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BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations

keberoxu 07 Mar 19 - 11:54 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 11:54 AM

How good is your French? If it's good enough,
you can read the link to "Le Progrès,"
which offers some direct courts from
a French-language transcript of the Lyon trial,
in particular the judge's decision of

a guilty verdict for Cardinal Barbarin.

Barbarin announced that he will resign as archbishop of Lyon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 01:22 AM

I don't expect ollaimh to actually read any of those articles I linked to, but he might be able to speak from a position of knowledge if he did. Here's an excerpt from one of those articles - from a Catholic newspaper:
    The truth is there are some very sick men in the priesthood that need very serious help and there are some men in the priesthood who are so psychosexually immature or damaged that they have no place in ministry. And the closed, secretive, all-male power structure of the church protected these men and gravely exacerbated the situation.

    Satan did not swoop in and use these men as his tools to destroy the church. These men destroyed it all by themselves by enforcing a warped view of sexuality, making the preservation of their patriarchal rule their first priority and trading in cover-ups, lies and institutional blackmail.

    But while Francis set out to boldly slay metaphysical dragons, his army of prelates slouched through a four-day slog.

    The cardinals, archbishops and other high-ranking clergymen who appeared at the summit's daily press briefings looked at turns exhausted by the weight and bleakness of the situation, embarrassed by their obvious incompetence, confounded by some of their peers' refusal to see why sex abuse is a problem, and generally adrift in the cesspool they have created. It was so dismal that Satan didn't need to creep into the picture.

    Survivors and their advocates were right to be disappointed that their basic demands were not met, but anyone listening to these press briefings would not have been surprised. Since all question-and-answer dialogues and working group sessions were off-limits to the press, our only insights into the inner workings of the meeting came from off-the-cuff remarks at these press conferences.

    And these comments gave the distinct impression that the bishops who traveled to Rome were nowhere near ready to take action.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 08:06 PM

Mere hours until the verdict in Lyon on
Barbarin and about five others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: ollaimh
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 03:00 AM

such interesting articles on child rape, so interesting. a policy will be interesting as well. we can all rest easy that the truly evil have interesting policies and read interesting articles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Mar 19 - 10:08 PM

Scicluna.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Mar 19 - 05:33 PM

The National Catholic Reporter (click) is one of my favorite Catholic publications, and it has been reporting the sex abuse crisis almost weekly since 1983. It has an interesting collection of articles that follow up on the recent summit on sexual abuse of children. I think the summit was meant to lay the groundwork for a comprehensive policy, and I expect a "zero tolerance" policy to come out within the next few months. If the end of the year comes and nothing has happened, then I think Pope Francis will have lost all credibility.

I don't put much stock in the attempt to get Roger Cardinal Mahony barred from speaking at the Los Angeles Religious Education Congress late in March. Since the 1970s, Mahony has been one of the most eloquent spokespersons for immigrant workers here in California. I have a ticket to hear his presentation, and I'm looking forward to it.

In the early days of the sex abuse scandal, Mahony dragged his feet and was reluctant to release personnel records and such. But he was one of the first to change course and assist in the criminal prosecution and church punishment of priests who were sex offenders. I think he's a good guy, although the conservatives have worked hard to smear him during his entire career.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Mar 19 - 10:33 AM

Who is Archbishop Charles Scicluna?
He helped bring the Vatican conference on abuse about,
and he has publicly stated
that the mass media is to be thanked
for bringing the abuse to light.

Atlantic magazine


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: mg
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 01:35 PM

he is a horrid man. His behavior towards victims was well k own and still pope brought him to vatican to run finances. Why.?? He was not a person with banking credentials afaik. I think it was to snatch him out of australia. Great outcry from oz. A song came out of pells awful behavior.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: ollaimh
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 11:29 PM

pell master minded the ellis defsnce, to wit, you can't sue the catholic church because they are not a leagl entity in autralia then he sued ellis for decades to harrass the victim of first sexual abuse, and then the church persecution. a truly monsterous and evil man.

but rose to the top because he stopped at nothing to attack those sexually abuse by the church as children. so another demon in the church of christ.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 10:54 AM

And even the right-wingers are conflicted
about Cardinal Mahony -- now there is a Mahony Petition out there


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Mar 19 - 10:45 AM

America magazine, Jesuits if I read right,
considers the Pell conviction.

