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Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?

Joe Offer 13 Feb 18 - 03:33 AM
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beardedbruce 12 Feb 18 - 11:31 AM
Greg F. 12 Feb 18 - 09:57 AM
Kenny B 11 Feb 18 - 02:44 PM
Donuel 11 Feb 18 - 02:29 PM
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Joe Offer 11 Feb 18 - 11:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 03:33 AM

Joe, you could have just added your remarks to this otherwise closed thread without starting a new one, we know you know how to do this stuff still. Your remarks were moved here to keep the context but to stop the running battle. --mudelf

    [Sigh] Yes, I do know how to do that. But I also know that if I did, I might well be rightly accused of reopening and then closing the thread so I could get in the last word. I've had that accusation before. It wasn't true then, and it isn't true now.
    I have found that if moderators close a thread, that's usually enough. If people start a continuation thread on the subject, the new thread is usually much more civil. So, that's why I started a new thread. I wasn't done talking on the subject, and I was sure I was going to be able to convince Steve Shaw and Greg_F to change their evil ways since I think they're basically good people who just need to "see the light." I had intended to start the new thread with a civil comment to attempt to change the tone of the discussion, and I think my comment was quite civil. I didn't even call Steve Shaw a bigot in it....
    -Joe Offer-


The threads were merged because the same combatants from the first thread followed Joe to the second one. Rather than have two closed threads as objects of consideration for trolling, the coherent remark was moved and the rest of the nastiness was deleted. --mudelf


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Subject: BS: So, About Freemasonry
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 02:06 PM

I spent a long time typing this message. When I submitted it, I got this message: Sorry, this thread (click) is closed.

Here is the text of your post:

Well, I can't say I disagree with the closure because there were certain individuals who were wigging out in the thread; but I'll be damned if I'll forfeit all the hard work and time I expended on my post, so here it is.



OK, logic lesson.

Gref_F questioningly quotes Joe Offer: But judging the group by acts of individuals, is what most people call Bigotry.

Greg Responds: So I'm a bigot, Joe, for judging the Ku Klux Klan? Or the Aryan Brotherhood? ACT For America? The Family Research Council? The League of the South?

In that case, what we judge is the corporate act of the group, and the acts and purposes of these groups are abhorrent.

Two different things. We judge individuals by their individual actions, and we judge groups by their corporate actions. And although we may disagree with the groups that individuals associate with, we must assess individuals individually.

In addition, if we wish to accomplish anything in this world, we will have to form alliances with people we do not completely agree with. And to do this, we must treat those individuals with respect, despite our differences. In time, we might even learn to appreciate those differences and learn from them.

I don't think I could ever agree completely with Freemasons, but there are so many things I like about them. One of the National Treasure movies was set in the context of Freemasonry, and it gave a good taste of the fascinating lore and history and mythology of Freemasonry. I've mentioned the architecture above. Several times, I've enjoyed visiting the George Washington Masonic Memorial in Alexandria, Virginia. It attempts to be a replica of the lighthouse at Alexandria, Egypt - one of the Seven Wonders of the World. Inside is a museum of Masonic artifacts, all very interesting. The memorial is not only a lighthouse replica, it's an obelisk, a important emblem of Freemasonry - as is the Washington Memorial across the Potomac in Washington DC.

I suppose one could say that much of the lore of Freemasonry is fakelore; but it has been part of Freemasonry for so long that I think it also deserves to be considered as folklore.

One could also say that the underpinnings of Freemasonry are myth. But hey, I belong to a religion that has its own myth, so I don't have any problem with that. I am not an absolutist like the born-again Christians and what I call born-again atheists*, so I feel no obligation to view myth as actual or putative absolute truth. I can appreciate myth for what it is - myth, a story or system of stories meant to convey a deeper truth.

So, yeah, I'm not likely to join the Freemasons - but I certainly respect them.

-Joe-

*Note that what I call "born-again" Christians and atheists, is not a term I would apply to all Christians and atheists. Some, maybe most, are intelligent, insightful, and open-minded. Many are able to acknowledge and criticize and reject and even poke fun at the shortcomings of the groups they come from. There's something good about coming from roots that are not perfect. It gives us humility and tolerance. Perfectionists tend to be boring and tediously critical, but those who rise from the muck are the salt of the earth.



Joe, you could have just added your remarks to this otherwise closed thread without starting a new one, we know you know how to do this stuff still. Your remarks were moved here to keep the context but to stop the running battle. --mudelf


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 11:31 AM

Not as old as YOU calling Black Democrats "Dumb Ni**ers"


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 09:57 AM

The Catholic Church and the Freemasons do not - nor does the Republican Party.

