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BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?

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DMcG 31 May 19 - 07:07 AM
Big Al Whittle 31 May 19 - 07:03 AM
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Dave the Gnome 31 May 19 - 05:02 AM
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DMcG 31 May 19 - 04:36 AM
DMcG 31 May 19 - 04:28 AM
Big Al Whittle 31 May 19 - 04:15 AM
DMcG 31 May 19 - 04:02 AM
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Dave the Gnome 31 May 19 - 03:51 AM
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Dave the Gnome 31 May 19 - 02:51 AM
DMcG 31 May 19 - 02:08 AM
Backwoodsman 31 May 19 - 01:59 AM
Steve Shaw 30 May 19 - 11:34 PM
Big Al Whittle 30 May 19 - 09:12 PM
Big Al Whittle 30 May 19 - 07:01 PM
DMcG 30 May 19 - 05:38 PM
Nigel Parsons 30 May 19 - 05:13 PM
DMcG 30 May 19 - 04:17 PM
DMcG 30 May 19 - 04:02 PM
Big Al Whittle 30 May 19 - 03:28 PM
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David Carter (UK) 30 May 19 - 03:16 PM
Steve Shaw 30 May 19 - 03:09 PM
David Carter (UK) 30 May 19 - 02:14 PM
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Mossback 30 May 19 - 01:15 PM
DMcG 30 May 19 - 12:45 PM
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DMcG 30 May 19 - 03:27 AM
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DMcG 30 May 19 - 02:29 AM
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Steve Shaw 29 May 19 - 06:05 PM
Big Al Whittle 29 May 19 - 05:58 PM
bobad 29 May 19 - 05:33 PM
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Dave the Gnome 29 May 19 - 05:08 PM
peteaberdeen 29 May 19 - 04:46 PM
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DMcG 29 May 19 - 12:10 PM
Stanron 29 May 19 - 11:03 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 May 19 - 10:41 AM
Stanron 29 May 19 - 09:11 AM
Stanron 29 May 19 - 08:39 AM
Backwoodsman 29 May 19 - 07:28 AM
DMcG 29 May 19 - 07:05 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 May 19 - 06:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 May 19 - 05:00 AM
DMcG 29 May 19 - 03:20 AM
Backwoodsman 29 May 19 - 02:35 AM
Backwoodsman 29 May 19 - 02:24 AM
Dave the Gnome 28 May 19 - 05:04 PM
Stanron 28 May 19 - 02:41 PM
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DMcG 28 May 19 - 02:35 PM
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DMcG 28 May 19 - 01:46 PM
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DMcG 28 May 19 - 12:22 PM
Dave the Gnome 28 May 19 - 12:06 PM
Steve Shaw 28 May 19 - 11:50 AM
DMcG 28 May 19 - 11:38 AM
Jim Carroll 28 May 19 - 09:18 AM
Jim Carroll 28 May 19 - 09:15 AM
Steve Shaw 28 May 19 - 08:37 AM
Dave the Gnome 28 May 19 - 08:37 AM
Backwoodsman 28 May 19 - 08:32 AM
DMcG 28 May 19 - 07:54 AM
Backwoodsman 28 May 19 - 07:49 AM
DMcG 28 May 19 - 07:27 AM
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Dave the Gnome 28 May 19 - 06:44 AM
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DMcG 28 May 19 - 04:01 AM
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DMcG 28 May 19 - 02:46 AM
Backwoodsman 27 May 19 - 02:33 PM
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Dave the Gnome 27 May 19 - 01:14 PM
DMcG 27 May 19 - 12:07 PM
Steve Shaw 27 May 19 - 11:48 AM
peteaberdeen 27 May 19 - 11:05 AM
Raggytash 27 May 19 - 10:16 AM
Iains 27 May 19 - 09:27 AM
Steve Shaw 27 May 19 - 09:03 AM
DMcG 27 May 19 - 08:25 AM
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Steve Shaw 27 May 19 - 06:15 AM
Iains 27 May 19 - 06:07 AM
Backwoodsman 27 May 19 - 05:58 AM
Steve Shaw 27 May 19 - 05:54 AM
Steve Shaw 27 May 19 - 05:45 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 May 19 - 04:03 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 May 19 - 02:39 AM
DMcG 27 May 19 - 01:29 AM
Jon Freeman 26 May 19 - 11:04 PM
Stanron 26 May 19 - 10:39 PM
Iains 26 May 19 - 10:18 PM
Stanron 26 May 19 - 09:13 PM
Steve Shaw 26 May 19 - 09:01 PM
Stanron 26 May 19 - 08:47 PM
Steve Shaw 26 May 19 - 08:45 PM
Stanron 26 May 19 - 08:31 PM
Steve Shaw 26 May 19 - 06:57 PM
Stanron 26 May 19 - 06:32 PM
DMcG 26 May 19 - 02:32 PM
DMcG 26 May 19 - 02:23 PM
DMcG 26 May 19 - 02:21 PM
David C. Carter 26 May 19 - 02:19 PM
Nigel Parsons 26 May 19 - 02:06 PM
Nigel Parsons 26 May 19 - 11:12 AM
Jim Carroll 26 May 19 - 10:42 AM
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DMcG 26 May 19 - 05:01 AM
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DMcG 26 May 19 - 03:45 AM
Backwoodsman 26 May 19 - 02:51 AM
Iains 26 May 19 - 01:59 AM
Steve Shaw 25 May 19 - 06:57 PM
SPB-Cooperator 25 May 19 - 06:07 PM
Backwoodsman 25 May 19 - 05:50 PM
Steve Shaw 25 May 19 - 05:40 PM
Steve Shaw 25 May 19 - 05:12 PM
Nigel Parsons 25 May 19 - 05:00 PM
Steve Shaw 25 May 19 - 04:50 PM
Nigel Parsons 25 May 19 - 04:20 PM
Jim Carroll 25 May 19 - 02:53 PM
Nigel Parsons 25 May 19 - 02:02 PM
Jim Carroll 25 May 19 - 02:00 PM
Nigel Parsons 25 May 19 - 01:55 PM
Jim Carroll 25 May 19 - 10:33 AM
Nigel Parsons 25 May 19 - 10:23 AM
Jim Carroll 25 May 19 - 07:52 AM
DMcG 25 May 19 - 06:16 AM
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DMcG 25 May 19 - 02:21 AM
SPB-Cooperator 24 May 19 - 04:38 PM
Donuel 24 May 19 - 12:55 PM
DMcG 24 May 19 - 09:56 AM
Jim Carroll 24 May 19 - 08:14 AM
Backwoodsman 24 May 19 - 07:29 AM
Backwoodsman 24 May 19 - 07:10 AM
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Iains 24 May 19 - 04:43 AM
Jim Carroll 24 May 19 - 03:28 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 May 19 - 03:02 AM
Jim Carroll 24 May 19 - 02:50 AM
DMcG 24 May 19 - 02:17 AM
Backwoodsman 24 May 19 - 02:07 AM
Raggytash 23 May 19 - 06:59 PM
Steve Shaw 23 May 19 - 05:21 PM
Steve Shaw 23 May 19 - 03:58 PM
David Carter (UK) 23 May 19 - 03:28 PM
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Backwoodsman 23 May 19 - 01:52 PM
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David Carter (UK) 23 May 19 - 01:46 PM
Steve Shaw 23 May 19 - 01:44 PM
David Carter (UK) 23 May 19 - 12:47 PM
Backwoodsman 23 May 19 - 12:29 PM
Rain Dog 23 May 19 - 11:54 AM
Backwoodsman 23 May 19 - 11:27 AM
Raggytash 23 May 19 - 11:13 AM
Backwoodsman 23 May 19 - 08:44 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 May 19 - 08:12 AM
Backwoodsman 23 May 19 - 07:49 AM
Backwoodsman 23 May 19 - 07:30 AM
Jim Carroll 23 May 19 - 06:16 AM
DMcG 23 May 19 - 04:20 AM
Jim Carroll 23 May 19 - 04:19 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 May 19 - 04:11 AM
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Dave the Gnome 23 May 19 - 03:40 AM
DMcG 23 May 19 - 03:23 AM
Backwoodsman 23 May 19 - 03:08 AM
Jim Carroll 23 May 19 - 02:59 AM
DMcG 23 May 19 - 02:51 AM
Steve Shaw 22 May 19 - 08:08 PM
Backwoodsman 22 May 19 - 05:25 PM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 05:17 PM
Backwoodsman 22 May 19 - 05:13 PM
Nigel Parsons 22 May 19 - 05:05 PM
Raggytash 22 May 19 - 04:54 PM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 01:54 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 May 19 - 01:53 PM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 01:40 PM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 01:27 PM
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DMcG 22 May 19 - 01:17 PM
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Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 01:02 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 May 19 - 12:41 PM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 12:13 PM
Backwoodsman 22 May 19 - 12:10 PM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 11:50 AM
Iains 22 May 19 - 11:17 AM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 11:07 AM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 11:01 AM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 10:53 AM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 10:26 AM
Nigel Parsons 22 May 19 - 09:18 AM
Backwoodsman 22 May 19 - 08:53 AM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 08:48 AM
Iains 22 May 19 - 08:43 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 May 19 - 08:36 AM
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Backwoodsman 22 May 19 - 08:20 AM
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Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 08:17 AM
Backwoodsman 22 May 19 - 08:12 AM
Backwoodsman 22 May 19 - 08:08 AM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 08:04 AM
Nigel Parsons 22 May 19 - 07:48 AM
Jim Carroll 22 May 19 - 07:41 AM
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DMcG 22 May 19 - 04:38 AM
DMcG 22 May 19 - 04:18 AM
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DMcG 22 May 19 - 03:29 AM
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Jim Carroll 21 May 19 - 01:33 PM
Jim Carroll 21 May 19 - 01:03 PM
Jim Carroll 21 May 19 - 12:43 PM
Jim Carroll 21 May 19 - 11:45 AM
DMcG 21 May 19 - 11:20 AM
Jim Carroll 21 May 19 - 09:23 AM
DMcG 21 May 19 - 08:40 AM
Jim Carroll 21 May 19 - 08:32 AM
The Sandman 21 May 19 - 08:10 AM
Dave the Gnome 21 May 19 - 07:25 AM
Jim Carroll 21 May 19 - 07:22 AM
Dave the Gnome 21 May 19 - 06:57 AM
Jim Carroll 21 May 19 - 06:38 AM
DMcG 21 May 19 - 05:51 AM
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Iains 21 May 19 - 04:37 AM
Nigel Parsons 21 May 19 - 04:12 AM
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DMcG 20 May 19 - 02:25 PM
Jim Carroll 20 May 19 - 01:52 PM
Backwoodsman 20 May 19 - 01:33 PM
DMcG 20 May 19 - 01:08 PM
Iains 20 May 19 - 12:13 PM
Dave the Gnome 20 May 19 - 11:28 AM
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Backwoodsman 20 May 19 - 11:01 AM
Backwoodsman 20 May 19 - 10:58 AM
Jim Carroll 20 May 19 - 10:53 AM
Iains 20 May 19 - 10:23 AM
DMcG 20 May 19 - 10:16 AM
Jim Carroll 20 May 19 - 10:02 AM
Jim Carroll 20 May 19 - 10:02 AM
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DMcG 20 May 19 - 08:25 AM
Backwoodsman 20 May 19 - 07:39 AM
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DMcG 20 May 19 - 03:04 AM
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Raggytash 19 May 19 - 02:50 PM
DMcG 19 May 19 - 02:37 PM
Raggytash 19 May 19 - 02:27 PM
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DMcG 19 May 19 - 01:31 PM
Backwoodsman 19 May 19 - 12:59 PM
DMcG 19 May 19 - 12:45 PM
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Backwoodsman 19 May 19 - 12:01 PM
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Backwoodsman 19 May 19 - 08:55 AM
Backwoodsman 19 May 19 - 08:49 AM
Jim Carroll 19 May 19 - 08:15 AM
David Carter (UK) 19 May 19 - 07:48 AM
Backwoodsman 19 May 19 - 07:08 AM
Backwoodsman 19 May 19 - 04:54 AM
Iains 19 May 19 - 04:30 AM
Jim Carroll 19 May 19 - 04:01 AM
DMcG 19 May 19 - 03:34 AM
Jim Carroll 19 May 19 - 03:32 AM
DMcG 19 May 19 - 03:30 AM
Iains 19 May 19 - 03:15 AM
Iains 19 May 19 - 02:41 AM
Jim Carroll 19 May 19 - 02:25 AM
Raggytash 18 May 19 - 06:52 PM
Mrrzy 18 May 19 - 05:27 PM
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Jim Carroll 18 May 19 - 02:58 PM
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Jim Carroll 18 May 19 - 02:30 AM
Iains 17 May 19 - 02:26 PM
Jim Carroll 17 May 19 - 01:55 PM
DMcG 17 May 19 - 01:40 PM
peteaberdeen 17 May 19 - 01:25 PM
Iains 17 May 19 - 01:07 PM
Jim Carroll 17 May 19 - 09:09 AM
SPB-Cooperator 17 May 19 - 08:21 AM
Jim Carroll 17 May 19 - 08:12 AM
DMcG 17 May 19 - 07:56 AM
DMcG 17 May 19 - 07:34 AM
Iains 17 May 19 - 06:52 AM
Jim Carroll 17 May 19 - 06:50 AM
Iains 17 May 19 - 06:04 AM
Jim Carroll 17 May 19 - 05:25 AM
Backwoodsman 17 May 19 - 05:23 AM
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Iains 17 May 19 - 04:48 AM
Jim Carroll 17 May 19 - 04:26 AM
DMcG 17 May 19 - 04:21 AM
Iains 17 May 19 - 03:55 AM
Steve Shaw 17 May 19 - 03:32 AM
David Carter (UK) 17 May 19 - 02:26 AM
DMcG 17 May 19 - 02:22 AM
Steve Shaw 16 May 19 - 08:03 PM
Backwoodsman 16 May 19 - 06:49 PM
Stanron 16 May 19 - 06:48 PM
Steve Shaw 16 May 19 - 06:38 PM
Stanron 16 May 19 - 06:38 PM
Stanron 16 May 19 - 06:33 PM
Steve Shaw 16 May 19 - 06:28 PM
Stanron 16 May 19 - 06:01 PM
Steve Shaw 16 May 19 - 02:39 PM
WalkaboutsVerse 16 May 19 - 02:13 PM
Raggytash 16 May 19 - 02:07 PM
Stanron 16 May 19 - 01:43 PM
Raggytash 16 May 19 - 01:39 PM
Iains 16 May 19 - 01:36 PM
Backwoodsman 16 May 19 - 12:27 PM
Iains 16 May 19 - 11:45 AM
Jim Carroll 16 May 19 - 11:32 AM
Backwoodsman 16 May 19 - 11:22 AM
Steve Shaw 16 May 19 - 11:11 AM
Dave the Gnome 16 May 19 - 08:47 AM
Dave the Gnome 16 May 19 - 07:59 AM
Steve Shaw 16 May 19 - 06:52 AM
Stanron 16 May 19 - 05:55 AM
Dave the Gnome 16 May 19 - 02:51 AM
Jim Carroll 16 May 19 - 01:56 AM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 10:27 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 19 - 08:29 PM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 08:03 PM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 07:40 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 19 - 06:44 PM
Iains 15 May 19 - 06:30 PM
Iains 15 May 19 - 06:16 PM
WalkaboutsVerse 15 May 19 - 06:05 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 19 - 05:56 PM
WalkaboutsVerse 15 May 19 - 05:26 PM
Steve Shaw 15 May 19 - 05:24 PM
Raggytash 15 May 19 - 05:08 PM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 04:57 PM
Dave the Gnome 15 May 19 - 04:29 PM
Raggytash 15 May 19 - 04:00 PM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 03:48 PM
Backwoodsman 15 May 19 - 03:38 PM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 03:03 PM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 01:46 PM
Backwoodsman 15 May 19 - 01:27 PM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 01:13 PM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 11:54 AM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 10:49 AM
Iains 15 May 19 - 09:27 AM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 08:34 AM
Iains 15 May 19 - 07:58 AM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 07:27 AM
Iains 15 May 19 - 06:59 AM
Dave the Gnome 15 May 19 - 06:51 AM
Dave the Gnome 15 May 19 - 06:50 AM
Iains 15 May 19 - 05:32 AM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 05:18 AM
Stanron 15 May 19 - 04:23 AM
Jim Carroll 15 May 19 - 03:35 AM
Raggytash 14 May 19 - 06:06 PM
Stanron 14 May 19 - 05:25 PM
Iains 14 May 19 - 04:51 PM
Raggytash 14 May 19 - 04:40 PM
Jim Carroll 14 May 19 - 04:05 PM
Iains 14 May 19 - 03:47 PM
Jim Carroll 14 May 19 - 02:57 PM
Nigel Parsons 14 May 19 - 02:42 PM
Jim Carroll 14 May 19 - 02:32 PM
Jim Carroll 14 May 19 - 01:42 PM
Backwoodsman 14 May 19 - 01:41 PM
Iains 14 May 19 - 01:32 PM
Jim Carroll 14 May 19 - 12:31 PM
Nigel Parsons 14 May 19 - 11:43 AM
DMcG 14 May 19 - 11:43 AM
Jim Carroll 14 May 19 - 11:26 AM
Stanron 14 May 19 - 11:18 AM
Dave the Gnome 14 May 19 - 11:08 AM
Stanron 14 May 19 - 09:45 AM
DMcG 14 May 19 - 08:31 AM
Stanron 14 May 19 - 07:25 AM
Jim Carroll 14 May 19 - 06:59 AM
Iains 14 May 19 - 04:54 AM
DMcG 14 May 19 - 03:22 AM
Stanron 13 May 19 - 03:35 PM
DMcG 13 May 19 - 02:45 PM
Nigel Parsons 13 May 19 - 02:16 PM
Jim Carroll 13 May 19 - 01:48 PM
David Carter (UK) 13 May 19 - 01:39 PM
Iains 13 May 19 - 01:21 PM
DMcG 13 May 19 - 12:40 PM
Stanron 13 May 19 - 12:30 PM
David Carter (UK) 13 May 19 - 11:56 AM
peteaberdeen 13 May 19 - 11:56 AM
Jim Carroll 13 May 19 - 11:36 AM
Jim Carroll 12 May 19 - 08:14 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 May 19 - 07:38 AM
Iains 12 May 19 - 06:55 AM
Jim Carroll 12 May 19 - 06:06 AM
Iains 12 May 19 - 05:40 AM
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Jim Carroll 12 May 19 - 04:21 AM
DMcG 12 May 19 - 03:47 AM
Jim Carroll 12 May 19 - 03:10 AM
Iains 11 May 19 - 01:08 PM
DMcG 11 May 19 - 10:21 AM
Donuel 11 May 19 - 09:14 AM
Nigel Parsons 11 May 19 - 08:59 AM
Iains 11 May 19 - 06:29 AM
David Carter (UK) 11 May 19 - 06:14 AM
Iains 11 May 19 - 03:28 AM
DMcG 11 May 19 - 02:27 AM
Donuel 10 May 19 - 08:29 PM
Mossback 10 May 19 - 03:25 PM
DMcG 10 May 19 - 01:57 PM
Backwoodsman 10 May 19 - 12:30 PM
Stilly River Sage 10 May 19 - 12:24 PM
Iains 10 May 19 - 12:21 PM
Jim Carroll 10 May 19 - 11:05 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 May 19 - 10:13 AM
Iains 10 May 19 - 10:06 AM
Backwoodsman 10 May 19 - 09:44 AM
Iains 10 May 19 - 09:15 AM
Steve Shaw 10 May 19 - 09:09 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 May 19 - 08:12 AM
DMcG 10 May 19 - 07:43 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 May 19 - 07:41 AM
DMcG 10 May 19 - 07:38 AM
Iains 10 May 19 - 07:24 AM
DMcG 10 May 19 - 06:35 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 May 19 - 06:02 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 May 19 - 05:58 AM
Steve Shaw 10 May 19 - 05:26 AM
Iains 10 May 19 - 04:31 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 May 19 - 03:54 AM
Backwoodsman 09 May 19 - 05:02 PM
The Sandman 09 May 19 - 02:24 PM
DMcG 09 May 19 - 02:17 PM
Steve Shaw 09 May 19 - 02:15 PM
Backwoodsman 09 May 19 - 11:31 AM
DMcG 09 May 19 - 08:06 AM
DMcG 09 May 19 - 01:21 AM
DMcG 09 May 19 - 01:17 AM
Iains 08 May 19 - 06:29 PM
The Sandman 08 May 19 - 05:20 PM
Dave the Gnome 08 May 19 - 03:49 PM
The Sandman 08 May 19 - 03:41 PM
Iains 08 May 19 - 03:28 AM
Backwoodsman 08 May 19 - 02:14 AM
SPB-Cooperator 07 May 19 - 07:37 PM
peteaberdeen 07 May 19 - 12:38 PM
peteaberdeen 07 May 19 - 09:47 AM
Iains 07 May 19 - 08:04 AM
DMcG 07 May 19 - 07:55 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 May 19 - 07:43 AM
David Carter (UK) 07 May 19 - 06:22 AM
Iains 07 May 19 - 05:38 AM
DMcG 07 May 19 - 05:03 AM
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DMcG 07 May 19 - 03:54 AM
DMcG 07 May 19 - 02:59 AM
Raggytash 06 May 19 - 03:45 PM
Iains 06 May 19 - 03:37 PM
Raggytash 06 May 19 - 03:11 PM
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Steve Shaw 06 May 19 - 02:26 PM
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Steve Shaw 06 May 19 - 11:22 AM
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DMcG 06 May 19 - 07:59 AM
Jim Carroll 06 May 19 - 07:12 AM
Steve Shaw 06 May 19 - 06:44 AM
Iains 06 May 19 - 06:31 AM
peteaberdeen 06 May 19 - 06:24 AM
Iains 06 May 19 - 05:55 AM
Jim Carroll 06 May 19 - 05:42 AM
DMcG 06 May 19 - 05:36 AM
David Carter (UK) 06 May 19 - 04:56 AM
Iains 06 May 19 - 03:53 AM
Iains 06 May 19 - 03:47 AM
Jim Carroll 06 May 19 - 03:32 AM
Steve Shaw 05 May 19 - 07:50 PM
DMcG 05 May 19 - 03:19 PM
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David Carter (UK) 05 May 19 - 02:11 PM
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DMcG 05 May 19 - 09:34 AM
David Carter (UK) 05 May 19 - 08:47 AM
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Dave the Gnome 05 May 19 - 04:33 AM
DMcG 05 May 19 - 04:07 AM
Jim Carroll 05 May 19 - 03:16 AM
Jim Carroll 05 May 19 - 03:16 AM
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DMcG 05 May 19 - 02:03 AM
David Carter (UK) 04 May 19 - 05:41 PM
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Steve Shaw 03 May 19 - 07:03 PM
Iains 03 May 19 - 02:53 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 03 May 19 - 02:52 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 03 May 19 - 02:13 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 May 19 - 12:48 PM
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Dave the Gnome 03 May 19 - 10:55 AM
DMcG 03 May 19 - 10:50 AM
DMcG 03 May 19 - 10:40 AM
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Dave the Gnome 03 May 19 - 08:48 AM
David Carter (UK) 03 May 19 - 06:26 AM
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DMcG 03 May 19 - 04:00 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 May 19 - 03:39 AM
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DMcG 02 May 19 - 05:45 AM
Jim Carroll 01 May 19 - 01:14 PM
Backwoodsman 01 May 19 - 04:21 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 May 19 - 04:10 AM
DMcG 30 Apr 19 - 12:11 PM
Backwoodsman 30 Apr 19 - 08:28 AM
Steve Shaw 30 Apr 19 - 07:54 AM
Backwoodsman 30 Apr 19 - 04:55 AM
DMcG 30 Apr 19 - 03:39 AM
The Sandman 29 Apr 19 - 05:37 PM
peteaberdeen 29 Apr 19 - 04:32 PM
peteaberdeen 29 Apr 19 - 02:41 PM
Jim Carroll 29 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM
Donuel 29 Apr 19 - 02:07 PM
Stanron 29 Apr 19 - 11:33 AM
mayomick 29 Apr 19 - 06:39 AM
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DMcG 29 Apr 19 - 02:13 AM
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Iains 28 Apr 19 - 01:53 PM
Jim Carroll 28 Apr 19 - 07:36 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 28 Apr 19 - 06:13 AM
DMcG 28 Apr 19 - 03:51 AM
Mossback 26 Apr 19 - 05:01 PM
DMcG 26 Apr 19 - 02:04 PM
Dave the Gnome 26 Apr 19 - 01:17 PM
DMcG 26 Apr 19 - 11:12 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Apr 19 - 10:51 AM
Nigel Parsons 26 Apr 19 - 10:21 AM
SPB-Cooperator 26 Apr 19 - 10:05 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Apr 19 - 08:23 AM
Steve Shaw 26 Apr 19 - 06:43 AM
Backwoodsman 26 Apr 19 - 04:48 AM
DMcG 26 Apr 19 - 04:41 AM
Dave the Gnome 26 Apr 19 - 02:53 AM
Nigel Parsons 25 Apr 19 - 06:34 PM
Jim Carroll 25 Apr 19 - 05:18 AM
DMcG 25 Apr 19 - 04:47 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Apr 19 - 03:03 AM
Backwoodsman 25 Apr 19 - 02:06 AM
Raggytash 24 Apr 19 - 04:11 PM
Backwoodsman 24 Apr 19 - 03:14 AM
David Carter (UK) 23 Apr 19 - 06:18 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Apr 19 - 05:13 AM
David Carter (UK) 23 Apr 19 - 04:18 AM
Iains 23 Apr 19 - 04:01 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Apr 19 - 01:45 PM
David Carter (UK) 22 Apr 19 - 11:10 AM
DMcG 22 Apr 19 - 09:54 AM
DMcG 22 Apr 19 - 09:35 AM
Nigel Parsons 22 Apr 19 - 08:49 AM
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Jim Carroll 21 Apr 19 - 08:39 AM
DMcG 21 Apr 19 - 02:37 AM
Jim Carroll 21 Apr 19 - 02:06 AM
Iains 20 Apr 19 - 12:30 PM
DMcG 20 Apr 19 - 05:45 AM
Iains 20 Apr 19 - 03:54 AM
DMcG 20 Apr 19 - 03:14 AM
Jim Carroll 19 Apr 19 - 12:40 PM
DMcG 19 Apr 19 - 08:46 AM
Jim Carroll 19 Apr 19 - 08:21 AM
Jim Carroll 19 Apr 19 - 08:17 AM
David Carter (UK) 19 Apr 19 - 08:03 AM
Backwoodsman 19 Apr 19 - 07:56 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Apr 19 - 07:40 AM
DMcG 19 Apr 19 - 07:23 AM
Backwoodsman 19 Apr 19 - 05:18 AM
Stanron 19 Apr 19 - 05:11 AM
Jim Carroll 19 Apr 19 - 04:42 AM
David Carter (UK) 19 Apr 19 - 04:10 AM
David Carter (UK) 19 Apr 19 - 04:06 AM
DMcG 19 Apr 19 - 03:37 AM
Iains 19 Apr 19 - 03:33 AM
David Carter (UK) 19 Apr 19 - 03:14 AM
Jim Carroll 19 Apr 19 - 02:45 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Apr 19 - 02:12 AM
Nigel Parsons 18 Apr 19 - 04:24 PM
Dave the Gnome 18 Apr 19 - 03:02 PM
Iains 18 Apr 19 - 02:23 PM
DMcG 18 Apr 19 - 02:20 PM
David Carter (UK) 18 Apr 19 - 02:08 PM
Nigel Parsons 18 Apr 19 - 02:01 PM
Nigel Parsons 18 Apr 19 - 01:57 PM
DMcG 18 Apr 19 - 01:36 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Apr 19 - 11:05 AM
Steve Shaw 18 Apr 19 - 11:03 AM
Dave the Gnome 18 Apr 19 - 10:34 AM
DMcG 18 Apr 19 - 05:00 AM
Dave the Gnome 18 Apr 19 - 04:54 AM
Iains 18 Apr 19 - 03:47 AM
DMcG 18 Apr 19 - 03:36 AM
DMcG 18 Apr 19 - 03:31 AM
Iains 18 Apr 19 - 03:01 AM
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Bonnie Shaljean 16 Apr 19 - 12:53 PM
Jim Carroll 16 Apr 19 - 09:22 AM
Backwoodsman 16 Apr 19 - 07:39 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 16 Apr 19 - 07:09 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Apr 19 - 06:45 AM
DMcG 16 Apr 19 - 06:40 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 16 Apr 19 - 06:12 AM
Nigel Parsons 16 Apr 19 - 06:07 AM
DMcG 16 Apr 19 - 05:51 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 16 Apr 19 - 05:50 AM
Nigel Parsons 16 Apr 19 - 05:44 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Apr 19 - 04:41 AM
Steve Shaw 16 Apr 19 - 04:28 AM
peteaberdeen 16 Apr 19 - 04:00 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Apr 19 - 03:40 AM
DMcG 16 Apr 19 - 03:07 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 15 Apr 19 - 08:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 15 Apr 19 - 07:44 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 15 Apr 19 - 02:35 PM
DMcG 15 Apr 19 - 01:45 PM
McGrath of Harlow 15 Apr 19 - 01:18 PM
DMcG 15 Apr 19 - 12:13 PM
McGrath of Harlow 15 Apr 19 - 08:31 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Apr 19 - 06:37 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Apr 19 - 06:32 AM
Dave the Gnome 15 Apr 19 - 06:31 AM
Nigel Parsons 15 Apr 19 - 05:55 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Apr 19 - 05:31 AM
Nigel Parsons 15 Apr 19 - 05:02 AM
Steve Shaw 15 Apr 19 - 04:47 AM
Nigel Parsons 15 Apr 19 - 04:34 AM
DMcG 15 Apr 19 - 02:24 AM
Backwoodsman 15 Apr 19 - 02:05 AM
Stilly River Sage 15 Apr 19 - 01:26 AM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Apr 19 - 05:40 PM
The Sandman 14 Apr 19 - 12:42 PM
Jim Carroll 14 Apr 19 - 11:21 AM
David Carter (UK) 14 Apr 19 - 10:37 AM
peteaberdeen 14 Apr 19 - 09:28 AM
Steve Shaw 14 Apr 19 - 07:10 AM
Steve Shaw 14 Apr 19 - 07:08 AM
Jim Carroll 14 Apr 19 - 07:04 AM
Steve Shaw 14 Apr 19 - 06:54 AM
Steve Shaw 14 Apr 19 - 06:54 AM
Iains 14 Apr 19 - 06:51 AM
Jim Carroll 14 Apr 19 - 06:27 AM
Steve Shaw 14 Apr 19 - 06:18 AM
Dave the Gnome 14 Apr 19 - 05:30 AM
Steve Shaw 14 Apr 19 - 05:19 AM
Jim Carroll 14 Apr 19 - 04:31 AM
Backwoodsman 14 Apr 19 - 04:16 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 14 Apr 19 - 03:45 AM
Jim Carroll 14 Apr 19 - 02:56 AM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Apr 19 - 06:55 PM
Steve Shaw 13 Apr 19 - 04:44 PM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Apr 19 - 03:04 PM
Iains 13 Apr 19 - 02:16 PM
Steve Shaw 13 Apr 19 - 01:16 PM
Backwoodsman 13 Apr 19 - 01:03 PM
DMcG 13 Apr 19 - 12:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Apr 19 - 12:51 PM
Backwoodsman 13 Apr 19 - 12:25 PM
Dave the Gnome 13 Apr 19 - 12:03 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Apr 19 - 08:05 PM
McGrath of Harlow 12 Apr 19 - 05:40 PM
Iains 12 Apr 19 - 05:26 PM
Raggytash 12 Apr 19 - 01:54 PM
Backwoodsman 12 Apr 19 - 01:21 PM
DMcG 12 Apr 19 - 08:26 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Apr 19 - 08:16 AM
McGrath of Harlow 12 Apr 19 - 06:44 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Apr 19 - 04:50 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Apr 19 - 07:05 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Apr 19 - 07:04 PM
Jeri 11 Apr 19 - 06:34 PM
Backwoodsman 11 Apr 19 - 02:08 PM
Jim Carroll 11 Apr 19 - 02:01 PM
Dave the Gnome 11 Apr 19 - 01:43 PM
Backwoodsman 11 Apr 19 - 01:35 PM
Jim Carroll 11 Apr 19 - 01:29 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Apr 19 - 01:14 PM
Jim Carroll 11 Apr 19 - 01:07 PM
Jeri 11 Apr 19 - 12:12 PM
Nigel Parsons 11 Apr 19 - 11:24 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Apr 19 - 10:53 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Apr 19 - 09:54 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Apr 19 - 09:51 AM
Jon Freeman 11 Apr 19 - 09:33 AM
Stanron 11 Apr 19 - 09:33 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Apr 19 - 09:25 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Apr 19 - 08:37 AM
DMcG 11 Apr 19 - 08:07 AM
DMcG 11 Apr 19 - 08:05 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Apr 19 - 07:02 AM
Stanron 11 Apr 19 - 06:54 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Apr 19 - 06:24 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Apr 19 - 05:37 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Apr 19 - 05:00 AM
Stanron 11 Apr 19 - 04:59 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Apr 19 - 04:47 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Apr 19 - 04:38 AM
DMcG 11 Apr 19 - 04:31 AM
DMcG 11 Apr 19 - 04:24 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Apr 19 - 04:12 AM
David Carter (UK) 11 Apr 19 - 03:58 AM
Backwoodsman 10 Apr 19 - 03:39 PM
Dave the Gnome 10 Apr 19 - 09:55 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 10 Apr 19 - 09:45 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 10 Apr 19 - 09:39 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Apr 19 - 09:34 AM
Backwoodsman 10 Apr 19 - 09:09 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 10 Apr 19 - 09:07 AM
Donuel 10 Apr 19 - 08:48 AM
David Carter (UK) 10 Apr 19 - 08:46 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Apr 19 - 08:23 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 10 Apr 19 - 06:56 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 Apr 19 - 04:21 AM
peteaberdeen 10 Apr 19 - 04:21 AM
David Carter (UK) 10 Apr 19 - 03:58 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 Apr 19 - 03:52 AM
DMcG 10 Apr 19 - 02:50 AM
DMcG 10 Apr 19 - 02:25 AM
Backwoodsman 09 Apr 19 - 10:10 PM
Stanron 09 Apr 19 - 06:49 PM
mg 09 Apr 19 - 06:08 PM
Steve Shaw 09 Apr 19 - 05:01 PM
Raggytash 09 Apr 19 - 04:54 PM
Raggytash 09 Apr 19 - 03:41 PM
Monique 09 Apr 19 - 03:17 PM
Raggytash 09 Apr 19 - 03:09 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 09 Apr 19 - 02:21 PM
DMcG 09 Apr 19 - 01:26 PM
Backwoodsman 09 Apr 19 - 12:30 PM
Backwoodsman 09 Apr 19 - 12:26 PM
Steve Shaw 09 Apr 19 - 12:21 PM
DMcG 09 Apr 19 - 06:25 AM
Backwoodsman 09 Apr 19 - 03:06 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 08 Apr 19 - 08:34 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 08 Apr 19 - 08:29 PM
Donuel 08 Apr 19 - 07:52 PM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Apr 19 - 05:03 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 08 Apr 19 - 03:32 PM
DMcG 08 Apr 19 - 02:04 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 08 Apr 19 - 01:25 PM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Apr 19 - 01:24 PM
Backwoodsman 08 Apr 19 - 12:14 PM
Backwoodsman 08 Apr 19 - 10:50 AM
DMcG 08 Apr 19 - 10:18 AM
Iains 08 Apr 19 - 09:00 AM
DMcG 08 Apr 19 - 04:58 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Apr 19 - 04:51 AM
Jim Carroll 08 Apr 19 - 04:51 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Apr 19 - 04:39 AM
Iains 08 Apr 19 - 04:33 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Apr 19 - 04:31 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Apr 19 - 04:22 AM
DMcG 08 Apr 19 - 02:45 AM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 19 - 07:02 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 06:49 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Apr 19 - 05:37 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 05:23 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Apr 19 - 04:51 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 04:49 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Apr 19 - 04:47 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 04:31 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 19 - 04:20 PM
Mrrzy 07 Apr 19 - 03:08 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 02:56 PM