"There are elements in the trial of Cardinal Pell that do not easily translate to a U. S. context."


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 04:53 PM

If I read this right,
Pell's sentencing is in two weeks' time,
and he will spend those two weeks in prison,
the judge having revoked his bail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Feb 19 - 08:13 PM

Perhaps the auto de fe should return. After all, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: mg
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 11:08 PM

One down, one of creepiest creeps to go down next. Human vermin and my sincere apologies to vermin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: mg
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 11:05 PM

Lots of Errors. I can't see the screen on my cell phone to correct. Anyway about Pell being brought to the Vatican.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: mg
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 11:03 PM

The compass and totally disgusting Pell in Australia has just been convicted. Google news for up-to-date information
I knew about him being accused of something many years ago when he was a seminarian. I did not know about the more recent stuff. I know that he's been totally abusive cruel to victims and their families and I doubt that he tells the truth on All Occasions. He isn't arrogant totally disgusting man perhaps equals by the disgusting man in New York City who also has been cruel to victims. I do not know of any accusations against him with minors. Humanity just got a little bit safer and a little bit more on the right track. This is incredibly good news. I wrote to the pope and copied O'Malley about hell green Brock from Australia under great outcry from Australian to be the number 3 man at the Vatican, handling finances, he is not an international Banker, although he probably has a lot of Banking and Financial experience. But he was brought for some reason to the Vatican.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: olddude
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 11:02 PM

Cowboy justice for those creeps I think


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 10:49 PM

The suppression/gag-order has been lifted on the Cardinal Pell verdict now.

guilty verdict


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 11:24 AM

The proud papal product from this week of awareness training is a handbook for clergy - 'How not to rape and sodomize children' depending upon your translation.

Bless their hearts


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 10:08 AM

The Southern Baptists (see Jim Carroll's post of February 12), the Latter-Day Saints (Mormons), Anglican, Methodist, several Eastern churches (in which priests can marry, as they can in several instances in the Catholic Church's eastern synods and even the Roman church), and others have all been "shocked and surprised" by finding that sexual abuse is also there. Golly, who would have guessed? And that's just the Christian churches!

Here were I am it seems like every day the news has more sexual abuse reports about teachers, coaches, parents, babysitters, and others -- men AND women. And as we know it's not just an American problem for these religions or occupations or relationships.

But of course our thoughts and prayers are with the victims....


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Mossback
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 11:23 AM

Activists for survivors of clerical sexual abuse have reacted furiously after Pope Francis failed to promise a “zero tolerance” approach to paedophile priests and the bishops who cover up their crimes as he closed a landmark summit at the Vatican.

Anne Barrett Doyle, the co-founder of Bishop Accountability, which tracks clergy sex abuse cases, described the speech as “recycled rhetoric”.

“I am utterly stunned,” she told the Guardian. “The pope has undone the tiny bit of progress that possibly was achieved this week. He was defensive, rationalising that abuse happens in all sectors of society. Ironically and sadly, he exhibited no responsibility, no accountability and no transparency.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/24/pope-francis-calls-for-all-out-battle-against-abuse-of-children


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 11:06 AM

Clergy crimes are considered to be sins that must be forgiven or dealt with internally by the 'hierarchy'.
Have clergy been guilty of sex abuse? embezzlement? murder? BUT not reported to police? of course they have.

I had a clergy like job and paid taxes and obeyed the law with no problem.

Why the fuck shouldn't they.

Instead of reporting criminals to God I think reporting criminals to police is and always should have been a no brainer.

How close will they come in these special Papal meetings to accepting local judicial authority???