Joe, Joe, you've gone over to the dark side. You're engaging in the same tactics as our Mister Bilbo- excuse me, Bobad - who labels anyone who criticizes the Israeli regime as "anti-semitic", i.e. anyone who criticizes the actions of the Catholic Church hierarchy is a "bigot".

As for ther Republican Party, you must have missed the polls that indicate the number of Republican voters who still enthusiastically support President Racist Misogynist Shithole Clusterfuck and the silence of 99.9% ofRepublican Congressmen & women ditto. As currently constituted, its more than fair to characterize the Party as existing for the purpose of wrongdoing.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 02:44 PM

Donuel

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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 02:29 PM

In the days before google, my dad said who ever finds a way to find everything on the internet will rule the world.

Google is like Family Feud 'Survey says...'
Meanwhile #1 search results can be bought with cash.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 02:26 PM

"Guess you'll have to live with the fact that some people think you're a bigot, Shaw"

Well why don't you set up a poll, Offer, and we'll see how many, shall we?

Alternatively, why don't you go and have a nice lie down?


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 01:27 PM

Donuel ....Isn't it amazing what you find out when you start digging using the big eye "google" the all seeing one   .... well nearly


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 12:22 PM

Steve, According to my wife I am a bigot. If you raise the specter of a nefarious act by an individual it is often confused with an indictment of a race. (the dark matter reference applies to stuff with no interaction or collision)

Kenny B, its true the Knights Templar felt anti Catholic after their massacre in the same way Winston Churchill felt anti German after the blitz.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 12:08 PM

if the organization itself exists for the purpose of wrongdoing, that's another matter.

But that's not what you said, Joe:

But judging the group by acts of individuals, is what most people call Bigotry.

Also, since the group(s) in question are indeed made up of individuals- or they wouldn't exist-..... on whose actions should they be juged again?


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 11:45 AM

Guess you'll have to live with the fact that some people think you're a bigot, Shaw. I don't imagine you'll ever come to an understanding of this flaw in yourself.
Factual criticism of misdeeds within an organization is useful and necessary. When it becomes an incessant diatribe against an entire group, it becomes bigotry.
Most people are ordinary. They do not do horrible (or heroic) deeds on a regular basis, and they should be allowed to live their lives without harassment or condemnation for that, despite what self-righteous ideologues may think of them. I do think "live and let live" applies very well here.
So, what is there of a factual nature that you have to say about Freemasons, Mr. Shaw?

-Joe Offer-

And Mr. Greg, there are serious flaws in your logic. Obviously, if the organization itself exists for the purpose of wrongdoing, that's another matter. Your Ku Kluxers fall into that category. The Catholic Church and the Freemasons do not - nor does the Republican Party.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 11:40 AM

But judging the group by acts of individuals, is what most people call Bigotry.

So I'm a bigot, Joe, for judging the Ku Klux Klan? Or the Aryan Brotherhood? ACT For America? The Family Research Council? The League of the South?

Interesting.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 11:36 AM

I dont believe that Freemasonry has any more influence on what goes on in either politics or the judiciary in this country than the Bullingdon Club or its equivalents in sport or other pastimes.
Money talks and the media is it voice in public
Serving two master is a cliché, we all do a balancing act to get by
why should individual Freemasons be any different to anyone else.
I wonder what hat i'll wear today (Smiley)


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 11:08 AM

Kenny B I thought I made my take on it clear when I said no man can serve two masters. Parliament obviously shered my concerns, hence the last link I provided. How that concern was finally resolved I do not know. I presume it was a political football and kicked into the long grass until such time as renewed "scandal" forces the issue back into the spotlight. Members of the 3 arms of government belonging to a secretive organisation would raise concerns for any rational person I would have thought, but perhaps sheople are in the ascendancy.

Shaw you are a fool. One day you will wise up.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 11:02 AM

I'm not a golfer but I think its known as "par for the course" on here when people run out of reasoned argument, Its the only form of abuse that hasn't been demonised by the PC groupies

I remember Alex Salmond discussing a report on Brexit with Boris Johnston on Tele and eventually asking him had he actually read it And understood it .... hi didnt get a positive answer just the usual smirk

Maybe Iains is constipated and that's the only way he can get the "s" uknow what out.

