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BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK

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Subject: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 09:19 AM

SIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 09:25 AM

Mo Farah
1 hr ·

"On 1st January this year, Her Majesty The Queen made me a Knight of the Realm. On 27th January, President Donald Trump seems to have made me an alien.

I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six years - working hard, contributing to society, paying my taxes and bringing up our four children in the place they now call home. Now, me and many others like me are being told that we may not be welcome. It's deeply troubling that I will have to tell my children that Daddy might not be able to come home - to explain why the President has introduced a policy that comes from a place of ignorance and prejudice.

I was welcomed into Britain from Somalia at eight years old and given the chance to succeed and realise my dreams. I have been proud to represent my country, win medals for the British people and receive the greatest honour of a knighthood. My story is an example of what can happen when you follow polices of compassion and understanding, not hate and isolation."


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 10:20 AM

Rumsfeld and Cheney are still subject to arrest in some places in Europe

Is there a link for UK mates?


I JUST REALIZED the UK has far more powerful anti hate speech laws than the USA

This BS but...
I bet in the UK a lot of frustration and bile builds up and that mudcat is almost an oasis to get hate out of their system. Their discussions have more detail and erudite arguments than many US arguments. Also a lot more name calling free for alls, that may be frowned upon in the UK. I don't know how social media works in the UK but its a thought.

Keep Free Speech alive for all including Akenaton, beardedbruce and others who only go round and around in the same circle.

thanks bonzo3legs


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 10:56 AM

Incidentally, please spare a thought for the real 3 legged Bonzo who was put to sleep very peacefully on Thursday, after much suffering over recent weeks from worn out joints and latterly kidney and breathing problems.

Bonzo RIP


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 11:40 AM

Sorry about your pooch, Bonzo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 11:43 AM

When I signed it had reached 200,000+ Now 300,000 and rising.
RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 12:24 PM

Bonzo, I'm so sorry you have had to lose your dog. He looks beautiful in your photo. I bet your heart is breaking. We had our cat Minty put to sleep two weeks ago and we're still in bits. I'm sure Bonzo had a very happy life with you.
Eliza


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 12:29 PM

It is more subtle than thw title suggests. If granted - which I doubt - Trump could come to the UK and undertake every bit of state business that may arise. All he would be denies is the pomp and ceremony of meeting the queen which is the thing that would hurt his ego most.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 01:00 PM

Just curious:

Are you petitioning or have successfully petitioned to have the following also verboten w/in UK:

Putin
Erdogan
Mugabe
el-Sisi
Netanyahu

Like I said, Just Curious

??????????????????


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 01:16 PM

I don't know. Certainly there have been petitions against other state visits. But it is a not relevant - if anyone wants to start a petition against any of the people you list they can. Someone happened to start one about Trump's visit and - at the moment - roughly a thousand more people are signing it every minute. If other people are not the subject of petitions it in no way makes this one suspect.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 01:24 PM

Somehow I doubt Trump is the kinda guy to care about any overseas petitions,
though at the same time I suspect he will be unable to resist concocting some kind of petty spiteful retribution
to inflict against our nation....???


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 01:32 PM

Petition now stands at over 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 01:42 PM

.. Which is not that far off 1% of the entire UK population. Including children.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 01:46 PM

where is the link?


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 01:47 PM

Since I raised it, here's the current figures for UK parliamentary electors:


...between 2014 and 2015 are:
England – 37,399,900, a fall of 1.1%
Wales – 2,181,800, a fall of 2.0%
Scotland – 3,896,900, a fall of 3.4%
Northern Ireland – 1,243,400, a rise of 0.9%


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 01:53 PM

Here is a link to the site


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 04:13 PM

It is tailing off a bit now, but 750,000 looks near certain, with 1,000,000 possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 04:25 PM

It would be wise Not to antagonise President Donal John in this manner. As we are well on our way out of the EU on a rock hard Brexit we shall be depending on a favourable trade deal with the US.