Everything else here is just spin


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 19 - 08:13 AM

Stupid example of self harm by the Poe
Under attack by a bishop for allowing an expelled paedophile back into the hierarchy, he is now indulging in disgusting 'wataboutism' in trying to bail ot the church by claiming that there is more sexual abuse at home than there is in the Church
Of course there is, but family abusers don't carry out their crimes using God and the authority religion gives to the clerical abuser
They who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 19 - 09:10 AM

It is now being suggested that clerical abuse remains a threat and safeguards are needed to prevent it
No longer a historical issue
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 04:51 PM

I get regular emails from a Catholic reform group called Call to Action. This morning's email gave a pretty good summary:
    As the Vatican continues its four-day bishops' summit on dealing with sex abuse by priests, this stunning roundup by AP Vatican correspondent Nicole Winfield shows starkly that this is "a global problem that requires a global response":
    • Argentina: Pope Francis' home country is beginning to see an eruption of the scandal, with some cases even implicating failures by the pontiff himself.
    • Australia: A four-year national investigation found 4,444 people were abused at more than 1,000 Catholic institutions between 1980 and 2015. 7% of Catholic priests in Australia in 1950-2010 were accused of sexually abusing children.
    • Chile: Chilean criminal prosecutors have staged a series of raids on the church's secret archives to seize documents. They have opened more than 100 investigations into abusive priests.
    • Germany: The German Catholic Church concluded at least 3,677 people were abused by clergy between 1946 and 2014. More than half the victims were 13 or younger and most were boys. Every sixth case involved rape and at least 1,670 clergy were involved. 969 abuse victims were altar boys.
    • Ireland: Tens of thousands of children suffered wide-ranging abuses in church-run workhouse-style institutions.
    • U.S.: About 70 dioceses and religious orders have released lists of accused priests, according to BishopAccountability.org. Pennsylvania alone found 300 priests sexually abused at least 1,000 children since the 1940s. Prosecutors in more than a dozen states have opened similar investigations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 09:20 AM

I have no doubt that similar networks will be revealed in Protestant churches, in Buddhist and Hindu monasteries, in Moslem schools, as time goes on.

Catholicism is unique in having such a deep hierarchy - Muslim, Jewish and Buddhist education are locally organized, and most Protestant groups don't have many places they could transfer embarrassing employees to. There have been abuse scandals in the Haredi Jewish sect in London and to a lesser extent in Sunni Muslim medreses, but systematic coverups are harder to pull off. My yoga teacher as a kid (who was also a Protestant Sunday School teacher and a scoutmaster) ended up getting a jail sentence for a minor sexual offence, but he had no network behind him - and we kids all knew what he was up to, it was no surprise when he got done.

Hinduism has a gruesome record of child abuse in India. Buddhism rarely involves children in the West - there have been cases of sexually coercive sleaziness on the part of some leaders towards their adult followers, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 08:18 AM

WHOLE AREAS YET TO BE EXPLORED
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 07:27 AM

fortunately you guys win that argument.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Thompson
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 12:52 AM

The idea of castration as a solution to rape assumes that rape is caused by uncontrollable sexual desire. It’s not. Rape is caused by uncontrolled power.

There is a whole network of enablement in the church rapes: the priests’ bosses, who transferred them and concealed their crimes, the hierarchy going right up to the Vatican who colluded in protecting the reputation of the Church by allowing violent, dangerous people free reign to rape (and I have no doubt sometimes kill) children, and the laity who were too deliberately blind or too frightened to even attempt to expose the rapes. Not to mention the Gardaí, who sent away the few who brought complaints with a flea in their ear.

I have no doubt that similar networks will be revealed in Protestant churches, in Buddhist and Hindu monasteries, in Moslem schools, as time goes on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 11:11 PM

Sure, sure.

