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What is a Royal O

threelegsoman 08 Nov 15 - 03:49 AM
MartinRyan 08 Nov 15 - 04:29 AM
GUEST, topsie 08 Nov 15 - 05:32 AM
GUEST,Allan Conn 08 Nov 15 - 06:31 AM
Steve Gardham 08 Nov 15 - 08:50 AM
GUEST, topsie 08 Nov 15 - 09:59 AM
Megan L 08 Nov 15 - 10:21 AM
MartinRyan 08 Nov 15 - 10:36 AM
Steve Gardham 08 Nov 15 - 01:45 PM
Gallus Moll 08 Nov 15 - 01:50 PM
Vic Smith 08 Nov 15 - 02:16 PM
Johnny J 15 Aug 20 - 08:09 AM
Johnny J 15 Aug 20 - 08:12 AM
GUEST,Observer 15 Aug 20 - 09:35 AM
Stilly River Sage 16 Aug 20 - 04:00 PM
JHW 19 Aug 20 - 02:56 PM
meself 19 Aug 20 - 06:48 PM
Georgiansilver 10 Apr 21 - 05:24 AM
Felipa 10 Apr 21 - 08:01 AM
GUEST,# 10 Apr 21 - 02:18 PM
Felipa 10 Apr 21 - 05:45 PM
Pappy Fiddle 10 Apr 21 - 06:49 PM
Steve Gardham 11 Apr 21 - 08:25 AM
GUEST,Felipa 11 Apr 21 - 09:23 AM
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GUEST,Phil d'Conch 11 Apr 21 - 01:48 PM
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Subject: What is a Royal O
From: threelegsoman
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 03:49 AM

In the song "Loch Maree Islands" the last line of the chorus mentions ... a fine ten pointer or a royal 'o'
I believe a 'ten pointer' is a stag with ten points on its antlers, but I do not know what a 'royal o' is.
Please could someone enlighten me.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: MartinRyan
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 04:29 AM

A "royal stag" has twelve point antlers - may be the connection.

Regards


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 05:32 AM

Maybe "or a royal 'o'" is really "or a royal, oh".


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 06:31 AM

No I think Martin is correct and the lyric is a royal-o. The singer in the song is hoping to bag a stag with ten point antlers or even better one with twelve which is known as a 'royal'. An imperial" has 14 points and a "monarch" 16. Just a quick google on deer stalking terms confirmed that.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 08:50 AM

The Geordies have a song called 'Drucken Bella Royal-o'.

I'll get me coat!


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 09:59 AM

Allan Conn, I think you are agreeing with me - it is just a question of spelling.
We are not talking about something called an "o", which happens to belong to a king, queen, prince or princess. We are talking about something known as "a royal", with the "Oh" or "O" being there to fill up the line of verse, as in "Green Grow the Rushes":

I'll sing you one, oh
Green grow the rushes, oh
What is your one, oh?


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Megan L
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 10:21 AM

nah nah yer aw wrang this is a secret Jacobite song sung by supporters of the prince to let others know that he had passed through their area safely.




Mind you if ye believe that ye'll believe onythin :) Its stormy and ahm bored so blame it on the weather


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: MartinRyan
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 10:36 AM

Actually, it's to do with the takeover of the world by royalist rabbits - Bunny Prince Charlie...

Regards


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 01:45 PM

Nay, nay, nay.....Roy Aloe wiz George Aloe's brither and they hed this sweepstake.......or so I heard.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 01:50 PM

--- and here's me thinkin' Topsie (05.32am) wiz suggestin' hunting aristocratic humans as an alternative tae stags! hahaha


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Vic Smith
Date: 08 Nov 15 - 02:16 PM

I think that a Royal O may be a pub sign with the last two letters 'ak' missing.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Johnny J
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 08:09 AM

When I first heard the song, I always thought it said "fine ten pintas at the The Royal O".

Misheard lyrics, of course, but it seemed appropriate that he would go to the pub afterwards.

:-)


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Johnny J
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 08:12 AM

If you are wondering why I resurrected this thread, I've just been watching "The Queen" on STV where a stag was sadly shot.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 09:35 AM

"I've just been watching "The Queen" on STV where a stag was sadly shot."

Why sadly?