These internet protests are idiocy promoted by a media still stinging from its double defeat.
In 2007, the Queen received on a State Visit, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and members of the Royal family have been sent to various Middle Eastern dictatorships by our government without any recourse to Internet protests.

The real reason for this campaign is bile by people who in the main have no interest or understanding of the political reality.

President Trump is putting into practice what he promised before the election.... policies which were accepted at the ballot box by the electors of the United States of America

On TV this morning a black guy was interviewed, he made it clear that in certain areas like New Orleans, unemployment amongst black people is running at 52% America has serious domestic problems and at least you now have a President who is prepared to take on the media and the establishment in an attempt to make the US safer and to tackle unemployment amongst the forgotten sectors of American society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 04:39 PM

Well personally I don't see the UK getting a good trade deal whether we have a petition or not. Without the EU the UK is desperate for a trade deal and as i said on another post that is about the weakest possible position from which to enter a negotation. And Trump is experienced enough to know it.

And, no it is not a media led campaign, or at least not in the traditional media; it hasn't been going long enough to appear in the press or, as far as i know, on broadcasts. But people on facebook and and Twitter and similar have told their contacts and so on. Surely you realise Trump has said that twitter is a way of bypassing the corrupt media?


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 04:49 PM

I believe the number is now high enough to demand a debate in the house of commons. It will be interesting to see how all these "superior beings" deal with the subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 04:49 PM

You are not addressing my point about president Trump delivering what he promised. He was democratically elected.
What about the Saudi Arabian visits? A few hundred commies protested that... a dictator who routinely decapitates homosexuals....Really discriminates against women etc.   No, it is mainly "liberal" bile.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 04:52 PM

"President Donal John," is it now? That is neither witty nor funny. It marks you out as a pointless buffoon. The rest of your post once again reveals your utter misunderstanding of what has happened and what Trump is about. I asked you some questions yesterday. You dodged, as expected, hoping that you could divert away from responding properly by saying something completely idiotic. Well you can't. You simply don't know what's going on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 04:53 PM

He was elected in the US by Americans. The petition is about the opinions and attitude of the British people. Those are two distinct things, ake.

But feel free to start a petition in favour of him meeting the queen, ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 04:59 PM

But Ake, America's oil sits under Saudi sand. We would not want to antagonize them too much. - might lose the oil and the lucrative arms contracts. All very conveniently overlooked as the snowflakes make idiots of themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 05:37 PM

791,265 signatures now!


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 05:41 PM

I'm getting worse. I thought it said not to allow turnip...it was the missing capital letter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 05:50 PM

DMcG Wrote:
I don't know. Certainly there have been petitions against other state visits. But it is a not relevant - if anyone wants to start a petition against any of the people you list they can. Someone happened to start one about Trump's visit and - at the moment - roughly a thousand more people are signing it every minute. If other people are not the subject of petitions it in no way makes this one suspect.

It's relevant because I brought it up. Reminds me of the use of the word 'snowflake' to mean anti-anti-Trump, except when it's used to be anti-Trump.

Is the UK still safe from Michael Savage? Now there's a 'flake'!


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 06:01 PM

813,813


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 06:10 PM

I meant it is not relevant in the sense that they are independant issues. It is flawed logic to try to weaken an argument about one cause by pointing to other causes that were not supported, especially if that not-support is regarded as opposition to those causes.


Also: mentioning something on the thread does not of itself make those things relevant to the thread. So if I mention tiger and lion sanctuaries (as i did before I decided the point was too abstruse) they would not then become relevant to petitions or trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 06:15 PM

"It's relevant because I brought it up."