From Findlaw: Critics also question the effectiveness of surgical or chemical castration on sex offenders. Those subjected to castration may retain some sexual function. Even surgically castrated offenders have a small rate of recidivism. Furthermore, testosterone boosting drugs are available that can counteract the effects of castration.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 06:51 PM

please rise for the Honorable Judge Swift Justice
Has the jury reached a unanimous verdict? Yes your honor. What is the verdict? In the count of child sexual abuse we find the Bishop guilty. The sentence is eunufiction. Bailiff, chop off his testicles! The bailiff presents 4 handcuffs a long cord and a huge cleaver. Those who do not want to witness the sentence may now exit the courtroom.
zip swoosh click click click click ow ow ow
WHACK
Let the punishment fit the crime and be a warning to others. This case is now closed.

Next case. There are no next cases.
GREAT


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 05:33 PM

And it's Poland's turn:

Gdansk bishop's statue pulled down


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: mg
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 02:58 PM

It is super important for anyone with an interest in the catholic situation to read abuse tracker daily..especially now with the bishops meeting with the pope over this issue. More and more stuff pouring out, and I expect huge numbers of victims to come forward from developing countries. The pope starts out by saying people who constantly criticize the church are friends with the devil. Good job pope. On this issue the pope is worse than worthless..he is damaging and obstructionist. I will continue to constantly criticize..just found my baptismal certificate..signed by a notorious abuser...and I do not consider myself a friend of the devil.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 08:42 AM

Its Draconian for a state to perform castration but I don't see what you see. It is up to the courts to determine cruel and unusual punishment. It is less cruel than execution.

Marduk (8th century BC): Assyrian chief eunuch, eponym of the year 798 BCE in an Assyrian eponym chronicle.[233]
Yariri (8th century BC): regent of Neo-Hittite Carchemish thought to likely be an eunuch.[24]
Aspamistres or Mithridates (5th century BCE): bodyguard of Xerxes I of Persia, and (with Artabanus) his murderer.
Artoxares: an envoy of Artaxerxes I and Darius II of Persia.
Bagoas (4th century BC): prime minister of king Artaxerxes III of Persia, and his assassin. (Bagoas is an old Persian word meaning eunuch.)
Bagoas (4th century BCE): a favorite of Alexander the Great. Influential in changing Alexander's attitude toward Persians and therefore in the king's policy decision to try to integrate the conquered peoples fully into his Empire as loyal subjects. He thereby paved the way for the relative success of Alexander's Seleucid successors and greatly enhanced the diffusion of Greek culture to the East.
Philetaerus (4th/3rd century BC): founder of the Attalid dynasty of Pergamum
Sima Qian (old romanization Ssu-ma Chi'en; 2nd/1st century BC): the first person to have practiced modern historiography – gathering and analyzing both primary and secondary sources in order to write his monumental history of the Chinese Empire.
Ganymedes (1st century BCE): highly capable adviser and general of Cleopatra VII's sister and rival, Princess Arsinoe. Unsuccessfully attacked Julius Caesar three times at Alexandria.
Pothinus (1st century BC): regent for pharaoh Ptolemy XII.
Sporus (1st century BC): an attractive Roman boy who was castrated by, and later married to, Emperor Nero
First millennium AD:

