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keberoxu 11 Oct 17 - 02:58 PM
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Subject: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 02:58 PM

Sorry to complain,
but every time I enter something to search
and hit Search,
I get an error message and nothing more.

(dreadful sorry Frankenstein)


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 03:03 PM

Max is in the process of moving Mudcat to a new server and all of the various features aren't in place yet.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 03:15 PM

As good a thread as any to ask, will that include emoticons eventually.
They still don't work posted from my Chrome browser extension tool...


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 03:34 PM

Well, we certainly want you to emote, PFR...;-)
🎵

Mudcat has many search tools - see Old Advanced Forum Search (click) in the QuickLinks dropdown menu.

Almost all of these search tools work just fine.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 04:04 PM

pfr: Can you post and see the emoticons on Mr Red's site:
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=161315

If so your emoji-generating extension is the problem. Try another.

Other people are posting emoticons: this one is from my Android virtual keyboard: ??

This site should work with unicode emoticons and symbols. But not all people will see anything you post - they need to have a font that includes it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 04:08 PM

Interesting. Yet Jeri's emoticons here work here:
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=162910&messages=104#3880897


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 04:17 PM

Well here goes from Safari:

????????????????


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 04:17 PM

... Nope.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 04:26 PM

So they preview OK but when posted are displayed as ??

But how did Jeri post those two? Different server?


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 04:30 PM

This one using a # code off Mr Red's page: 😀


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 04:53 PM

Looks like multibyte input text is being lost - yet it doesn't affect preview.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 05:27 PM

Yeah.. I tested emoticons here a few days ago,
when I first noticed problems and mentioned it on other threads..
Just before it was announced that Max was doing renovations..

Emoticons show up in the text box, and after pressing preview, but only post as 2 question marks.

Tested on chrome browser on PC.
Android, and win 8.1 mobile phones.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 06:50 PM

I just copied & pasted them.
on mudcat.org
??


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 06:51 PM

Whoops - I must've been on a different server when the other ones posted successfully.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 03:12 AM

if you type hash code &#128527 it displays as ?? eg


see http://mister.red/various/codes3.htm and select various panels for my suggestions for a range of emoticons.
The has code above the chosen image can be copied for pasting alongside your normal text

if you type <FONT SIZE="+3">&#128526;</FONT> you get 😎

Mr 😈 Red


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 03:14 AM

you win some, you lose some ?? (sic) 😎


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 03:27 AM

Thanks, Jeri. Either a different server or the configuration of the bits of the system - webserver, database, whatever - have changed.

So anything that puts the actual emoticon into the typing box - special keyboards, addons, copy/paste - doesn't work: yellow sadface displays as ??

That's either a bug or Max has had enough of them (understandable).

A # code from Mr_Red's_page does work: &#128512; displays as 😀

The difference is that those are all ASCII characters.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 03:34 AM

strangely my hashcode &#128527 displayed as ?? (I'll try again ??


If a particular hash code doesn't work I would ask "is there a script that recognises favoured hash codes as particular enoticons and translates them to 2 character Fakebook syntax but the recognition of the 2 characters has yet to be fully implemented. ie a work in progress.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 03:39 AM

I have noticed that the preview displays hash codes as wanted, but not in a post.
AND another thing, after being clever on a line I sometimes see the last character of that line go missing. I put a close bracket on line 1. It happened before with eg but I noticed in preview and added a space at the end for it to lose.

😡


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 03:44 AM

In case Max is reading this:
A curious quirk of the switch to https is that I have a have a bookmark to http://mudcat.org/?age=1 which converts to https://mudcat.org/?age=1&age=1 (which doesn't work).


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Iains
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 08:07 AM

If you do a google search with mudcat in the search string it will act pretty much the same as the mudcat search engine. I use it fairly frequently to track down forum responses.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 08:45 AM

This is the Emoji Extension I'm using in Chrome on my Win 8.1 PC


https://www.emojiforgooglechrome.com/


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Max
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 11:26 AM

DaveRo, I think I fixed that quirk but the previous redirect is probably now cached in your browser so it may not appear so. If you clear your cache or try it with a different browser it should be good to go. Thanks for the feedback. ~Max

Incidentally, I am also redirecting (rewriting) all www.mudcat.org to just mudcat.org for the secure certificate's sake. Wasn't sure which was appending the 2nd query string.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 11:45 AM

Max: yes - still wrong in Firefox/Android but OK if I change to Chrome.

