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GUEST,Andy Alexis 18 Mar 17 - 08:04 AM
Steve Gardham 17 Mar 17 - 03:33 AM
McGrath of Harlow 16 Mar 17 - 09:57 PM
GUEST,Donuel 16 Mar 17 - 07:34 PM
Steve Gardham 16 Mar 17 - 10:51 AM
GUEST,Brian Grayson 16 Mar 17 - 06:53 AM
GUEST 15 Mar 17 - 04:25 PM
Steve Gardham 15 Mar 17 - 04:03 PM
GUEST 15 Mar 17 - 01:42 PM
Jeri 15 Mar 17 - 12:10 PM
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GUEST,Mathew 14 Mar 17 - 11:53 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Mar 17 - 07:53 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Mar 17 - 07:53 PM
punkfolkrocker 14 Mar 17 - 02:46 PM
Steve Shaw 14 Mar 17 - 02:43 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Mar 17 - 02:28 PM
Jim Carroll 14 Mar 17 - 01:59 PM
Steve Shaw 14 Mar 17 - 08:29 AM
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Jim Carroll 14 Mar 17 - 04:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Andy Alexis
Date: 18 Mar 17 - 08:04 AM

Yes, protest songs won't help the political process of removing him and his evil minions. But they do make us feel better and more empowered.

I wrote this. I was careful to avoid using this person's name. Neither will I mention the name of the song I borrowed this from, lest surveilling eyes misconstrue it as a threat, which it is not. If you can't figure it out, watch the last half of "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" for clarification. I will do a video this weekend. Perhaps.

What is this that I have seen?
With a face the color of a tangerine
I am Debt, but if it's not clear,
I'm the billion dollars that you owe to Vladimir

Oh, Debt, Oh, Debt…
I'd be surprised if you make it to the end of the year
I'll repossess your casinos so you can't bet
I'll cheat that guy you hired as an architect
Your skyscrapers will soon belong to me,
Your beach resort swallowed up into the sea

Your bluster, and brags, and ego trips
Can not save you from this sinking ship
Your hair will fall out and your teeth will gnash
Nothing satisfies me but your cash

Your steaks and your vodka and your magazine
Have all simply vanished from this scene
No one's going to care about the things you say
And all of the ladies run the other way

(the optional verse)
The wealthy, the entitled, the affluent, and the rich
All look to you as their favorite bitch
They send you there and they send you here
Just don't forget to smile when you kiss their rear


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Mar 17 - 03:33 AM

Nelly the Elephant, anyone?


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 09:57 PM

"It's like don't think of a pink elephant"

Which reminds me of a song with some very appropriate verses for Donald Trunk, the Hole in the Elephant's bottom.

For example, a propos of his style of rhetoric:
I wanted to go on the stage,
But at acting I'm simply rotten
Now in pantomime I'm all the rage
As the hole in the elephants bottom.

Now I don't have to learn any words
There's no script to be simply forgotten.
I just sit at the back pushing turds
Through the hole in the elephan's bottom.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 07:34 PM

To answer the thread title; Involking the name of Trump often serves to reinforce brain circuits to establish Trump as the figure he might want due to repetiton alone.
However a brilliant catchy song is ammunition for the good guys.
Its like don't think of a pink elephant.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 10:51 AM

Brilliant! Work works again!

My humble offering.

Freedom's banner was unfurled
Wide across our troubled world
With the progress made since after World War Two
But we now have gone off track
And I fear we're falling back,
All the progress now has been flushed down the loo.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Brian Grayson
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 06:53 AM

Shall we agree to disagree, children, without the invective?

Herewith my own small and rough-edged contribution to the anti-Trump repertoire:

In a cold new USA
There has dawned a darker day
And I hear a different rumbling in the land
Hate and fear from shore to shore
As the bigots' voices roar
'Tis the raucous cry of Donald's brainless band

Chorus:
Trump! Trump! Trump!
The thugs are marching
The White Crusade is rallying again
The times that try men's souls
Are upon us – on they roll
And it's up to us to shout our answer plain

Do we vent our righteous rage
On the easy Facebook page?
Do we tell ourselves there is no other way?
Or do we raise the banner high
Say "Yes, we can!" for if we try
Might we make a different, brighter, better day?

Additional verses at will, if you please...


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 04:25 PM

Trump has control of the media ?