David Carter (UK) 07 Apr 19 - 02:40 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 02:35 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 02:16 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Apr 19 - 02:41 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM
Raggytash 07 Apr 19 - 02:25 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Apr 19 - 02:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 19 - 02:11 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Apr 19 - 02:07 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Apr 19 - 02:04 PM
Raggytash 07 Apr 19 - 01:57 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 01:26 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Apr 19 - 01:21 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Apr 19 - 01:03 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Apr 19 - 12:58 PM
SPB-Cooperator 07 Apr 19 - 12:19 PM
Backwoodsman 07 Apr 19 - 11:45 AM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 19 - 11:41 AM
Backwoodsman 07 Apr 19 - 11:06 AM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 19 - 10:34 AM
DMcG 07 Apr 19 - 10:23 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 09:36 AM
Iains 07 Apr 19 - 09:35 AM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 19 - 09:10 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 08:56 AM
peteaberdeen 07 Apr 19 - 08:24 AM
Iains 07 Apr 19 - 08:12 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 07:34 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 07 Apr 19 - 07:09 AM
Iains 07 Apr 19 - 06:53 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 06:53 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 07 Apr 19 - 06:52 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 07 Apr 19 - 06:50 AM
The Sandman 07 Apr 19 - 06:47 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Apr 19 - 06:27 AM
Iains 07 Apr 19 - 06:24 AM
DMcG 07 Apr 19 - 03:47 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 12:10 PM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 11:24 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Apr 19 - 07:20 AM
Backwoodsman 06 Apr 19 - 05:32 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 04:59 AM
Backwoodsman 06 Apr 19 - 04:56 AM
Backwoodsman 06 Apr 19 - 04:54 AM
DMcG 06 Apr 19 - 04:51 AM
Iains 06 Apr 19 - 04:30 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Apr 19 - 04:19 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 06 Apr 19 - 04:17 AM
David Carter (UK) 06 Apr 19 - 04:00 AM
Backwoodsman 06 Apr 19 - 03:55 AM
The Sandman 06 Apr 19 - 03:47 AM
DMcG 06 Apr 19 - 02:50 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 02:47 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 19 - 02:47 AM
Nigel Parsons 05 Apr 19 - 07:58 PM
DMcG 05 Apr 19 - 06:02 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Apr 19 - 04:58 PM
Backwoodsman 05 Apr 19 - 04:08 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Apr 19 - 04:01 PM
Backwoodsman 05 Apr 19 - 03:22 PM
Backwoodsman 05 Apr 19 - 02:14 PM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 19 - 02:05 PM
Backwoodsman 05 Apr 19 - 01:41 PM
Iains 05 Apr 19 - 01:21 PM
Backwoodsman 05 Apr 19 - 12:43 PM
Iains 05 Apr 19 - 12:26 PM
David Carter (UK) 05 Apr 19 - 11:06 AM
Raggytash 05 Apr 19 - 10:26 AM
Dave the Gnome 05 Apr 19 - 10:22 AM
Iains 05 Apr 19 - 10:14 AM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 19 - 09:48 AM
peteaberdeen 05 Apr 19 - 09:39 AM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 19 - 08:08 AM
Dave the Gnome 05 Apr 19 - 07:57 AM
Iains 05 Apr 19 - 07:46 AM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 19 - 05:13 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Apr 19 - 04:58 AM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 19 - 03:04 AM
Backwoodsman 05 Apr 19 - 02:36 AM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 19 - 02:26 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Apr 19 - 04:12 PM
Iains 04 Apr 19 - 11:22 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Apr 19 - 10:40 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 09:48 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 09:45 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Apr 19 - 09:31 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Apr 19 - 09:27 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Apr 19 - 09:21 AM
Nigel Parsons 04 Apr 19 - 09:17 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Apr 19 - 08:59 AM
Nigel Parsons 04 Apr 19 - 08:58 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 08:20 AM
Donuel 04 Apr 19 - 08:03 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 08:12 AM
peteaberdeen 04 Apr 19 - 07:37 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 07:30 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 07:30 AM
peteaberdeen 04 Apr 19 - 07:09 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 07:03 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 06:56 AM
Iains 04 Apr 19 - 06:50 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 06:41 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 06:37 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 06:31 AM
Nigel Parsons 04 Apr 19 - 06:23 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 05:58 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 05:55 AM
Iains 04 Apr 19 - 05:37 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 05:15 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 05:15 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 05:07 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 04:39 AM
Iains 04 Apr 19 - 04:34 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Apr 19 - 04:33 AM
Iains 04 Apr 19 - 04:18 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 04:16 AM
DMcG 04 Apr 19 - 03:49 AM
The Sandman 04 Apr 19 - 03:49 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 03:17 AM
Jim Carroll 04 Apr 19 - 03:01 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Apr 19 - 09:29 PM
Stanron 03 Apr 19 - 09:14 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Apr 19 - 09:00 PM
Stanron 03 Apr 19 - 08:30 PM
Iains 03 Apr 19 - 08:15 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Apr 19 - 08:14 PM
Iains 03 Apr 19 - 07:56 PM
Raggytash 03 Apr 19 - 04:03 PM
Backwoodsman 03 Apr 19 - 03:58 PM
DMcG 03 Apr 19 - 03:32 PM
Iains 03 Apr 19 - 03:07 PM
The Sandman 03 Apr 19 - 02:38 PM
DMcG 03 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM
Raggytash 03 Apr 19 - 02:24 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 19 - 02:15 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 19 - 01:41 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 19 - 01:14 PM
Iains 03 Apr 19 - 12:08 PM
Iains 03 Apr 19 - 11:30 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 19 - 10:58 AM
Stanron 03 Apr 19 - 10:56 AM
DMcG 03 Apr 19 - 10:46 AM
Backwoodsman 03 Apr 19 - 10:46 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 19 - 10:33 AM
Stanron 03 Apr 19 - 10:17 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 19 - 10:13 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 19 - 10:10 AM
Stanron 03 Apr 19 - 09:41 AM
Rain Dog 03 Apr 19 - 09:24 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 19 - 09:11 AM
Iains 03 Apr 19 - 08:57 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 03 Apr 19 - 07:48 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 03 Apr 19 - 07:47 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Apr 19 - 06:10 AM
DMcG 03 Apr 19 - 04:00 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Apr 19 - 03:50 AM
DMcG 03 Apr 19 - 03:34 AM
Backwoodsman 03 Apr 19 - 03:04 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 19 - 03:04 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Apr 19 - 07:30 PM
Raggytash 02 Apr 19 - 06:46 PM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 04:29 PM
Raggytash 02 Apr 19 - 04:18 PM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 02:52 PM
DMcG 02 Apr 19 - 01:25 PM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 01:17 PM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 01:17 PM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 12:23 PM
Raggytash 02 Apr 19 - 11:56 AM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 11:24 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 10:59 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 10:39 AM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 10:17 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 09:38 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 09:38 AM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 09:06 AM
David Carter (UK) 02 Apr 19 - 08:43 AM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 08:34 AM
DMcG 02 Apr 19 - 08:29 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 08:22 AM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 08:17 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Apr 19 - 07:27 AM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 07:05 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Apr 19 - 07:03 AM
Backwoodsman 02 Apr 19 - 06:14 AM
peteaberdeen 02 Apr 19 - 06:09 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 05:58 AM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 05:51 AM
DMcG 02 Apr 19 - 05:44 AM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 05:35 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Apr 19 - 05:22 AM
Iains 02 Apr 19 - 05:12 AM
Dave the Gnome 02 Apr 19 - 05:03 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 04:42 AM
Dave the Gnome 02 Apr 19 - 04:22 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 04:12 AM
Backwoodsman 02 Apr 19 - 04:10 AM
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Iains 02 Apr 19 - 03:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 02 Apr 19 - 03:44 AM
DMcG 02 Apr 19 - 03:22 AM
Backwoodsman 02 Apr 19 - 03:03 AM
DMcG 02 Apr 19 - 03:02 AM
DMcG 02 Apr 19 - 02:51 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Apr 19 - 02:44 AM
Steve Shaw 01 Apr 19 - 07:44 PM
Iains 01 Apr 19 - 05:01 PM
Backwoodsman 01 Apr 19 - 04:40 PM
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Nigel Parsons 01 Apr 19 - 04:27 PM
DMcG 01 Apr 19 - 03:26 PM
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Bonnie Shaljean 01 Apr 19 - 03:05 PM
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Bonnie Shaljean 01 Apr 19 - 02:54 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Apr 19 - 02:50 PM
DMcG 01 Apr 19 - 02:48 PM
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Steve Shaw 01 Apr 19 - 02:28 PM
Nigel Parsons 01 Apr 19 - 02:26 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Apr 19 - 02:23 PM
Backwoodsman 01 Apr 19 - 02:09 PM
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Jim Carroll 01 Apr 19 - 01:25 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Apr 19 - 01:25 PM
David Carter (UK) 01 Apr 19 - 12:51 PM
Stanron 01 Apr 19 - 12:21 PM
DMcG 01 Apr 19 - 12:16 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Apr 19 - 05:38 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Apr 19 - 04:28 AM
DMcG 01 Apr 19 - 04:07 AM
DMcG 01 Apr 19 - 03:42 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Apr 19 - 03:28 AM
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Steve Shaw 31 Mar 19 - 08:18 PM
Stanron 31 Mar 19 - 07:50 PM
Steve Shaw 31 Mar 19 - 06:41 PM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 05:29 PM
Steve Shaw 31 Mar 19 - 04:21 PM
Dave the Gnome 31 Mar 19 - 12:01 PM
Backwoodsman 31 Mar 19 - 11:38 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 08:26 AM
DMcG 31 Mar 19 - 08:07 AM
Backwoodsman 31 Mar 19 - 07:31 AM
Dave the Gnome 31 Mar 19 - 07:20 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 07:17 AM
Steve Shaw 31 Mar 19 - 07:13 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 06:08 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 05:07 AM
Iains 31 Mar 19 - 04:34 AM
DMcG 31 Mar 19 - 04:26 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 04:11 AM
DMcG 31 Mar 19 - 03:00 AM
DMcG 31 Mar 19 - 02:53 AM
Jim Carroll 31 Mar 19 - 02:48 AM
Iains 30 Mar 19 - 06:40 PM
Raggytash 30 Mar 19 - 06:19 PM
DMcG 30 Mar 19 - 05:54 PM
Iains 30 Mar 19 - 05:09 PM
Jim Carroll 30 Mar 19 - 01:23 PM
DMcG 30 Mar 19 - 04:31 AM
Stanron 30 Mar 19 - 04:02 AM
DMcG 30 Mar 19 - 03:56 AM
DMcG 30 Mar 19 - 03:42 AM
Iains 30 Mar 19 - 03:34 AM
Jim Carroll 30 Mar 19 - 02:23 AM
Steve Shaw 29 Mar 19 - 06:02 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Mar 19 - 06:00 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Mar 19 - 05:58 PM
Backwoodsman 29 Mar 19 - 05:16 PM
robomatic 29 Mar 19 - 03:08 PM
Jim Carroll 29 Mar 19 - 03:03 PM
Backwoodsman 29 Mar 19 - 02:36 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Mar 19 - 02:15 PM
Jim Carroll 29 Mar 19 - 01:28 PM
Jim Carroll 29 Mar 19 - 12:58 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Mar 19 - 12:16 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Mar 19 - 12:14 PM
Jim Carroll 29 Mar 19 - 09:36 AM
Donuel 29 Mar 19 - 08:50 AM
Jim Carroll 29 Mar 19 - 08:23 AM
Jim Carroll 29 Mar 19 - 08:23 AM
Mrrzy 29 Mar 19 - 08:04 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 29 Mar 19 - 07:37 AM
Jim Carroll 29 Mar 19 - 07:19 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Mar 19 - 06:58 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Mar 19 - 06:47 AM
Steve Shaw 29 Mar 19 - 06:10 AM
DMcG 29 Mar 19 - 04:14 AM
Iains 29 Mar 19 - 03:46 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Mar 19 - 01:48 AM
peteaberdeen 28 Mar 19 - 04:12 PM
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Dave the Gnome 28 Mar 19 - 01:28 PM
Raggytash 28 Mar 19 - 01:25 PM
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DMcG 28 Mar 19 - 11:56 AM
Raggytash 28 Mar 19 - 11:29 AM
DMcG 28 Mar 19 - 08:52 AM
Iains 28 Mar 19 - 08:23 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 28 Mar 19 - 07:31 AM
peteaberdeen 28 Mar 19 - 05:14 AM
Iains 28 Mar 19 - 05:00 AM
DMcG 28 Mar 19 - 04:17 AM
Dave the Gnome 28 Mar 19 - 04:14 AM
DMcG 28 Mar 19 - 03:54 AM
Backwoodsman 28 Mar 19 - 03:29 AM
Steve Shaw 27 Mar 19 - 08:40 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 27 Mar 19 - 07:33 PM
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DMcG 27 Mar 19 - 06:54 PM
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Steve Shaw 27 Mar 19 - 06:46 PM
Raggytash 27 Mar 19 - 06:36 PM
Steve Shaw 27 Mar 19 - 06:34 PM
DMcG 27 Mar 19 - 05:47 PM
DMcG 27 Mar 19 - 05:37 PM
Dave the Gnome 27 Mar 19 - 10:02 AM
Steve Shaw 27 Mar 19 - 09:59 AM
Mossback 27 Mar 19 - 09:54 AM
Stanron 27 Mar 19 - 08:30 AM
Backwoodsman 27 Mar 19 - 08:10 AM
DMcG 27 Mar 19 - 02:05 AM
The Sandman 27 Mar 19 - 01:15 AM
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Raggytash 26 Mar 19 - 05:13 PM
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Jim Carroll 26 Mar 19 - 01:16 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Mar 19 - 01:12 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Mar 19 - 09:33 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Mar 19 - 09:19 AM
Nigel Parsons 26 Mar 19 - 08:24 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Mar 19 - 08:11 AM
DMcG 26 Mar 19 - 07:21 AM
Iains 26 Mar 19 - 06:58 AM
Steve Shaw 26 Mar 19 - 06:15 AM
Iains 26 Mar 19 - 05:41 AM
Iains 26 Mar 19 - 05:34 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Mar 19 - 05:15 AM
DMcG 26 Mar 19 - 05:05 AM
The Sandman 26 Mar 19 - 04:23 AM
Iains 26 Mar 19 - 04:07 AM
DMcG 25 Mar 19 - 06:22 PM
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Steve Shaw 24 Mar 19 - 06:05 AM
Jim Carroll 24 Mar 19 - 05:42 AM
KarenH 24 Mar 19 - 05:22 AM
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DMcG 24 Mar 19 - 04:41 AM
KarenH 24 Mar 19 - 04:30 AM
DMcG 24 Mar 19 - 04:22 AM
DMcG 24 Mar 19 - 04:11 AM
Stanron 24 Mar 19 - 03:21 AM
Backwoodsman 24 Mar 19 - 02:53 AM
DMcG 23 Mar 19 - 02:04 PM
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Jim Carroll 23 Mar 19 - 08:19 AM
KarenH 23 Mar 19 - 07:40 AM
KarenH 23 Mar 19 - 07:37 AM
KarenH 23 Mar 19 - 07:30 AM
Iains 23 Mar 19 - 07:01 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Mar 19 - 05:59 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Mar 19 - 05:32 AM
DMcG 23 Mar 19 - 04:52 AM
Iains 23 Mar 19 - 03:38 AM
DMcG 23 Mar 19 - 02:20 AM
KarenH 23 Mar 19 - 01:02 AM
KarenH 23 Mar 19 - 12:38 AM
KarenH 23 Mar 19 - 12:25 AM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Mar 19 - 09:38 PM
DMcG 22 Mar 19 - 06:18 PM
SPB-Cooperator 22 Mar 19 - 05:26 PM
Iains 22 Mar 19 - 05:02 PM
DMcG 22 Mar 19 - 04:49 PM
Raggytash 22 Mar 19 - 04:28 PM
SPB-Cooperator 22 Mar 19 - 01:58 PM
Iains 22 Mar 19 - 09:21 AM
Iains 22 Mar 19 - 09:08 AM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Mar 19 - 08:04 AM
Backwoodsman 22 Mar 19 - 06:58 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 22 Mar 19 - 06:51 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 19 - 06:26 AM
Donuel 22 Mar 19 - 05:55 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 19 - 04:50 AM
Backwoodsman 22 Mar 19 - 04:11 AM
DMcG 22 Mar 19 - 03:52 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Mar 19 - 03:29 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 19 - 03:15 AM
DMcG 22 Mar 19 - 03:07 AM
Iains 22 Mar 19 - 03:01 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Mar 19 - 02:53 AM
KarenH 22 Mar 19 - 01:32 AM
robomatic 21 Mar 19 - 09:58 PM
Donuel 21 Mar 19 - 07:55 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 19 - 06:44 PM
DMcG 21 Mar 19 - 06:38 PM
KarenH 21 Mar 19 - 06:31 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 19 - 05:26 PM
DMcG 21 Mar 19 - 05:19 PM
DMcG 21 Mar 19 - 05:09 PM
Iains 21 Mar 19 - 04:59 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 19 - 04:29 PM
DMcG 21 Mar 19 - 02:56 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Mar 19 - 02:52 PM
DMcG 21 Mar 19 - 02:24 PM
Iains 21 Mar 19 - 01:37 PM
SPB-Cooperator 21 Mar 19 - 12:33 PM
Raggytash 21 Mar 19 - 12:26 PM
Iains 21 Mar 19 - 12:09 PM
Dave the Gnome 21 Mar 19 - 11:46 AM
Backwoodsman 21 Mar 19 - 11:34 AM
DMcG 21 Mar 19 - 10:30 AM
Backwoodsman 21 Mar 19 - 10:16 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 21 Mar 19 - 10:03 AM
Mossback 21 Mar 19 - 09:48 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 21 Mar 19 - 08:56 AM
Backwoodsman 21 Mar 19 - 08:48 AM
KarenH 21 Mar 19 - 08:42 AM
Backwoodsman 21 Mar 19 - 08:17 AM
SPB-Cooperator 21 Mar 19 - 08:08 AM
Iains 21 Mar 19 - 05:13 AM
KarenH 21 Mar 19 - 05:09 AM
Backwoodsman 21 Mar 19 - 03:40 AM
David Carter (UK) 21 Mar 19 - 03:20 AM
Steve Shaw 20 Mar 19 - 08:24 PM
DMcG 20 Mar 19 - 07:19 PM
Steve Shaw 20 Mar 19 - 07:06 PM
Iains 20 Mar 19 - 04:48 PM
DMcG 20 Mar 19 - 03:44 PM
DMcG 20 Mar 19 - 12:58 PM
robomatic 20 Mar 19 - 12:06 PM
Jim Carroll 20 Mar 19 - 10:51 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 20 Mar 19 - 09:56 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Mar 19 - 09:38 AM
Backwoodsman 20 Mar 19 - 08:44 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Mar 19 - 07:35 AM
Steve Shaw 20 Mar 19 - 07:09 AM
KarenH 20 Mar 19 - 06:36 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Mar 19 - 04:36 AM
DMcG 20 Mar 19 - 04:22 AM
Iains 20 Mar 19 - 04:11 AM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Mar 19 - 09:16 PM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Mar 19 - 08:56 PM
SPB-Cooperator 19 Mar 19 - 06:59 PM
Jim Carroll 19 Mar 19 - 02:26 PM
DMcG 19 Mar 19 - 02:11 PM
Iains 19 Mar 19 - 02:09 PM
Steve Shaw 19 Mar 19 - 01:10 PM
Jim Carroll 19 Mar 19 - 12:54 PM
Iains 19 Mar 19 - 12:46 PM
Donuel 19 Mar 19 - 09:25 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 19 Mar 19 - 09:09 AM
Backwoodsman 19 Mar 19 - 08:54 AM
Donuel 19 Mar 19 - 08:35 AM
DMcG 19 Mar 19 - 03:47 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 18 Mar 19 - 08:12 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Mar 19 - 07:48 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Mar 19 - 07:40 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Mar 19 - 06:57 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Mar 19 - 06:24 PM
Iains 18 Mar 19 - 03:00 PM
Jim Carroll 18 Mar 19 - 02:14 PM
Iains 18 Mar 19 - 01:13 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 18 Mar 19 - 01:04 PM
Jim Carroll 18 Mar 19 - 12:46 PM
Iains 18 Mar 19 - 12:37 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 18 Mar 19 - 12:28 PM
DMcG 18 Mar 19 - 12:21 PM
Iains 18 Mar 19 - 12:07 PM
Dave the Gnome 18 Mar 19 - 11:58 AM
bobad 18 Mar 19 - 11:46 AM
Jim Carroll 18 Mar 19 - 11:41 AM
Jim Carroll 18 Mar 19 - 10:54 AM
DMcG 18 Mar 19 - 05:31 AM
DMcG 18 Mar 19 - 04:37 AM
Jim Carroll 18 Mar 19 - 04:15 AM
Backwoodsman 18 Mar 19 - 02:46 AM
Nigel Parsons 17 Mar 19 - 08:15 PM
DMcG 17 Mar 19 - 12:27 PM
Iains 17 Mar 19 - 11:41 AM
skarpi 17 Mar 19 - 10:29 AM
DMcG 17 Mar 19 - 08:42 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 17 Mar 19 - 08:02 AM
Steve Shaw 17 Mar 19 - 07:24 AM
The Sandman 17 Mar 19 - 06:06 AM
The Sandman 17 Mar 19 - 06:04 AM
SPB-Cooperator 16 Mar 19 - 06:21 PM
DMcG 16 Mar 19 - 01:33 PM
peteaberdeen 16 Mar 19 - 10:38 AM
DMcG 15 Mar 19 - 12:49 PM
Mrrzy 15 Mar 19 - 12:36 PM
Jim Carroll 15 Mar 19 - 12:11 PM
Steve Shaw 15 Mar 19 - 08:09 AM
DMcG 15 Mar 19 - 08:01 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 15 Mar 19 - 07:55 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 15 Mar 19 - 07:45 AM
Iains 15 Mar 19 - 07:21 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 15 Mar 19 - 07:17 AM
DMcG 15 Mar 19 - 06:59 AM
Nigel Parsons 15 Mar 19 - 06:50 AM
DMcG 15 Mar 19 - 06:48 AM
DMcG 15 Mar 19 - 06:29 AM
Dave the Gnome 15 Mar 19 - 06:09 AM
DMcG 15 Mar 19 - 06:04 AM
Dave the Gnome 14 Mar 19 - 04:52 PM
DMcG 14 Mar 19 - 04:37 PM
Donuel 14 Mar 19 - 03:53 PM
Iains 14 Mar 19 - 03:35 PM
Mrrzy 14 Mar 19 - 03:02 PM
Backwoodsman 14 Mar 19 - 02:34 PM
robomatic 14 Mar 19 - 02:19 PM
DMcG 14 Mar 19 - 02:01 PM
Iains 14 Mar 19 - 01:09 PM
Jim Carroll 14 Mar 19 - 12:12 PM
Backwoodsman 14 Mar 19 - 11:55 AM
Iains 14 Mar 19 - 11:05 AM
Iains 14 Mar 19 - 10:56 AM
Backwoodsman 14 Mar 19 - 10:46 AM
Dave the Gnome 14 Mar 19 - 10:37 AM
Backwoodsman 14 Mar 19 - 10:30 AM
Dave the Gnome 14 Mar 19 - 11:08 AM
Jim Carroll 14 Mar 19 - 10:39 AM
Dave the Gnome 14 Mar 19 - 09:33 AM
Iains 14 Mar 19 - 09:27 AM
The Sandman 14 Mar 19 - 09:21 AM
DMcG 14 Mar 19 - 08:44 AM
Jim Carroll 14 Mar 19 - 08:28 AM
Iains 14 Mar 19 - 07:56 AM
Backwoodsman 14 Mar 19 - 07:45 AM
Jim Carroll 14 Mar 19 - 07:42 AM
Backwoodsman 14 Mar 19 - 07:32 AM
DMcG 14 Mar 19 - 07:19 AM
Iains 14 Mar 19 - 05:59 AM
David Carter (UK) 14 Mar 19 - 05:50 AM
Iains 14 Mar 19 - 05:35 AM
Dave the Gnome 14 Mar 19 - 05:25 AM
DMcG 14 Mar 19 - 05:14 AM
Backwoodsman 14 Mar 19 - 04:41 AM
DMcG 13 Mar 19 - 06:05 PM
Iains 13 Mar 19 - 05:41 PM
Dave the Gnome 13 Mar 19 - 04:32 PM
DMcG 13 Mar 19 - 03:43 PM
DMcG 13 Mar 19 - 03:42 PM
Backwoodsman 13 Mar 19 - 02:21 PM
Dave the Gnome 13 Mar 19 - 01:48 PM
Backwoodsman 13 Mar 19 - 12:38 PM
Backwoodsman 13 Mar 19 - 12:37 PM
DMcG 13 Mar 19 - 12:17 PM
Mossback 13 Mar 19 - 11:48 AM
Backwoodsman 13 Mar 19 - 11:37 AM
Iains 13 Mar 19 - 11:10 AM
Dave the Gnome 13 Mar 19 - 06:47 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 19 - 08:29 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 19 - 05:49 PM
DMcG 12 Mar 19 - 04:04 PM
SPB-Cooperator 12 Mar 19 - 04:02 PM
SPB-Cooperator 12 Mar 19 - 03:57 PM
DMcG 12 Mar 19 - 03:44 PM
Mrrzy 12 Mar 19 - 03:36 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 19 - 03:21 PM
DMcG 12 Mar 19 - 03:14 PM
Dave the Gnome 12 Mar 19 - 03:00 PM
Backwoodsman 12 Mar 19 - 01:02 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 12 Mar 19 - 12:17 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 19 - 12:12 PM
Backwoodsman 12 Mar 19 - 10:59 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Mar 19 - 10:42 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 19 - 10:26 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 19 - 10:15 AM
Iains 12 Mar 19 - 10:09 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 19 - 09:49 AM
Iains 12 Mar 19 - 09:47 AM
DMcG 12 Mar 19 - 02:38 AM
Iains 11 Mar 19 - 05:25 PM
SPB-Cooperator 11 Mar 19 - 08:20 AM
DMcG 11 Mar 19 - 07:44 AM
Raggytash 11 Mar 19 - 06:36 AM
David Carter (UK) 11 Mar 19 - 06:11 AM
Stanron 11 Mar 19 - 06:01 AM
Stanron 11 Mar 19 - 06:00 AM
David Carter (UK) 11 Mar 19 - 05:43 AM
DMcG 11 Mar 19 - 05:24 AM
David Carter (UK) 11 Mar 19 - 05:11 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Mar 19 - 04:31 AM
DMcG 11 Mar 19 - 04:19 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Mar 19 - 03:58 AM
DMcG 11 Mar 19 - 03:01 AM
Mossback 10 Mar 19 - 09:24 PM
Jim Carroll 10 Mar 19 - 07:59 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Mar 19 - 07:46 PM
Dave the Gnome 10 Mar 19 - 05:40 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Mar 19 - 04:31 PM
Dave the Gnome 10 Mar 19 - 03:34 PM
Jim Carroll 10 Mar 19 - 03:26 PM
DMcG 10 Mar 19 - 03:25 PM
Raggytash 10 Mar 19 - 03:14 PM
Dave the Gnome 10 Mar 19 - 02:49 PM
Raggytash 10 Mar 19 - 02:01 PM
Jim Carroll 10 Mar 19 - 12:30 PM
Iains 10 Mar 19 - 12:26 PM
Iains 10 Mar 19 - 12:15 PM
Jim Carroll 10 Mar 19 - 09:25 AM
Backwoodsman 10 Mar 19 - 09:23 AM
Raggytash 10 Mar 19 - 09:06 AM
Iains 10 Mar 19 - 08:34 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Mar 19 - 08:25 AM
Iains 10 Mar 19 - 08:24 AM
David Carter (UK) 10 Mar 19 - 08:17 AM
Backwoodsman 10 Mar 19 - 07:30 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Mar 19 - 07:23 AM
DMcG 10 Mar 19 - 07:01 AM
Iains 10 Mar 19 - 06:40 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Mar 19 - 06:19 AM
Backwoodsman 10 Mar 19 - 02:17 AM
DMcG 09 Mar 19 - 09:10 AM
Backwoodsman 08 Mar 19 - 09:17 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Mar 19 - 08:51 AM
Jim Carroll 08 Mar 19 - 05:27 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Mar 19 - 04:00 AM
Raggytash 07 Mar 19 - 04:51 PM
robomatic 06 Mar 19 - 06:47 PM
Raggytash 06 Mar 19 - 04:21 PM
Iains 06 Mar 19 - 11:12 AM
Iains 06 Mar 19 - 06:06 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Mar 19 - 05:27 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Mar 19 - 05:27 AM
David Carter (UK) 06 Mar 19 - 05:26 AM
DMcG 06 Mar 19 - 04:56 AM
Iains 06 Mar 19 - 04:53 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Mar 19 - 04:27 AM
Backwoodsman 05 Mar 19 - 03:03 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 05 Mar 19 - 02:24 PM
Backwoodsman 05 Mar 19 - 01:56 PM
Jim Carroll 05 Mar 19 - 01:12 PM
David Carter (UK) 05 Mar 19 - 12:21 PM
SPB-Cooperator 05 Mar 19 - 11:09 AM
Jim Carroll 05 Mar 19 - 10:52 AM
Raggytash 05 Mar 19 - 08:04 AM
Raggytash 05 Mar 19 - 08:03 AM
SPB-Cooperator 04 Mar 19 - 01:30 PM
SPB-Cooperator 04 Mar 19 - 01:25 PM
Donuel 04 Mar 19 - 12:56 PM
Backwoodsman 04 Mar 19 - 12:11 PM
DMcG 04 Mar 19 - 09:57 AM
Backwoodsman 04 Mar 19 - 05:40 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Mar 19 - 03:10 AM
Backwoodsman 04 Mar 19 - 02:32 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Mar 19 - 08:23 PM
Stanron 03 Mar 19 - 08:08 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Mar 19 - 07:56 PM
Stanron 03 Mar 19 - 07:34 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Mar 19 - 07:00 PM
Stanron 03 Mar 19 - 06:11 PM
KarenH 03 Mar 19 - 06:00 PM
KarenH 03 Mar 19 - 05:46 PM
KarenH 03 Mar 19 - 05:23 PM
Iains 03 Mar 19 - 03:52 PM
Backwoodsman 03 Mar 19 - 03:39 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 10:51 AM
Backwoodsman 03 Mar 19 - 10:09 AM
Iains 03 Mar 19 - 10:06 AM
SPB-Cooperator 03 Mar 19 - 09:46 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 09:03 AM
Raggytash 03 Mar 19 - 09:02 AM
Iains 03 Mar 19 - 09:01 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 08:33 AM
KarenH 03 Mar 19 - 08:12 AM
Iains 03 Mar 19 - 07:29 AM
Iains 03 Mar 19 - 06:19 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 05:04 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 04:53 AM
DMcG 03 Mar 19 - 04:08 AM
Iains 03 Mar 19 - 04:03 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 19 - 03:15 AM
KarenH 03 Mar 19 - 01:19 AM
KarenH 03 Mar 19 - 01:17 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Mar 19 - 08:33 PM
bobad 02 Mar 19 - 06:54 PM
Steve Shaw 02 Mar 19 - 06:27 PM
Raggytash 02 Mar 19 - 04:30 PM
Iains 02 Mar 19 - 04:09 PM
Raggytash 02 Mar 19 - 03:31 PM
Iains 02 Mar 19 - 10:37 AM
peteaberdeen 02 Mar 19 - 08:42 AM
Raggytash 02 Mar 19 - 07:32 AM
Iains 02 Mar 19 - 06:25 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Mar 19 - 06:24 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Mar 19 - 06:24 AM
Raggytash 02 Mar 19 - 05:35 AM
Iains 02 Mar 19 - 05:14 AM
KarenH 02 Mar 19 - 04:56 AM
DMcG 02 Mar 19 - 04:07 AM
DMcG 02 Mar 19 - 03:43 AM
Iains 02 Mar 19 - 03:36 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Mar 19 - 03:23 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 01 Mar 19 - 09:04 AM
KarenH 01 Mar 19 - 08:46 AM
KarenH 01 Mar 19 - 08:42 AM
KarenH 01 Mar 19 - 08:32 AM
DMcG 01 Mar 19 - 08:12 AM
KarenH 01 Mar 19 - 07:28 AM
KarenH 01 Mar 19 - 07:21 AM
KarenH 01 Mar 19 - 07:14 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 01 Mar 19 - 06:42 AM
DMcG 01 Mar 19 - 04:30 AM
Iains 28 Feb 19 - 11:21 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Feb 19 - 07:10 AM
KarenH 28 Feb 19 - 06:47 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Feb 19 - 06:09 AM
KarenH 28 Feb 19 - 05:31 AM
KarenH 28 Feb 19 - 05:29 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Feb 19 - 05:25 AM
KarenH 28 Feb 19 - 05:23 AM
KarenH 28 Feb 19 - 05:09 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Feb 19 - 01:53 PM
bobad 27 Feb 19 - 01:31 PM
Iains 27 Feb 19 - 01:27 PM
Jim Carroll 27 Feb 19 - 01:15 PM
Jim Carroll 27 Feb 19 - 01:13 PM
Iains 27 Feb 19 - 01:08 PM
Jim Carroll 27 Feb 19 - 12:52 PM
Iains 27 Feb 19 - 11:50 AM
peteaberdeen 27 Feb 19 - 09:37 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Feb 19 - 04:59 AM
KarenH 27 Feb 19 - 04:41 AM
KarenH 27 Feb 19 - 04:25 AM
Iains 27 Feb 19 - 03:47 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Feb 19 - 03:09 AM
Steve Shaw 26 Feb 19 - 05:24 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Feb 19 - 05:23 PM
Iains 26 Feb 19 - 04:57 PM
mayomick 26 Feb 19 - 03:18 PM
Iains 26 Feb 19 - 02:25 PM
Jim Carroll 26 Feb 19 - 02:06 PM
Jim Carroll 26 Feb 19 - 02:02 PM
Jim Carroll 26 Feb 19 - 02:02 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 26 Feb 19 - 01:12 PM
Dave the Gnome 26 Feb 19 - 11:46 AM
DMcG 26 Feb 19 - 08:08 AM
Dave the Gnome 26 Feb 19 - 07:38 AM
Raggytash 26 Feb 19 - 05:41 AM
Iains 26 Feb 19 - 04:50 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Feb 19 - 04:49 AM
The Sandman 26 Feb 19 - 04:10 AM
The Sandman 26 Feb 19 - 04:08 AM
KarenH 26 Feb 19 - 03:27 AM
KarenH 26 Feb 19 - 03:24 AM
KarenH 26 Feb 19 - 03:23 AM
Dave the Gnome 25 Feb 19 - 07:03 PM
Steve Shaw 25 Feb 19 - 06:12 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 25 Feb 19 - 05:58 PM
DMcG 25 Feb 19 - 05:44 PM
