other parties to pass legislation when Stormont finally reopens
Their insistence in remaining part of the UK has never featured strongly in people's minds; rather it has been a case of economic security to leave things as they are - Brexit had driven a Chieftain Tank through that one so, if it ever comes to a vote it is quite likely that a United Ireland will walk it
Crazy situation - a party that has to rely on support of other parties in the Six Counties is now propping up the British Government - 'Yes Prime Minister' couldn't have made this up - let alone 'Spitting Image'
A feckin' laughing stock - the lot of them
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 09:21 AM

You get the DUP to agree to that and I'll buy you a pint!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 09:17 AM

a referndum in the island of ireland on a united ireland?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 08:21 AM

Thrre Cabinet Ministers have threatened to resign rather tha support a 'No Deal' Brexit, and there are now widespread calls demanding that leaving should be delayed
TIME FOR A SONG MAYBE
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 07:05 AM

MORE TROUBLE AT 'T MILL
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 07:04 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 06:58 AM

These tariffs are a direct tax on British consumers. Who will be obliged to pay more for many staples, such as cheese. Availability could be a problem too, we may be back to the dark dank days of the 70s, when the only cheese you could get was plastic cheddar from Budgens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 05:34 AM

A report today suggest that tariffs on imported food (alone) post Brexit could total £9 Billion per annum.

This would mean an additional cost to us, the consumers, of over 170 million a week, rough half of the "savings" advertised on the infamous red bus.

Food Tariffs

Any good news about Brexit yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 02:54 AM

That also sounds like a push for a no deal, then have someone in charge who is not bound by any of her promises, to enable any regulations or restrictions to be jettisoned if they wish. Goodbye an independent farming sector.

O sometimes wonder if David Davis's inactivity for the start of this was a conscious long term strategy - he was always aiming for no deal.

I think, by the way, that a lot of the dire predictions of no-deal will turn out to be false or wildly exaggerated. But don't worry, the fraction thar is accurate will be quite bad enough by itself. It is worth saying because I expect we could hear a lot of "you predicted the seven plagues and they didn't happen." Maybe not, but one plague is quite enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 04:14 PM

I think we are all used to politicians double speak but the article in todays Guardian surely takes some beating.

It would seem that "some" cabinet ministers believe that Teresa May should step down "on a high" after this years local elections.

That reads to me as she can take all the crap of the Brexit debacle and we will carry on regardless and have someone else to blame.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/22/theresa-may-must-go-in-three-months-cabinet-ministers-say






"Not us Guv, we wus at home watching Banana splits!!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 02:04 PM

"He is creaming his pants now!"
Nah - he only doest that when he's taking the piss out of the less well off
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 12:59 PM

How many times do we need to say it. Just don't respond. He is creaming his pants now!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 11:53 AM

Perhaps a mod would be kind enough to move the last few posts over to the relevant thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 10:35 AM

Abu-Zakariya al-Britani, also known as Jamal Udeen Al-Harith, murdered a number of Iraqi soldiers and killed himself via murder-bombing in 2017. The BBC reported that Tony Blair personally was involved with getting Abu-Zakariya freed from Guantanamo in 2004. The UK government paid $1 million as compensation to Abu-Zakariya al-Britani for his stay at Guantanamo


https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/942_OPSR_TP_Returning-to-Fight_Literature-Review_508.pdf

According to the latest estimate by the Office of the Directorate of National Intelligence (ODNI), the rate of confirmed or suspected recidivism among former Guantanamo detainees is about 27 percent or 161 individuals out of the 600 released (HASC, 2012). The estimated recidivism rate, however, has been rising up from seven percent in July 2008 to 14 percent in April 2009, and 25 percent in October 2010 (HASC, 2012

So of the 800 returning jihadis that little jimmie is crowing about, conservative statistics suggest 200 will be active terrorists on their return and queue up very happily to get the free bus pass and bomb making lessons so kindly volunteered by raggedtytash our resident buffoon.
   God preserve us from clueless leftie luvvies!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 08:10 AM

People who regard criticism of politicians Anglophobic usually go under the title 'Ultranationalist'
They have an annual commemoration to remember the victims of that particular philosophy
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 08:03 AM

"the return of Isis terrorist to unleash mayhem in Britain"

Oh yes, the authorities are going to bring Shamima Begun back to the UK give her a free bus pass and lessons on bombing making too ......

I've said it before ......... idiot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 07:28 AM

"Nah - he's gloating over the misfortunes of those who won't be able to feed their families
Nothing new there"

Says anglophobe little jimmie,the man applauding the return of Isis terrorist to unleash mayhem in Britain.
Sick or what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 06:21 AM

"Iains is talking rubbish."
Nah - he's gloating over the misfortunes of those who won't be able to feed their families
Nothing new there
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 06:17 AM

Iains is talking rubbish.

In the war the ration was calculated to be nutritionally adequate. People ate it because (black market aside) they had no choice. What is being talked of post Brexit is increases in precisely the fresh food that is an important part of a balanced diet.

It isn't just about how much you eat, but about what you eat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 03:34 AM

The news from Karen (if correct) will save the NHS a fortune and cure the obesity epidemic. Sounds like a win win to me!

I do not believe obesity was a common problem during wartime rationing, or immediately after when rationing was at its most severe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: KarenH
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 09:09 AM

45% increase in prices of basic foods on WTO terms. I cannot afford this. Source: The Independent Newspaper.