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 04:03 PM

Democracy, whilst being arguably the most desirable form of political systems, is not without its problems as we have seen. The masses are easily manipulted particularly if one party has control of the media.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 01:42 PM

I am not an uncookied troll. Hitler was able to do bad things Jeri because he lived in a country that did not have a long tradition of Democracy, very unlike the US. There is no comparison...full stop.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 12:10 PM

Peggy Seeger's fine, but not so much the awkward, non-parsing, and difficult-to-translate to English re-writes of verses. Just idiotic. Or alcohol stupidified. Dunno.

The vitriol, disdain, outright hatred can be over-the-top at times. Maybe not something I can stand to read much of. But people gonna creat the songs anyway, and nobody can do anything about it. Also, every time Trump says or does something, it's a new opportunity. While a constant stream of "this guy's a destructive, misogynistic, egotistical psycho/sociopathic jerk" can get old, it seems fairly appropriate for Trump.

Also, the similarity between Hitler and Trump would probably make a good topic for a BS thread, down where the un-cookied trolls can't post. As far as I can see, Hitler was allowed to have a lot of power, wanted to do Bad Things with it, and the public/the world allowed him to (for a while), and then he died. So far, Trump has only had the opportunity to get to the second step. Give him time... and a public that closes their eyes, stops their ears, closes their mouths and never dares. (And gets told not to sing THOSE songs.)


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 10:29 AM

Steve, you do make me smile.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Mathew
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 11:53 PM

As the OP I would like to alter my original statement.


Peggy Seeger is the only one capable of writing a protest song against Trump, I eagerly await it as well, Jim.


I didn't mean to start a thread with so much vitriol, but I believe it is an important issue.

Now back to the productive discussion!


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 07:53 PM

The whole point of making comparisons is to identify any differences as well as any similarities. Comparing things doesn't mean they are identical

It's perfectly reasonable to compare any two political leaders, including Hitler and Trump. When you do it with that pair there are indeed some similarities, as Jim pointed out. It would be interesting to ferret out what significant differences there are.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 07:53 PM

The whole point of making comparisons is to identify any differences as well as any similarities. Comparing things doesn't mean they are identical

It's perfectly reasonable to compare any two political leaders, including Hitler and Trump. When you do it with that pair there are indeed some similarities, as Jim pointed out. It would be interesting to ferret out what significant differences there are.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 02:46 PM

... another hangover from my punk rock agit pop youth...

"Beware of folks who insist they are Apolitical..." 😣


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 02:43 PM

Jim, Jim, Jim! The bloody thread's infested. Dead right, it should be a great discussion. Unfortunately it's gone toxic. As they say on Dragons' Den, I'm out!


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 02:28 PM

Jim:
"Final Chorus
So close your eyes, stop your ears,
Close your mouth and never dare;
And if it happens here, they'll never come for you,
Because they'll know you really didn't care."

It would probably carry better if it read,

"So close your reason, stop your compassion,
Run your mouth yet never clear;
And if it happens here, you'll never come around,
Because we know we really didn't care."

There, that has more self examining in the social commentary...and it's more accurate!

GfS

P.S. Oh, I'm not a 'redneck'....are you saying you are bigoted towards 'reds'???


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Subject: Lyr Add: SONG OF CHOICE
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 01:59 PM

"But I do take exception to the rhetoric that compares him \ Hitler."
No problem with that - show me why not
He has come up on a populist racist ticket,
He has attempted to introduce racist/cultural-based measures aimed at large sections of the American population claiming them t be 'security measures' but in fact, missing out some of the states where the finances and manpower originated from.
When he was knocked back by the Justice System, he denigrated that system.
His own security system has come under fire when they didn't fall in line
The press is being manipulated because it wasn't reporting the right news.
He draws his support from the extremist right, inducing the moribund Klan....
An extremist in the making... and s loose canon
I have avoided name-calling - my comments were aimed at GFS, who I know from old to be a redneck, and at Phil, who chose to compare the left to Hitler and has come out as a Trump supporter.
I have answered as well as I am able, what I believe to be all the musical issues - and more - you have ignored what have put up and now appear to be claiming that I haven't done so.
How about responding to what I have said ?
What musical points have you made exactly?
Jim Carroll

Another of my musical points

SONG OF CHOICE
Freely
Early every year the seeds are growing,
Unseen, unheard, they lie beneath the ground,
Would you know, until the leaves are showing.
That with weeds all your garden will abound.
If you close your eyes, stop your ears,
Hold your tongue, how can you know?
For seeds you cannot see may not be there,
Seeds you cannot hear may never grow.

Rhythmically
In January you've still got the choice,
You can cut the weeds before they start to bud.
If you leave them to grow high, they'll silence your voice,
And in December you may pay with your blood.