Iains 25 Feb 19 - 05:37 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 25 Feb 19 - 05:28 PM
David Carter (UK) 25 Feb 19 - 03:59 PM
Donuel 25 Feb 19 - 02:38 PM
Jim Carroll 25 Feb 19 - 02:37 PM
DMcG 25 Feb 19 - 02:31 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 25 Feb 19 - 02:06 PM
David Carter (UK) 25 Feb 19 - 02:01 PM
Jim Carroll 25 Feb 19 - 01:38 PM
David Carter (UK) 25 Feb 19 - 01:18 PM
KarenH 25 Feb 19 - 01:09 PM
KarenH 25 Feb 19 - 01:06 PM
Iains 25 Feb 19 - 12:30 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 25 Feb 19 - 12:02 PM
KarenH 25 Feb 19 - 10:47 AM
Iains 25 Feb 19 - 07:42 AM
KarenH 25 Feb 19 - 05:30 AM
Iains 24 Feb 19 - 04:26 AM
DMcG 24 Feb 19 - 03:46 AM
KarenH 23 Feb 19 - 06:36 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 23 Feb 19 - 05:32 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 23 Feb 19 - 05:22 PM
Iains 23 Feb 19 - 05:19 PM
David Carter (UK) 23 Feb 19 - 05:12 PM
Raggytash 23 Feb 19 - 05:04 PM
DMcG 23 Feb 19 - 04:52 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 23 Feb 19 - 03:57 PM
Backwoodsman 23 Feb 19 - 03:22 PM
Iains 23 Feb 19 - 03:06 PM
DMcG 23 Feb 19 - 02:56 PM
Iains 23 Feb 19 - 02:46 PM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 02:45 PM
Backwoodsman 23 Feb 19 - 02:36 PM
Nigel Parsons 23 Feb 19 - 02:32 PM
Iains 23 Feb 19 - 02:01 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 23 Feb 19 - 12:04 PM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 11:07 AM
Iains 23 Feb 19 - 10:43 AM
Backwoodsman 23 Feb 19 - 10:24 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 10:12 AM
Raggytash 23 Feb 19 - 09:21 AM
The Sandman 23 Feb 19 - 09:17 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 08:21 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 07:05 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 19 - 07:04 AM
David Carter (UK) 23 Feb 19 - 06:58 AM
Raggytash 23 Feb 19 - 05:34 AM
DMcG 23 Feb 19 - 02:54 AM
Raggytash 22 Feb 19 - 04:14 PM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 19 - 02:04 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 Feb 19 - 12:59 PM
Raggytash 22 Feb 19 - 11:53 AM
Iains 22 Feb 19 - 10:35 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 19 - 08:10 AM
Raggytash 22 Feb 19 - 08:03 AM
Iains 22 Feb 19 - 07:28 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 19 - 06:21 AM
KarenH 22 Feb 19 - 06:17 AM
Iains 22 Feb 19 - 03:34 AM
KarenH 21 Feb 19 - 09:09 AM
David Carter (UK) 20 Feb 19 - 10:55 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Feb 19 - 10:23 AM
Dave the Gnome 20 Feb 19 - 10:12 AM
Donuel 20 Feb 19 - 07:26 AM
DMcG 20 Feb 19 - 07:03 AM
Iains 20 Feb 19 - 05:18 AM
Nigel Parsons 20 Feb 19 - 04:51 AM
Jim Carroll 20 Feb 19 - 04:16 AM
Backwoodsman 20 Feb 19 - 01:42 AM
The Sandman 20 Feb 19 - 12:54 AM
DMcG 19 Feb 19 - 06:00 PM
DMcG 19 Feb 19 - 02:08 PM
Iains 19 Feb 19 - 12:52 PM
Jim Carroll 19 Feb 19 - 12:44 PM
Iains 19 Feb 19 - 12:23 PM
DMcG 19 Feb 19 - 11:02 AM
Backwoodsman 19 Feb 19 - 10:58 AM
Mossback 19 Feb 19 - 10:08 AM
KarenH 19 Feb 19 - 10:03 AM
Backwoodsman 19 Feb 19 - 08:13 AM
Raggytash 19 Feb 19 - 07:38 AM
Steve Shaw 19 Feb 19 - 07:35 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Feb 19 - 07:23 AM
Jim Carroll 19 Feb 19 - 07:12 AM
Nigel Parsons 19 Feb 19 - 06:58 AM
Iains 18 Feb 19 - 01:54 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Feb 19 - 01:43 PM
Jim Carroll 18 Feb 19 - 01:29 PM
Iains 18 Feb 19 - 12:46 PM
Dave the Gnome 18 Feb 19 - 12:26 PM
bobad 18 Feb 19 - 12:16 PM
Iains 18 Feb 19 - 12:16 PM
Jim Carroll 18 Feb 19 - 11:31 AM
Raggytash 18 Feb 19 - 10:09 AM
Jim Carroll 18 Feb 19 - 08:28 AM
DMcG 18 Feb 19 - 07:01 AM
Raggytash 18 Feb 19 - 06:47 AM
Steve Shaw 18 Feb 19 - 05:54 AM
DMcG 18 Feb 19 - 05:42 AM
Raggytash 18 Feb 19 - 05:36 AM
Iains 18 Feb 19 - 05:30 AM
Steve Shaw 17 Feb 19 - 07:49 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Feb 19 - 07:20 PM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 06:25 PM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 06:23 PM
Backwoodsman 17 Feb 19 - 04:33 PM
Backwoodsman 17 Feb 19 - 04:32 PM
Dave the Gnome 17 Feb 19 - 04:30 PM
Raggytash 17 Feb 19 - 04:26 PM
Iains 17 Feb 19 - 03:01 PM
Raggytash 17 Feb 19 - 02:49 PM
Raggytash 17 Feb 19 - 02:48 PM
Raggytash 17 Feb 19 - 02:22 PM
Iains 17 Feb 19 - 01:22 PM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 01:00 PM
Iains 17 Feb 19 - 12:31 PM
Jim Carroll 17 Feb 19 - 11:53 AM
Iains 17 Feb 19 - 10:15 AM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 08:11 AM
Iains 17 Feb 19 - 06:48 AM
Steve Shaw 17 Feb 19 - 05:40 AM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 05:15 AM
Backwoodsman 17 Feb 19 - 04:54 AM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 04:40 AM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 04:39 AM
Iains 17 Feb 19 - 04:27 AM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 04:15 AM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 03:41 AM
Iains 17 Feb 19 - 03:36 AM
DMcG 17 Feb 19 - 03:09 AM
Backwoodsman 17 Feb 19 - 12:56 AM
Steve Shaw 16 Feb 19 - 06:51 PM
Iains 16 Feb 19 - 06:50 AM
peteaberdeen 16 Feb 19 - 06:37 AM
DMcG 16 Feb 19 - 05:02 AM
Steve Shaw 16 Feb 19 - 04:24 AM
Iains 16 Feb 19 - 04:22 AM
Dave the Gnome 16 Feb 19 - 04:05 AM
peteaberdeen 16 Feb 19 - 03:59 AM
DMcG 16 Feb 19 - 03:42 AM
Neil D 16 Feb 19 - 01:49 AM
Backwoodsman 15 Feb 19 - 01:30 PM
Mossback 15 Feb 19 - 01:22 PM
Iains 15 Feb 19 - 08:50 AM
DMcG 15 Feb 19 - 07:54 AM
Backwoodsman 14 Feb 19 - 05:00 PM
Raggytash 14 Feb 19 - 04:11 PM
Jim Carroll 14 Feb 19 - 01:36 PM
Steve Shaw 14 Feb 19 - 07:45 AM
Backwoodsman 14 Feb 19 - 06:58 AM
Jim Carroll 14 Feb 19 - 06:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 14 Feb 19 - 06:29 AM
DMcG 14 Feb 19 - 02:14 AM
Iains 13 Feb 19 - 01:52 PM
Backwoodsman 13 Feb 19 - 01:48 PM
Backwoodsman 13 Feb 19 - 01:48 PM
Dave the Gnome 13 Feb 19 - 01:23 PM
Steve Shaw 13 Feb 19 - 01:12 PM
Backwoodsman 13 Feb 19 - 11:40 AM
Raggytash 13 Feb 19 - 11:17 AM
Backwoodsman 13 Feb 19 - 11:01 AM
DMcG 13 Feb 19 - 10:44 AM
Jim Carroll 13 Feb 19 - 10:23 AM
Iains 13 Feb 19 - 09:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 13 Feb 19 - 08:06 AM
Iains 13 Feb 19 - 06:32 AM
Raggytash 12 Feb 19 - 07:27 PM
Nigel Parsons 12 Feb 19 - 07:06 PM
Iains 12 Feb 19 - 01:20 PM
DMcG 12 Feb 19 - 01:16 PM
Dave the Gnome 12 Feb 19 - 01:12 PM
Nigel Parsons 12 Feb 19 - 01:00 PM
Dave the Gnome 12 Feb 19 - 12:01 PM
Backwoodsman 12 Feb 19 - 11:12 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Feb 19 - 10:58 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Feb 19 - 09:49 AM
Nigel Parsons 12 Feb 19 - 08:47 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Feb 19 - 08:32 AM
Iains 12 Feb 19 - 08:11 AM
DMcG 12 Feb 19 - 08:10 AM
Backwoodsman 12 Feb 19 - 07:59 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Feb 19 - 07:51 AM
Nigel Parsons 12 Feb 19 - 07:29 AM
Iains 12 Feb 19 - 05:42 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Feb 19 - 03:49 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Feb 19 - 07:46 PM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Feb 19 - 03:30 PM
Iains 11 Feb 19 - 02:33 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Feb 19 - 01:15 PM
Iains 11 Feb 19 - 12:35 PM
DMcG 11 Feb 19 - 12:11 PM
Backwoodsman 11 Feb 19 - 12:04 PM
Iains 11 Feb 19 - 06:44 AM
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Iains 11 Feb 19 - 06:28 AM
DMcG 11 Feb 19 - 06:26 AM
DMcG 11 Feb 19 - 04:58 AM
Iains 11 Feb 19 - 04:37 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Feb 19 - 04:01 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Feb 19 - 03:43 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Feb 19 - 03:33 AM
DMcG 11 Feb 19 - 03:28 AM
DMcG 11 Feb 19 - 02:22 AM
Nigel Parsons 10 Feb 19 - 06:55 PM
Nigel Parsons 10 Feb 19 - 06:51 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Feb 19 - 06:48 PM
Nigel Parsons 10 Feb 19 - 06:42 PM
Dave the Gnome 10 Feb 19 - 06:01 PM
Dave the Gnome 10 Feb 19 - 05:58 PM
The Sandman 10 Feb 19 - 05:32 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Feb 19 - 04:46 PM
DMcG 10 Feb 19 - 04:07 PM
DMcG 10 Feb 19 - 04:06 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Feb 19 - 04:02 PM
Iains 10 Feb 19 - 03:38 PM
Raggytash 10 Feb 19 - 02:22 PM
Nigel Parsons 10 Feb 19 - 01:53 PM
DMcG 10 Feb 19 - 07:38 AM
Iains 10 Feb 19 - 06:27 AM
Steve Shaw 10 Feb 19 - 05:58 AM
Iains 10 Feb 19 - 05:44 AM
DMcG 10 Feb 19 - 04:49 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 Feb 19 - 04:40 AM
DMcG 10 Feb 19 - 04:23 AM
Steve Shaw 10 Feb 19 - 04:16 AM
Iains 10 Feb 19 - 04:07 AM
Iains 09 Feb 19 - 01:36 PM
Raggytash 09 Feb 19 - 12:20 PM
Jim Carroll 09 Feb 19 - 12:09 PM
DMcG 09 Feb 19 - 12:00 PM
Backwoodsman 09 Feb 19 - 11:52 AM
Raggytash 09 Feb 19 - 11:43 AM
Jim Carroll 09 Feb 19 - 11:27 AM
DMcG 09 Feb 19 - 10:58 AM
Iains 09 Feb 19 - 10:40 AM
Iains 09 Feb 19 - 10:34 AM
Jim Carroll 09 Feb 19 - 10:07 AM
Backwoodsman 09 Feb 19 - 07:33 AM
KarenH 09 Feb 19 - 07:20 AM
DMcG 09 Feb 19 - 04:13 AM
Iains 09 Feb 19 - 04:08 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Feb 19 - 03:59 AM
DMcG 09 Feb 19 - 03:44 AM
Iains 09 Feb 19 - 03:31 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Feb 19 - 02:59 AM
Backwoodsman 08 Feb 19 - 05:57 PM
Dave the Gnome 08 Feb 19 - 05:29 PM
DMcG 08 Feb 19 - 01:03 PM
Iains 08 Feb 19 - 12:42 PM
Jim Carroll 08 Feb 19 - 12:20 PM
Iains 08 Feb 19 - 11:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Feb 19 - 10:53 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Feb 19 - 10:13 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Feb 19 - 09:56 AM
DMcG 08 Feb 19 - 09:52 AM
Iains 08 Feb 19 - 09:06 AM
KarenH 08 Feb 19 - 07:57 AM
Backwoodsman 08 Feb 19 - 07:28 AM
DMcG 08 Feb 19 - 07:02 AM
Backwoodsman 08 Feb 19 - 06:51 AM
DMcG 08 Feb 19 - 06:45 AM
Iains 08 Feb 19 - 06:31 AM
Backwoodsman 08 Feb 19 - 06:18 AM
Jim Carroll 08 Feb 19 - 05:31 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Feb 19 - 04:25 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Feb 19 - 04:18 AM
Monique 08 Feb 19 - 03:44 AM
Backwoodsman 08 Feb 19 - 03:30 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Feb 19 - 03:26 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Feb 19 - 02:20 PM
DMcG 07 Feb 19 - 01:22 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Feb 19 - 01:16 PM
Jim Carroll 07 Feb 19 - 01:09 PM
Iains 07 Feb 19 - 11:55 AM
Iains 07 Feb 19 - 11:08 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Feb 19 - 10:43 AM
Backwoodsman 07 Feb 19 - 10:22 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 Feb 19 - 10:13 AM
Stanron 07 Feb 19 - 10:01 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 Feb 19 - 09:50 AM
DMcG 07 Feb 19 - 09:50 AM
Stanron 07 Feb 19 - 09:34 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Feb 19 - 09:29 AM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Feb 19 - 09:14 AM
Iains 07 Feb 19 - 09:00 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Feb 19 - 08:26 AM
Jim Carroll 07 Feb 19 - 08:14 AM
Iains 07 Feb 19 - 08:02 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 Feb 19 - 07:59 AM
DMcG 07 Feb 19 - 07:47 AM
Stanron 07 Feb 19 - 07:37 AM
David Carter (UK) 07 Feb 19 - 07:31 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 Feb 19 - 05:59 AM
Iains 07 Feb 19 - 04:23 AM
Iains 07 Feb 19 - 04:16 AM
David Carter (UK) 07 Feb 19 - 03:53 AM
DMcG 07 Feb 19 - 01:34 AM
Stanron 06 Feb 19 - 06:16 PM
DMcG 06 Feb 19 - 05:42 PM
Steve Shaw 06 Feb 19 - 05:32 PM
Raggytash 06 Feb 19 - 05:15 PM
Stanron 06 Feb 19 - 05:01 PM
Senoufou 06 Feb 19 - 03:36 PM
Steve Shaw 06 Feb 19 - 09:59 AM
SPB-Cooperator 06 Feb 19 - 08:53 AM
Thompson 06 Feb 19 - 08:50 AM
DMcG 06 Feb 19 - 08:40 AM
Stanron 06 Feb 19 - 08:18 AM
DMcG 06 Feb 19 - 08:09 AM
Stanron 06 Feb 19 - 08:02 AM
DMcG 06 Feb 19 - 07:31 AM
Iains 06 Feb 19 - 07:23 AM
DMcG 06 Feb 19 - 07:17 AM
Iains 06 Feb 19 - 04:29 AM
Thompson 06 Feb 19 - 02:54 AM
Backwoodsman 06 Feb 19 - 02:52 AM
DMcG 06 Feb 19 - 01:55 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Feb 19 - 08:17 PM
DMcG 05 Feb 19 - 04:46 PM
Iains 05 Feb 19 - 04:37 PM
David Carter (UK) 05 Feb 19 - 04:13 PM
Iains 05 Feb 19 - 03:56 PM
Iains 05 Feb 19 - 03:33 PM
Raggytash 05 Feb 19 - 03:02 PM
DMcG 05 Feb 19 - 01:17 PM
Iains 05 Feb 19 - 10:39 AM
David Carter (UK) 05 Feb 19 - 09:31 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Feb 19 - 07:54 AM
Iains 05 Feb 19 - 07:20 AM
Nigel Parsons 05 Feb 19 - 05:10 AM
Dave the Gnome 05 Feb 19 - 05:03 AM
Iains 05 Feb 19 - 04:38 AM
The Sandman 05 Feb 19 - 04:13 AM
Iains 05 Feb 19 - 03:38 AM
Iains 05 Feb 19 - 03:29 AM
Big Al Whittle 04 Feb 19 - 04:49 PM
Big Al Whittle 04 Feb 19 - 04:46 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Feb 19 - 04:01 PM
Iains 04 Feb 19 - 01:59 PM
Backwoodsman 04 Feb 19 - 01:38 PM
bobad 04 Feb 19 - 12:56 PM
Iains 04 Feb 19 - 12:33 PM
Mossback 04 Feb 19 - 12:33 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Feb 19 - 11:54 AM
Backwoodsman 04 Feb 19 - 07:52 AM
bobad 04 Feb 19 - 07:35 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Feb 19 - 05:07 AM
Iains 04 Feb 19 - 05:00 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Feb 19 - 03:45 AM
peteaberdeen 04 Feb 19 - 03:36 AM
DMcG 04 Feb 19 - 03:32 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Feb 19 - 03:00 AM
DMcG 04 Feb 19 - 01:54 AM
Stanron 03 Feb 19 - 09:40 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Feb 19 - 09:28 PM
DMcG 03 Feb 19 - 06:16 PM
Nigel Parsons 03 Feb 19 - 06:02 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Feb 19 - 03:37 PM
Iains 03 Feb 19 - 02:53 PM
DMcG 03 Feb 19 - 01:08 PM
Iains 03 Feb 19 - 12:43 PM
DMcG 03 Feb 19 - 09:32 AM
Iains 03 Feb 19 - 06:21 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Feb 19 - 05:08 AM
DMcG 03 Feb 19 - 04:56 AM
Iains 03 Feb 19 - 04:22 AM
DMcG 02 Feb 19 - 05:09 PM
Iains 02 Feb 19 - 03:29 PM
Iains 02 Feb 19 - 03:22 PM
DMcG 02 Feb 19 - 02:43 PM
Raggytash 02 Feb 19 - 02:34 PM
Dave the Gnome 02 Feb 19 - 02:19 PM
Backwoodsman 02 Feb 19 - 02:06 PM
Iains 02 Feb 19 - 12:50 PM
peteaberdeen 02 Feb 19 - 12:11 PM
Iains 02 Feb 19 - 10:24 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Feb 19 - 08:14 AM
DMcG 02 Feb 19 - 07:24 AM
Dave the Gnome 02 Feb 19 - 07:18 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Feb 19 - 06:40 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Feb 19 - 06:33 AM
Steve Shaw 02 Feb 19 - 06:26 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Feb 19 - 05:49 AM
Iains 02 Feb 19 - 05:03 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Feb 19 - 03:36 AM
Backwoodsman 02 Feb 19 - 03:32 AM
Backwoodsman 02 Feb 19 - 03:19 AM
Dave the Gnome 02 Feb 19 - 03:14 AM
Backwoodsman 02 Feb 19 - 03:06 AM
Dave the Gnome 02 Feb 19 - 02:44 AM
McGrath of Harlow 01 Feb 19 - 07:13 PM
Backwoodsman 01 Feb 19 - 07:13 PM
Steve Shaw 01 Feb 19 - 06:12 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 19 - 05:40 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 19 - 05:17 PM
Steve Shaw 01 Feb 19 - 04:34 PM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 03:53 PM
Donuel 01 Feb 19 - 03:43 PM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 03:35 PM
Raggytash 01 Feb 19 - 03:17 PM
Raggytash 01 Feb 19 - 03:17 PM
Nigel Parsons 01 Feb 19 - 02:53 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 19 - 02:30 PM
Nigel Parsons 01 Feb 19 - 02:15 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Feb 19 - 02:05 PM
Nigel Parsons 01 Feb 19 - 01:58 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Feb 19 - 01:22 PM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 11:47 AM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 11:43 AM
DMcG 01 Feb 19 - 11:40 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Feb 19 - 10:53 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 19 - 10:34 AM
Nigel Parsons 01 Feb 19 - 09:55 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 19 - 09:48 AM
DMcG 01 Feb 19 - 09:30 AM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 09:20 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 19 - 08:57 AM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 08:46 AM
DMcG 01 Feb 19 - 08:45 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 19 - 08:39 AM
Backwoodsman 01 Feb 19 - 08:30 AM
Steve Shaw 01 Feb 19 - 08:14 AM
DMcG 01 Feb 19 - 08:09 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 19 - 08:02 AM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 07:56 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Feb 19 - 07:41 AM
DMcG 01 Feb 19 - 07:40 AM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 07:36 AM
DMcG 01 Feb 19 - 06:59 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Feb 19 - 06:43 AM
DMcG 01 Feb 19 - 06:30 AM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 04:44 AM
Backwoodsman 01 Feb 19 - 04:42 AM
DMcG 01 Feb 19 - 04:26 AM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 04:16 AM
DMcG 01 Feb 19 - 04:07 AM
Iains 01 Feb 19 - 03:50 AM
Backwoodsman 01 Feb 19 - 02:01 AM
Steve Shaw 31 Jan 19 - 05:46 PM
Backwoodsman 31 Jan 19 - 05:41 PM
Steve Shaw 31 Jan 19 - 05:17 PM
Iains 31 Jan 19 - 04:27 PM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jan 19 - 04:03 PM
Steve Shaw 31 Jan 19 - 04:02 PM
Backwoodsman 31 Jan 19 - 03:37 PM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jan 19 - 03:33 PM
Iains 31 Jan 19 - 03:08 PM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jan 19 - 02:45 PM
DMcG 31 Jan 19 - 01:14 PM
Iains 31 Jan 19 - 12:48 PM
Iains 31 Jan 19 - 12:34 PM
peteaberdeen 31 Jan 19 - 10:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jan 19 - 05:45 AM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jan 19 - 04:12 AM
Iains 30 Jan 19 - 12:44 PM
mayomick 30 Jan 19 - 12:38 PM
mayomick 30 Jan 19 - 12:12 PM
Backwoodsman 30 Jan 19 - 12:08 PM
Backwoodsman 30 Jan 19 - 12:04 PM
mayomick 30 Jan 19 - 12:02 PM
Iains 30 Jan 19 - 11:46 AM
Iains 30 Jan 19 - 11:30 AM
Mossback 30 Jan 19 - 10:37 AM
Dave the Gnome 30 Jan 19 - 09:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 30 Jan 19 - 09:12 AM
Dave the Gnome 30 Jan 19 - 08:29 AM
Iains 30 Jan 19 - 08:24 AM
McGrath of Harlow 30 Jan 19 - 08:14 AM
Dave the Gnome 30 Jan 19 - 06:41 AM
Nigel Parsons 30 Jan 19 - 05:54 AM
Dave the Gnome 30 Jan 19 - 05:31 AM
Backwoodsman 30 Jan 19 - 04:48 AM
Dave the Gnome 30 Jan 19 - 04:19 AM
Backwoodsman 30 Jan 19 - 02:34 AM
DMcG 30 Jan 19 - 02:19 AM
Backwoodsman 30 Jan 19 - 02:00 AM
mayomick 29 Jan 19 - 09:45 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 07:59 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 07:03 PM
bobad 29 Jan 19 - 06:29 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 06:25 PM
Iains 29 Jan 19 - 04:33 PM
DMcG 29 Jan 19 - 04:03 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 03:49 PM
DMcG 29 Jan 19 - 03:42 PM
DMcG 29 Jan 19 - 02:02 PM
Backwoodsman 29 Jan 19 - 01:33 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 01:25 PM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Jan 19 - 01:24 PM
Jim Carroll 29 Jan 19 - 01:08 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 12:39 PM
Iains 29 Jan 19 - 12:21 PM
Jim Carroll 29 Jan 19 - 11:06 AM
Iains 29 Jan 19 - 11:02 AM
Iains 29 Jan 19 - 10:25 AM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 10:14 AM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 10:12 AM
SPB-Cooperator 29 Jan 19 - 09:56 AM
Jim Carroll 29 Jan 19 - 09:35 AM
Iains 29 Jan 19 - 09:22 AM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Jan 19 - 08:56 AM
DMcG 29 Jan 19 - 08:30 AM
Jim Carroll 29 Jan 19 - 08:23 AM
Backwoodsman 29 Jan 19 - 08:10 AM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 08:05 AM
Backwoodsman 29 Jan 19 - 07:56 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Jan 19 - 07:37 AM
Steve Shaw 29 Jan 19 - 07:33 AM
Backwoodsman 29 Jan 19 - 07:20 AM
Jim Carroll 29 Jan 19 - 06:31 AM
DMcG 29 Jan 19 - 06:14 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Jan 19 - 05:04 AM
Iains 29 Jan 19 - 04:59 AM
peteaberdeen 29 Jan 19 - 04:54 AM
Iains 29 Jan 19 - 04:49 AM
SPB-Cooperator 29 Jan 19 - 04:38 AM
Iains 29 Jan 19 - 04:25 AM
Jim Carroll 29 Jan 19 - 04:09 AM
Backwoodsman 29 Jan 19 - 03:35 AM
Jim Carroll 29 Jan 19 - 03:19 AM
DMcG 29 Jan 19 - 02:06 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 19 - 08:22 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 19 - 07:12 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 19 - 05:28 PM
Iains 28 Jan 19 - 04:07 PM
Raggytash 28 Jan 19 - 03:23 PM
DMcG 28 Jan 19 - 03:22 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 19 - 03:07 PM
Dave the Gnome 28 Jan 19 - 03:06 PM
Iains 28 Jan 19 - 02:47 PM
mayomick 28 Jan 19 - 01:27 PM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 01:06 PM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 12:37 PM
Backwoodsman 28 Jan 19 - 12:19 PM
DMcG 28 Jan 19 - 11:51 AM
Raggytash 28 Jan 19 - 10:38 AM
DMcG 28 Jan 19 - 10:33 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 10:17 AM
Raggytash 28 Jan 19 - 10:16 AM
Iains 28 Jan 19 - 10:04 AM
DMcG 28 Jan 19 - 09:08 AM
Iains 28 Jan 19 - 09:03 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 09:03 AM
Jack Campin 28 Jan 19 - 08:57 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 19 - 08:29 AM
Backwoodsman 28 Jan 19 - 08:25 AM
Iains 28 Jan 19 - 08:21 AM
Iains 28 Jan 19 - 08:02 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 19 - 07:35 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 19 - 07:33 AM
Backwoodsman 28 Jan 19 - 07:29 AM
Backwoodsman 28 Jan 19 - 07:26 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 07:26 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 07:24 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jan 19 - 07:23 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 07:18 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 06:48 AM
Iains 28 Jan 19 - 05:50 AM
Backwoodsman 28 Jan 19 - 05:36 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 05:05 AM
Iains 28 Jan 19 - 04:56 AM
Iains 28 Jan 19 - 04:48 AM
Jim Carroll 28 Jan 19 - 02:57 AM
DMcG 28 Jan 19 - 02:05 AM
Steve Shaw 27 Jan 19 - 08:10 PM
Nigel Parsons 27 Jan 19 - 06:02 PM
Nigel Parsons 27 Jan 19 - 05:58 PM
Iains 27 Jan 19 - 03:10 PM
Backwoodsman 27 Jan 19 - 02:14 PM
Donuel 27 Jan 19 - 01:50 PM
Backwoodsman 27 Jan 19 - 12:38 PM
Jim Carroll 27 Jan 19 - 11:22 AM
Iains 27 Jan 19 - 09:31 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Jan 19 - 09:06 AM
Iains 27 Jan 19 - 08:57 AM
Steve Shaw 27 Jan 19 - 08:24 AM
DMcG 27 Jan 19 - 07:54 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 Jan 19 - 07:53 AM
SPB-Cooperator 27 Jan 19 - 07:40 AM
DMcG 27 Jan 19 - 07:37 AM
SPB-Cooperator 27 Jan 19 - 07:29 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 Jan 19 - 07:24 AM
Steve Shaw 27 Jan 19 - 07:22 AM
Iains 27 Jan 19 - 07:12 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Jan 19 - 07:02 AM
DMcG 27 Jan 19 - 06:51 AM
DMcG 27 Jan 19 - 06:49 AM
Iains 27 Jan 19 - 06:43 AM
Iains 27 Jan 19 - 06:38 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Jan 19 - 05:56 AM
Steve Shaw 27 Jan 19 - 05:48 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 Jan 19 - 05:41 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 Jan 19 - 05:37 AM
DMcG 27 Jan 19 - 05:34 AM
DMcG 27 Jan 19 - 05:30 AM
SPB-Cooperator 27 Jan 19 - 05:13 AM
Iains 27 Jan 19 - 05:04 AM
Iains 27 Jan 19 - 04:11 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Jan 19 - 03:47 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Jan 19 - 03:47 AM
DMcG 27 Jan 19 - 02:20 AM
Steve Shaw 26 Jan 19 - 08:04 PM
DMcG 26 Jan 19 - 05:33 PM
Iains 26 Jan 19 - 04:46 PM
Iains 26 Jan 19 - 03:00 PM
DMcG 26 Jan 19 - 02:55 PM
Jim Carroll 26 Jan 19 - 02:41 PM
Iains 26 Jan 19 - 01:26 PM
Iains 26 Jan 19 - 01:16 PM
Jim Carroll 26 Jan 19 - 01:13 PM
Dave the Gnome 26 Jan 19 - 12:43 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Jan 19 - 12:20 PM
Iains 26 Jan 19 - 11:56 AM
DMcG 26 Jan 19 - 11:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 26 Jan 19 - 03:50 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Jan 19 - 03:12 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Jan 19 - 03:05 AM
Dave the Gnome 26 Jan 19 - 02:25 AM
robomatic 25 Jan 19 - 08:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Jan 19 - 07:29 PM
Backwoodsman 25 Jan 19 - 04:02 PM
Raggytash 25 Jan 19 - 04:00 PM
Dave the Gnome 25 Jan 19 - 03:55 PM
Backwoodsman 25 Jan 19 - 03:38 PM
Backwoodsman 25 Jan 19 - 03:35 PM
Dave the Gnome 25 Jan 19 - 02:46 PM
Dave the Gnome 25 Jan 19 - 02:36 PM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 02:27 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Jan 19 - 02:25 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Jan 19 - 02:25 PM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 02:08 PM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 02:04 PM
Dave the Gnome 25 Jan 19 - 01:11 PM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 11:55 AM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 11:20 AM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 11:17 AM
DMcG 25 Jan 19 - 11:17 AM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 11:10 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 11:00 AM
DMcG 25 Jan 19 - 10:17 AM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Jan 19 - 09:42 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 09:39 AM
Backwoodsman 25 Jan 19 - 09:23 AM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 09:16 AM
DMcG 25 Jan 19 - 09:07 AM
Dave the Gnome 25 Jan 19 - 08:47 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 08:33 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 08:28 AM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 08:27 AM
Backwoodsman 25 Jan 19 - 08:22 AM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Jan 19 - 08:10 AM
Big Al Whittle 25 Jan 19 - 07:57 AM
Backwoodsman 25 Jan 19 - 07:52 AM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 06:55 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 06:55 AM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Jan 19 - 06:27 AM
Backwoodsman 25 Jan 19 - 06:02 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 05:51 AM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 05:18 AM
Big Al Whittle 25 Jan 19 - 05:12 AM
Iains 25 Jan 19 - 05:04 AM
Big Al Whittle 25 Jan 19 - 04:53 AM
Dave the Gnome 25 Jan 19 - 04:45 AM
DMcG 25 Jan 19 - 04:39 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 04:10 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 04:06 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jan 19 - 04:00 AM
Big Al Whittle 25 Jan 19 - 03:29 AM
The Sandman 25 Jan 19 - 03:25 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Jan 19 - 09:47 PM
mayomick 24 Jan 19 - 09:09 PM
Steve Shaw 24 Jan 19 - 08:57 PM
Big Al Whittle 24 Jan 19 - 08:37 PM
Steve Shaw 24 Jan 19 - 08:14 PM
Big Al Whittle 24 Jan 19 - 07:56 PM
Steve Shaw 24 Jan 19 - 07:46 PM
Steve Shaw 24 Jan 19 - 07:40 PM
The Sandman 24 Jan 19 - 07:35 PM
Steve Shaw 24 Jan 19 - 07:24 PM
mayomick 24 Jan 19 - 06:55 PM
KarenH 24 Jan 19 - 06:36 PM
mayomick 24 Jan 19 - 06:15 PM
The Sandman 24 Jan 19 - 04:26 PM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Jan 19 - 03:59 PM
Jos 24 Jan 19 - 03:45 PM
Raggytash 24 Jan 19 - 03:12 PM
Jim Carroll 24 Jan 19 - 03:02 PM
robomatic 24 Jan 19 - 02:51 PM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 02:18 PM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 02:16 PM
David Carter (UK) 24 Jan 19 - 02:10 PM
DMcG 24 Jan 19 - 01:01 PM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 12:54 PM
KarenH 24 Jan 19 - 12:50 PM
Jim Carroll 24 Jan 19 - 12:09 PM
DMcG 24 Jan 19 - 12:07 PM
Backwoodsman 24 Jan 19 - 11:38 AM
Backwoodsman 24 Jan 19 - 11:36 AM
Big Al Whittle 24 Jan 19 - 11:30 AM
SPB-Cooperator 24 Jan 19 - 10:38 AM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 10:23 AM
David Carter (UK) 24 Jan 19 - 10:20 AM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 10:10 AM
MikeL2 24 Jan 19 - 10:01 AM
Big Al Whittle 24 Jan 19 - 09:48 AM
SPB-Cooperator 24 Jan 19 - 09:41 AM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 09:36 AM
The Sandman 24 Jan 19 - 08:49 AM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 08:24 AM
bobad 24 Jan 19 - 08:03 AM
DMcG 24 Jan 19 - 07:50 AM
Big Al Whittle 24 Jan 19 - 07:13 AM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 06:49 AM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 06:44 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Jan 19 - 05:48 AM
Iains 24 Jan 19 - 04:34 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 Jan 19 - 04:11 AM
Jim Carroll 24 Jan 19 - 03:48 AM
Backwoodsman 24 Jan 19 - 03:45 AM
Dave the Gnome 24 Jan 19 - 03:16 AM
Jim Carroll 24 Jan 19 - 02:43 AM
DMcG 24 Jan 19 - 01:55 AM
Backwoodsman 24 Jan 19 - 01:46 AM
Big Al Whittle 23 Jan 19 - 11:15 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Jan 19 - 09:10 PM
robomatic 23 Jan 19 - 08:35 PM
SPB-Cooperator 23 Jan 19 - 07:50 PM
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Senoufou 23 Jan 19 - 04:22 PM
Jos 23 Jan 19 - 04:15 PM
Senoufou 23 Jan 19 - 03:32 PM
Backwoodsman 23 Jan 19 - 03:30 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Jan 19 - 03:30 PM
Dave the Gnome 23 Jan 19 - 02:57 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Jan 19 - 02:40 PM
keberoxu 23 Jan 19 - 02:13 PM
Big Al Whittle 23 Jan 19 - 02:07 PM
Iains 23 Jan 19 - 01:55 PM
Jim Carroll 23 Jan 19 - 01:26 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Jan 19 - 01:02 PM
DMcG 23 Jan 19 - 12:50 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Jan 19 - 12:26 PM
Iains 23 Jan 19 - 12:08 PM
keberoxu 23 Jan 19 - 11:06 AM
Backwoodsman 23 Jan 19 - 10:58 AM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Jan 19 - 10:50 AM
Donuel 23 Jan 19 - 10:43 AM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Jan 19 - 10:10 AM
Jack Campin 23 Jan 19 - 09:25 AM
Iains 23 Jan 19 - 08:28 AM
SPB-Cooperator 23 Jan 19 - 08:06 AM
Backwoodsman 23 Jan 19 - 07:10 AM
Backwoodsman 23 Jan 19 - 07:07 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Jan 19 - 05:09 AM
Iains 23 Jan 19 - 04:50 AM
Backwoodsman 23 Jan 19 - 04:31 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Jan 19 - 04:20 AM
David Carter (UK) 23 Jan 19 - 04:17 AM
Iains 23 Jan 19 - 04:15 AM
Big Al Whittle 23 Jan 19 - 02:55 AM
SPB-Cooperator 23 Jan 19 - 12:14 AM
Raggytash 22 Jan 19 - 06:58 PM
Raggytash 22 Jan 19 - 06:13 PM
Steve Shaw 22 Jan 19 - 05:48 PM
The Sandman 22 Jan 19 - 05:31 PM
Steve Shaw 22 Jan 19 - 05:06 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 Jan 19 - 04:49 PM
bobad 22 Jan 19 - 04:49 PM
The Sandman 22 Jan 19 - 04:24 PM
Iains 22 Jan 19 - 04:03 PM
Iains 22 Jan 19 - 03:32 PM
Steve Shaw 22 Jan 19 - 03:29 PM
Steve Shaw 22 Jan 19 - 03:11 PM
The Sandman 22 Jan 19 - 01:38 PM
Iains 22 Jan 19 - 01:09 PM
David Carter (UK) 22 Jan 19 - 12:41 PM
DMcG 22 Jan 19 - 12:33 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Jul 19 - 04:46 AM