OK in Firefox after clearing cache.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 11:52 AM

You all are talking so far over my head it isn't even funny.
I feel like a bug in the mud. A mud bug.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Max
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 11:55 AM

Oh, I created another bug. I forgot a slash. Fixed that.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 06:15 PM

Max, I needed that laugh. Many thanks.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Oct 17 - 06:46 PM

Hi, Max - amazon.mudcat.org isn't working, and I'm upgrading my computer and spending a lot of money. I ordered throughHope my money comes through....

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 10:56 AM

emoji test:


??


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 10:57 AM

nope


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 01:54 PM

and I still can't use the Mudcat search engine.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 02:02 PM

Preview is hit and miss as well...

if you press preview it may then refuse to post.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 02:51 PM

Thanks for the emoji... Hiahia

??????????


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 02:52 PM

Thanks for the emoji... Hiahia

Failed attempt!!! Try it again

??????????


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 02:53 PM

It's not working... Works when I ticked "Preview" but appear again as question marks when submitted.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 04:02 PM

I wondered whether lyrics in east European languages are affected by this emoticon problem. Turkish has several characters which I expect are double-byte in utf-8.

Below is the first verse of a Turkish children's song "Ali Baba Has a Big Farm" which I found here

Ali Babanin bir çiftligi var
Çiftliginde horozlari var
Ü üürü üü diye bagirir
Çiftliginde Ali Babanin

I don't speak Turkish, BTW, but I did spend some time there and I have vivid memories of trying to make sense of text messages sent to me by mobile operator Turkcell. Note that there are two i characters - with and without a dot.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 04:10 PM

Close - but not identical. It has made all the i characters identical, and lost the g-breve. The diacritics remaining are all Latin.

That was not what I expected!


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 03:55 AM

Off and on, Mudcat has accepted posting of special characters. When the poster submits the message, the special characters are changed into an ampersand code, so it will display properly and reliably. I hope that Max can make that feature work again. It is very important when posting songs in foreign languages.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 11:19 AM

PLEASE make unicode characters work again. Everytime I try to post something - song titles, lyrics etc - in Chinese, it ends up in question marks. Very disappointing.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Snuffy
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 12:53 PM

Emoyicons and unicode are all very well, but why are they in this thread. And why can't I use the Mudcat search engine? I just keep getting

500 - Internal server error.
There is a problem with the resource you are looking for, and it cannot be displayed.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 12:54 PM

I think the problem with characters may well be that there is a limit on the numerical length which wasn't there before.

eg hash codes under (say) 1000. Greek seems to end with omega ώ (974) above 1000 it is Cyrillic like Ж

because the preview is controlled by your browser it looks OK. But once stored by Mudcat it is controlled elsewhere.

If the above posts correctly - I would posit a higher number like 9999 maybe - where the emojis live. Having said that I managed (and got a reaction that confirmed) to get emojis to post, that didn't a day later so either the threshold is variable from some bug, or max it still tinkering.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 12:59 PM

looks OK so far, so maybe fixed or random or higher threshold like 65536 (2 to power 16)

emojis live in the stratosphere (128000 ish)


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: GUEST,maeve
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 01:41 PM

Snuffy- There currently is an ongoing upgrade/server change. From the second post in this thread:

Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Acme
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 03:03 PM

Max is in the process of moving Mudcat to a new server and all of the various features aren't in place yet.


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Oct 17 - 12:21 PM

This is a test: ? 🙏


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Oct 17 - 12:42 PM

This is a test again: ??? 🙏


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Oct 17 - 02:05 PM

cheeky winky smiley test:


😜


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Oct 17 - 02:06 PM

👍🏼


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: DaveRo
Date: 16 Oct 17 - 03:40 PM

Let's try that Turkish song again - copied from here:

Ali Babanın bir ?iftliği var
?iftliğinde horozları var
? ??r? ?? diye bağırır
?iftliğinde Ali Babanın

Hmmmm. It doesn't preview coreectly, which it did last time.
The dotless i and the g-breve have been converted to &-codes and appear correctly. The characters that posted correctly last time, such as C-cedilla appear as question marks.

Heres a u-umlaut and a c-cedilla from my keyboard: ? ?

I'll post it...


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Oct 17 - 05:04 PM

? ? ? ∞


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Subject: RE: Tech: why can't I use the Mudcat search engine
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Oct 17 - 05:06 PM

interesting... only the infinity posted, and not the a with umlaut


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