Chorus
So close your eyes, stop your ears,
Close your mouth and take it slow,
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear,
And later you can say you didn't know.

Every day another vulture takes flight,
There's a new danger born every morning.
In the darkness of your blindness the beast will learn to bite,
How can you fight if you don't recognise the warning.
Chorus as after 2nd verse.

Today you can earn a living wage,
Tomorrow you may be on the dole;
Though there's millions going hungry, you needn't disengage,
For it's them, not you, who's fallen in a hole.
Chorus

Today the soldiers took away one,
Tomorrow they may take away two,
One April they took away Greece,
But surely they will never take you.
Chorus.

It's all right for you if you run with the pack,
It's alright if you agree with all they do.
If Fascism is slowly climbing back,
It's not here yet, so what's it got to do with you.
Chorus.

The weeds are all around us and they're growing,
It will soon be too late for the knife;
If you leave them on the wind that around the world is blowing
You may pay for your silence with your life.

Final Chorus
So close your eyes, stop your ears,
Close your mouth and never dare;
And if it happens here, they'll never come for you,
Because they'll know you really didn't care.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 08:29 AM

You are doing politics unrelated to music as an anonymous Guest above the line. That's a breach of the spirit of this section.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 08:04 AM

I am neither a redneck nor a troll, nor am I in any way a supporter of Trump. But I do take exception to the rhetoric that compares him \ Hitler. I believe it to be dangerous, ill informed and creating stress for many people who are swayed by this irresponsible babble. Some responses to my comments have not addressed my comments, but have simply called me names..a not unusual pattern for some.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 04:41 AM

That's the idea, Jim. Just don't take the eejit on!


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 04:21 AM

"It's a troll, Jim. The game's not worth the candle."
Doesn't alter the fact that it's an interesting subject Steve and there's no need to allow a couple of rednecks take it over and spoil it.
Who knows - someone with far more skill and imagination might come up with a good song on Trump - I know from experience, that MacColl would have and I have no doubt Peggy is slaving away at one.
How about a parody of the old Jolson song:

When golden showers, they come your way.....

Perhaps not!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 02:15 AM

Come on guys, give yourselves a break and get real.....
Let's turn the clock back just a little bit, and look at a couple of 'protest songs' that were effective, and WHY, OK?

Two songs that came out in the early '60's that REALLY got people's attention were Barry McGuire's 'Eve of Destruction' and Joan Baez, singing Phil Ochs', 'There But For Fortune', OK??...Why did they work??
Mainly because they were more of a 'social commentary', that addressed ALL of us...not just the 'perceived right OR left'....Those two songs blew people away, and WHY?? Besides being done very well, they caused people to THINK!!!...re-examine their priorities, of the 'established 'norm'....they were an eye-opening commentary of what we allowed ourselves to think what was just 'everyday outlooks'..and it cut through how we were so thoughtlessly accepting of the 'status quo'!!
They MADE US THINK AND CONSIDER!!!

The stuff you're ranting about, is reckless name calling, and poorly taking 'aim', '...just to say hurray for our side', (CSN), 'For What It's Worth')' ....but it's time we STOP...Hey look around everybody knows what's goin' down..."....except, how can you know what's going down, when you WILL NOT be objective about what you 'perceive' that the news media, (read: propaganda) is shoving down your throats...whether it's even true or not!!....but, IF it is 'tailor fit' for 'your side' of the divide, you gobble it down as if it were delivered from up on high!!!

The way things have devolved, you/we, are being spoon fed utter hogwash, favoring whatever side, that it is designed to upset!!!
Some of the things that have come out, critical of either side, whatever your flavor, perhaps should be considered, FROM THE OTHER POINT OF VIEW!!!

The 'so called right' sees the 'so-called left' as being 'wrong'...while the 'so-called left' sees the 'so called right' as being 'evil'....and truth to tell, the extremes are both full of shit!!..and both of them have been hypocrites beyond belief!!....THAT has become the 'norm'.....and, just like years ago, a GOOD 'social commentary', addressing this 'status quo' WOULD BE EFFECTIVE!!!....but you know why it isn't being done???......because, the desired effect is a mental and emotional BRAIN-LOCK...by DESIGN!!!.....and like a bunch of idiots, it's NOT being addressed.
Like I just posted before, 'Intelligence is the ability to process information'......and everybody's 'filters' are clogged with bullcrap!

Do you REALLY want to be like the people you fear and hate???....or do you have a 'better way'??