I'm the EU elections the brexit party simply took all the votes off ukip. The major swing was away from Labour and Conservative to the pro-remain LibDem, Green and SNP parties.

That no doubt is why the brexit party became the biggest party within the EU.
Your conclusions suggest the title of another Carry On film, "Carry on deluding!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jul 19 - 04:28 AM

I'm the EU elections the brexit party simply took all the votes off ukip. The major swing was away from Labour and Conservative to the pro-remain LibDem, Green and SNP parties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Jul 19 - 04:00 AM

For someone who declares zero confidence in forecasts, you seem quite keen on them for some things like election results.
Well you have to put them in some kind of context.
When opposing parties are polling within 10% of one another predicting outcomes is best left alone. I would suggest 10%is the intrinsic inaccuracy of polls on a sunny day.
It also depends upon the question being asked and where we stand in time relative to the outcome being polled.
To ask voting intentions for a general election today indicates nothing of significance. The same poll a week before may have more meaning.
How much accuracy you assign to a specific poll is dependent upon a variety of factors, but even when outcomes seem certain, surprises can occur. At the end of the day a poll is simply a forecast and is best regarded as having the same accuracy as a weather forecast.
A prime example would be the brexit party. It polls all over the place, seemingly impacted by the state of the tides and phases of the moon. It swept the board for the EU elections, but how likely would similar gains be in a General Election? It would be largely determined by the behaviour of the incoming PM(ie whether perceived as closet remainer or leaver) and by the perceived stance of Labour on Brexit.
The recent local elections showed huge defections from both major parties with a protest vote going to the libdems. The brexit party had no role in those elections and many MPs have defied their electorate on Brexit. Any no confidence vote forcing an election would be the equivalent of turkeys voting for christmas.
This will enable us to see our Mps in their true colours.
Will it be morality or Mammon wins the day?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Jul 19 - 03:08 AM

Sorry about the italics!

There is a fundamental flaw in the survey, by the way. When people are asked who they want running the country, they naturally think of a majority government, since that is the normal situation, and the question implicitly steers them in that direction. The answer to the question 'Which person could get most support from other parties if they were leader of a minority government?' might yield a very different answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Jul 19 - 02:59 AM

Here are two key findings in the link Iains posted. Firstly about Boris


Shifting the focus from those who voted Conservative in 2017 to those who intend to vote Conservative if a new election were called yields very little difference: 60% want him[Johnson] running the Brexit process, 49% want him running the country, and 44% want him in charge of both.


Now about Corbyn:


Figures are rosier among those that say they would vote Labour in an upcoming General Election. Six in ten (62%) would want to see Corbyn running the country, and 47% want to see him in charge of Brexit, while 44% want him running both


We have from other surveys that there is a fairly equal four way split between parties, so the chances of the Conservatives or Labour winning the next election are too close to call at the moment, if those surveys are believed. The great hope for Conservatives is that replacing May with Boris will change this, but that is yet to be proven, especially if Boris does not leave the EU come October 31.

So what those two extracts say is that Johnston has 49% support for running the country after Brexit, and Corbyn 62%.

It doesn't really support the assertion 'poor old compo barely qualifies as an also ran', does it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jul 19 - 02:23 AM

Seems we've moved on from the shady world of Cambridge Analitica and now that that particular brick aimed at those who with Britain to remain in one piece has fallen short of its mark
Anything rather than discuss the mess Brexit has made of both Britain and the Tory Party, it would appear
LIKE THIS ?
OR THIS ?
Jim Caarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 06:12 PM

For someone who declares zero confidence in forecasts, you seem quite keen on them for some things like election results.

I have no real idea how long Johnson would last as PM. It could be a long time, definitely. On the other hand if he finds himself obliged to accept an extension beyond October, his support could disappear overnight. Even without that, if he leaves with no deal and a fraction of the claimed problems come to pass in say the first six months, again he could find his support becomes thin.

