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Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016

Steve Shaw 10 Jun 18 - 04:59 AM
Keith A of Hertford 10 Jun 18 - 03:59 AM
Joe Offer 09 Jun 18 - 03:59 PM
Dave the Gnome 09 Jun 18 - 03:10 PM
punkfolkrocker 09 Jun 18 - 02:37 PM
GUEST,paperback 09 Jun 18 - 02:29 PM
The Sandman 09 Jun 18 - 12:05 PM
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bobad 06 Jun 18 - 10:12 PM
Joe Offer 06 Jun 18 - 09:54 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 11 Jul 17 - 03:17 PM
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The Sandman 18 Dec 16 - 02:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 04:59 AM

In the misquoted words of Basil Fawlty, there are some people here who need to be sent to a vivisectionist...

My post in this thread about Michael, whilst explaining that he and I didn't always get on, had plenty of affection in it for the ould rogue. Several people here recognised what I was saying. I'm happy to let it rest there.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 03:59 AM

Steve,
He had seriously right-wing predilections,

He did not. He just did not share your Far Left predilictions.

Most people don't.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 03:59 PM

OK, so this is a thread to honor Mike and what a wonderful character he was, warts and all. Let's not get bogged down in side stuff. I refreshed this thread because I was pleased to hear one of Mike's recordings on a California folk radio program this week. I wonder how the radio host got the recording. Come to think of it, maybe she got it from me.

Moderators, if there's any editing that needs to be done in this thread, I'll do it. Don't delete any more messages here without consulting me.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 03:10 PM

We all knew about it, Dick.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 02:37 PM

Some of my favourite mudcatters only let death stop them posting here...

The disloyal ex catters who buggered off to face book are not so missed...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 02:29 PM

Pay no heed to the ooze & sludge: "Those who bitch about other's are just hiding from there own downfalls" ~Billiam Brown


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 12:05 PM

Well if any of his detractors knew about the death of his wife Valerie and how he coped with it may they be forgiven their petty remarks, he was a brave man.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 11:03 AM

t?? te????óta µ? ?a?????e?? (tňn tethnekóta mč kakologeîn)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 12:16 AM

If your up There, MGM, say a prayer for JC, he I think he may be in dire straits. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 08:35 PM

Lines at fourscore'n'three

When am I
Going to die?
Who can know
When I'll go?

Michael Grosvenor Myer
    8 October 2015


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 07:17 PM

Sure thing. The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones... He and I didn't get on. He had seriously right-wing predilections, though his erudition in some areas was beyond criticism. As I said, the ultimate curate's egg.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 07:08 PM

I objected to his little dirty that wished for a slow and painful death for me by testicular cancer but, what the heck, I suppose someone liked it...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 07:04 PM

The ultimate curate's egg. What tipped it the wrong way for me was that he was an inveterate Arsenal supporter. Twat. And he wouldn't mind my calling him that...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 10:39 PM

Oh wotz the bloody use! Once Catters get their teeth into a bone ~MGM Lion

I hope he's restin' easy, too


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 10:12 PM

I did too, he was one of the good ones.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 09:54 PM

Somebody reminded me of Mike today. I really enjoyed knowing him.
I hope he's still resting easy.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 03:17 PM

Nice to see this thread at the top again - I was remembering him fondly only yesterday.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Phil Edwards
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 03:12 PM

So sad to read this news. I was fond of Michael - he was very helpful when I was trying to find out more about PB - and always hoped we'd meet some day. Ah well - by and by...! So long, MGM.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Dec 16 - 02:41 PM

dickmiles77@gmail.com


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,EmmTheGM
Date: 18 Dec 16 - 11:56 AM

Dear Good Soldier Schweik
How do i find your email address i wouks like to ask you sonething?

Regards

Emma


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 11:27 AM

thankyou Emma


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 08:22 AM

OMG thank you all for your kind words and the links to the you tube videos, that I remember recording all 40 odd songs of in 2010 in the space of two months! I'm glad that Michael recorded them for others to enjoy forever.

On the day of the funeral I chose him singing 'Magdelene Green' on the way in so to speak and 'The Tailor in the Tea Chest' when the ceremony was finished. I love both of those songs best for different reasons. Both were from his studio CD which I think was recorded in the 80's or 90's when he was still at his peak vocally. I'm not a folkie at all but I am a musician/singer/songwriter so I appreciate all it stands for and when it is sung well, as i do any genre of vocal music. The nearest I get to listen to are modern folk/pop bands like Katzenjammer who played the Cambridge Folk Festival, but I realise there is a big divide between traditional folksters and what is allowed to loosely be called "folk" music nowadays :) I played their CD to Michael and although not his style, he always equally appreciated a good melody and lyrics.