Retailers have warned that a no-deal Brexit will lead to “unaffordable” price hikes on food and drink for customers in both the UK and Ireland as well as causing shortages of some everyday items.

Leaders of retail bodies said reverting to World Trade Organisation tariffs could make the cost of making fresh food and drink available to consumers increase by as much as 45 per cent- which is likely to be passed on to customers.

Food and drink production will be made more expensive due to a combination of higher tariffs and new regulatory checks, according to Aodhan Connolly, director of the Northern Ireland Retail Consortium, Thomas Burke, director of Retail Ireland and William Bain, the British Retail Consortium Europe and international policy adviser.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 10:55 AM

May has managed to nause up the offer of visa free travel to the EU by whining about the description of Gibralter as a British Colony. Its just words, but this could mess up the travel plans of millions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 10:23 AM

"The surgeon has now explained that the procedure will be fatal and the patient is still insisting that he goes ahead with it!"
A perfect plot for Holby City - not too god for the people of Britain
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 10:12 AM

John Oliver has compared your referendum to a surgeon that gives the patient two options and the patient accidentaly chose the fatal option.

Very astute observation, Donuel. It gets worse though. The surgeon has now explained that the procedure will be fatal and the patient is still insisting that he goes ahead with it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 07:26 AM

As you know 40 days and 40 nights from now my UK brothers and sisters face a no deal hard Brexit that will trigger the beginning of a shortage of medicine and food. On top of this the the border with northern Ireland makes trade crazy and travel restrictions in general will be insane.
I thought you guys would have sorted this but now even I am truely scared of the coming suffering.

Ignoring the new policies will be rampant along with black markets springing up will become the new crimes. I am in no position to speculate what can not be forseen but what i do see is worse than Trump tariffs times 10.

John Oliver has compared your referendum to a surgeon that gives the patient two options and the patient accidentaly chose the fatal option.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 07:03 AM

So now three Conservatives have joined the independent group. I don't think these are the last from either side.

It is interesting that both parties are saying "We are a broad church." It doesn't matter whether *you* think you are a broad church. What matters is if others agree. And in this case, from both sides, some don't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 05:18 AM

Welcoming Hatton and Livingstone back in the fold and allowing momentum to become as divisive as the banned militant tendencywill probably destroy the Labour party and the undercurrent of antisemitism allegations still swim around, brought to the fore by the recent defections. Corbyn cannot be trusted and his opinions are more changeable than the weather.
   It does the cause of democracy no favours when the opposition party
has the tail wagging the dog, and the dog is on the point of expiry.
steptoe senior is an apt analogy, he is tottering over a heap of rubbish.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 04:51 AM

Jim:
Unfortunately, for once I totally agree.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 04:16 AM

"Irish Times"
Interesting critique of the Labour Party in a leader article yesterday - it tend to show a failure to fully understand the problems faced by a party attempting to cleanse itself of leadership little different from those on the other side of The House, but its opening statement deserves a place in political history

"The British Labour Party should be on the cusp of a historic triumph. The main opposition party faces one of the most incompetent administrations in any major European state in the post-war era: a lurching, hopelessly riven Conservative Party led by a zombie figurehead, kept in power by an ultra-conservative single-issue outfit from Northern Ireland, and unable to come up with a workable policy on the most consequential issue of the past half a century"."
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 01:42 AM

An interesting piece from The Irish Tmes today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 12:54 AM

if there is a second referendum,imo the referendum should have only two choices remain or leave,any pissing about with inclusion of mays deal[ as a voting option] will only split a vote and could prevent an overall majority.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 06:00 PM

That link has changed since I posted it. It still contains what was the main theme before, namely:


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[May] was forced to admit to Conservative MPs that the Irish backstop could not be replaced by the “Malthouse compromise” – proposals for a free trade agreement with as-yet-unknown technology to avoid customs checks on the Irish border.

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Not surprisingly, May seems to have wobbled to say maybe in time it can be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 02:08 PM

A glimpse of reality appears from the fog.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 12:52 PM

and who would that be little jimmie?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 12:44 PM

Wonder if the Irish will be thrown out of Brexit's Baave New Britain
I can think of one "poor mistreated Tommy Robinson" hand-wringer who would welcome the idea
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 12:23 PM

HONDA:
In a statement on Tuesday, Honda said it would close the factory west of London as part of global restructuring of its manufacturing network to prepare for the age of electric vehicles.

The closure of Honda’s sole manufacturing site in Europe is expected to lead to the loss of 3,500 British jobs and deals a massive blow to the UK’s car industry as the country prepares to leave the EU.

The company also said it would close its factory in Turkey, where it employs 1,100 people and produces about 50,000 cars a year, of which 20 per cent are exported to Europe.
Analysts say the Swindon closure is long overdue. Honda had been scaling back its struggling UK operation for years and its market share in Europe remains tiny.
the new EU-Japan trade deal and declining market conditions in Europe likely affected the decision by Japan’s third-largest carmaker.

and of course the remainiacs carefully overlook the following:
The negotiations of the EU-Japan free trade agreement are now in the advanced stages. The latest statistics show that Japan is the fifth most important destination for European passenger cars and ranks second among countries exporting cars to the EU.Nearly 575,000 Japanese cars with a total value of €9 billion were imported into the EU in 2016. A trade pact that will remove EU tariffs of 10 percent on Japanese cars and 3 percent on most car parts is in the offing. Cheaper to now produce in Japan and export.
Awkward things facts! Now what was that about brexit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 11:02 AM

Leeks, not potatoes, it seems.


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