For what it is worth, I am not with those who think everything will collapse the day after a no deal. It will take several months for the more serious issues to hit, though there could be a goodly number of problems in the first days or weeks. Providing we don't have severe food shortages or similar, any immediate problems will be dismissed as "teething troubles."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 04:17 PM

Interesting article off the Beeb,concerning a possible General Election triggered by a no confidence vote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49004486

Could be an intriguing outcome after a recent yougov poll where Tories want Boris for the long run, not just Brexit and poor old compo barely qualifies as an also ran.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/07/19/tories-want-boris-long-run-not-just-brexit
and here is a little ditty for compo to warble while sitting in his cabbage patch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DNBKKc8s0k


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 03:33 PM

It is a fairly standard reaction, but it is worth remembering.

The Electoral Commission said it was "disappointed".
"We will now review the full detail of the judgment before deciding on next steps, including any appeal," it said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 03:06 PM

"I wonder if any resignations will emanate from this clearly unfit for purpose quango?"
Grimes won his appeal on spending - no investigation has been carried out on the fact that hs organisation has links with Cambridge Analytica, who have been ipicated in Russian interference with the Brexit vote
It appears that some patriots among us are happy to see unregulated elections on vital issues which allow outside interference in British democracy
CAMBRIDGE ANALITICA AND 'VOTE LEAVE'
MORE DIRTY TRICKS
CHAIRMAN'S APOLOGY - "DESTROYED DATA"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 02:23 PM

The County Court has ruled in favour of Darren Grimes’ appeal, exonerating him of the Electoral Commission’s kangaroo court imposed fine. The Commission’s argument for their egregious fine hinged on Darren’s accidental registering as an individual campaigner rather than a group. The Court has found that this is clearly disproportionate for ticking the wrong box…
Responding to the news, Darren said that “today’s verdict is a victory against the Remain Establishment which has done all it can to try and discredit the biggest electoral victory in this country’s history.”
While the Government spent almost half a million pounds fighting him, crowdfunding aided Darren’s appeal helping to raise over £90,000 to take the fight back to the Remain establishment. The average donation was just £30…

I wonder if any resignations will emanate from this clearly unfit for purpose quango?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 12:56 PM

The discussion in the by-ways of Parliament is getting more and more off the wall. According to the Independent "Senior Tories are considering changing *party rules* to stop Boris Johnson facing a no-confidence vote within the first year of being prime minister, by preventing a vote of no-confidence in the leader being called until they had been in office for at least 12 months."

The Conservative party can introduce any party rule changes it likes. A confidence vote in Parliament is about whether the PM is able to command a majority of the House or not, and is typically called by the opposition. It is not under the control of the Tory party. Now, if it wants to add to the gaiety of the situation by potentially having a Tory PM who is different to the Tory Party leader they can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 12:18 PM

The silliest thing about Johnson's antics with the kipper is that it perfectly illustrates one of the arguments the remainers have been making.

Our kipper supplier was based in the Isle of Man. To sell into the UK, since it is NOT a part of the UK, it has no choice whatsoever but to abide by the regulations the UK sets, unless it wants to cease trading with us. In precisely the same way, UK manufacturers will have no choice but to abide by the EU standards if they wish to sell to it. As far as that is concerned, it matters not a jot whether we are inside the EU or not. Of course, inside we can influence the regulations, whereas outside we cannot. In the UK we can, if we want, have different standards. But unless they are a strict superset of the EU ones, we can't sell to the EU.

A business could choose to have two manufacturing streams - an EU regulated one and an non-EU regulated one. Apart from the wastage arising from that, they would forever be having to prove they have not 'cross-contaminated' the streams, with all the costs that implies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 11:44 AM

The swede is also known as the Swedish turnip, Russian turnip or, in Scotland, just neeps. I think anyone but the most pedantic of nitpickers just spoiling for a fight understands what Raggy meant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 11:24 AM

Easy ...Haggis
Not so.
The rutabaga or swede differs from the turnip (Brassica rapa) in that it is typically larger and yellow-orange rather than white. ... In the north of England and Scotland, the larger, yellow rutabagas are called neeps or swede from folk etymology, while the smaller white turnips are called turnips.
While it is eaten all year round, haggis is particularly associated with Burns Night, when it is traditionally served with "neeps and tatties" (Scots: swede, or rutabaga and potatoes, boiled and mashed separately) and a "dram" (i.e. a glass of Scotch whisky).


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 11:04 AM

Easy ...... Haggis!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 10:38 AM

indeed. does not go well with turnips. but then, what does?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 10:06 AM

Gravitas? Isn't that Swedish smoked fish?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 09:47 AM

no, genuine mistake. if i was going to lie to the nation i would always choose to illustrate my lies with a haddock. other fish lack authenticity, i find, or gravitas


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 09:21 AM

Thanks! There is a pun in there somewhere, I am sure.
Boris. Man alive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 03:24 AM

Apologies! It was Pete, not David, who referred to a haddock!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jul 19 - 03:23 AM

Mrrzy - Boris Johnson (likely our new PM) was telling lies yesterday about the EU, claiming that EU rules force producers of kippers (smoked herrings) in the Isle of Man to pack them for shipping in a certain way when, in fact, no such rule exists in the EU, and the Isle of Man is not a member of the EU.

I think David was being deliberately, amusingly obtuse with his reference to 'haddock'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 06:30 PM

I googled brandishing a haddock and it came back with Tintin. What did I miss?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 04:03 PM

The collapse in the value of the pound since the brexit vote is just the first of the horrendous consequences.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 03:02 PM

telling lies, brandishing a haddock. kissing fat, orange, racist arse - good old england!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 02:57 PM


Any comment about an official government department saying that it will cost an arm and a leg to the UK economy


I would expect simple denial.

Remember how the fall in the value of the pound after the result was just a correction and nothing to do with Brexit? Having seen the sterling movements since Boris/Hunt started talking up a no deal I am surprised we haven't yet been told they are nothing to do with Brexit either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 02:29 PM

And the Chancellor appoints the governor of the Bank of England;
Apr 28, 2019 - The Bank of England got its Brexit forecasts wrong, according to ... Governor Carney

Note, not a think tank of left wing remainers but an official body.

Anymore for tennis?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 02:29 PM

increasingly it seems like we are being led by a group of incompetent fanatics engaged in a crazy project to remove us from our european ties into an impoverished and ignored relationship as the 52nd state of trump's america first USA.

WTFF?

surely this is precisely what no sane citizen would have wanted. yet here we are, with our next PM making up stories while brandishing a haddock and kissing a big, fat, orange, racist arse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 02:19 PM

Any comment about an official government department saying that it will cost an arm and a leg to the UK economy.

Note, not a think tank of left wing remainers but an official body.

Unicorns and pie in sky anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 01:56 PM

One of the interesting things about the vote in the commons today to make proroguing Parliament more difficult arises from the observation that several government ministers abstained.   Now, Boris has said that the cabinet he picks will consist of pro-Brexit enthusiasts - he thinks the remainder inclined ministers have blocked Brexit.

But that forgets the convention that Government ministers (and PPS etc) vote in accordance with the Cabinet decisions. As a result they vote in line with the cabinet consensus, or in rare cases abstain. Those committed enough to resign are quite rare.

So: by forming a cabinet exclusively of pro-Brexit people you actually decrease the pro-Brexit vote in the house: the 'remainers' on the Government payroll are released to vote as they wish, and the pro-Brexit are constrained to vote the way they would anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 01:41 PM

Forecast is a forecast
Truth is truth

The more astute among us recognise there is a vital difference


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 12:12 PM

Another uncomfortable truth came from the Office of Budget Responsibility. To the tune of £30 billion.

Will this forecast from an official government body also be dismissed


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 12:03 PM

.There are far too many uncomfortable truths in this thread for the most die hard of our brexiteers.

Here is one of them:
498 MPs voted to approve the second reading of the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017 to allow the Prime Minister to invoke Article 50 unconditionally. A failure to agree the terms of separation would result in a no deal. This can be defined as a failure by the European Union and the UK to negotiate and conclude an agreement setting out the arrangements for the UK's withdrawal before the Treaties cease to apply.

Now for one of those uncomfortable truths:How many of those MPs were closet remainers and lied to their constituents in order to take office? This should prove interesting come re-selection time for re-election. The electorate will extract it's revenge, make no mistake.
Support will be from the Labour heartlands the Tory shires and wholesale desertion from the Libdems. All Dysoned up by the Brexit party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 19 - 10:46 AM

The shape of politics to come was has been set in the US with Republicans, referring to a black politician, stood up and chanted "send her home"
Reminiscent of a Nuremberg Rally
Anybody who believes this has nothing to do with Brexit and Farage's poster - dream on
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jul 19 - 12:51 PM

There are far too many uncomfortable truths in this thread for the most die hard of our brexiteers. Which is why one in particular keeps trying to get it closed. Luckily, the moderation team are on to him and remove the ill concealed attempts to shut it down. Just ignore him and let the team do their bit to keep this important topic out of the cess pool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jul 19 - 11:11 AM

"Lefties"
A TIMELY REMINDER OF RIGHT AND LEFT
AND ANOTHER
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jul 19 - 02:17 AM

"Which sounds an excellent reason to stay in and use our veto to prevent it."
Absolutely
Beats leaving home like a sulky teenager any day
The EU is a combination of states dominated by a failing system - one that can no longer cater fo all its citizens - the rapidly increasing gap between haves and have nots is an obvious indication of how this is impacting on the people
This system will have to change or it will collapse
Brexit and Trumpism are ploys to divert attention from the effects - "blame someone else for our failures"
Immigrants and Muslims 'the enemy within', have taken the place of Germany's 'Jewish menace' - go dig out Farage's poster to see that message written in big letters
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:48 PM

Do you see a pattern forming here?
Do you think Maastricht is the end point or the start of a journey?
items 2 and three above seem very much like unfinished business to me, and how I see the projected endpoint is not something that I can agree to.


Which sounds an excellent reason to stay in and use our veto to prevent it. As Dave said, being outside that group and squeezed between such a superstate, the US, China and Russia - for example - does not sound a bright move.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:40 PM

DMcG Have you heard of Robert the Bruce and the spider.
A little history from a previous post of mine
The European Economic Community (EEC) was a regional organisation which aimed to bring about economic integration among its member states. It was created by the Treaty of Rome of 1957

By the Maastricht Treaty (formally known as the Treaty on European Union; 1991), which went into force on November 1, 1993, the European Economic Community was renamed the European Community and was embedded into the EU as the first of its three “pillars”

The Treaty of Maastricht (1992) created the European Union as a single body of "three pillars". The pillars consist of the:
1) European Communities(the EEC),
2) Common Foreign and Security Policy
2) Cooperation in Justice and Home affairs.


Do you see a pattern forming here?
Do you think Maastricht is the end point or the start of a journey?
items 2 and three above seem very much like unfinished business to me, and how I see the projected endpoint is not something that I can agree to. YThe pattern I see is evermore integration


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:37 PM

Comparing what could happen in the future with what has already happened since the brexit vote is hardly comparing like with like. Besides which, if Europe does become a "superstate" with its own army, the UK will hardly be in a position to match them either economically or in military strength. I would say if there is any truth in that speculation, which is all it is, we would be in a much better position inside the club than outside.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:27 PM

Those links - and the discussion on Galilleo - confuse countries/the EU with people. Yes, there are some senior people who want an army, or to end vetoes. But there are not the whole EU, and the article on taxation, for example, makes plain most countries are opposed.

It is the same confusion with Galileo, which David C pointed out very clearly. "The UK" does not have expertise in this. Individuals do, and they could easily move elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 01:02 PM

And answer came there none
The fact that Brexit has put Britain into free-fall seems to be an accepted fact, even by the arch-Brexiteers
"When at first you can't succeed - talk about something else", seems to be the order of the day here
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 11:21 AM

1) Europe wants an army
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-14/france-maintains-goal-of-creating-a-european-army-minister

2)Call for EU federal superstate
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/690886/European-Union-Guy-Verhofstadt-MEP-Brexit-EU-superstate

3) EU wants to end veto on foreign policy and taxation and eventually end all vetoes
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/majority-voting-could-see-five-states-decide-eu-taxes-37898614.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ursula-von-der-leyen-eu-commission-president-foreign-policy-veto-qualified-major

Three very good reasons for getting out of Dodge, and all three vehemently denied on here by remainiacs


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 07:17 AM

It's even worse than that really. A lot of what is likely to happen is known and none of it is good. No one has yet come up with any good news as this thread and the ones before it attest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 06:35 AM

They voted for something with not the faintest clue of how they would be affected.

Which is bad, but nothing compared to continuing to insist the unknown must happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 02:46 AM

"”With Brexit nothing has been agreed therefore outcomes cannot be calculated. "
Any Government which does not base its policies on probable outcomes anddoes not plan in advance is not fit to hold office
Any government who pushes through a policy based on a leap in the dark, like Brexit obviously was, deserved to be removed from politics altogether
Nrexit has destabilised the future of Britain for at least two decades (admitted), has undermined the economy, driven away major industries, has divided the British people radically, particularly on the issue of race relations and has rendered the elected leadership totally impotent and at odds with each other
It has divided the elected ruling party into warring factions which has made Britain virtually ungovernable over the last few years and now threatens to destroy what is left of Parliamentary democracy and break up the U.K altogether
No possible decision on Brexit can begin to heal the damage that has already been done
DAMAGE SO FAR
Jim Caarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Jul 19 - 02:02 AM

”With Brexit nothing has been agreed therefore outcomes cannot be calculated. To make forecasts a minimum data set is required, otherwise the exercise is guesswork, and hence futile.( as has been stated here many times)”

And there we have it - confirmation, in two short sentences, of the sheer, unadorned stupidity of the Leave voter, from the mouth of our own arch-BrexShitter. They voted for something with not the faintest clue of how they would be affected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 05:44 PM

so why raise it in relation to Ireland,

1)Because as the Irish Times succinctly said a while back:
"EU tax plan 'is a bigger threat to Ireland than Brexit"

2)Because the financial legislation is already in place or proposed and reasonably accurate forecasts can be made as to the future impact of such changes. Perhaps if Belfast was made a freeport after brexit those American companies most impacted by proposed EU tax harmonisation would simply relocate a hop skip and jump up the coast from Dublin

With Brexit nothing has been agreed therefore outcomes cannot be calculated. To make forecasts a minimum data set is required, otherwise the exercise is guesswork, and hence futile.( as has been stated here many times)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 05:27 PM

That doesn't scan - the syllable count is all wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 05:14 PM

seen elsewhere


(Galileo) Galileo, (Galileo) Galileo, Galileo, Figaro magnifico
But I'm just a poor EU, nobody loves me
He's just a poor EU from a poor family
Spare him the UK from this monstrosity

    Bismillah! We will not let you go!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 03:09 PM

"the UK may have the only key to wind it up."
Ireland is solidly in support of Europe and efforts by Ukip rejects who have attempted to dive a wedge between her and Europe have been totally rejected
The overwhelming feeling here is that the problem is solely Britain and its threat to the Border
Again, advice from a supporter of a policy which has all but destroyed British society and brought Parliamentary democracy to its knees really isn't needed
You have persistently dismissed what may happen to Britain so why raise it in relation to Ireland, for whom you have shown "bogtrotter" level contempt?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 03:03 PM

Interesting that the Irish economy grew by 8.4% last year according to reports on RTE


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 02:57 PM

With regard to things like Galileo, EU companies will recruit British scientists and engineers working on it, holding out the promise of high salaries and shiny new French or German passports. The key people are very mobile.

If I was younger I would go. I may even do so now if I can find the right niche.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 02:09 PM

Ireland's position at number 33 is quite interesting because in terms of GDP per capita Ireland ranks about number 5 in the world rankings.
Should the EU introduce its much touted tax harmonisation rules I suspect Ireland could be very heavily impacted.
The distortion of Ireland's economic statistics (including GNI, GNP and GDP) by the tax practices of some multinationals, led the Central Bank of Ireland to propose an alternative measure (modified GNI or GNI*) to more accurately reflect the "true" state of the economy.

Foreign-owned multinationals continue to contribute significantly to Ireland's economy, making up 14 of the top 20 Irish firms (by turnover), employing 23% of the private sector labour-force, and paying 80% of business taxes.
Given the importance of US multinationals to Ireland's economy (80% of Irish multinational employment, and 14 of the 20 largest Irish firms), the passing of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 is a challenge to Ireland. Parts of the US TCJA are targeted at Irish multinational tax schemes (especially the move to a modern "territorial tax" system, the introduction of a lower FDII tax on intellectual property, and the counter-Irish GILTI tax regime). In addition, the EU's proposed Digital Sales Tax (and stated desire for a Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base), is also seen as an attempt to restrict the use of the Irish multinational tax schemes by US technology firms.

    These impending changes coupled with a potential no deal Brexit will impact the Irish economy very heavily.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 01:50 PM

Galileo Project. a starting point.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/25/what-is-galileo-and-why-are-the-uk-and-eu-arguing-about-it


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 01:44 PM

The EU have the resources to overcome problems - and industry-less Britain can hardly be described as essential to anybody any more

Fact:
In the UK, manufacturing makes up 11% of GVA, 44% of total UK exports, 70% of business R&D, and directly employs 2.6 million people. Despite the decline since the 1970s, when manufacturing contributed 25% of UK GDP, the UK is currently the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world.
Gross Domestic Product of United Kingdom grew 1.4% in 2018 compared to last year. This rate is 4 -tenths of one percent less than the figure of 1.8% published in 2017. The GDP figure in 2018 was $2,828,640 million, leaving United Kingdom placed 5th in the ranking of GDP according to the International Monetary Fund.

Ireland by contrast would rank no 33


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 01:36 PM

I love this thread, lots and lots of intelligent info and only a few childish insults, amazing. I read French and English (British?) papers but get way better analysis here. And while I'm a Mrrican and Trump yada yada, but I feel for you guys, really.
But...
75 years of peace for Europe? What about the former Yugoslavia and all the wars in Africa and the Middle East being fought by European might today?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 12:17 PM

Why spoil the story with a few facts DMcG? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 12:04 PM

The suggestion that UK has the only key is extremely doubtful - is there the slightest evidence for this? According to the statement the agency issued:




The cause of the technical incident is identified and recovery actions are implemented to ensure that the nominal service is resumed as soon as possible while safeguarding quality of the services.

Galileo provides “initial services”, the phase that precedes the “full operational services” phase, since December 2016. Nominal Galileo redundant capabilities and associated service continuity functions are partially affected by on-going major deployment activities towards the Galileo “full operational services”.



Some papers like the Express seem keen to make a meal of it. It does not sound anything out of the ordinary when moving from 'initial services' to 'full operational services'. Obviously, I am sure they would rather it had not happened' but it is common.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 11:15 AM

"the UK may have the only key to wind it up."
Little Brit gloating about other countries problems is hardly going to win them the friends they are going to need to make up for the mass exodus of British businesses
The EU have the resources to overcome problems - and industry-less Britain can hardly be described as essential to anybody any more
Maybe Dyson can help ?
Whoops - nearly forgot - he's pissed off to Singapore
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 10:49 AM

The EU may have the shiny clockwork car but it appears the UK may have the only key to wind it up. I cannot put it any more simply.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 10:05 AM

"the EU may already be starting to regret its decision to freeze the UK out."
Britain chose to leave - it was their decision to "freeze themselves out"
Having your cake and eating it or what !!!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 19 - 09:55 AM

The EU’s Galileo navigation system, set up as a competitor to American GPS and much-trumpeted by Remainers, has now been broken since Friday. Users were sent an advisory notice instructing them to avoid the service. Given that many key parts of the system involve the UK, the EU may already be starting to regret its decision to freeze the UK out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 04:56 PM

Should have been “...but Brexit, the Brexit Party, and the fouls Widdecombe hag specifically, from...”


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 01:49 PM

A superbly-written piece about politics in general, but Brexit, the Brexit Party, and the foul Widdecombe hag, from I See You


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 05:08 AM

Lucky he does not get jail time or offed with extreme prejudice

When Sir Simon McDonald responded to the resignation letter he said
I understand your wish to relieve the pressure on your family

What do you think that meant, in a land of widespread gun ownership? It could mean his family being subjected to loud and vocal mobs harassing them. Or it could mean 'offed with extreme prejudice'.

Not a phrase to use lightly, I feel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 04:40 AM

Seems that the sewer press are getting their bought and paid for lackeys in Parliament to lean on the Met to go soft on the leakers and publishers of the ambassador's accurate and confidential communications. Such as paid Telegraph columnist Boris Johnson, occasional Times columnist and spouse of a Mail hack Michael Gove, and Murdoch lackey Jeremy C Hunt. The weasels are closing ranks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 04:32 AM

Doesn't seem that the ambassador said anything that wasn't in the Muller report anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 04:10 AM

Judging by today's papers there are yet more delights to be had from the ambassador's leaked "postbag". For example: Support for the dodgy dossier on trump/russian collusion.
Seems we went to war on bliar blairs dodgy dossier.
What was the real intent of the trump/russian dossier? Destabilise his presidency and aid a deep state coup?
Jus' like:
the notorious 1953 coup against Iran's democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mosaddeq and nothing to do with the AIOC/BP nationalisation.
Have to admit though, that one went better than the suez fiasco a few years later!

When caught interfering in another country's affairs, simply getting fired is escaping lightly. Lucky he does not get jail time or offed with extreme prejudice. To try to argue Trump interfered in sovereign affairs of the UK is risible. BOOT is on t'other foot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Jul 19 - 03:55 AM

According to today's Sunday Times:


The chairman of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party was last night embroiled in the "Trump files" leak scandal as it emerged that he is in a relationship with the writer whose story brought down Britain’s ambassador to Washington.
Richard Tice, a Brexit Party MEP, is dating Isabel Oakeshott, who last week published leaked diplomatic cables in which Sir Kim Darroch branded Donald Trump "clumsy and inept", forcing Darroch’s resignation when the president announced he would not work with him.

Security sources said a suspect had been identified for the leaks amid "panic" in Whitehall that a "pro-Brexit Kim Philby" figure has been trying to undermine officials not deemed supportive enough of leaving the EU. Scotland Yard and the intelligence services believe a civil servant with access…


(Because it is behind a paid firewall, the article is truncated at that point. The Guardian's comments on the Times article say:


According to the Sunday Times, which cited unnamed government sources, a suspect had been identified and suggestions that it could be the result of a computer hack by a foreign state had been ruled out.
"They think they know who did the leaking," an unnamed government source told the paper. "It's now a case of building a case that will stand up in court. It was someone with access to historical files. They went in and grabbed a range of material. It was quite crude."


I am reminded that on Newsnight a few days ago, Richard Tice was against a police investigation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 02:18 PM

Ok, so totally ignore the fact that I've totally smashed your argument about "Constructive dismissal" and go off on another tangent, ignoring the argument you've failed on.

No you didn't. Trump sounds off, Boris - who now admits he didn't do enough to defend Kim - is more concerned with pleasing Trump than supporting his staff, and Kim sees that his [probable] boss will not support him. That was my argument. It would be a naïve interpretation to think that just because the lack of support from Boris was the immediate cause of the hostile environment that Trump played no part in its construction.


In any case, I am not interested in games of 'who wins the argument'. I make my points, which people can agree with or not. Its up to them. That is one reason why, as I say often, I try to make a point, explain it once (mainly to clarify what it seems I was unclear about first time) and then try to leave it. That allows you, or Iains, or anyone else to have the last word. I don't care either way, I am not keeping score.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 01:57 PM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 04:10 AM
As to sovereignty, I don't see how that enters the matter
Fair enough you can't see it. Most people can, as that Hansard debate shows.


Ok, so totally ignore the fact that I've totally smashed your argument about "Constructive dismissal" and go off on another tangent, ignoring the argument you've failed on.

What more can be expected?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 01:34 PM

Diplomats are supposed to be subservient to world leaders otherwise it would be their fingers on the button
Q - What's the difference between a patriot and a Qusiling
A - ****** if I know, given the sample here
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 01:25 PM

I think, Jim, the response will be that Trump does not claim to be a diplomat. Of course, then they have all the diplomatic reports released by the WikiLeaks business, plus all the commentary from current diplomats that there was not exceptional whatsoever in the language and style of writing of Darroch. Which will be deemed irrelevant, I expect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 01:14 PM

"He is expected to be accurate in his assessments but the language used needs to be tempered."
LIKE THIS ?
Arsekissers of the world unite !!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jul 19 - 04:36 AM

One of the saddest things about BrexShit is the way it has emboldened and given a voice to racists and xenophobes who think it's OK to do things like this.

No doubt written by a Yaxley-Lennon Fan-Boy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 08:04 AM

The ambassador's communications were confidential. Trump has no business even knowing about them. The person who leaked them deserves the most severe punishment. If he had said something uncomplimentary to Trump's face, even something as blinding obvious to everyone as the material he did send in confidence, then I agree that he would have had to go. But he didn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 06:56 AM

That's how you see it. To me, it looks more like the Brexit supporters are unwilling to reflect on how Trump throwing his weight around and our apparent willingness to capitulate shows the vacuousness of the sovereignty claims they have been making.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 04:18 AM

The MPs are all wriggling trying to shift blame.Sovereignty does not enter the equation. The ambassador's goose was cooked. He is expected to be accurate in his assessments but the language used needs to be tempered. His was not. Once it hit the public domain his position was untenable. That is what caused his termination regardless of whether he jumped or was pushed.
Diplomacy is about being diplomatic, the ambassador was not. Had he described you in such terms would you want anything to do with him?
Sovereignty has absolutely nothing to do with the situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 04:10 AM

As to sovereignty, I don't see how that enters the matter

Fair enough you can't see it. Most people can, as that Hansard debate shows.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jul 19 - 03:46 AM

Sorry, Nigel, but you are well aware of the concept of constructive dismissal. For example, Wiki express it it as this:

In employment law, constructive dismissal, also called constructive discharge or constructive termination, occurs when an employee resigns as a result of the employer creating a hostile work environment. Since the resignation was not truly voluntary, it is, in effect, a termination. For example, when an employer places extraordinary and unreasonable work demands on an employee to obtain their resignation, this can constitute a constructive dismissal.

(There are lots of equivalent expressions elsewhere)

Trump behaved as he often does. Boris, given a choice of clearly supporting the ambassador at the risk of crossing Trump, went with Trump. The ambassador found that the hostile environment spoken of above.

But I also notice that the answer you gave made no mention of sovereignty, which was an important part of the question.


Nice quote about 'constructive dismissal', but it doesn't appear to support your argument. It describes such dismissal as caused by the employer, and you were saying Trump caused the registration/dismissal. Trump is/was not the employer of Kim Darroch, so this definition doesn't fit the situation.


As to sovereignty, I don't see how that enters the matter. The UK can still appoint an ambassador, but the country he/she is sent to can still choose whether to interact with that ambassador. The chosen person then needs to be mutually acceptable to the two countries.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 05:55 PM

And. I see you cannot mention sovereignty either, Iains. Here is an extract from the Hansard debate. The views expressed here are quite typical of the whole debate:

===

Tom Tugendhat (Tonbridge and Malling) (Con)
May I first welcome the comments of my friend the right hon. Member for Wolverhampton South East (Mr McFadden) and my right hon. Friend the Minister? This has been a very difficult moment for British diplomacy, and it is worth thinking about why that is so.

This is a direct challenge to a sovereign nation and its ability to nominate its own representative. If sovereignty does not allow a nation to choose its own representative, frankly, what is it but servitude? That is why Britain must stand up for our envoys. If we do not think that they are up to it, we must replace them, but we must not be bullied into seeing them kicked out or silenced. May I therefore ask my right hon. Friend to assure me, and everyone in this House, that Her Majesty’s Government will always stand up for those we send abroad, military or civilian, and back them as necessary, in the interests of the British people and no one else.

====

Most people agree that the leaker should be found and suffer any relevant penalty. Richard Tice, the Brexit Party MEP, speaking on Newsnight last night, did not think the police should be involved in investigating this, and was very much of the "move on and let's appoint a businessman instead of a civil servant" mind set, but almost everyone else seems to take the leak more seriously.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 05:40 PM

I wonder what a knobwhappet is? Even the internet does not offer an explanation. Obviously run out of counter arguments so resorts to the fallback position of the left, so I presume it is some kind of insult.
What a sad little fellow.Most people try to find constructive things to do in their retirement.