Unidentified eunuch of the Ethiopian court (1st century AD), described in The Acts of the Apostles (chapter 8). Philip the Evangelist, one of the original seven deacons, is directed by the Holy Spirit to catch up to the eunuch's chariot and hears him reading from the Book of Isaiah (chapter 53). Philip explained that the section prophesies Jesus' crucifixion, which Philip described to the eunuch. The eunuch was baptized shortly thereafter.
Cai Lun (old romanization Ts'ai Lun; 1st/2nd century AD): reasonable evidence exists to suggest that he was truly the inventor of paper. At the very least, he established the importance of paper and standardized its manufacture in the Chinese Empire.
Origen: early Christian theologian, allegedly castrated himself based on his reading of the Gospel of Matthew 19:12 (For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.). Despite the fact that the early Christian theologian Tertullian wrote that Jesus was a eunuch, there is no corroboration in any other early source. (The Skoptsy did, however, believe it to be true.)[citation needed]
Eutropius (5th century): only eunuch known to have attained the highly distinguished and very influential position of Roman Consul.
Chrysaphius: chief minister of Eastern Roman Emperor Theodosius II, architect of imperial policy towards the Huns.
Narses (478–573): general of Byzantine emperor Justinian I, responsible for destroying the Ostrogoths in 552 at the Battle of Taginae in Italy and saving Rome for the empire.
Solomon: general and governor of Africa under Justinian I
Staurakios: chief associate and minister of the Byzantine empress Irene of Athens
Ignatius of Constantinople (799–877): twice Patriarch of Constantinople during troubled political times [847–858 and 867–877]. First absolutely unquestioned eunuch saint, recognized by both the Orthodox and Roman Churches. (There are a great many early saints who were probably eunuchs, though few either as influential nor unquestioned as to their castration.)
Yazaman al-Khadim (died 891): Emir of Tarsus and successful commander in the wars against Byzantium
Mu'nis al-Khadim (845/846–933/934): Commander-in-chief of the Abbasid armies between 908 and his death,
Joseph Bringas: chief minister of the Byzantine Empire under Romanos II (959-963).
Second millennium AD:

Jia Xian (c. 1010- c. 1070): Chinese mathematician, Invented the Jia Xian triangle for the calculation of square roots and cube roots.
Ly Thuong Kiet (1019–1105): general during the Lý Dynasty in Vietnam. Penned what is considered the first Vietnamese declaration of independence. Regarded as a Vietnamese national hero.
Pierre Abélard (1079–1142): French scholastic philosopher and theologian. Forcibly castrated by his girlfriend's uncle while in bed.
Malik Kafur (fl. 1296–1316): a eunuch slave who became a general in the army of Alauddin Khalji, ruler of the Delhi sultanate.
Zheng He (1371–1433): famous admiral who led huge Chinese fleets of exploration around the Indian Ocean.
Judar Pasha (late 16th century): a Spanish eunuch who became the head of the Moroccan invasion force into the Songhai Empire.
Kim Cheo Seon: one of the most famous eunuchs in Korean Joseon Dynasty, ably served kings in the Joseon dynasty. His life is now the subject of a historical drama in South Korea.
Mohammad Khan Qajar: chief of the Qajar tribe. He became the King/Shah of Persia in 1794 and established the Qajar dynasty.
Zhao Gao: favourite of Qin Shihuangdi, who plotted against Li Si (died 210 BC)
Zhang Rang: head of the infamous "10 Changshi" (Ten attendants) of Eastern Han Dynasty
Huang Hao: eunuch in the state of Shu; also appears in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Cen Hun: eunuch in the state of Wu during the Three Kingdoms Period
Gao Lishi: a loyal and trusted friend of Tang emperor Xuanzong
Le Van Duyet: famous 18th-century Vietnamese eunuch, military strategist and government official (not a true eunuch, he was born a hermaphrodite)
Senesino (1686–1758): Italian contralto castrato singer.
Farinelli (1705–1782): Italian soprano castrato singer.
Giusto Fernando Tenducci (c. 1736–1790): Italian soprano castrato singer.
Li Fuguo: The Tang eunuch who began another era of eunuch rule
Yu Chao'en: Tang eunuch who began his "career" as army supervisor
Wang Zhen: first Ming eunuch with much power, see Tumu Crisis
Gang Bing: patron saint of eunuchs in China who castrated himself to demonstrate his loyalty to the Yongle Emperor
Yishiha: admiral in charge of expeditions down the Amur River under the Yongle and Xuande Emperors
Liu Jin: a well-known eunuch despot, member of the Eight Tigers
Wei Zhongxian: most infamous eunuch in Chinese history
Wu Rui: a Chinese eunuch in Lê Dynasty Annam (Vietnam)
Li Lianying: a despotic eunuch of the Qing Dynasty
Thomas P. Corbett/Boston Corbett (1832 – presumed dead 1894): who killed John Wilkes Booth, the assassin of Abraham Lincoln, castrated himself to avoid temptation from prostitutes
Alessandro Moreschi (1858–1922), Italian castrato singer, the only one to make recordings.
Sun Yaoting (1902–1996): last surviving imperial eunuch of Chinese history