So everything that's ever "brought up" here is relevant, eh? Or is that just a very large capital I? 😂😂😂

The petition is an appropriate response to the travel ban. Why should we allow this man to come here, travelling so freely that he can even meet the Queen, when he bans travel for thousands of perfectly decent human beings on account of their religion, accident of place of birth, or ethnicity? Are you beginning to get it yet? And we're not wanting to stoop to his level: we still want him to be free to come here but without all the ceremonials and trappings. Right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 06:40 PM

It's heartening to see so many Americans protesting about this ban in the streets of many cities there. And I see that Trump has changed his 'edict' with regard to visitors from the UK with dual nationality. He doesn't seem to know what he's about does he? He looks a bit silly now, having to go back on his initial ruling.
I think a State Visit should be deferred for a few months until we see which way the wind blows. Things are already looking a bit wonky in my view.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 06:45 PM

We have been here before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_and_arrest_of_Augusto_Pinochet

How long will it take Trump to match Pinochet's murder toll? Two weeks maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 07:27 PM

"He was democratically elected."
Sigh.... SO WAS ******* HITLER
What this thug is doing has now been ruled unconstitutional

Trump used basic racism to get elected - promised of keeping "aliens" out with walls,
He is now unconstitutionally abusing the rights of American citizens and well as abusing one of the things America was based on - the promise to give refuge to those in need
He is a fascist - and those continuing to support him are supporting his unconstitutional fascism
It is to the great shame of Britain (but no great surprise) that our Prime Minister was the first state leader to spring across the Atlantic to 'kiss his ring'
He isn't even serious about American Security
One of the Muslim States significantly missing from Trump's racist hit list is SAUDI ARABIA
I WONDER WHY!!
Profit before security for this Billionair thug
And his supporters here are still refusing to comment on the man and his policies
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 07:39 PM

I wonder how many of his supporters have kids - if so, this is what they are beqeathing them
DOOMSDAY CLOCK
Also not worth commenting on, just like the rest of the
FUCKED-UP planet. no doubt
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 07:58 PM

I think it would be very rude to not let him in. I don't have the confidence in great acts of rudeness as a form of convincing a person they are wrong that so many people on this forum seem to have.

The fact is that the number of people who bother voting and using their democratic right in the USA is a disgrace. All this shit about holding your hand over you heart when the national anthems played - its just not working when it comes to teaching civic responsibility.

That's why they've been saddled with Trump. You have to wonder if half the people protesting now, voted when they had the chance. God knows the man did everything he could to prove he shouldn't be President. You can't blame him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 08:11 PM

Paraphrasing Henny Youngman, "Take my President, please!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 08:38 PM

We're not calling for him not to be let in, Al. We want to prevent any visit becoming a state visit, the kind of thing that will gift him unwarranted legitimacy. He lost by three million votes and is behaving ignorantly and thuggishly. The onus is on him to change his ways and earn that legitimacy, not have it handed to him on a plate by an obsequious Tory government. As for democratic rights and civic responsibility, well the yanks have the same problem as we do - a totally ignorant, through no fault of their own, electorate. I well remember staffroom discussions about the need for political education in schools. You'd have thought we were suggesting a recipe for the next revolution. It was Churchill who said (words to this effect) that if you want to know what's wrong with democracy, just spend five minutes in conversation with the average voter. That's why we've got Trump and that's why we're heading our disastrous way out of the EU. If you keep people ignorant you keep them pliable. The political elite all know that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: ragdall
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 01:25 AM

Hugs to Bonzo. May your faithful buddy rest in peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: ragdall
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 01:30 AM

Keep up the great work, petition signers. If the goal of Putin in assisting Trump's victory was to create Chaos and divisions in the USA and Western world, he's been successful beyond his wildest dreams.

rags


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 02:13 AM

I do not support government by petition any more than I support government by referendum: it is the responsibility of government to decide whether there is a state visit or not. On the other hand I regard it as a fundamental part of any democratic system that the citizens have ways to express their opinions, including marches and petitions. So I fully support this petition in terms of its starement and as paet of a general principle.