His concertinas and guitar have stayed in the family so that he can be remembered playing them so well.

Yes I will pop back in now and then, although I don't have anywhere near as much time as Michael had to contribute and read the threads but I will try and learn something from you all.


Emma


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 07 Dec 16 - 07:02 PM

Michael...........


Michael, on Youtube

And here..... :0)

'April Morning'
Here too :0)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: gnu
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 09:36 PM

Just catching up again and saw...

Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 12:08 PM

Michael was one of the true Mudcat Characters, very sadly missed.
************************************************************

Yup. Again... RIP and thanks.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 07:01 PM

Emma,

MGM.Lion made 14,096 posts since August 2009 & I enjoyed reading the ones I came across. I assumed he had been around much longer.

I've just been dipping thru his posts & found this -

Sea shanties for fiddle - 23 Aug 2009
    'squeeze boxes are no more traditional for sea songs than any other instrument.'
    Not sure about that, Steve. My friend the distinguished folklorist Bob Thompson [with whom I visited, & collected from Harry Cox - see the definitive Topic "Bonny Labouring Boy" Harry Cox collection] once said to me that he thought the association of seamen with the concertina was one of those bits of 'folklore about folklore', no older than Bert Lloyd's partnership with Alf Edwards; but he changed his mind when I pointed out the concertina-playing pirate in Barrie's 'Peter Pan' [1904], and the ref to sailors 'dancing to the wheezy music of the concertina' in the penultimate paragraph of Somerset Maugham's 'The Moon & Sixpence' [1919]. The concertina is a small but robust, portable but powerful instrument, small enough to fit into a sailor's dunnage without taking up too much of limited fo'csle space, &, unlike the harmonica to which it is so closely related [particularly in its anglo avatar], usable by a singer for simultaneous accompaniment.

sandra in sydney (australia)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 03:26 PM

I don't think I ever crossed his path, but that is my great loss.

Michael contributed to many threads with wit and courtesy.

Emma, I hope you come back and read some of the threads he contributed to. There's a lot of stupidity and bile to wade through but you can easily skip this.

You should be able to easily find his contributions by typing his handle in the search box.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 12:55 PM

I so miss his contribution here.
We used to compare notes privately sometimes.
I would have liked to have been a friend in real life too.
keith.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 12:08 PM

Michael was one of the true Mudcat Characters, very sadly missed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:32 AM

Hi Emma - glad you made it here to read all about Michael and his Mudcat doings. Whether one agreed or disagreed with him, it was always a pleasure to debate with him. He was full of knowledge - and wit. I disagreed with him on many things - and agreed with him on many others. Whatever our respective positions on any topic, we always stayed friends.

Many of us here miss him, though of course we can never miss him as you do - but, as you can imagine, I'm also checking this post for typos and grammatical errors...

...just in case!
xx


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: bobad
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:18 AM

I still miss his presence and his contributions to the many topics we squabble over on this forum. He was truly one of a kind and I, for one, consider myself fortunate to have had the opportunity to interact with him, if only through a keyboard. May his memory be a blessing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,EmmTheGM
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:07 AM

ps... sorry for typos... I meant to say "pride because he was the most wonderful man any girl could have"!"

I can see him spellchecking me right now and see him smiling :)


"Girl" was corrected, but this remark is still in place because it is nice to imagine one last pedantic smile from Michael. :-) --mudelf


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,EmmTheGM
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:04 AM

Hi everyone

I'm Emma, Michael's wife and I came across this thread by chance and am touched by your kindness and comments. It's been almost three months since Michael passed away. I miss him terribly and particularly his determination and pedantry to get to the real truth, as he saw it. It didn't always matter who was right just that it was discussed, he loved pitting his wits intellectually against anyone. He loved Mudcat and although I didn't ever read or see any of his postings in here I knew he was passionate about the detail and would sit for hours typing away and to-ing and fro-ing about most topics.
I remember whenever there were any comments about his work or fine repuation as a writer, or his You Tube videos, his face would light up with pride and so would mine. Pride that he chose me, pride I was good enough to share his life, and pride because he was the most wondeful man any girl could have. I was the lucky one. His music will live on, so will his love of people and life.