You NEED to be objective, to make a 'social commentary/protest song' work...otherwise, you just become more of the same old worthless flap!!

THINK ABOUT IT!!...GET CLEAR!!...Venting more hostile frustration says NOTHING!!.....

...except how uncomfortable you are being tangled in the puppet master's strings!....and that's a FACT!

Consider it.

GfS


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 02:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfJ0Q3TCGN8


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 17 - 09:03 PM

It's a troll, Jim. The game's not worth the candle.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 17 - 08:31 PM

"Steve, your protests are like Jims outrage..very selective"
I wonder why you peple always claim we are wrong but never offer an argument to what we say
There are a few Trump Trumpeters out there who advocate for this fascist, but not one of you has has the balls to actually address what he is doing - must mean something.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Mar 17 - 06:55 PM

I'd imagine there'll be some pretty good songs about Trump emerging in the Hispanic community right now. Here's a good one from 2015.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 17 - 11:04 AM

Steve, your protests are like Jims outrage..very selective. But it is your usual default position.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 17 - 06:19 AM

"You need to protest yourself Jim and your so-called 'aim'.
"
We all need to prostest pal - otherwise the'll roll over us
"So call me a Nazi."
If you insist - you're a Nazi
Always willing to help a rabid dog over a stile
Perhaps you might care to read what Eleanor Roosevelt hd to say about racists like
yourself.
Interesting lady
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 17 - 05:46 AM

I won't call you a Nazi but I will call you a troll.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Mar 17 - 05:10 AM

Trump is no where near a runner up to Hitler nor is he Americas worst Blunder.

Time, unfortunately, is on our side. We could wait and be proved right. Safe in the warm, smug glow of being proved so. But in the great scheme of things it is a runner-up prize, let us all be honest. And in the fullness of the mess, we will be warm, but not overly smug!

The other thing we can be proved right on, and it is, admittedly, instant gratification - is: Trolls are more about trolling than their actual opinions.

As James Clark Maxwell said - "to measure is to know".


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 13 Mar 17 - 01:56 AM

"This isn't about the effectiveness of protest songs, but who those songs are aimed at."

"Aim"… oy... put the seat up first… y'all ain't the "Dead-Eye-Dicks" you used to was.

I think Eleanor Roosevelt made the right call. I don't see it as mutually exclusive in any way, shape or form. You need to protest yourself Jim and your so-called 'aim'.

Protest songs won't work because you are utterly and willfully tone deaf to the majority of the very real ongoing 'Hispanic Community' &c debates all over the Americas, not just the United States.

I protest clueless, insult spewing peoples everywhere. So call me a Nazi.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 12:01 PM

Anonymous guests making political points in this section without relating them to music is out of order. I protest.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 10:23 AM

Trump is no where near a runner up to Hitler nor is he Americas worst Blunder. As always Jim, your grasp of History is tenuous. I repeat, I am not a fan of Trump but I am not a fan of this over the top rhetoric either, How can anyone take that seriously ?


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 04:04 AM

"I know lefty-folkies are running second place to Hitler lately."
Well at least the gloves off and we know who we are talking to,
This isn't about the effectiveness of protest songs, but who those songs are aimed at.
Why didn't you say so in the first place and stop wasting time?
I'd have thought that Trump was as good a runner up to Hitler as we are likely to get - controlling the media, denigrating the justice system and riding rough-shod over the constitution are enough examples of what happened in Nazi Germany to confirm that.   
Rather than debate his redoubtable qualities (!!), it would appear Phil would rather suppress any protest of America's greatest blunder to date.
"He's just another person expressing his opinions."
So are those who make, sing and appreciate protest songs - he appears to be happy to usilise his right to free-speech, while attempting to suppress ours (under the guise of they might not be good enough)
The one thing that has struck me throughout all these arguments is the total ruthless dishonest of those 'few - happy few, band of brothers' who give this predator their support yet refuse to discuss his actions.
Now we have the soft-sell (or did until the mask slipped)
Let's move on eh - this level of discussion is really not worth getting involved in.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 03:54 AM

Look into the swirling light and repeat "you are a free willed independent thinker"

...yes master...

I am a free willed independent thinker..I am a free willed independent thinker..
I am a free willed independent thinker..I am a free willed independent thinker..I am a free willed independent thinker..... 🙄


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 02:46 AM

....and one more thing, for our ineffectual ideologue friends....

"True wisdom begins, when you listen to others, the same way you would want them to listen to you!"

...Just a thought to consider...