Will it create chaos? No. The government will decide how to address it, but the petition is not calling for any restrictions on business dealing with Trump, or his administration. But let me be direct: i signed this petition because i am opposed to restricting travel for the innocent as well as the guilty. I am opposed to restricting rights to family planning. I am opposed to treating women as objects to be grabbed. I am opposed to torture. If the price of supporting that stance is making Putin feel happier, it is unfortunate but I am prepared to pay it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 02:24 AM

The 2016 Presidential Election and the election campaign that preceded it was, according to the rules, "legal". The US system has got two major "flaws" if you can call them that:

1: The Electoral College system. Clinton may have got 3 million more votes in total but Trump won more Electoral College votes by winning more states 304 to Clinton's 227. Get rid of that system and you end up with whoever wins the high population states wins the election to the detriment of the views and desires of the rest of the country. Certain UK voters on this forum complain about this sort of thing in UK Politics (In England it is London and the South-East rule; in Scotland it is the Edinburgh-Glasgow central belt - Because that's where the votes are, so those are the "concerns" that matter) - so the Electoral College system ensures that the tail does not wag the dog.

2: If you have a system whereby ANYONE can stand for election to what is the most powerful position on earth, then the inevitable result given the worst of all circumstances is TRUMP - someone with enough money to throw at the election yet someone who has never held elected office in his life, or ever had any experience of working in a purely political environment wins the election. That is what you got, it is NOT his fault that he won (Personally I thought towards the campaign he was trying everything he could to lose by alienating as many significant groups of electors as he could - yet he still won). He does not need the endorsement of any other nation or government, he is the President of the United States of America, and like it or not, the world has to do business with him as they have had to do business with all his predecessors since the end of the Second World War.

3: In the 2016 Election Campaign out a whole host of candidates the two main parties succeeded in nominating the two candidates that were most loathed and mistrusted by the US electorate - I do not have a clue as to how that can happen, or how that can be allowed to happen.

This flurry of "Executive Orders" might prove to be a good thing as each gets slapped down - it will prove to Trump that he cannot rule by decree.

On another thread Akenaton linked to an article in "The Spectator", well worth a read - it was not as some thought anti-education - it was about the selective type of education put forward by the so-called "liberal elite". It was not some "racist" alt-right group that brought about the Brexit vote in the UK, or brought Trump to the White House in the USA it was the vote of what this so-called "liberal elite" call "the ordinary people".   For a perfect example of what this so-called "liberal elite" think of the ordinary man in the street read Steve Shaw - 29 Jan 17 - 08:38 PM

"As for democratic rights and civic responsibility, well the yanks have the same problem as we do - a totally ignorant, through no fault of their own, electorate. I well remember staffroom discussions about the need for political education in schools."

If I thought that the likes of Steve Shaw would ever have any say in teaching anything connected with politics to children, I'd have my children out of school in an instant and have them educated privately - oh hang on, wait a minute, that is exactly what myself and my wife (a teacher) did do and it turned out to be the best investment we ever made, worth every penny. By the way Shaw, in this day and age, if people are totally ignorant it is generally entirely their own fault, you won't acknowledge that, but somewhere along the line taking personal responsibility comes into the equation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 02:54 AM

FWIW, the petition isn't to stop Trump coming to the UK, it's to stop it being an official State Visit - not the same thing.

BBC News this morning has reported that the petition has been rejected by the Tory government - obviously Maggie May enjoys having her pissy grabbed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 03:44 AM

"BBC News this morning has reported that the petition has been rejected by the Tory government"
I knew nothing of this petition - I assume this is a different petition I received this morning (message dated yesterday)

"Ian Saville 20 hrs ·
There is a petition asking that Trump not be invited for a state visit, which I have signed. However, I have also put up a petition saying he should not be invited for any sort of visit:
I've made a petition – will you sign it?
Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/…/spons…/yPupbe6AYDPTwro9b8Tq
My petition:
Donald Trump should be banned from visiting the United Kingdom.
Given Donald Trump's executive order barring citizens from 7 Muslim countries from entering the United States, his views on climate change, his attitude to women, his encouragement of violence and the authoritarian tone of his statements, it is not in the interests of the UK to allow him to visit.
It is clear that Donald Trump is an authoritarian President, whose views pose a grave danger to UK citizens and to the whole world. Allowing him to visit our country as though he were a normal leader will add to his authority and strengthen his power. He must not be treated as normal. He has already demonstrated that the rhetoric he spouted during his election campaign was not just bluster, and he is prepared to put extreme anti-humanitarian policies into practice. We must not give him credence.
Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/…/spons…/yPupbe6AYDPTwro9b8Tq