Bless you all

love

Emma x


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 21 Sep 16 - 04:26 AM

I never met him but we had mutual friends and I benefited from his musical knowledge. Sad that another Mudcatter has gone before, to add his multiple instrumental skills to the Mudcat Band on the other side.
RtS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 20 Sep 16 - 09:45 AM

I remembered Michael Grosvenor Myer from his reviews of folk music in the Guardian from the seventies on, and was so pleased to re-discover him here on Mudcat. Always interesting, combative but above all informative. RIP Michael.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Sep 16 - 04:53 AM

2009.. ???
that'a a surprise, I thought and felt he'd been here forever..

After i posted yesterday it got me thinking how long I'd actually been a mudcatter.
I can find the earliest known dates of the first appearance of the names punkfolkrocker and guest punkfolkrocker,
but i haven't a clue what names I used before that, or when I was first an anonymous poster.

I'm guesstimating 2003...???

I found this place by chance looking for the words of authentic versions of "Soldier, Soldier, will you marry me"

The wife was obsessed with memories of that song from when it was a regular on the radio we were kids in the 1960s..

Bet MGM would have known all we needed as mere pub quiz trivia in his vast wealth of knowledge...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Sep 16 - 01:15 AM

Michael was a relative newcomer to Mudcat. He first posted as Guest MtheGM (later MGM-Lion) 13 Aug 2009, and his last post was 5 July 2016 - he posted some 14096 messages. He knew a lot of people who were "The Real Thing," and he had lots of interesting stories to tell. I enjoyed his posts here, and I learned a lot from him.
He sent me a CD of some of his recordings from years ago. He was quite the singer in his day.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 20 Sep 16 - 12:30 AM

that's a worry - I cant hold a tune on my own, but that @#$%^&* person back in 1970 ...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,In good company
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 03:35 PM

Just heard another and more musically appropriate phrase. I can hold a grudge as well as I can hold a tune :-)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 02:13 PM

IgC, hakuna matata, as a wise young man once said, "I couldn't hold a grudge even if it had a handle". (hard not to make exception though)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,In good company
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 01:45 PM

No problem. I have let it be known elsewhere but if you had not seen it, you are not to know.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 01:11 PM

Sorry, I didn't know, ingoodcompany, and like they say about good intentions and all that, sorry again


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,In good company
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 12:56 PM

I said my bit much earlier in the thread, pauperback. Michael cannot add anything further to previous dissagreements so it would be futile and irreverent for me to make further comment. I am sure he would be pleased to have someone prolong hostilities beyond the grave though :-/

In good company (aka DtG)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 12:30 PM

And a word or two from DtG seems appropriate, burying the hatchet, so to speak.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 12:22 PM

"De mortuis nil nisi bonum."

Au contraire, surely he's enjoying a little row on his obit thread


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,raymond greenoaken
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 09:30 AM

Feels like the heart's gone out of Mudcat, somehow. RIP Michael: you've enlivened the Folk discourse like no other over the past forty years and more.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Senoufou
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 06:53 AM

Michael himself may have enjoyed the classical Latin quotation, "De mortuis nil nisi bonum."


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 05:15 AM

Michael was also a highly competent "Critic".
I loved his posts he really had "style2, an example vwas when he called me a "booby", I responded by calling him a dunderhead, to be insulted by him on this forum was worth it purely to see what dizzy heights he might attempt to reach with creative use of words. I will miss him


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 05:10 AM

If hilo needs to enter an obit thread in an argumentative frame of mind,
selectively taking issue with 3 words out of context from another mudcatter's respectful balanced sincere appraisal of a highly esteemed complex personality;
then hilo demonstrates just how much MGM stood and shone out above a morass of petty unmemorable non entities.....

MGM LION is one of the most significant losses to mudcat community.
I only ever knew him from his always wise and often infuriating mudcat persona,
but after nearly 15 years, I feel as though I have lost an elder family member.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: meself
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 01:25 AM

Like all of us, the man had his virtues and his flaws. It is enough that so many appreciated who he was, and what he offered, as can be seen on this thread. It is not the time to criticize or to argue about his character. RIP.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 18 Sep 16 - 06:22 PM

It has been suggested above the he was "silly and obnoxious" . he was never either of those things. he was smart, funny and true to his beliefs. I often disagreed with him, but never disrespected his knowledge, learning and basic decency. a very good man indeed!


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