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Feb 19 - 08:56 PM

Um, if you study the history of eunuchs in every nation closely you will find that it is not much of a solution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 19 - 05:13 PM

Eunuchs are a perfectly good solution to certain social problems. Ask the Chinese.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 09:34 AM

I guess "defrocked" sounded too much like bullies pulling someone's pants down in the schoolyard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 09:29 AM

"laicized"

Whilst conceding that levity has no place in this thread, I should just like to thank you for the opportunity of adding this word to my lexicon!


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 05:56 AM

An article in this mornings Times by an abuse victim is headlined: "Who Knew About the Abuse" - They All Did"
That is the most condemning statement yet and if it is true, the implications are unimaginable
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 10:39 PM

It's Mr. McCarrick now -- he was laicized today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 05:14 PM

Joe, a diocesan priest can be excardinated to serve in another diocese or even in another country. While far from common it is not unheard of. It seems to occur more frequently with member of religious orders than diocesan priests.

But extend the discussion to include the abuse of adults, male and female. Include those who are vulnerable, including the sick and handicapped.

I am coming to the conclusion that sexual abuse, whether by clerics, teachers, coaches, scout leaders, or anyone is caused not by a sex drive, but by a lust for and abuse of power, just a rape is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 03:45 PM

Most parish priests are diocesan priests, who serve their entire careers in one particular geographic diocese. They are rarely transferred to other dioceses, so they are unlikely to transfer across state lines. Religious order priests belong to provinces, which can cover several states or an entire nation, so they can be transferred anywhere within the province.

So, for diocesan priests, the "employer" is the bishop of that particular diocese. For religious orders, the "employer" is the provincial (leader) of that particular province.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: ollaimh
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 03:33 PM

john p makes an excellent point. not only have the kept transfering sex offender priests they have transfered money around to avoid properly attained legal judgements against them for damages. it is a crime syndicate. this now requires a rico prosecution .


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: ollaimh
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 03:31 PM

yeah when our christian friends are raping children(and nuns) they have something wrong with them. they believe the devil is god, and follow all the evil ideas from their imaginary friend. know them y the fruit they bear


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 19 - 01:46 PM

It seems from a report i The Irish Times this moorning that clerical abuse by TEXAN BAPTISTS is now becoming a major issue
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Feb 19 - 01:16 PM

Contrition is a rare but not unheard of historic event. I use Nazi war fugitives as an example.

Self imposed contrition belongs in the same world as; self incarceration, self punishment, self execution, self imposed restitution and confession.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: John P
Date: 12 Feb 19 - 12:06 PM

Joe, the reason I thought the Federal government should be involved is because the Catholic Church transferred rapists to other states in order to avoid prosecution. They have been running an interstate crime ring.

What I would like to see is a civil suite against the church and all of it's subsidiaries for more money than the church has. Take every penny, every building, every business, everything. And put everyone who knew anything about the rapes in prison.


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 08:23 AM

Makes a tragedy of the 'joke' my old boss used to tell.


What pleasure does a monk get?

Nun!


Pre PC days of course and in the early 70's I found it funny. It now seems pretty sick :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 05:17 AM

This morning's Irish Times reports that the sexual abuse of nuns was first brought to the attention of The Vatican in 1992, nothing was done and the report was shelved
The excuse now being given is that it was thought to be "only happening in Third World Countries" - it cites Arica (bad enough), but it transpires that Italy was mentioned as one of the problem countries
One wonders where this will go now
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Clerical abuse of kids: More Revelations
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Feb 19 - 04:09 AM

....and, as always, I continue to be mystified by Donuel. Don, what's 12 May about?


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