I find it no surprise the ambassador resigned. His cover was blown and his usefulness thereby finished. Who in their right mind thinks he could just carry on as normal after trashing the head of state of the country he was assigned to? They must be living in a fantasy world.
    The real question to be answered is who leaked the document and was it transmitted by electronic means or by diplomatic bag. Opinions of that sort of sensitivity should have had the highest levels of security.
It is expected that ambassador's opinions are candid, that is an essential part of their remit. But, by the same token such findings should not be on public view to accompany the bacon and eggs of a sunday breakfast. Those guilty of the leak must be identified and severely punished. Secrecy is an essential part of diplomacy and it is essential that it is maintained, regardless of what his opinions were. They were never meant for public consumption.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 05:09 PM

Who's the fool indeed. I'm not the one going to great lengths to prove a completely nonsensical argument. Knobwhappet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 04:59 PM

Here is a link to the Hansard record of the Parliamentary debate on Kim Dorroch

Most MPs of all parties seem to agree that there is more to it than 'he chose to resign'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 04:43 PM

Proof of the pudding!
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/download/755/referendum_results
Numerically by Ward, Constituency and political party

Sadly not all councils were as "thorough".


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 04:39 PM

Sorry, Nigel, but you are well aware of the concept of constructive dismissal. For example, Wiki express it it as this:

In employment law, constructive dismissal, also called constructive discharge or constructive termination, occurs when an employee resigns as a result of the employer creating a hostile work environment. Since the resignation was not truly voluntary, it is, in effect, a termination. For example, when an employer places extraordinary and unreasonable work demands on an employee to obtain their resignation, this can constitute a constructive dismissal.

(There are lots of equivalent expressions elsewhere)

Trump behaved as he often does. Boris, given a choice of clearly supporting the ambassador at the risk of crossing Trump, went with Trump. The ambassador found that the hostile environment spoken of above.

But I also notice that the answer you gave made no mention of sovereignty, which was an important part of the question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 04:26 PM

Since I said --
I wonder if our resident Brexit supporters are going to explain Trump's ability to force Sir Kim Darroch to resign illustrates our sovereignty.

--- Nigel, Stanron and Iains have all posted on other topics. I assume I was right in thinking they might not want to discuss what this shows and suggests about our sovereignty when dealing the the US.


I didn't comment because it was a false premise. Trump didn't force Darroch to resign. That was his own decision.
However, the fact that Trump was no longer willing to deal with him after his comments were made known makes it unsurprising that Darroch chose to resign.
If any one person (apart from Darroch) was responsible for causing the resignation, I would suggest it was whoever decided to leak the earlier comments, or the newspaper which decided that they were worth publishing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 04:15 PM

Show us how to post a screen dump on Mudcat. PIllock.

1) Take screenshot
2) paste into paint and save as jpeg or any other common format
3) use any suitable ocr freeware to convert the text saved in the paint         file
4) Copy final product into mudcat text box

eg from my laptop

Battery
Overview
100%
See which apps are affecting your battery life


Simples! as Martin said to his man "who is the fool now!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 01:39 PM

Thanks for introducing a bit of sanity cousin McG.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 01:22 PM

Since I said --
I wonder if our resident Brexit supporters are going to explain Trump's ability to force Sir Kim Darroch to resign illustrates our sovereignty.

--- Nigel, Stanron and Iains have all posted on other topics. I assume I was right in thinking they might not want to discuss what this shows and suggests about our sovereignty when dealing the the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 01:10 PM

Show us how to post a screen dump on Mudcat. PIllock.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 01:00 PM

How about s screen dump. Sheesh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 12:35 PM

BTW. Just noticed my tablet power is at 65% but I cannot offer any proof so I guess I could be imagining it.

Sheeesh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 12:32 PM

I don't claim 65%. A YouGov survey does.

Nigel. Fair argument. Unlikely as it seems, there is a slim possibility that some were less than 50%. As there is no proof either way I think we are down to opinions. So, who do I believe? One that is more likely to be correct, given by someone who is not prone to making things up. Or that of a nitpicking pedant with no proof then other way?

Hmmmm. Tough one...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 12:00 PM

Nigel. 65% of Labour voters wanted to remain. Discount Scotland and NI because they all wanted to remain. To have more Labour voters for leave in any English or Welsh constituency it means that in others the remain vote amongst Labour voters must have been massively over 65%. By no statistical or linguistic trick can that be true.
No statistical or linguistic trickery required.
To put it very simply (as that seems to be necessary), if the average Labour vote to remain was 65% (and that is just the result of a poll, not a verified figure) then 65% is an average when considering constituencies. To see one constituency drop below 50% would not seem unlikely. Nor would it be unlikely (in view of the total number of constituencies available) for several constituencies to have less than 50% of their Labour supporters voting remain.
Whether the extremes which make up that 65% average are as broad as I suggest they may be, there is nothing to confirm Steve Shaw's contention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 11:57 AM

Very nice Iains, but it does not tell us which members of the public voted to remain or to stay.

Well let us make an assumption that those that voted for a Labour MP in the 2015 election also maintained their majority vote one year later in the referendum.
I take as an example Birmingham Northfields These figures are actual.

Labour         Richard Burden         17,673         41% in 2015 election
Labour         Richard Burden         23,596         53.2% in 2017 election         Increase 11.6 %
June 2016 Referendum result by wards of Northfields constituency:

       WARD            Renain Leave   Total   Remain Leave

        Kings Norton        4,275        6,643        10,918        
       Longbridge        4,269        8,157        12,426        
        Northfield        5,005        8,151        13,156                
        Weoley         4,785        6,695        11,480        7        18,334   27,256

        59$ voted leave                        
       53% voted labour
That succinctly demonstrate a labour stronghold that voted leave


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 11:18 AM

But overall Leave had 17,410,742 votes which equates to 51.89% of those that voted. What colour shirt or dress they wore on the day is but a distraction, similarly with what way party members voted. It is of no significance that you claim 65% of labour voted to remain
(It is only a polled figure anyway) Remain still lost so the argument is of no significance, as carefully explained on the other thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 09:20 AM

Nigel. 65% of Labour voters wanted to remain. Discount Scotland and NI because they all wanted to remain. To have more Labour voters for leave in any English or Welsh constituency it means that in others the remain vote amongst Labour voters must have been massively over 65%. By no statistical or linguistic trick can that be true. You are clutching at straws.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 06:22 AM

There is no way in which: Just look at the oft quoted Survey on how the country voted. In case you have not got the sense to find it yourselves, here it is again. in case you cannot be arsed to even follow that, the key point is that 65% of Labour voters chose remain. Steve has it right. I don't know how to make it simpler apart from putting it in a Ladybird book. Or the Daily Mail. The majority of Labour voters everywhere chose remain.
can be taken as confirmation of Steve's contention that: There was not a single constituency in which more Labour voters voted leave than remain.
The fact that the YouGov survey says that 65% of the national Labour vote was for remain does not mean that this was the case in every single constituency.
Maybe a Ladybird book is needed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 05:48 AM

Raggtash The figures are very clear, In Birmingham the Brexit vote was broken down into wards and constituencies enabling the breakdown to be studied very thoroughly. Not all councils followed suit so statistical methods had to be employed leading to slight inaccuracies as highlighted in my previous link
It should be obvious to anyone the votes are spread among constituencies.
The only time a gross figure is of any relevance is in a referendum where leave won! In the case of constituencies it is the majority vote within the constituency dictates outcomes as you very well know.
If it makes you feel better to argue what the different figures mean fair enough, but constituency majorities determine outcomes- nothing else. Distorting the outcomes by including those that did not vote may plump up your figures but we can all see the absurdity of such meaningless pastimes


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 19 - 02:41 AM

It makes sense, Stanron. 65% of Labour voters wanted to remain. If the party is not fulfilling their wishes it is little wonder that they will lose some members. Hopefully they have now addressed that issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 04:28 PM

”I don't know how to make it simpler apart from putting it in a Ladybird book. Or the Daily Mail. The majority of Labour voters everywhere chose remain.”

Put it on the side of a big red bus Dave, they’ll believe it then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 04:03 PM

Well, Stanron, I begin by noticing it is from September 2016.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 03:57 PM

OK I see what you are saying. What do you think of this?

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/09/23/labours-losing-leave-voters

from the same source.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 03:39 PM

Just look at the oft quoted Survey on how the country voted. In case you have not got the sense to find it yourselves, here it is again. in case you cannot be arsed to even follow that, the key point is that 65% of Labour voters chose remain. Steve has it right. I don't know how to make it simpler apart from putting it in a Ladybird book. Or the Daily Mail. The majority of Labour voters everywhere chose remain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 02:49 PM

Very nice Iains, but it does not tell us which members of the public voted to remain or to stay.

Furthermore it does not tell us which of those people who may or may not be labour voters voted to stay or remain.

May I suggest that you go back to Steve's original post and try (I know it may be difficult for you) to comprehend exactly what he was saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 02:20 PM

There was not a single constituency in which more Labour voters voted leave than remain. Perhaps you should read more carefully what was typed before hurling your insults around.
As the pantomime dame is wont t osay: OH YES THERE IS !

As I frequently say: I believe in posting facts.
One example Birmingham

Birmingham is divided into ten parliamentary constituencies, each of which elects one Member of Parliament (MP) to the House of Commons.
EU Referendum Results 2016 by Constituency and Ward
    Edgbaston - Preet Gill (Labour)Voted leave
    Erdington - Jack Dromey (Labour)leave
    Hall Green - Mr Roger Godsiff (Labour)
    Hodge Hill - Liam Byrne (Labour)Leave
    Ladywood - Shabana Mahmood (Labour)
    Northfield - Richard Burden (Labour)leave
    Perry Barr - Mr Khalid Mahmood (Labour)leave
    Selly Oak - Steve McCabe (Labour)
    Sutton Coldfield - Mr Andrew Mitchell (Conservative)
    Yardley - Jess Phillips (Labour)

Time for a little reminder:
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 11:31 AM
I was being whimsical. Anyone normal here would have seen that. It’s what we do to politicians, Nigel. I find it devilishly amusing and I don’t expect anyone to think I’m telling the literal truth

Now if we wish to discuss insults;

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 02:34 PM

Come on, mods. You did it with Teribus and you did it with akenaton. This bloke is worse. Make the place sweeter and get rid of him. Surely you've seen enough. And Jim, no responding this time, right?

Noy even your gig and you presume to dictate! You really are insufferable at times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 02:18 PM

Stanron, that link gives no information about which way Labour voters voted in the referendum. That is simply not addressed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 02:12 PM

… And, of course, how it demonstrates we will be able to assert our sovereignty when it comes to any US trade deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 02:11 PM

I wonder if our resident Brexit supporters are going to explain Trump's ability to force Sir Kim Darroch to resign illustrates our sovereignty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 01:43 PM

Is this all lies then?

https://fullfact.org/online/referendum-results-by-constituency/


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 01:05 PM

Not more Labour leave voters than Labour remain voters. We appear to be suffering from a rash of illiteracy around here this afternoon. And we are talking about surveys after the event rather than polls before the event. Of course, no-one can force anyone to tell the truth, but I'd just point out that one individual here who is never on my side of the argument resorts to published polls all the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 12:55 PM

Steve Shaw wrote: There was not a single constituency in which more Labour voters voted leave than remain. Perhaps you should read more carefully what was typed before hurling your insults around.
This is only true because more than 'one' constituency had more leave voters than remainers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 12:50 PM

There was not a single constituency in which more Labour voters voted leave than remain.
As Iains said, a sweeping statement with no referenced back-up.
As the referendum was a secret ballot, no-one knows how the vote was broken down, any polls are just that, and we saw around the referendum just how accurate polls may be (or not).


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 12:49 PM

Thank you Monique


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Monique
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 12:37 PM

Link to the BBC Site


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 11:48 AM

There was not a single constituency in which more Labour voters voted leave than remain. Perhaps you should read more carefully what was typed before hurling your insults around.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 11:42 AM

A report on the BBC website suggests that up to 40,000 jobs could be lost in Northern Ireland if a no-deal Brexit were to occur.

This information is based on analysis from Stormonts Department for the Economy. That is a government department, not anyone who our Brexiteers could describe as tree-hugging leftards or any other such offensive name.

Will any of our Brexiteers have the courage to respond ....... I doubt it.

Could someone please link to the webpage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 03:36 AM

"Did it impact his speeches or prodigious literary output?"
Witten by somebody else and not particularly well delivered


Yet he was awarded the Nobel prize for literature in 1953. I suspect the Nobel Committee know a little more about his standing than an exile that snipes at blighty nearly every opportunity. I am also absolutely certain he was not guilty of plagiarism so wrong again!

It is a matter of public record that .. When demand was high for his newspaper and magazine articles, Churchill employed a ghostwriter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 03:02 AM

Once again. Whether you're in the progressive south or in Labour's northern heartlands, the fact remains that there wasn't a single constituency anywhere in which Labour voters had a majority supporting leave.

Sweeping statements backed by zero evidence is just distracting white noise. Is it whimsy again, or simply an inability to find and construct supporting links? Repeating lies does not make them true

Whereas my easily found and simply constructed link utterly rejects your false assertions


https://fullfact.org/online/referendum-results-by-constituency/


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 02:39 AM

"Did it impact his speeches or prodigious literary output?"
Witten by somebody else and not particularly well delivered
A man in the right place at the right time - no more
Churchill's one outstanding quality was that he opposed the rise of fascism while all his Tory colleagues were happy to look the other way
He was happy to turn out the troops against striking miners - too near home to ignore

Anybody who ignores the latest Trump Circus regarding the new Ambassador and his attacks on the British elected leadership and hasn't been alerted to the dangers of placing the fortunes of Brexit Britain in the hands of the U.S. has to be regarded a Quisling
If I were in any way a nationalist or even a patriot I would regard it a personal insult
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Jul 19 - 02:20 AM

No, what I am saying, and what you are having problems understanding, is that once the UK has control over our fishing grounds, our fishing fleet will see that expansion is worthwhile because the UK can decide who has access to those fishing grounds

As I say fairly often, I like to make a statement, respond, then leave it, so I will not be continuing this subtopic beyond this post. But, I understand that perfectly well, Nigel. The points I raised were that whether you can see opportunities long term or not, such expansion costs money and that has to come from somewhere. Also, unlike many businesses that can grow 1 or 2 percent at a time, the nature of shipping and access to fishing areas make that very much more granular: you have say 3 ships and want to expand to 4: you have to cost-justify a 25% expansion, or not expand. The established traders do not have to build up additional resources and so can bid more for a given level of profit. Now, some of the biggest UK businesses may be able to justify the gamble of investing but then not winning the business. I don't think small ones can.

Then the second point is that while the UK (government) can decide who gets access, there is no reason to believe the UK fishermen will get any sort of preferential treatment: indeed it would not be hard to make the case that the focus should be income to the UK as a whole, not any one specific sector, and therefore it would be wrong to give them such preferential treatment. So any fishermen who voted leave on the grounds it would protect their industry may find it does not work out like that at a personal level.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 08:56 PM

Once again. Whether you're in the progressive south or in Labour's northern heartlands, the fact remains that there wasn't a single constituency anywhere in which Labour voters had a majority supporting leave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 08:18 PM

Leavers believe that the UK, as a nation, is finished,

Sorry, that should be "Remainers believe"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 08:15 PM

That (Raggytash) is the basis of the whole argument. Leavers believe that the UK, as a nation, is finished, and can never be a worthwhile, separate, sovereign, nation,
Brexiteers believe that the UK is capable of functioning outside of the control of the EU.

You have obviously already chosen your side of the argument in complete capitulation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 07:54 PM

Nigel,

I live in what used to be a decent fishing town. The companies who had quotas sold them off to the highest bidder. That that bidder could local, English, British made not the slightest difference to them.

The small number of, mainly men, were laid off, not that they had contracts, they were 'sparehands' laid off after every trip not knowing if they would get on a ship next time it left port.

Your rose colour spectacles will not alter that situation one iota.

Despite some people still holding quotas there is not one trawler that has sailed from this port and hasn't been for 20 years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 07:36 PM

For crying out loud, he is the epitome of the gutter press, except he is not the press, he deals in 'sound bites'on a blog.

That is all he is, a blogger.

There is no depth, no analysis or any credence to his output.

You choose to quote him because he panders to your warped opinion of politics ......... no depth, no analysis and certainly no credence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 07:31 PM

So what you are saying is the UK fishing sector should invest in building up the fleet while it has no income, and will have no guarantee of success in winning a licence in future, and when the time comes to bid, have higher overheads to do with repaying for this new fleet whereas the Spanish (for example) have already covered a substantial part of those debts.

No, what I am saying, and what you are having problems understanding, is that once the UK has control over our fishing grounds, our fishing fleet will see that expansion is worthwhile because the UK can decide who has access to those fishing grounds. It is not a matter of who will "win a license". The UK , as a (once again) sovereign nation, can decide to issue fishing licences for the benefit of UK fishermen.

My previous comment made clear that, in the short term, it might be better to sell 'short term' leases to other countries, while the UK builds up its fishing fleet once more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 04:19 PM

Should be locked away and the key thrown away if he ever gets behind a wheel again - bloody piss artist

But he is still followed by very many MPs and frequently is first with the news politically. When are you going to tire of shooting the messenger rather than the message?

As I recall Winston Churchill was very near a raging alcoholic by the standards of today. Did it impact his speeches or prodigious literary output?
Churchill is held in high esteem for his accomplishments, not how many he could drink under the table.
Do you understand the difference yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 02:56 PM

"and err...driven."
So he should be with all those convictions for drunk driving
Should be locked away and the key thrown away if he ever gets behind a wheel again - bloody piss artist
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 02:18 PM

It is possible that come the next election either a Brexit deal has been agreed or we have left with no deal. In which case cross examining potential candidates on what they wanted to do abut leaving, while ignoring all the other issue would be utterly pointless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 01:58 PM

Must be time to point out again how constituencies voted in the brexit referendum. (and before the usual suspects start their nonsense, the figures below are reasonably accurate assessments. The exact figures are largely irrelevant, the percentages speak for themselves)

In the 2016 EU referendum, 148 Labour constituencies voted to leave, 84 to remain. 247 Conservative constituencies voted to leave, 80 to remain. Best estimates are that 249 Conservative constituencies probably voted to leave, and 81 to remain (based on the 2015 general election seat distribution). This clearly shows that had MPs really represented their constituents Brexit would have occurred long,long ago.

It behoves MPs of both major parties to pay attention to these figures should an election be in the offing. Constituency parties will want very clear statements from their prospective MPs concerning their Brexit position before being selected. Imposing/inflicting candidates just ain't gonna work this next time around for either side of the divide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 01:55 PM

re that 'guido fawkes' bloke. i saw him on question time and was surprised to see how young he is. and dim. and err...driven.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 01:50 PM

All student immigration is good. It is a measure of the strength of the UK higher education sector.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 01:37 PM

. It would probably be worth leasing some of the licences to (say) Spain for a while anyway while the UK fishing fleet gears up

So what you are saying is the UK fishing sector should invest in building up the fleet while it has no income, and will have no guarantee of success in winning a licence in future, and when the time comes to bid, have higher overheads to do with repaying for this new fleet whereas the Spanish (for example) have already covered a substantial part of those debts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 12:00 PM

A new poll by ComRes for the Telegraph today shows that in the event Boris is elected leader of the Conservative Party, the party leads Labour by seven points and would win a 40 seat majority in an election. Under Hunt, the two parties are projected to both be tied on 26% with Labour ahead on seats and the Brexit Party winning 23. Under Boris, the Brexit Party win 0…

We shall see! Recent polls have been flummoxed by the fickle finger of fate, when tested in the ballot box.

Meanwhile back to Labour and the travails of compo corbyn the cabbage patch king: Brought from the pen of truth GUIDO FAWKES
Lifelong Eurosceptic Jeremy Corbyn has finally relented to immense pressure within his party to throw his support fully behind a second referendum and Remaining in the EU. The writing was on the wall for his personal Brexit resistance after Len McCluskey folded last night. One final roll of the dice to try to save his own skin…

Labour say that the Shadow Cabinet has finally agreed on a “settled Brexit position” to:

    “challenge whoever emerges as the leader of the Conservative Party to have the confidence to put their deal to the people in a referendum, with remain on the ballot, in which Labour would campaign for remain.”

Whether this leads to any material change in Corbyn’s day-to-day approach to Brexit remains to be seen…

What they still haven’t clarified is what their policy would be if they actually ended up in Government trying to negotiate Brexit themselves. The Unions’ position is that Labour’s stance in that case would depend on the deal negotiated. Would be strange for them to negotiate a deal and then immediately campaign against it…

They are still the in out hokey cokey party,but increasingly driven by their union paymasters and thus have abandoned vast swathes of their electorate. I suspect come election time there will be carnage.
You could not make it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 11:38 AM

”We have control over immigration from outside the EU, but not from within, which is the comment I made.”

And you’re just making this stuff up, presumably to try to cover up your embarrassment at having been so dopey as to fall for the BrexShit-Bullshit. You really do need to widen your reading, and stop being taken in by the nonsense spouted by the fascist Farage and his cohorts.

From the ONS report, ‘Migration Statistics Quarterly Report May 2019’ - I tried to link to it but the link didn’t work...

”2. Main points

Long-term international net migration, immigration and emigration figures have remained broadly stable since the end of 2016.

Long-term international net migration data show that migrants continued to add to the UK population as an estimated 258,000 more people moved to the UK with an intention to stay 12 months or more than left in the year ending December 2018. Over the year, 602,000 people moved to the UK (immigration) and 343,000 people left the UK (emigration).

EU long-term immigration has fallen since 2016 and is at its lowest since 2013. Non-EU long-term immigration has gradually increased over the last five years to similar levels seen in 2011.

Since 2016, overall long-term immigration to the UK for work has continued to decrease and looking at all available data sources, this has mainly been due to the fall in EU immigration to the UK for work. For non-EU citizens, since 2015, work-related immigration to the UK has remained broadly stable, however, the number of skilled work visas issued has been increasing.

As seen in all available sources, non-EU student immigration has recently risen, after remaining broadly stable between 2013 and 2017. Most non-EU citizens arriving in the UK to study went to university and the number of sponsored applications for universities in the year ending March 2019 was the highest level on record.

The UK granted asylum, alternative forms of leave, or resettlement to 17,304 people in the year ending March 2019, an increase on the previous year. Grants of protection were at their highest number since 2003.”


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 11:32 AM

We can stop anyone entering the UK if there is just cause BWM. But, yes, aside from that, anyone wishing to remain here has to be seen to be self supporting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 10:52 AM

But I don't get this "it would be under the control of the UK, not the EU". What the hell difference does it make. The only difference is that EU politicians are rather more inclined to listen to what people who actually know about the issue than UK ones, who tend to do only what makes them popular, not what is right. Hence if UK politicians are making decisions on fishing quotas, we will end up with empty seas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 10:45 AM

Strictly speaking, the EU rules regarding free movement of people say that we can’t prevent EU citizens from entering the UK, but we can prevent them from remaining - if they are not housed, employed, and self-sufficient within three months, we can send them home.

Unfortunately, successive governments, both Tory and Labour, have neglected to enact that control. That’s the fault of the UK, Sweet FA to do with the EU.

And, of course, free movement works both ways - at least as many U.K. citizens have moved to other EU member-states as vice-versa.

And the UK fishing industry - the large-scale part that was based on the Humber ports and which accounted for the vast majority of fish landed in the U.K. ‘back then’ has gone for ever - it will not come back, no matter whether we Leave, or (please God, let it be so!) Remain.

So your pipe-dream of a re-juvenated, buoyant fishing industry (see what I did there?) is just that - a pipe-dream. Dream on. The piddly-little boats will carry on, but the big boys, the deep-sea fleet that made all the big money, is gone for ever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 09:57 AM

Companies are in the business of making profits, not helping the consumer.

The fisheries thing makes no difference whatsoever to our overall economy. It is, if you'll excuse the pun, a red herring.

We do have control over immigration from the EU and always have had. You fell for that lie and keep repeating it. We can and always have been able to stop anyone from entering the country. The fact that our own government chose not to apply the controls has nothing to do with the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 09:35 AM

What is often overlooked is that 'control of the UK fisheries' means the UK government has a free hand in deciding who gets what rights. It is quite an assumption that the rights will be sold to UK fisheries if the Spanish or whoever are offering the UK government more money for the rights than UK fishing companies.

Yes, but it would be under the control of UK, not of EU. It would probably be worth leasing some of the licences to (say) Spain for a while anyway while the UK fishing fleet gears up to make the most of our waters being back under our control.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 09:31 AM

1. Prices will only decrease if any savings are passed on to the consumer. Which they will not be.
2. Yes, you can have that one. It may benefit that massive section of our economy, the fishing industry.
3. We have control of immigration anyway.


1, That works on the assumption that wholesalers/retailers will profiteer, and that the public won't notice and take their custom elsewhere.
2, O.k. so that's one accepted, maybe we'll stop having comments that nobody ever gives details of benefits from Brexit
3, We have control over immigration from outside the EU, but not from within, which is the comment I made.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 09:23 AM

Here is all you need to know about James Bartholomew.
A BIT MORE HERE
Read and disgust
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 06:49 AM

What is often overlooked is that 'control of the UK fisheries' means the UK government has a free hand in deciding who gets what rights. It is quite an assumption that the rights will be sold to UK fisheries if the Spanish or whoever are offering the UK government more money for the rights than UK fishing companies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 06:37 AM

More arse-wipe fodder. The author of that piece was a brexit party candidate in the European elections. Here is all you need to know about James Bartholomew.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 06:06 AM

From a BrexShit-pushing ‘newspaper’ owned by the billionaire, tax-dodging, BrexShit-supporting Barclay Brothers.

You really are a complete, brainwashed sucker aren’t you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 04:23 AM

Read and Ponder!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/the-eu-has-destroyed-some-of-our-most-prosperous-industries---an/


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 04:03 AM

And before that the north sea herring. British fishermen have a history of fishing out their children's futures for a quick buck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:46 AM

And before Nigs gets around to nitpicking - the exclamation mark after ‘serious’ in my previous post was a typo. Bloody iPad keyboard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:44 AM

The fleets in Grimsby and Hull - the serious! large-scale part of the UK fishing industry - were killed by greedy owners, over-fishing of our own waters, and the Icelandic Cod Wars.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:41 AM

And the fishing bit is a disaster. You take the EU controls off and the British fishermen will fish out the waters within a decade.

The EU fisheries policy is hardly a masterpiece of conservation. It would be a struggle to be any worse when we take back controlof our waters.
https://our.fish/press/north-sea-cod-struggling/

I saw more trawlers in Bearhaven yesterday than I would be able to see in Grimsby. Even the chippy on the docks in Grimsby now uses frozen fish.
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/what-could-happen-grimsbys-fishing-1343767


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:14 AM

And the fishing bit is a disaster. You take the EU controls off and the British fishermen will fish out the waters within a decade.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:10 AM

Nigel.

1. Prices will only decrease if any savings are passed on to the consumer. Which they will not be.
2. Yes, you can have that one. It may benefit that massive section of our economy, the fishing industry.
3. We have control of immigration anyway.

So the three main benefits you quote are unlikely, negligible and untrue. Little wonder they are dismissed. But you still keep rolling them out


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 03:08 AM

Nigel, the food which comes from non-EU countries is at present mostly covered by EU trade agreements, such as LDC agreements. So there will be no cheaper food.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jul 19 - 02:26 AM

On another thread Ians wrote
Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Leadership Contest
From: Iains - PM
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 03:11 PM

DMcG IT seems compo corbyn has been dragged off the fence by his union paymasters. Is that how democracy works for labour? The biggest checquebook dictates policy? Oh Dear!


I think it better addressed here.

It would be much more accurate to say it was the support of the 'Unite' union in particular that allowed Corbyn to stay 'on the fence'. For a long time most unions and most of the members have thought the party should take a stronger remain stance, but at least initially it made sense to recognise that after we leave (or not), we still all have to live on the same island and talk to each other, which led to a more complex and ambiguous stance. However, few people still think that is the best approach, and now believe that its time is over.