I attempted to sign it only to find that it has been blocked pending investigation
What the **** is happening?
This is totally unprecedented.
This is appalling - an open case of an attempt to block protest on behalf of an extremist right wing foreign leader.
"It would be wise Not to antagonise President Donal John in this manner."
And we have our own home-grown little crop of right wing Mudcat quislings ready to sell out our democracy on behalf of this monster.
One of Trump's first actions on being elected was to demand that Farage, the fascist residue of British politics, be appointed Ambassador
This piece of work has his supporters here as well - 'bout time we dug out our "be careful of who you talk to - wall have ears" notices.
Getting our front doors kicked in by jackboots seems the logical next step.
And still our home-grown Trumpeters refuse to address either Trump's extremist nature and the effect it is beginning to have on all of us.
'Bout time they crawled out of their woodwork and justified themselves.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 04:02 AM

news/article-4170964/No10-rejects-calls-cancel-Donald-Trump-s-state-visit.html?ito=social-facebook">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 04:14 AM

Sorry, tried to link to a Mail Online article claiming that No. 10 have 'rejected' the petition to cancel Trump's State Visit, which was posted on FB, but I can't find it now.

Maybe it was another example of 'Alternative Facts'? The Daily Mail specialises in those.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 04:23 AM

Over 977,000 now. It's obviously going to make a million quite soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 04:45 AM

"Getting our front doors kicked in by jackboots seems the logical next step."

Now why would this be the logical next step over there in Miltown Malbay, Co. Clare Jim?

The other petition that has nearly 1 million signatures does not ban Donald Trump as Head of State visiting the UK, whereas the petition copied out in Jim Carroll's post wants Trump banned from visiting the UK because of the temporary 90 day ban he has decreed against seven specified states. The premise would appear to be banning people and denying them access is wrong, so it is perfectly right and acceptable that we should impose a permanent ban and deny him access - Utterly preposterous.

As is the next bit of twaddle:

"Allowing him to visit our country as though he were a normal leader will add to his authority and strengthen his power. He must not be treated as normal."

Ehmmmm hate to point this out to Mr.Saville and to Jim Carroll, but Donald Trump IS the elected and inaugurated President of the United States of America now sworn into Office. This does make him in Mr. Saville's terms "a normal" leader. Being the Head of State of the most powerful nation on the planet, I do not think that he needs any foreign endorsements to "add to his authority and strengthen his power".

With regard to the other petition if he has been invited to visit the UK as the United States of America's Head of State then it is only good manners and sensible diplomacy for him to be received by our Head of State and for the visit to be officially recognised as a "State Visit".

No doubt the visit will result in protests where peaceful protesters turn up carrying various implements they would otherwise never leave the house with, wearing gasmasks and crash helmets, covered head to foot, they will claim extreme provocation due to a police presence and there will be violence, people (Most likely police and innocent bystanders) injured and damage to other people's property, as they protest "peacefully". Still never mind it will be good practice for them in the run up to Brexit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 04:51 AM

"Now why would this be the logical next step over there in Miltown Malbay, Co. Clare Jim?"
It seems your brand of fascism is becoming international - what with US presidents playing and the Brits dancing
Dispute the petition if that's what turns you on - ignoring the extremism of banning petitions seems to be your thing
Go polish your jackboots - you might be needing them when the call comes - though you'll probably be too busy serving greasy frie-ups for the stormtroopers
Seems toy be your place in that particular pecking order
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 04:59 AM

We're now over the million.


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Subject: RE: BS: Petition to not allow trump into the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 05:06 AM

He's the elected President. How the fuck could it be anything except a state visit?

that we turn every state visit from every arsehole into a bloody pantomime with everything from the household cavalry and Widow Twanky herself on display is our fault. Not Mr Trump's.


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