GfS


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 12:54 AM

pfr: ..but as long as you are amusing yourself and happy...

Steve: Has anything ever made you happy?

"Cream colored ponies and crisp apple streudels..."

MrGrath: "He never made tunes up, he grabbed hold of the ones he needed and used them. Like a craftsman who spots the right bit of junk or wood lying around, and makes something new out of it."

The banjoist on Guthrie's Back Where I Come From radio program was none other than Wade Mainer who took Reuben's Train into a new era. Love it.


Hook by Blues Traveler
Doing it on demand is a skill.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 12:34 AM

He's just another person expressing his opinions.....isn't that O.K., anymore?...or does it have to pass the 'politically correct test'?....and just WHO is the ultimate judge of that??....and if it's true...then take it in.
I don't think a thread with this title, should be met with such 'blockage' of exchange....wouldn't you agree?

'Intelligence is the ability to process information.'

GfS


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:06 PM

Phil - don't know who you are [ this is your first blip on my mudat radar..] what your agenda is,
or why you have taken an interest in me today....???

If I don't understand you, it's because you are not exactly coherent...???



.. but as long as you are amusing yourself and happy...


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 08:48 PM

"Grandmaster of the catchy tune" suggests Woody made them himself. He never made tunes up, he grabbed hold of the ones he needed and used them. Like a craftsman who spots the right bit of junk or wood lying around, and makes something new out of it.
.........
As people have said, songs can help people come together and stand together and work together, and it's that kind of thing that gets results. The songs help a little, sometimes they can help a lot maybe. But they are one step in a long journey.

Good songs which can do that can be funny, they can be serious. The one thing they can't be is earnest.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 08:12 PM

You're a rather horrid cynic, aren't you, Phil? Has anything ever made you happy?


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 08:07 PM

My bad... Josh White not not Mr. Bibb.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 07:57 PM

This machine kills...

This Land is Your Land is pure song genius. People can imprint anything from pre-WWII jingoism to a TV commercial and own it. But the song is never the whole show and the show must go on. The Golden Rule in America.

Woody Guthrie was Grandmaster of the catchy little tune and hip three minute ditty. He was the Charlie Sheen/Harper of his day; wrote all his own theme songs and commercial jingles and made good money doing it.

But what if, like Charlie, he was battling addictions and mental health issues on top of being a kind of clueless, insult spewing jerk... on a good day. He has no fucks to give about your Golden Rule and he hasn't taken a bath or brushed his teeth in two weeks.

So do you invite Guthrie and Leadbelly to An Evening of Songs for American Soldiers. at the Roosevelt White House or do you go with those nice young Burl Ives and Leon Bibb fellows?

This Land... eventually went out as a catchy little three verse tune; joined at the hip in the same FDR government issue catalog as God Bless America; Bible on the Table and the Flag upon the Wall and I Am an American, Shout!.

Like I said, pure genius. Onward Christian Soldiers!

pfr: Nevermind then.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 12:35 PM

"pfr: All that because you had to look up 'coif' - jeez Louise."...???????????

..so I just had to look up "coif" after that...

I was at least hoping it was something filthy...

nope.. still haven't a clue what you're on about.....?????


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 12:03 PM

I don't know diddly about 'authentic' 'protest' 'folk' or any other tag. I do discography not art. I do know the Yanks fairly well. I can count as far as needs be. I know lefty-folkies are running second place to Hitler lately.

Calling every other voter they met a dupe or Hitlerite insulted, disrespected and dismissed just enough of the American folk to make it work for Trump. Thanks for the encore offer but… pass.

pfr: All that because you had to look up 'coif' - jeez Louise.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:49 AM

Jeri - massive thumbs up to that... 😎

[the thumbs up emoticons I just previewed looked too rubbish & unclear to post... so I stuck with words..]


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:32 AM

PFR, at some point songs can become more about the writer's cleverness than the purported purpose of the song. The best protest songs are ones people can remember: short, pithy, and probably loud.


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:30 AM

..as in demystifying the processes of communication to facilitate learning and inclusion...

Which is a noble positive statement.. even if it does include too many big words... 😜


errrrmmmm...


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Subject: RE: Why Protest Songs Against DJT won't work
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:18 AM

No.. I'm expressing explicitly what I mean.. no more .. no less..

Clarity of thought and communication is a basic tenet I adhere to.. or at least aspire to...

Since the glorious punk rock era when intelligent youth rallied to the call of demystification as opposed to mystification...

Be suspicious of those who need to over complicate...!!!


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