As for setting policy, the new position - if it happens - is still in line with the policy set last year, because it was a quite complex set of statements. Nothing unusual in that - there is almost always a stage like this where a general statement needs to be refined into a more precise position and ultimately to down to specific actions. It is essentially the same problem as taking a generic 'Leave means Leave' and working out what exactly that means for the security policy, for instance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 03:42 PM

BrexShitters prefer to keep their perceptions of these real, tangible benefits secret - they've been asked innumerable times in this thread,

Some details have been given many times, but always dismissed by those who asked for the details. So it becomes somewhat pointless to try again, however:
Reduced food prices for food bought from around the world, where we currently have EU imposed tariffs designed to protect the farming communities on mainland Europe
Control of our own fishing waters, rather than allowing the EU to decide on fishing quotas.
The ability to control the number of migrants coming from the EU.
Those are three of the benefits mentioned many times, but doubtless they will be ignored again.

As for So tell us. No wishy-washy nonsense such as ‘Take are cuntry back’,, that phrase is one which you consistently use, but which I haven't seen used by any of the Brexit supporters here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 03:12 PM

What she was ever doing in the Labour party I have no idea, not just a supporter of brexit but of foxhunting too. Probably hanging for all I know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 10:25 AM

Kare Hoey to stand down at next election

Not surprising, given the strength of Remain in her constituency, so she looked likely to lose very badly if she tried again


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 04:05 AM

Top 19 Brexiteers promises (assembled 3 years ago)

This is what we are getting, is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 03:39 AM

Well I agree, David. But clearly, Nigs's exclamation of 'Yippee!' at the prospect of us leaving the EU with or without a deal on 31/10/19, indicates that he sees real, tangible benefits when we leave. However, for some strange, inexplicable reason, he and his fellow BrexShitters prefer to keep their perceptions of these real, tangible benefits secret - they've been asked innumerable times in this thread, and in its predecessors, to set these benefits out for our education but, so far, have failed spectacularly to provide us with this information.

I think we could be forgiven, under the circumstances, for believing they really don't have a clue....


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 02:29 AM

Britain outside the EU would be an impoverished country, with less influence and less respect on the world stage. Its people would be at each other's throats. More unemployment, higher food prices. And not one single benefit. I fail to see how abstract and meaningless constructs like sovereignty (who's exactly?) could possibly compensate for that. Any leader who took us in that direction would be grossly irresponsible, and if fact a traitor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 02:10 AM

No, Nigel, it did not ignore that we are leaving on 31st October, according to the current rules. In fact, the possible strategy I outlined has preventing Parliament acting to stop it happening as its rationale. That is precisely why Boris would want the election called before October 31 but not concluding until afterwards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jul 19 - 02:02 AM

”This appears to ignore the fact that, if there is no further consultaion, and agreement, with the EU, we are leaving on Oct 31st. So in the above scenario, the UK will leave the EU on 31st October.
Yipee!”


Your final expression of joy seems to indicate that you see benefits that we will all feel from leaving. You and your BrexShit Brigade here have been asked repeatedly to enlighten those of us who foresee no benefits whatsoever, what those benefits will be and, thus far, you have all failed completely.

So tell us. No wishy-washy nonsense such as ‘Take are cuntry back’, or ‘sovereignty’, or ‘unelected bureaucrats’ - those are just bags of wind, airships which have been shot down in flames over and over again - give us some of the real, tangible benefits that we will all feel, Leavers and Remainers alike, when we’ve left. God knows, amidst the utter debacle that the Nasty Party have made of what we were told three years ago would be ‘the easiest deal ever’, we’re in desperate need of some good news.

Educate us, do...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 09:03 PM

You wish, Nige, you wish...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 06:32 PM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 10:22 AM Great introduction The Andrew Marr show today:no one, pundit or politician, knows anything and no one can predict where we are heading.
Seems about right.
I could see an election being called in October to be completed on say 7th November. It would effectively prorogue Parliament over the critical period without any special dodgy dealing. Boris could spend the last week or two saying he and the Tories have fulfilled their commitment, shooting the Brexit Party's fox (to a large extent) and also the Lib Dems (what else is their upswing about?) Once the fait is accompli, neither parties' USP survives. The house could not stop an election being called, I think - it would be really difficult for Labour to oppose it, for instance. Boris would only have to hope that the worst disadvantages of Brexit take a few weeks to appear, and stockpiling etc should cope with that.
Then, if they should lose to Labour, the story next time would be "we delivered the no deal and any problems are due to Labour".
About the only thing I can see that would mess that up that would be if the EU pointed out it has always considered an election a reason for an extension, so even though it was not asked for, they give an unconditional extension to, say, 1 week after the voting completes. And I am not at all sure where that would stand in international law.



This appears to ignore the fact that, if there is no further consultaion, and agreement, with the EU, we are leaving on Oct 31st. So in the above scenario, the UK will leave the EU on 31st October.
Yipee!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 02:35 PM

"And Jim, no responding this time, right?"
Right
No need to
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 02:34 PM

Come on, mods. You did it with Teribus and you did it with akenaton. This bloke is worse. Make the place sweeter and get rid of him. Surely you've seen enough. And Jim, no responding this time, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 01:11 PM

Jim, the last post is a perfect example of why you should just ignore it. I think mass deletions are in the offing so just make the mods lives easier.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 01:05 PM

I do not have to drag in lies from other threads to construct an argument. I only post facts. You are nothing but a troublemaker and vexatious bogdweller. You post lies merely to provoke fights. Time for you to take another little vacation. This thread is about Brexit, not about you demonstrating your inability to listen to anyone.Bysie by!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 11:20 AM

"Bend it twist it shake it. Keep demonstrating your abject stupidity jimmie."
I will while it continues to get up your nose Iains
Keep vomiting your Islamophobia to your heart's content and explain where the fact that no compunction whatever is shown when locking up criminals from ethnic backgrounds alongside toe of the most violent racist thugs Britain has ever produced - known racist skinheads, violent extremist right wingers..... all one big happy family to the prison authorities
THe same used to be true when imprisoning homosexuals before gay prode enlightenment
You really aren't the brightest button on the uniform, are you ?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 10:53 AM

At least this has dragged you kicking and screaming out of your "I'm no Tommy Robinson fan"
You made a great issue of obeying the law when it was suggested that survivors of the Grenfell fire be housed temporarily in empty private property - you accused Corbyn of having contempt for the law when he made the suggestion
Now, it appears, you hold the laws you advocate for in contempt if they don't suit your particular brand of politics, while at the same time, suggesting it is unsafe to imprison hard working and upstanding fascists in with Muslims because they might murder him (with the aid of the prison services, presumably)

Bend it twist it shake it. Keep demonstrating your abject stupidity jimmie.
You tell me why the authorities moved robinson to a prison with a large Moslem population? It was hardly to proselytize them now, was it?.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 10:22 AM

Great introduction The Andrew Marr show today:no one, pundit or politician, knows anything and no one can predict where we are heading.

Seems about right.

I could see an election being called in October to be completed on say 7th November. It would effectively prorogue Parliament over the critical period without any special dodgy dealing. Boris could spend the last week or two saying he and the Tories have fulfilled their commitment, shooting the Brexit Party's fox (to a large extent) and also the Lib Dems (what else is their upswing about?) Once the fait is accompli, neither parties' USP survives. The house could not stop an election being called, I think - it would be really difficult for Labour to oppose it, for instance. Boris would only have to hope that the worst disadvantages of Brexit take a few weeks to appear, and stockpiling etc should cope with that.

Then, if they should lose to Labour, the story next time would be "we delivered the no deal and any problems are due to Labour".


About the only thing I can see that would mess that up that would be if the EU pointed out it has always considered an election a reason for an extension, so even though it was not asked for, they give an unconditional extension to, say, 1 week after the voting completes. And I am not at all sure where that would stand in international law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 08:59 AM

"great lads"
STRANGE "FRIEND"
Methinks white man speak with forked tongue
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 08:06 AM

Oddly enough, according to an interview Tommy Robinson gave to the Telegraph and then incorporates into a Wiki article, the prison with the larger Muslim population was the one he favoured....

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binson was attacked by several fellow prisoners in HM Prison Woodhill.[167][168]Following news of the attack, Maajid Nawazwrote to the Secretary of State for Justice, Chris Grayling, asking for Robinson's situation to be urgently addressed.[168][169] Shortly after this incident, Robinson was moved to HM Prison Winchester. Robinson told Jamie Bartlett, a director of the think tank Demos: "In Woodhill, I experienced Islam the gang. [...] In Winchester, I have experienced Islam the religion." Robinson made friends with several Muslim prisoners, referring to them as "great lads [...] I cannot speak highly enough of the Muslim inmates I'm now living with".[170]


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 07:03 AM

So British Justice is bent i favour of left wing politics and anti-racism?
Tell that to the families of Blair Peach, Stephen Lawrence, and every other victim of their institutional racism (self description)
At least this has dragged you kicking and screaming out of your "I'm no Tommy Robinson fan"
You made a great issue of obeying the law when it was suggested that survivors of the Grenfell fire be housed temporarily in empty private property - you accused Corbyn of having contempt for the law when he made the suggestion
Now, it appears, you hold the laws you advocate for in contempt if they don't suit your particular brand of politics, while at the same time, suggesting it is unsafe to imprison hard working and upstanding fascists in with Muslims because they might murder him (with the aid of the prison services, presumably)
You really are a child of the New Britain Brexit, aren't you
Thank you for the picture of what a 'Britain standing on its own feet' has in store for us - and keep it coming
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 06:53 AM

Any good news on Brexit - the Topic of this thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 06:24 AM

The facts are:
1)Tommy Robinson was arrested tried and convicted in 5 hours.(A record for efficiency or premeditation?)
2)He was first jailed in Hull (Moslem percentage 7% of inmates)
3)He was then moved to a prison with a Moslem population of30%(why would the authorities do that I wonder?)
4)On appeal the conviction was quashed.

In May 2018, Robinson was sentenced to 13 months of jail for contempt after live-streaming outside a criminal trial, in violation of reporting restrictions. However, the court of appeal quashed the contempt finding, freeing Robinson after only two months of his sentence. The case was then referred to the attorney general, who stated that it was in the public interest to bring fresh proceedings. Robinson claims that the action against him is politically motivated.

These events raise several questions that should make a rational person think.
1)Is TR gaining too big an audience?
2)Did the authorities act with unseemly haste?
3)Did his move to a jail with a large Moslem population occur through happenstance or was it deliberately engineered? and if so, what was the intent?
4)Is he being pursued because he is a "Far right activist or drawing attention to Moslem grooming gangs? The latter being something the Authorities cannot deny, yet cover up and obfuscate whenever possible.

IF a political motive is not behind the two prosecutions of Tommy Robinson pulling my other leg will reveal it is masquerading as a morris dancer.
The issues raised go far beyond mr robinson. In some ways the issues resemble those surrounding Mr Assange insofar as all is not what it would seem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 05:54 AM

"ittle jimmie still troublemaking! "
The feller who said I was a "troublemaker" also got around to calling me "Little Jimmie" (and the rest of us "kiddies")- you seem to run in packs
You openly supported a racist criminal - you really need to 'stand by your man' before the cock crows thrice if that's what you believe
So Muslims are likely to be murderers
Gets better and better, this Brexit thing
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 05:46 AM

There is one person on here who causes more trouble and has more posts deleted than everyone else put together. And it isn't Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 05:17 AM

little jimmie still troublemaking! If mods hint you have a problem, perhaps you should listen. Mods suggests more than one and there are not that many.
I keep saying that my support of Tommy Robinson extends only to his receiving the same equal treatment under the law as anyone else. I must have corrected your lies at least half a dozen times on here. Still you deliberately misrepresent what I say. Are you stupid, or merely picking a fight as usual? You are a disgrace and this forum is a far happier place without you.

I see the left revealing their true colours by wishing that TR be incarcerated in a prison with a large Moslem component. Obviously too much of a wimp to state the obvious that it would likely result in Tommy Robinson being attacked or even murdered. To make such a statement is utterly disgusting. Do all you lefties think the same way?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 19 - 03:59 AM

"The usual pack of lies off little jimmie. Go look for a fight elsewhere and behave yourself on this forum. We do not need it!"
You most certainly do not need it but, as you speak for no-ne and most people tend to ignore you, it doesn't matter too much

You have had your defence of Robinson put up and you continue to deny it
Robinson is a racist criminal that has been banged up for his criminal activities - what he stands for goes though Brexit like "Blackpool" goes though rock
That cannot be said enough - it is destroying the UK and stands to spread like a malignant disease

"little jimmie"
I've had moderators use belittling terms like that - they make themselves as small as you are, and the long-gone individual you stole it from
Still not impressed
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 02:24 PM

...and whinging about the court case being political.

Isn't it lovely to see the crows coming home to roost.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 02:03 PM

Hopefully Yaxley-Lennon will serve his time in a prison with a large Muslim population. And don't deny it Iains, you were posting links to a petition to free him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 12:22 PM

A comment by Steve over on the Leaderahip reminded me that the Brexit Party announced it was going to launch a legal challenge to the Peterborough result. According to the Fiancial Times "The Brexit party’s challenge must be submitted to the High Court within 21 days of the election being held, by June 27."

Was it submitted by the date?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 11:19 AM

"Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip."
Which is why you pushed his petition around and described his arrest as "Orwellian"
Your value here is that you represent the extremist right who lurked in the shadows and refuses to support the causes you represent
Methinks neo speaks with forked tongue - your history displays what you stand for - have the bottle to stand by it


The usual pack of lies off little jimmie. Go look for a fight elsewhere and behave yourself on this forum. We do not need it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Jul 19 - 03:40 AM

From The Press Gazette:

An Open Democracy journalist has won the right to see tax-funded research produced by Jacob Rees-Mogg's European Research Group after an 18-month Freedom of Information battle.
Jenna Corderoy appeared in front of the First-Tier Tribunal in May to argue there was public interest in seeing the documents because of the Conservative ERG's "significant influence" and role in shaping Government Brexit policy.
The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority is now due to publish the ERG documents by 11 July.


This could be very informative.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 08:41 PM

"Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip."
Which is why you pushed his petition around and described his arrest as "Orwellian"
Your value here is that you represent the extremist right who lurked in the shadows and refuses to support the causes you represent
Methinks neo speaks with forked tongue - your history displays what you stand for - have the bottle to stand by it

"Ann Wiiecome - failed thatcherite who dyd here hair
Who gives a toss what a supporter of Pinochet's friend thinks !!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 08:41 PM

"Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip."
Which is why you pushed his petition around and described his arrest as "Orwellian"
Your value here is that you represent the extremist right who lurked in the shadows and refuses to support the causes you represent
Methinks neo speaks with forked tongue - your history displays what you stand for - have the bottle to stand by it

"Ann Wiiecome - failed thatcherite who dyd here hair
Who gives a toss what a supporter of Pinochet's friend thinks !!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 05:40 PM

Strange - it was you and the Widdecombe harridan I was referring to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 05:32 PM

Mad as a box of frogs. Yes, that certainly describes the EU. That is why the sensible majority voted to leave


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:56 PM

Mad as a box of frogs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:12 PM

The reality is that the largest political party in the EU is the Brexit party, formed in large part as a result of Tommy Robinson being allowed to join ukip and thereby destroying the remaining credibility of ukip.
But do not let facts get in the way of a good rant.

As to the reason for leaving here is a series of reasons from Rumour Mill News no less.


Anne Widdicombe


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 03:34 PM

"He has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit"
He, Farage and Kate Hooey address Brexit crowds outside of Parliament - scumbags like him are the products of Brexit, thriving on the prejudice and populism that gave Britain this mess
FAKE NEWS MAYBE!!!

Understandable to disown him, totally incomprehensible to lie about the obvious
Scum like Robinson ARE WHAT BREXIT IS REALLY ABOUT
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:00 PM

It doesn't matter how many times he might have separately said that the figure was gross, if he did.
I provided three video links above where the gross figure is both stated, and explained, with the uttermost clarity.

Sorry! It cannot be denied.

I wonder why Tommy Robinson is introduced into the thread? He has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit more to do with grooming from a certain ethnic group. Is it because you finally realise that fighting Brexit is a futile gesture? Is young Tommy introduced as a poor distraction subject?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:37 PM

Play ‘Find The Soap’ time for Yaxley-Lennon then!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:12 PM

Tommy Robinson, star of stage, screen and Brexit, has been jailed for contempt of court
"Orwellian" - eh what !!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:54 AM

It wasn't even right as a gross figure. The rebate never leaves the country, it is an amount which reduces the gross figure. Whether I agree with the rebate is another matter,I would rather that more of mytax money went to help the poorer regions of Europe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:49 AM

We were taught at our Catholic grammar school that there were different kinds of lying, and that an important one was lying by omission, which has the intent to deceive. What was daubed on the bus is a classic example of that. It doesn't matter how many times he might have separately said that the figure was gross, if he did. The bus was the tabloid headline-catcher, as it was intended to be, and the word "gross" was nowhere to be seen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 04:40 AM

The figures on the bus were gross, as Boris pointed out numerous times.
Check the link provided previously and below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhwzCuHfAo&feature=youtu.be&t=283
and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AZJfodiVU&feature=youtu.be&t=80
and here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY3RznQSBfw

There was no lie, no deception, as clearly seen with the proof from the horses mouth.
The prosecution was politically motivated, vexatious and without substance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 03:59 AM

Someone is really not getting the concept that lying is about the intention to decieve.

The figure on the bus is intended to create a misleading impression of the amount of additional money that will be available to the UK. Quoting gross rather than net is precisely the issue.

We all have our opinions on the figure on the bus. Nothing is to be gained by debating it further.

On the other hand an understanding of the readiness of Boris Johnson to mislead is relevant, but rather more in the 'Leadership'thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 02:37 AM

Not only does it not include the rebate, it doesn't include the money given to UK participants in valuable EU programmes such as Horizon2020 which no UK government would ever fund (it being a bit too complex for them), And quite frankly, I would rather my tax money went to Eastern Europeans trying to build their society up, than to ignorant people in sink areas of the UK trying to tear theirs down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:35 AM

So there will be an extra £350,000,000 for the NHS! It must be true because Boris said so. And some people still seem to believe him. There's one born every minute ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Monique
Date: 05 Jul 19 - 01:34 AM

"The EU budget at a glance" U.K. 2017.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:35 PM

The figure on the bus is actually correct. As pointed out below it is the gross figure quoted because the rebate is an uncertain variable with no guarantees.

June 22 2016 Boris defending his figures:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=Vp2jUbNtNVA

UK Gross contribution to EU
2011       2012      2013      2014      2015      2016      2017
15,357    15,746    18,135    18,778    19,560    16,996    18,625
Weekly                                  376       326       358
Source HM Treasury


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 05:13 PM

What a surprise! NOT.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 04:55 PM

Quite right, DMcG. The judgement is complex, measured and considered, and the poster who referred to it, and to Staines' blog, has misrepresented it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 02:50 PM

I am not convinced all posters here have read that judicial finding carefully. At no point did it consider whether the claim on the bus was false. In fact, it goes to some lengths to point out that there are many false claims during campaigns. The question that they considered was whether Boris was acting in his capacity as mayor in making the claims, or not. Having decided not, the case falls because he was not 'acting as such' and therefore was outside the legal restrictions of the post. Nothing to do with whether Boris is a hero or villain, a good egg or a bad one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 02:00 PM

A sad Billy-No-Mates, Raggy, his only means of getting hard-on by trolling an Internet forum. Just picture him sitting in his lonely room, tugging his todger in front of his computer screen....

Second thoughts, don't.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:54 PM

What a sad case gentlemen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 01:18 PM

The High Court has issued its final judgment on Boris and the bus and it makes many telling arguments against the laddie that tried to prosecute Boris. It starts by stating the magistrate should have quashed the attempt. The wheels were off this particular bus before the journey even started.
The full text brought to you via that excellent purveyor of accurate reporting MR Guido Fawkes:
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019ewhc-1709-admin-johnson-v-westminster-mags-final.pdf
The judgement totally destroys the arguments on here submitted by the lefties and Boris has his reputation as a fine fellow restored, all buffed up and shiny again. A spiffing summary from the judiciary.
Will Halloween bring us Samhein and the attendance of the ghosts ofBrexit past or Brexit future? Will it be the beginning of a winter of discontent for valiant brexiteers or remainiacs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 04 Jul 19 - 11:27 AM

i've just watched a film of a brexiteer MEP haranguing the parliament - comparing them to slave owners and such. also claiming to speak for britain. this brexit is far worse than futile = its ridiculous, deeply damaging and very embarrassing. they have no shame and no understanding that the fundamentalist no deal they crave would only represent at most a quarter of the views of our more aged and more closed-minded little englanders. sadly - this seems to include both the PM contenders. who will save us all from these eejits?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 12:35 PM

This is a blog I read quite often, because I share a profession with the blogger, or did before I retired. Quite stunning similarity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 12:28 PM

There are people around still fighting WWII in their own minds. Even though they were born years after it ended. And they seem to have forgotten that most of the French and the Polish were on our side. Its lunacy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 11:31 AM

Brexit Party - a futile gesture?

...and childish and embarrassing. Are there really people around who see the EU as our enemy? you can negotiate a deal beneficial to both parties if you remain on good terms. Or just remain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Mossback
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 10:26 AM

And childish into the bargain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 07:17 AM

I never sing during the national anthem. I never sing during anything. Anyone who ever heard me singing would know why.

But I would not turn my back on the national anthem, even of a country whose policies I profoundly disagreed with.

So "shameful, ignorant, disrespectful scrotes" is about the least you could say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jul 19 - 06:26 AM

Brexit Party {{puke}} turned their backs on the playing of the EU Anthem - Beethoven’s ‘Ode to Joy’ - at the opening ceremony of the EU Parliament this morning.

Shameful, ignorant, disrespectful scrotes.

I won’t wait for howls of protest from the mob who bayed for Corbyn’s blood when he didn’t sing during the U.K. Anthem, even though he demonstrated respect by standing when it was played.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 08:03 AM

My time is far far too valuable to waste making futile attempts to cure other's peccadilloes.
Meanwhile:Jeremy Hunt has just given a speech on ‘No Deal’ preparations at Policy Exchange, setting out his ten point plan to leave. It is well known that Hunt campaigned for remaining in the EU in 2016, Hunt now says he accepts the outcome of the referendum and Brexit must be done. Today he is going further and says he wants to ramp up planning for no deal, yet even over the course of the last few months, he has repeatedly hit out at ‘No Deal’
Politician speak with forked tongue? Surely that cannot be so! Anything to get elected. Although I would say if Hunt is elected massive defections will occur to the Brexit party. With Boris this is less likely. Either way my runes suggest a General Electon is in the offing. On current polling the outcome of that is far from certain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:38 AM

Yet another example of "oh look over there" Iains, frankly a disgrace.

I am not anyone's keeper, if you have a problem with someone's post please address that person.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:33 AM

John Seymour (12 June 1914 – 14 September 2004) was a prolific early author in the self-sufficiency movement. He had multiple roles as a writer, broadcaster, environmentalist, agrarian, smallholder and activist; a rebel against: consumerism, industrialisation, genetically modified organisms, cities, motor cars; an advocate for: self-reliance, personal responsibility, self-sufficiency, conviviality (food, drink, dancing and singing), gardening, caring for the Earth and for the soil.
I can think of instances in his books where he would be liable for prosecution for the illegal burial of waste and possible contamination of water courses, although he masqueraded as an ecoloon. Having Q A'd
landfill sites all over the UK from initial construction phase to capping and subsequent gas gathering installations I take a keen professional interest in waste disposal.
Ragwort your time would be better spent instructing your little mate in the construction of links. It would help us separate fact from whimsy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:26 AM

And that the farmer who owns the fields, who probably voted leave like most farmers, receives massive EU subsidies. Crazy world, innit.

And who Hunt is now promising to insulate from their decision by making everyone donate a good part of £6billion to them. Ditto for fishermen.

Crazy world indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:11 AM

It is considered normal, at least amongst intelligent people, to place quotation marks around a quote and provide a source.

I presume you had an education, despite the limited evidence, and had you not used quotation marks and provided a source your work would be marked down. You may even be accused of plagiarism.

So no change there then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:07 AM

Er, John Seymour was involved in agriculture for most of his life, actually, including long spells spent as a sheep farm manager in Africa, a smallholder-farmer in the UK, then later owning and working a farm in Wales and then in Ireland. Like lots of farmers do these days, he found ways of supplementing his income, largely in his case by writing. But before that he showed that it was possible to be self-sufficient on a five-acre parcel of land via good husbandry and diversity and by farming organically before it became fashionable. Others do B&B and holiday cottages, or stable horses, or make cheese, or open up farm shops or cafes. To suggest that he was not a farmer is utterly laughable. However, glad to see that you confirmed in your mind that around half of our barley production is fit only for animal feed. When you marvel at the fields of waving barley this month, reflect on the outrage underlying many of them that's hidden from view. And that the farmer who owns the fields, who probably voted leave like most farmers, receives massive EU subsidies. Crazy world, innit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 07:02 AM

I am sure if you disputed the facts you would use google. Why should I link, others have no need to?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 06:23 AM

No quotation marks there Iains or reference to your source. Very poor could do better 4/10.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 06:10 AM

Seymour may have been a self styled self sufficiency guru, but farmer he was not. He made his money from writing. Real farmers make their money from farming. This dictates they use techniques to maximise growth and hence returns.
   If they did not you would likely starve.


Barley is the second largest arable crop in the UK (after wheat). It remains an important cereal because of its ability to survive in cold and wet conditions, so although it is grown throughout most of the UK, in the north, where growing conditions are most difficult for wheat, it is often the dominant arable crop.

Of the 6.5 million tonnes produced in the UK each year approximately 2 million tonnes are malted by the brewing and distilling trades. About 1.5 million tonnes are exported for the same purpose, often to countries like China that have developed the western taste for beer. The remaining 3 tonnes, i.e. almost half of what we grow, is used for animal feed
The UK is one of few countries in the world that has grown its barley area in the past few decades, with the global barley area declining by 23% in the past 20 years.

More than 93% of malting barley globally is used for beer production, but half the UK crop is used for distilling, feeding the expanding Scottish whisky sector, which is expected to use 1m tonnes of malting barley annually by 2020.

The other half supplies domestic brewers such as Carling brewer Molson Coors, but also underpins exports to maltsters in Europe, who rely on British growers in the south of England to iron out supply deficits from growers on the Continent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 04:25 AM

Sssssshhh....I think you got away with it, DMcG. Someone kindly fixed before Nigs got his arse into gear... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 03:54 AM

SORRY, SORRY, SORRY.

I typed cakism. Not racism!

As auto text fixes go, that is a real humdinger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 03:52 AM

It is mainly about US multinationals applying different standards to their products in Eastern and Western Europe

Moreover, both interpretations are in accordance with the EU regulations, so the debate being raised is whether the EU regulations need to be stricter to reduce this variation. And we all know how supportive the Leavers are of more regulation from the EU. A strong hint of racism, I think, to object to the variation and object to the means to reduce the variation.

But, to stress, both interpretations are to the current EU standards, which are in many cases higher than from outside the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 03:04 AM

Of course our resident right singers have not mentioned the cost to the planet. It may cost less to buy some things from outside the EU but how much damage does it do to the environment to get them here?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 02:39 AM

And US food poisoning deaths are up to 10 times higher than those in the UK:

https://www.sustainweb.org/news/feb18_US_foodpoisoning/


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 01 Jul 19 - 02:37 AM

That link Iains, is to an article with a question mark at the end (which doesn't of course appear in the link). And it is mainly about US multinationals applying different standards to their products in Eastern and Western Europe. It is not about locally produced food. And the horsemeat issue (not right to call it a scandal, horsemeat is as you say not harmful, and in certain countries is the most expensive item on the menu) was an issue of non-compliance by UK and Irish and Romanian producers which was detected by the EU testing regime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 07:46 PM

"Bigger and more efficient farms produce more food per Ha."