(Smiley)


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 10:09 AM

He's having a bad day again, Kenny. See Brexit thread. Then ignore.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 10:06 AM

Iains you havnt produced an answer re concerns, the word "shit" totally demeans your reply ... different people take different thing from reports , pry tell us what you take from it without resorting to schoolboy abuse


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 09:36 AM

I've gone to considerable lengths in a number of posts on several threads to say that my Catholic upbringing was generally benign, that most of the priests who taught me (as well as the nuns and priests with whom I later worked in teaching) were good-hearted people who had the kids' best interests at heart and that, during decades of close-up exposure to Catholicism, I didn't come across a single incidence of sexual abuse. There are several atheist posters on this forum who take a far less balanced view. To be critical is not to be bigoted. To be accused of bigotry whenever religion comes up (not generally brought up first by me, I hasten to add) is to be accused of mean-spirited opportunism. It seems to me that someone accusing a non-bigot of bigotry is being defensive and, ironically, quite possibly bigoted themselves. We could usefully ban the bloody word from this forum.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 09:35 AM

"What are your concerns Iains ? eg How many were women? How many thought the survey a waste of money and THEIR time, how many would rather be playing golf? Attending Legal Dinners?
Arent the majority of the Judges honest?
How many non compulsory surveys do you complete?"

Kenny B. Is talking complete shit a speciality of yours?

TRY reading the link and consider the origin of the report.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 09:09 AM

If anyone thinks views here are tainted have a look at the "conversation" here i dont make any comment but shake my head


Freemasonary according to Lepanto


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 09:00 AM

Steve you drink Atheist light compared to others who pound down 100 proof antigod straight up. I'm more of an Atheist smoothie guy.

Remember you are only a bigot in Joe's dark matter world.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 08:31 AM

Why don't you stop pretending, Joe, and just reinstate those perfectly civil posts that you deleted, accompanied by a rather rude PM to me? You are abusing your position as a mod here in having your say, as unpleasant as you can make it, whilst hovering over your delete button. I have not said anything bigoted, either in the deleted posts or in what's still here. Simply saying that live and let live/let sleeping dogs lie/laissez faire is a suspect plea is not bigoted. It's saying that it's the wrong call. If the Masons, the churches, Hollywood, the big charities or any other organisation are now having their dirty linen aired, it isn't because they've spontaneously thrown their hands in the air suddenly admitting everything. It's because they've been outed, largely by victims. The very nature of cover-ups is that we don't know that they're going on, and we have every right to be suspicious, going from the past records of these organisations. We will only know that these setups are finally clean after a long period of not hearing about any more abuses. That's your institution's fault, not ours, and to say so is not bigotry, not by a country mile.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 07:56 AM

From: Iains - PM
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 06:05 AM

Quite an old report. The fact that such a report was compiled highlights a concern. Those that did not respond highlights even more of a concern.

What are your concerns Iains ? eg How many were women? How many thought the survey a waste of money and THEIR time, how many would rather be playing golf? Attending Legal Dinners?
Arent the majority of the Judges honest?
How many non compulsory surveys do you complete?

Life is hard (smiley)


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 06:19 AM

I imagine my great-grandfather was 'one' as well. And perhaps that's why he called his eldest son Temple (I understand that the Freemasons refer back to the building of the temple in Jerusalem, hence all the compasses and square stuff.)
Apparently, according to my father, his Uncle Temple was indeed quite an enterprising gent.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 06:14 AM

d go to get up and go .... you'll never know ... its secret 
BTW which trouser leg is rolled up? (Smiley)


Must be. Otherwise we would know if it was a sinister organisation.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 06:08 AM

Senoufou
Maybe your great uncle was in the right place at the right time or had the get up and go to get up and go .... you'll never know ... its secret
BTW which trouser leg is rolled up? (Smiley)


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Iains
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 06:05 AM

Quite an old report. The fact that such a report was compiled highlights a concern. Those that did not respond highlights even more of a concern.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmhaff/467/46703.htm


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 04:34 AM

Hahaha Mr Red! And don't forget to roll up one trouser leg!


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 04:31 AM

My great-uncle who was 'one' was called Temple. I always thought it a very strange name. Of all his eight brothers and sisters (I have a sepia photo of them) he was the one that became rich. He emigrated to Australia and ended up with an enormous amount of land and raised sheep. Do you suppose there were/are Freemasons in Australia? And if so, did they help him?


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 04:19 AM

How many Freemasons does it take to change a lightbulb?






"Shhhhhhhh"!




I'll get my coat and bare one breast..............


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 11:32 PM

What Mr. Shaw is saying, is that since he is without sin, he is allowed to cast stones. And even when others freely and honestly admit their shortcomings, Mr. Shaw believes he is entitled to rub their noses in it.

No doubt, there are many disreputable things that Freemasons and other groups have done through the centuries. But judging the group by acts of individuals, is what most people call Bigotry. I know it's complicated and time-consuming to have to avoid judging all members of a group as one, but it's what you have to do if you don't want to be considered a bigot.