Cannot think of any worse fate for a Stag, particularly a Red Deer Stag, than dying of "old age", which equates to dying from starvation. After they have passed their "prime" deer go through a process of what is called "running back", their teeth wear down to a point where they cannot feed and they lose strength, vitality and condition, they can no longer maintain their position or even a place in the herd and they suffer a long, lingering solitary death.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Aug 20 - 04:00 PM

I have to agree - hunting isn't a cruel death, but starving animals hit in traffic along the interstate highways is a horrible way to die, and the meat isn't often usable after an impact death and lying on the road for a while.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: JHW
Date: 19 Aug 20 - 02:56 PM

Being a single person I may well eat things supplied in a single portion.
Often they bear a little commendation from the Queen, 'Serves One'.
The Royal OK


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: meself
Date: 19 Aug 20 - 06:48 PM

Re: hunting. As my old dad used to say, There's no Sunset Manor in Nature.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 05:24 AM

'O' is used in many songs only to accentuate te last word used.... as in 'She's off with the raggle taggle gypsies o!.    The fox is away to his den 'o'! etc etc.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Felipa
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 08:01 AM

If it's about poaching or hunting, it could be the royal "yowe" , a ewe.

perhaps derived from an old pronunciation of the Gaelic for a yew tree, but I don't think that makes much sense in the context of the line.
"agh" makes a lot of sense, as in "agh-fèidh" a hind, a female deer Agh = heifer; in deer "agh" it can be used for a hind or a fawn. Look up "agh" at https://learngaelic.scot/dictionary/index.jsp and click the icon to hear the sound file. You can also look up agh-fèidh or fawn.

",oh" doesn't make much sense either as it leaves the word "royal" hanging. I think "agh" in reference to a deer is most likely.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: GUEST,#
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 02:18 PM

Found the following

"Show me Airigh N Eilean
Below me Loch Maree
Leave me to my solitude
And let me wander free

To climb the rocky mountains
And search the Glen below
For a fine ten pointer
Or a Royal oh

heh heh, part of a song, the ten pointer and Royal refer to stags"

That is from

https://www.bigtrailie.co.uk/index.php?threads/loch-maree.1910/

**************************

Martin Ryan's post at 08 Nov 15 - 04:29 AM is the answer I think.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Felipa
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 05:45 PM

thanks Hash Mark. I understand Martin Ryan's suggestion noq. If you say a ten-point or a twelve-point, you don't need to say "stag" so you don't need a referent for "royal" (a twelve point) and then just saying "...,o!" makes sense.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Pappy Fiddle
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 06:49 PM

gives the lyrics as the man searching "for a fine ten pointer or a royal 'O' -- the O in quotes meaning, if I understand English, it represents a word that starts with O, popularly abbreviated by an O, or it might be something shaped like an O, I don't know what.

I realized this morning that in all my years I've probably spent less than an hour with a dictionary. All my knowledge of words comes from hearing and reading, from context. So I've gotten pretty good at figuring things out that way. So I figure a royal 'O' is an animal that you could hunt, and someone hunting deer wouldn't be also hunting bugs or little birds, it would be a largish animal.

gives a list with animals that start with O, from the Oahu Amakihi to O’shaughnessy’s Keeled Iguana. I think we can rule out fish, most birds. This is Scotland, right? You don't have alligators, crocodiles or other big lizards so I think we can rule out reptiles and amphibians. Would you have the Ostrich?

As for the royal part, it reminds me of the wisent. The Czar had a herd of these bovines, the Bolsheviks said he loved them more than he loved the people, so as they were getting control of Russia they went and shot them all. So a royal 'O' might be some animal under protection of the king. We'll remember Robin Hood who became an outlaw by shooting a royal deer.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 08:25 AM

Georgiansilver, as usual, hits the nail on the head. The rest is good fun but , dare I say 'pointless'!


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: GUEST,Felipa
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 09:23 AM

Steve, what we needed was to understand "Royal" being used as a noun. And then the addition of "o" (or "oh" or "ho") is no longer a problem.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 10:02 AM

The meaning or 'royal' was explained clearly 3 days ago and Gs explained the addition of the 'o/oh' in very simple clear terms. Anything else, as I say, is good fun.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 01:48 PM

A "royal" is a 12-point stagg.

A "royal-o" is the same as a "name-o" in B-I-N-G-O.


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 04:15 PM

And the little ones picked on the bones-o


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Subject: RE: What is a Royal O
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 04:45 PM

Among the leaves so green-o
My deery-o


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