Well now, let's see. My view on this was formed decades ago after I'd read an amazing little book by that self-sufficiency guru John Seymour. The title was Bring Me My Bow. John, Gawd bless 'im, was a devoted right-winger who didn't believe in old age pensions or other state benefits. But he told the truth about our food production. To update him, at least half of the barley and wheat production in this country, most of it produced on huge farms that receive astronomical EU subsidies, is unfit for human consumption and is used for animal feed. Poor animals. That production is possible only by dint of massive chemical input. Not only by artificial fertiliser, much of it won via the Haber process, one of the most polluting systems on earth, but also by the use of lethal neonicotinoid insecticides. On the other hand, "smaller and less efficient" farms, often organic, produce excellent quality food though in slightly less amounts than the chemical systems. But it's all useful as human food and it is not produced via highly-polluting inputs. I know which I prefer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 06:05 PM

Exercise left to the reader: There is a proposal from the US ambassador that we should have EU/UK chicken and US chicken both available to the end customer to let them choose which they wish.

Show how this implies either a hard border between NI and the Republic, or one at ports, otherwise known as 'a border in the Irish sea'.

Also explain how the US negotiating objectives on labelling are compatible with this idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 04:11 PM

We buy food from the EU because of its quality.

Food Apatheid in the EU brought to you by the mouthpiece of the left so it's veracity is unassailable. I wonder what side of the divide the UK lies?

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/15/europes-food-apartheid-are-brands-in-the-east-lower-quality-than-in-the-west

This is the same regime that allowed horse meat into the foodchain masquerading as prime beef. (2013 Roumanian horses ended up   as prime beef over parts of Europe. The meat in itself is not harmful other than fraudulent, the concern is phenylbutazone entering the food chain.)
Chickens also pose a risk. Cases of Salmonella Enteritidis acquired in the EU have increased in humans by 3% ... Levels of Campylobacter are high in chicken meat.
US farms are allowed to dip or wash chicken carcasses in water containing chlorine dioxide in order to kill potentially harmful organisms such as E coli, campylobacter and Salmonella on the surface of the meat.
The false argument against chlorine washing is that chlorine is part a processing method that makes up for poorer welfare standards on poultry farms that have sacrificed hygiene for increased production. And so chicken is washed with chlorine to kill off harmful microorganisms that may be present on carcasses.
Animal welfare and food hygiene are two totally separate issues. Conflating the two to play one regulatory regime against another is mendacious


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 02:06 PM

McCluskey has been in hock to the far right for years. Just because you are a trade union leader, doesn't mean you are in any sense a progressive. Look at Jimmy Hoffa.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 01:43 PM

From the BBC website:

Mr McCluskey dismissed reports about Mr Corbyn's health as "fake news".
Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, he said some people were in a "rush" to change Labour's position of "respecting the 2016 referendum and trying to negotiate a deal which would unite the nation".
He blamed "huge mistakes" by Prime Minister Theresa May, a government "incapable" of delivering Brexit and a "well-funded Remain lobby" for turning the Brexit debate "toxic".


I don't know about anyone else on here, but no 'well funded Remain lobby' is paying me anything. Nor are my views set by a propaganda campaign, as I was making the same points before, during and after the referendum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 01:10 PM

At the moment, the UK imports about 30% of its food from the EU and another 10% from the rest of the world. How that equation may change after Brexit will be anybodies guess. The EU will still want the trade but will we?
The single market shows amazing disparities from country to country when it comes to food prices, Ireland is the fourth most expensive country in the EU for Food, costing 20% more than the EU average.
The UK by contrast ranks about 18th, similar to Slovakia, Croatia and Estonia.(I find this ranking surprising but the source is Eurostat)
I also find it surprising the prices in Ireland are so high. With the CAP it would be expected prices would even out over time. This is obviously not the case.
Of the 10.3 million farms in the EU, two thirds are less than 5ha in size, by contrast in the UK av farm size is 57ha. Agricultural land in the UK ranks 4th in the EU by area.
Bigger and more efficient farms produce more food per Ha. I suspect food provision after brexit is a non issue. The EU and CAP both need serious reform. In the UK we need to decide if farmers are to remain farmers or morph into grant aided landscape custodians(like many Irish sheep farmers)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 12:17 PM

We buy food from the EU because of its quality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 12:10 PM

We buy food from the EU because, in part, The EU puts tariffs on non EU food. IF we were no longer bound by EU rules, non EU food would be cheaper. The price of French, Italian, German and Spanish food is kept artificially high because they can't compete on a worldwide stage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 11:44 AM

“Awkward things, facts!”, as our RR-WE is so fond of telling us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 10:31 AM

"The EU sells more to the UK than the UK sells to the EU."


Which goes to show that the UK relies far more on the EU for the goods it needs, than the EU relies on the UK. That stuff they sell includes a large fraction of our food.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 07:57 AM

David C is right. No one trades to lose money, they trade to get the shiny new things. Any form of trade analysis that leaves the shiny things out of the comparison is at best misleading, or potentially worse than useless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 07:55 AM

It's not just profit and loss in business though, Stanron. The balance sheet showing your assets and liabilities is just as important. If you buy something it may be a consumable or it may be capital expenditure, in which case your assets increase. Trading "deficits" are also affected by this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 06:54 AM

In trade the 'deficit' is the difference between how much you buy and how much you sell. You do not make a profit when you buy. You might buy with a profit potential but you can only make a profit when you sell.

The EU sells more to the UK than the UK sells to the EU. If trade fails between us, not that anyone wants that to happen, but if it fails the EU will lose more profit than the UK. You might try some sleight of hand with proportional statistics to make it look less but you would only be fooling yourself.

Also there are at least two types of buying. If you buy to consume there is no profit and no profit potential. If you buy to manufacture, develop or invest you have a potential profit, but that might be seen as a lesser potential profit than if you keep your money in your pocket and wait for a better chance.

Between countries there is always a possibility of trade deficit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 06:30 AM

Trump is one who fails to understand the point of trade, talking about "trade deficits". There is no such thing as a trade deficit, trade is always a two way process. And if money flows one way, lots of nice shiny goods flow the other. Western consumers benefit greatly from trade with China, painted as a deficit by Trump and other western politicians. We get lots of nice shiny products, and all we have to give them is money, which we have, and if we don't we can create.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 04:52 AM

That should have been “one of the founding principles on which Conservatism is based”.

AKA the ‘Robin Hood in Reverse’ principle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 04:32 AM

”Lots of people talk about trade solely in terms of benefits to the producer, as if a consumer is just a resource there to be milked.”

Bingo! The principle of ‘The Upward Flow of Wealth’ - the opposite of the myth of ‘The Trickle-Down Effect’ - on which Conservatism is based.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 04:25 AM

I agree that we often tend to leave consumers out of the calculation, Dave C. And I am hardly pro-Brexit. But if you consider the situation that a high tariff is in place, so we have that negative impact on the consumer already, then my cheese maker is making things cheaper for the consumer, compared to the alternative.

What I wanted to bring out, though, is that many remainers talk as the only beneficiaries are those trading with off shore accounts. It is possible for very much smaller businesses to benefit.


Anyway, that is enough from me about advantages to Brexit. I will return to the positions I regard as tenable: remain or very close alignment with the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 04:00 AM

Complete and utter cop out Iains, you do not have the answer, you have never been able to answer any of the points put to you re Brexit, ever. Now you are trying to pass the blame onto the Moderators.

The act of a scoundrel. Shameless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 03:57 AM

(b) and (c) are definitely not advantages for the consumer. Higher prices for continental produce, and higher prices for UK produce because producers see "opportunities". Inflationary pressures, and a hit on the hard pressed UK consumer. Lots of people talk about trade solely in terms of benefits to the producer, as if a consumer is just a resource there to be milked.

As for me, I will continue to buy French cheese and German and Italian meat products, even if the prices are higher. I will fund this by buying less British stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 02:23 AM

... tend to employ ....

That post was inspired by the thread 'Understanding you political opponents', which unfortunately seems to be everyone defending their own PoV. I thought it was raising some points my opponents might raise that are not simply straw men.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jun 19 - 02:19 AM

As one who thinks we should have remained, and as a poor second to keep as closely aligned the the EU as possible, I don't think it is up to me to point out some possible benefits of Brexit. But since no-one else is, here are a couple that could come about. I am not saying they will, but they could.

(a) All pro-Brexiteers talk about getting trade deals far and wide, and all remainers talk about the importance to EU trade. In terms of environmental considerations, there is something to be said for having less international trade - less aviation pollution, for example.and less waste- the fast fashion may be hard hit, but wearing a tee shirt more often is not inherently a bad thing. Of course, even a 40% rise in costs moves a £10 item to £14, so it is quite possible this just continues. For some time I have been thinking about protectionism as a mechanism for protecting the environment rather than primarily jobs, and it could have a role to play, I feel.

(b) IA while ago I was talking to a local cheese maker who is very small scale - perhapa a hundred chees sales a month.They cheeses are Camembert-Brie style, and mainly sold to the middle classes because of the high cost, relative to supermarket equivalents. He was very happy with the idea that French cheese was more expensive due to tariffs as it opened opportunities for him. He was considering expanding if the market looked right.

(c). In a similar vein, while UK companies that trade internationally may be hard hit, those who trade solely in the UK could do well because of high tariff and waste-avoidance pressures. Of course, should the tariffs be low, or zero, the opposite applies.

Naturally, these local companies rely on having customers with money, so if there are high tariffs there could be a gradual loss if the people employed by international companies lose jobs and then because of their having less to spend the local traders lose customers .. a trickle down effect which may actually happen. Numerically are vastly more such local traders than international companies, though of course they tend to empty very few if any staff, whereas the international companies often employ thousands.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 29 Jun 19 - 02:22 PM

No point in answering your question. My responses seem to be automatically deleted. I guess the truth hurts.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/26/voting-intention-brex-22-con-22-lab-20-lib-dem-19-


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 04:31 PM

Ooooh Iains, you're still avoiding my question :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 02:40 PM

I'll tell you another
About his brother...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 02:35 PM

Jackanory, Jackanory, Jackanory...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 02:25 PM

As things stand we leave at the end of Oct. This is the saint day of St. Wolfgang bishop and Reformer How apposite is that. By that date we will either have a deal or not. The Brussels goblins will have to start proper negotiations.
According to some sources leaving with no deal will lose the EU one million jobs and cost £228billion if Britain rejects deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 02:04 PM

But the tiny cabal of immensely-wealthy tax-avoiders, some of whom own/control the rabidly pro-Brexit media, and who are controlling the entire debacle from the shadows, will be very happy indeed...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 08:12 AM

Femi Oluwole in the Times today. Grateful thanks to "Our Future, Our Choice" for making it public on Facebook.

You know that kid who lied about doing their homework, then instead of apologising, tells the teacher that they never officially set the homework, and that not doing one’s homework is itself educational and looks great on a CV? That’s the kid who grows up to reassure millions of people they can vote to leave the EU without any financial consequences because we hold all the cards and would get a great deal. That’s the kid who, when the negotiations become an international humiliation, tells those same people they voted to leave the EU without a deal. That’s the kid who tells people he can renegotiate a new deal in a few weeks when the first one took two years and after the other side’s negotiators have shut up shop. That’s the kid who never really grew up.

In a Talkradio interview, Boris Johnson set out his prospective Brexit plans. Two of the three are for a no-deal scenario - which is interesting because, in June 2017, he said, “There is no plan for No Deal, because we’re going to get a great deal.” Here they are.

Plan A:

Pass the “best bits” of the Withdrawal Agreement through parliament, then “suspend” the commitment to pay the £39 billion, and then sort out the Irish border in the transition period after we’ve already left.

Even if Parliament agreed to pass a half-agreement, the EU 27 have already said that without the backstop there is no agreement and that it won’t be re-opened. So Boris Johnson’s Brexit plan amounts to little more than flying to Brussels and shouting at the EU Commission’s locked doors really loudly.

The backstop is there to ensure that there is always a system in place to avoid the need for checks on the Irish border. Without that safety lock, if one side pulled out, it could open the door to Ireland’s dark past. The fact that we’re prepared to remove that safety lock at all will make the EU even less willing to change it.

Plan B:

Use GATT 24 to produce a ‘standstill’, meaning the trading arrangements with the EU stay the same whilst we negotiate a new deal.

The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) is a piece of WTO law which allows an exception to the rule that you must apply the same tariffs to everyone you don’t have a trade deal with. The exception is in the case of “an interim agreement necessary for the formation of a customs union or of a free trade area.” That is exactly what our Withdrawal Agreement is. And, at any rate, such an agreement wouldn’t even be deemed “necessary” by the WTO.

So Boris Johnson is basically saying “We don’t need the agreement we’ve just spent two years negotiating, and which the EU has said won’t be changed. Let’s leave with “no deal” and it’ll be fine because I’ll get us a new one in the next few weeks.” Even if he got these magical standstill arrangements, a lot of the trade benefits of the EU come from having the same regulations, so he’d be signing us up to be bound by EU rules for up to 10 years, but without any representation in Brussels anymore. #TakeBackControl

Plan C: No Deal.

Parliament has already voted strongly against No Deal several times. No Deal was much less popular in Parliament than a new referendum. So Parliament won’t allow it. 54% of voters in 2017 voted for Parties who said they would reject a No-Deal Brexit, so Parliament couldn’t deliver No Deal without defying the people who elected it.

Boris Johnson often says we can leave without a deal and then be in a stronger negotiating position. If we haven’t paid the £39 billion settlement, much of which we legally committed ourselves to as EU members, then that’s the first thing the EU27 will demand. Also, if we leave without a deal, trade with those 27 countries gets more expensive due to tariffs and regulatory differences. For the EU, trade will only get more expensive with one country. If we’re too weak now, what do you think will happen when we’re the only economy in the world with no trade deals with its geographic neighbours? Who’ll be more desperate?

The only way out of this mess is a referendum between a solid deal and EU membership. But Johnson keeps ducking scrutiny (which, by the way, is why OFOC is putting 2000 rubber ducks outside his campaign office on Thursday). To be fair, this mystery man would make an amazingly consistent prime minister: three whole Brexit plans and each one is doomed to be an international failure… Goddamn, that’s impressive.


It would be funny if it wasn't so catastrophic!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 08:00 AM

I'm feeling in a generous mood so I thought I'd give Iains a little help to answer my questions. So here you go Iains.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/27/brexit-fantasy-boris-johnson-jeremy-hunt


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 07:07 AM

Nobody is suggesting paying reparations. They are suggesting paying off debts which have been incurred on programmes which the UK signed up to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 06:11 AM

"Compared to Labour, even you must admit, the official Conservative Brexit policy is a masterpiece of crystal clear lucidity!"

I might agree if you would tell us just what is the official Conservative Brexit policy, but as yet you have failed to do so.

"What reparations, if any, will we pay to the EU, What are we going to do with European citizens residing in the UK, what will our relationship with Europe regarding Security be, what are we going to do regarding fishing, farming, banking, insurance and a multitude of other issues."

You state that "Reparations will not be paid" is that official Conservative party policy?

Back to you. Please answer the questions this time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 06:00 AM

Raggy, are you aware of Albert Einstein’s spot-on definition of ‘insanity’? Applies perfectly here. He hasn’t a single clue, and hasn't the cojones to confess it, so he constantly resorts to deflection. It’s what R-WEs do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 05:48 AM

I have stated before:
Reparations will not be paid(Reparation. The compensation for war damage paid by a defeated state.)
I have also stated before I do not believe in scrying, divination or cleromancy. Perhaps I need to use chlorine washed chicken bones to make it work.

Compared to Labour, even you must admit, the official Conservative Brexit policy is a masterpiece of crystal clear lucidity!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 05:14 AM

Nice try Iains but my questions reiterated on the 19th came after you said the Labor party had no policy on Europe.

"So perhaps you could tell us if we are going to leave on the 31st October, before that date, after that date, with a deal, without a deal. What reparations, if any, will we pay to the EU, What are we going to do with European citizens residing in the UK, what will our relationship with Europe regarding Security be, what are we going to do regarding fishing, farming, banking, insurance and a multitude of other issues."

As I also asked then "Any coherent, cohesive and consistent Conservative Brexit policy yet"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 19 - 01:41 AM

As some seem incapable of finding it themselves, here is the oft repeated question from Raggytash

So perhaps you could tell us if we are going to leave on the 31st October, before that date, after that date, with a deal, without a deal. What reparations, if any, will we pay to the EU, What are we going to do with European citizens residing in the UK, what will our relationship with Europe regarding Security be, what are we going to do regarding fishing, farming, banking, insurance and a multitude of other issues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jun 19 - 05:30 PM

Any answer to my question of the 19th Iains ............. ????

I Assume you mean more project fear by a guardian hack Jon Henley.An EU correspondent based in Paris.(below)

1.UK growth tipped to slow as firms run down stockpiles
2.Divided, pessimistic, angry: survey reveals bleak mood of pre-Brexit UK
3.UK businesses urged to step up preparations for no-deal Brexit
4.Varadkar: removing Irish backstop would be as bad as no-deal Brexit
5.No deal is “extremely serious” for Northern Ireland, warns Tory MP
6.Brexit “shambles” has ruined UK’s reputation, says senior diplomat
7.Food Standards Agency struggling to prepare for Brexit, say auditors
8.Third of Britons say they avoid news out of Brexit frustration
UK jobs growth slows amid Brexit uncertainty
9. UK job growth slows amid Brexit uncertainty


Wild unsubstantiated allegations and opinions.The only point with a grounding in reality is Number 4 but that is applicable to the Irish Republic, not the north, and it is Varadkar saying it. The economy may shrink up to 8% and the State risks a return to dramatic public expenditure cuts and possibly 50000 more unemployed
and the south will have to police the border. Ireland has been played for a sucker by the EU and now reality is sinking in. Varakar has stirred the pot for months and the resultant mess of pottage is now giving his electorate severe indigestion. I doubt he will be re elected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jun 19 - 04:27 PM

Any answer to my question of the 19th Iains ............. ????


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jun 19 - 04:22 PM

Latest You Gov survey of voting intent should there be a General Election.

The Conservative Party is tied with the Brexit Party inthe latest YouGov/Times Westminster voting intention survey, on 22% of the vote. Last week’s poll saw the Brexit Party in the lead with 23% and the Conservatives on a par with Labour at 20%.

Labour follows the Conservatives and the Brexit Party on 20%. The Liberal Democrats have dropped 2 percentage points since last week, from 21% last week to 19%.

Elsewhere, the Green party are on 10% (from 9%).

The outcome would be anybody's guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jun 19 - 10:23 AM

Just to leaven the dough a little, the Guardian, referring to Liam Fox, reportedly started a sentence in a report with "Fox, a Hunt supporter..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 12:45 PM

So Southern Water has been fined a record £126m for serious breaches of the environmental standards.

What has that to do with Brexit, I hear you ask? Well, the standards are set by the EU. No doubt we could, and probably will, carry them over after Brexit, if only because we don't have time to rethink them. But any time from then on, they could be lowered under pressure from the water companies. After all, "taking back control" means choosing the balance between business interests and customer interests, doesn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 07:03 AM

Any answer to my question of the 19th Iains ............. ????


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 03:59 AM

About time a Guardian/Observer hack was taken to task for spreading false news. Interesting that she claims she is being bullied when a victim resorts to the courts to clear his name.
On the Ted Talk she said “And I’m not even going to go into the lies that Arron Banks has told about his covert relationship with the Russian Government.”
I suspect the court will insist she goes into it and reveals all, chapter and verse, in excruciating detail. Otherwise it could cost.

I think she is upset that she is singled out, not the newspaper,or the program. But in both cases she is sole author so no one else to share the blame.
The bar was recently raised for defamation and the number of cases has declined. However Another reason for the decline – on social media in particular – is that a handful of high-profile lawsuits have acted as a deterrent.

Katie Hopkins was ordered to pay £24,000 in damages to Jack Monroe in 2017 after defaming the food blogger on Twitter.

In 2013, Lord McAlpine won a libel claim against Sally Bercow, wife of House of Commons Speaker John, over her tweet following a Newsnight report wrongly implicating the Tory peer in allegations of child sex abuse.

Nicola Cain, co-author of Defamation: Law, Procedure and Practice, which is published by Thomson Reuters, said: “The message is finally starting to get through to users that they need to be extremely careful what they say when posting online.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 01:32 PM

Chickens, hatching, counting.

I am sure Nigel will be along to point you say she claimed the Russians offered money whereas he is claiming he took none. Those are not incompatible, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 12:22 PM

Aaron Banks is suing Carole Cadwalladr for defamation on two grounds; she claimed in a speech two weeks ago that “We know the Russian Government offered money to Arron Banks.” Secondly, in the Ted Talk she said “And I’m not even going to go into the lies that Arron Banks has told about his covert relationship with the Russian Government.”

Banks says he took no money and he has no covert relationship. Now he is going to sue her to prove it or pay up…

Further spiffing news the Brexit party have today announced that they are to legally challenge the result of the Peterborough by-election.    I would suggest they have some convincing data to contemplate such a step.

There are rumours Mr Banks will donate his winnings to the brexit party. She may end up the largest donor to the Brexit Party. How sweet is that!

It seems Ms codwallop must put her money where her mouth is.

Actions do have consequences!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 07:46 AM

The way things are going, it might not be Boris in any case. I think he's about to find out that a month is a long time in politics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 04:51 AM

I'm a bit undecided whether this should be on the Tory Leadership thread or here, but I had to make a choice.

There is a fair bit in the press about Boris possibly losing a no confidence vote if he presses for no deal. The basis for these claims seem to be that some Tory MPs have said they would vote for a no confidence motion.

But that leave Kate Hoey and a few others out of the equation. I am not at all convinced she would vote no-confidence, and the more it is about no deal rather than the tory party, the less likely she is to do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 02:44 AM

Interesting quotation here:


The Irish prime minister, Leo Varadkar, said he hoped for an "early meeting" with the new incumbent in Downing Street, who is due to be chosen by the Tory membership in the last week of July. He said: "I am conscious of the fact that notwithstanding their support for Brexit, their strong support of Brexit, both of the two people that are now going forward to the members of the British Conservative party actually voted for the withdrawal agreement and they did so only a few weeks ago, and I think that is something worth bearing in mind."


Whatever Boris Johnson said to the ERG, if we judge people on their actions, it is quite possible he brings back the Withdrawal Agreement once more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 12:45 PM

Still no answer to my question of the 19th I see.

Come on Iains, what are you waiting for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 06:57 AM

I have just thought of a potential positive outcome if we leave. Maybe, just maybe, the Tory party will be wiped out along with BoJo the clown.

We can but hope...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 09:21 PM

Quote me on that 100 billion claim, please. In full.

The 39 billion is hardly a bargaining chip. It's what we are obliged to pay under the current arrangement we have with the EU. We will pay that sum if we leave. To not pay would result in our biggest and most vital trading partner becoming resentful and uncooperative. As we have yet to achieve any substantial trade deal with anyone else of real significance, I'd suggest that not paying would be suicidal. Won't happen, Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 08:05 PM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:22 PM

The 39 billion is not reparation. It is a sum that we have agreed with the EU we should pay in order to honour our commitments to the project. I'd remind you that a vital element of that project, agreed by all 28 members, is that richer countries should make bigger contributions in order that every EU country can remain solvent and make progress with infrastructure. There are obligations on net recipients to use the money in particular ways in line with EU policy. This has, in spite of many a glitch, helped to maintain a relatively prosperous and peaceful EU, which benefits every one of its members.


I seem to remember that Steve Shaw was previously in favour of settling for the 100 billion euro figure that the EU had plucked out of thin air. This reduced figure of £39 billion was a figure accepted in order that discussions could continue with regard to the UK leaving the EU.
It was always a case, in line with EU rules, that the figure would be part of the overall agreement on us leaving the EU. As we have not come to any further agreement, the £39 billion is still available as a negotiating point.


Although the £39bn appears to have been agreed, the EU rules say that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

I'm sorry to have to repeat this, but for some it seems to be overlooked whenever it suits their purposes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 07:26 PM

The Donald says "Keep America great". Tom Watson says "Keep Britain subservient". With whom do you agree?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 01:47 PM

Doesn't look as if it going to matter too much what the UK want.

UK heading for no-deal Brexit on 31 October, EU leaders conclude


"There’s very much a strong view across the EU that there shouldn’t be any more extensions," Varadkar said on Thursday. "While I have endless patience, some of my colleagues have lost patience, quite frankly, with the UK and there’s enormous hostility to any further extension.

"So I think an extension could really only happen if it were to facilitate something like a general election in the UK or perhaps even something like a second referendum if they decided to have one," the Irish premier continued. "What won’t be entertained is an extension for further negotiations or further indicative votes. The time for that has long since passed."



No doubt if we hit trouble after leaving it will all be due to the EU being vindictive...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 04:38 PM

Iains, with regard to my post of yesterday do you have an answer?

"Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?"

"So perhaps you could tell us if we are going to leave on the 31st October, before that date, after that date, with a deal, without a deal. What reparations, if any, will we pay to the EU, What are we going to do with European citizens residing in the UK, what will our relationship with Europe regarding Security be, what are we going to do regarding fishing, farming, banking, insurance and a multitude of other issues."

Yes, no, maybe ?????

Do you have an answer for us Iains ..............


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:22 PM

The 39 billion is not reparation. It is a sum that we have agreed with the EU we should pay in order to honour our commitments to the project. I'd remind you that a vital element of that project, agreed by all 28 members, is that richer countries should make bigger contributions in order that every EU country can remain solvent and make progress with infrastructure. There are obligations on net recipients to use the money in particular ways in line with EU policy. This has, in spite of many a glitch, helped to maintain a relatively prosperous and peaceful EU, which benefits every one of its members. Whatever kind of brexit we have to endure, one thing's for sure: we will continue to trade with the EU. If we want to build a friendly and cooperative trading environment post-brexit it is incumbent on this country to honour the already-agreed financial settlement. In the long term that will prove to have been a very good investment for future cordial relations, a small price to pay. Bejaysus, we will need all the help we can get. A petulant and shameful refusal to pay the bill is the last thing we should be contemplating.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:07 PM

"What reparations, if any, will we pay to the EU.
None !"

Well Iains, is that your policy or the Conservative Party policy, and if it is Conservative Party Policy when was it decided and by whom with what authority.

Is there any chance of you responding to the rest of my points about the complete lack of a coherent, cohesive and consistent policy by the Conservative Party which you are so keen to maintain that the Labour Party lacks.

I'm going to watch the cricket now on catch-up so you have until tomorrow to consider your reply!

PS At the moment the Conservative Party are in power, they created this debacle, it is their mess and it up to them to sort it out.

PPS If you, for one minute, think that Johnson can do it you really are living in cloud cuckoo land.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:22 PM

Bloody hell - Nigs has got an apprentice!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:00 PM

The EU have described Brexit as a divorce. In most divorces both parties share the assets. The richer half does not fine the poorer. During our membership of the EU we have contributed positively towards the infrastructure. We should be refunded at least some of that contribution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 03:20 PM

What reparations, if any, will we pay to the EU.
None !


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 02:45 PM

I posted at 06.56:

"So perhaps you could tell us if we are going to leave on the 31st October, before that date, after that date, with a deal, without a deal. What reparations, if any, will we pay to the EU, What are we going to do with European citizens residing in the UK, what will our relationship with Europe regarding Security be, what are we going to do regarding fishing, farming, banking, insurance and a multitude of other issues."

Do you have an answer for us Iains ..............

Typical of your approach, I don't know what Brexit will bring but I will vote for it. Three years later I been told it won't be good but I'll still vote for it. I will also vote for a party leader who hasn't told me what he thinks of Brexit or what route the UK is going to take.

Universal franchise is wasted on some people.

(PS I know the leadership election is not covered by UF)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 01:34 PM

And some of us not in either party disagree with that, and don't accept it. Brexit is a far right coup, foisted on the population by a criminal political class using the profound ignorance of much of the electorate. It has turmed Britain into a failed state, not far above Zimbabwe. In fact, below Zimbabwe now Mugabe has gone. A country of which I used to be proud, and of which I am now profoundly ashamed. I have to keep apologising to my European colleagues for the shambles that Britain has become. And even today, Barclay, bleating to Barnier that its not fair, that the EU position which they have held all along, turns out to be the EU position as they have said. Its come to a pretty pass, hasn't it, when Rory Stewart is the nearest to a sane voice that we have in the contest to be the next PM. And apparantly, being forced to deny, that he is still a remainer! Being forced to deny that he still has working brain cells. Not many, but more that all of the other contenders put together.

At least Raab has gone. As with Mike Pence on the other thread, probably more dangerous than Johnson because he actually believes all of the shit he is spouting.

Now get rid of Hunt. He is Raab plus warmongering.


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