Now, give us some facts and stop the broad-brush judgmentalism, Mr. Shaw.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 10:46 PM

Actual conspiracies require some secrecy. I knew a Dentist who had 3 patients who expired in his office. It was rumored he wanted to join the Masons in order to provide some networking for defensive purposes, or at least that's the way I saw it. I knew nothing about the matter afterwards. Its not exactly an Agatha Christie episode but maybe you think this is bad.

The children hospitals are good, but single payer would be better.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 07:52 PM

I'll try again, a little less specifically this time (PM me if that confuses you). "Live and let live" (as applied to any organisation you care to think of) COULD mean "don't look too closely, just in case you see something you don't like..."


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 06:53 PM

Thank goodness for a sense of humour


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 05:44 PM

First person: "Do you believe in Freemasonry?"

Second person: "Yes."

First person: "Oh good, I've got a wall I want built!"


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 02:33 AM

DMcG that is a non answer. You are notoriously guarded. Secrets have an expiration date however...
So you got any expired secrets?


I genuinely do. In 1980-3 I ran a classified project, funded by two parts of the military who could not stand each other. Then out of the blue the project was declassified and on the same day one of them published academic papers about it.

It was pretty clear the classification had really been about preventing the one side from publishing until the other was all ready to go.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 08:39 PM

Joe's in delete mode. Just sayin'. Ask him why, guys!


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 08:02 PM

Who are the slave masons? the Jews under Pharaoh's rule? War prisoners under Nazi rule?

There is another crime against children committed by priests no one discusses. A priest advising women to stay in physical abusing marriages that jeopardize women and children's lives. If marriage is so sacred why don't priests do it.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:55 PM

And I think we've had more than enough of your lame resort to calling people who are not overly keen on your religion "bigots," Joe. I imagine you three or four hundred years ago, invoking the heresy laws and having us conveniently removed by having us, say, burned at the stake.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:50 PM

To be honest, I really am a live-and-let-live bloke. But there is a caveat. Just don't ask me to live and let live if there's ever been a suspicion of wrongdoing in your organisation. To ask me that is to arouse suspicions that you have something to hide. Another thing. Quite often, ardent believers, enacting the precise opposite of live-and-let-live behaviour, are only too keen to propagate their unsupportable beliefs to other people, including children above all, a practice often dressed in rather benign terms. You sometimes even have the temerity to dress up the proselytising as religious "education." I'll live-and-let-live as far as your beliefs are concerned as long as you undertake to keep them to yourself and allow other people, all too vulnerable to your proselytising, including children especially, to live and let live.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:21 PM

Steve, if my neighbor's dog shits in my living room, I don't rub my dog's nose in it, just because he's a dog....
And I do not deny the guilt of the neighbor's dog.

But we're talking about freemasonry here, not dogshit or Catholicism. Keep your bigotry in control.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 05:28 PM

Fine, Joe, but you might excuse us for thinking, in connection with the Catholic Church and the Freemasons, that "live and let live" could mean " don't look TOO closely at what goes on in our ranks..."
    Messages undeleted per request from Mr. Shaw, since his opportunity to divert the thread into another anti-Catholic diatribe has passed.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 05:26 PM

I always suspected this guy was a free mason.

Yeah, well what about the SLAVE Masons??


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 05:07 PM

DMcG that is a non answer. You are notoriously guarded. Secrets have an expiration date however.
For example had it been known I was Joseph Stalin's youngest illegitimate son who was born only months after he died there would have been much controversy and hoopla in the 50's. Now no one, not even Putin, gives a hoot. If not for the cleverness of a US Army clerk I would not be here.
So you got any expired secrets?


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Iains
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:41 PM

http://freemasonry.london.museum/event/exhibition-freemasons-and-the-royal-society/

and????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodge_Mother_Kilwinning

Intriguing


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:28 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

I always suspected this guy was a free mason.


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 02:55 PM

You betcha, Kenny. I agree.
"Live and let live" seems to apply here, too.
And of course, there's a good reason for Masonic architecture to be notable.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 02:53 PM

Different strokes for different folks ?

or can I quote Johnny Cash "all gods children got a place in the choir"


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 02:34 PM

I wouldn't make a judgment on whether Freemasons are good or bad, but they sure are interesting. One aspect of Freemasonry that fascinates me, is their architecture, throughout the world (click) and particularly in the United States (click). There's some terrific Masonic architecture in Los Angeles.

The lore, rituals, and symbolism of Freemasonry are also very interesting. On top of that, they do a lot of charitable works, wherever they are.

Gee, I suppose people could say the same about my Catholic Church, so I'll leave it at that. I can't quite understand what's so appealing to Freemasons about Freemasonry, just as others can't understand why I like being Catholic.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Freemasonry. Is it good or bad?
From: Kenny B
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 02:09 PM

Would that be a glove as worn by the "Vertically Extended Index" brothers


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