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BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns

Keith A of Hertford 19 Mar 15 - 10:00 AM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Mar 15 - 09:57 AM
GUEST,# 19 Mar 15 - 09:38 AM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Mar 15 - 09:06 AM
Musket 19 Mar 15 - 08:58 AM
Big Al Whittle 19 Mar 15 - 07:39 AM
Keith A of Hertford 19 Mar 15 - 05:37 AM
Teribus 19 Mar 15 - 05:30 AM
Musket 19 Mar 15 - 04:21 AM
Teribus 19 Mar 15 - 03:37 AM
Big Al Whittle 18 Mar 15 - 07:22 PM
Musket 18 Mar 15 - 02:44 PM
Teribus 18 Mar 15 - 06:37 AM
Big Al Whittle 18 Mar 15 - 05:59 AM
Teribus 18 Mar 15 - 04:45 AM
Big Al Whittle 17 Mar 15 - 09:56 PM
Greg F. 17 Mar 15 - 08:25 PM
Richard Bridge 17 Mar 15 - 06:00 PM
Musket 17 Mar 15 - 04:23 PM
Big Al Whittle 17 Mar 15 - 03:23 PM
Teribus 17 Mar 15 - 02:16 PM
Musket 17 Mar 15 - 02:00 PM
Big Al Whittle 17 Mar 15 - 01:41 PM
GUEST,# 17 Mar 15 - 12:35 PM
Backwoodsman 17 Mar 15 - 12:30 PM
Greg F. 17 Mar 15 - 12:27 PM
GUEST,# 17 Mar 15 - 11:55 AM
GUEST,A Musket 17 Mar 15 - 11:41 AM
pdq 17 Mar 15 - 11:32 AM
Big Al Whittle 17 Mar 15 - 11:17 AM
Teribus 17 Mar 15 - 09:02 AM
Big Al Whittle 17 Mar 15 - 07:11 AM
Teribus 17 Mar 15 - 05:19 AM
Musket 16 Mar 15 - 05:37 PM
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Greg F. 16 Mar 15 - 10:16 AM
olddude 15 Mar 15 - 04:36 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 10:00 AM

HPA and PHE.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 09:57 AM

The reports I quoted were HPE and HPA.
I have never quoted any "well known homophobic Christian website"
That is made up.
Another lying smear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 09:38 AM

Getting to the point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 09:06 AM

Keith reiterates Akenaton's nasty false interpretation (or the interpretation he cuts and pastes from a well known homophobic Christian website) so is guilty as charged.

Keith has done nothing but quote the annual report, in context, with links, to correct errors in your posts.

why have an opinion when you can get historians and hacks to provide it for you?

It is true that my opinion was formed from studying the findings of the historians of that war.
None support yours.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Musket
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 08:58 AM

Ditto. Kiveton January 1985.

Terribulus. I just won a pint when I see Musket next. (Two weeks time when I am in London for a concert.). The pint was on your repeating your inability to see the irony of red top when I mixed military police with tabloids in order to laugh at your sources of information (as opposed to considered view, because like Keith, why have an opinion when you can get historians and hacks to provide it for you?)

So.. I point out your using irrelevance to denigrate and you reply by doing it again.

Not much point in laughing at you any more. Your level of intellect is now plain to see and I apologise for treating you as an equal with sinister views. You are just an old man with crossed wires and frustration. Care homes are full of the buggers.

By the way. Only one Musket is a real doctor but he isn't a doctor so keep trying to throw your insults. You can't even work out a piss poorer riddle.

Keith reiterates Akenaton's nasty false interpretation (or the interpretation he cuts and pastes from a well known homophobic Christian website) so is guilty as charged.

I love Mudcat. I keep in touch with old mates, met a few people I first came across here, get involved in some fascinating music discussions and...

I see the fascination now when people paid to laugh at the residents at Bedlam Hospital. We have real people of the sort political comics get so much mileage out of.

Keep it up. Remind us about Israel willing to negotiate a Palestinian state. That was a blinder. (Just try not to read today's newspapers first. Facts only deflect from bigotry) Not nice when people point out irrelevance in a thread designed to embarrass shocking posts in other threads eh Terribulus?


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 07:39 AM

good song. i heard Ewan sing it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 05:37 AM

Keith A Hole of Hertford insist on stigmatising gay people.

Made up accusation.
Nasty lie.
If I have ever done such a thing, put up an example.

Confident prediction, you will not because you can not.
You just use personal lying smears to attack people who show up your ignorance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 05:30 AM

Ah but Musktwat you or one of the other two went to great pains to explain that you are all doctors - two medical, one not so how are we supposed to differentiate - as far as I see it we have one non-medical doctor who is also a nouveau riche boor, one gay Doctor and one Doctor - you could of course do what would be normal and stick to three separate identities, but that would ruin your rather cowardly little game wouldn't it? Strange that you can refer to him as the Gay Musket but others cannot.

Sorry about not fitting into your Musktwat stereotype, but I my choice of music is my business not yours, and when it comes to those who "propagate sycophantic drivel about the military"

- tell us all again about those RED TOPS
- tell us how much better WWII Generals were who only lost 10% fatalities than WWI Generals who only lost 10% fatalities

Now I will ask again any of you shouting about getting those Doctors involved with euthanasia struck-off?

Also just as an aside how many got sacked in that West Stafford Hospital you looked into Musktwat? You know the one, the one during the period 2005 to 2008 where you stood a better chance of surviving as a member of a foot patrol in Sangin District, Helmand Province, Afghanistan than going into that hospital's Accident & Emergency Department (British Armed Forces losses between 2001 & 2014 in Afghanistan = 453 - What was the "apparently high mortality rates in patients admitted as emergencies" in the Stafford Hospital A&E between 2005 and 2008? They hadn't got a clue, had they, but they put the "estimate" as high as 1,200 - WOW).

Damn me there I go doing it again, confusing a Musktwat with dates, numbers and facts instead of feeding him his diet of choice - Made Up Shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Musket
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 04:21 AM

A few posts ago. When you couldn't say "doctor" but had to say "gay doctor" despite his choice of spouse having no bearing whatsoever on the obligations of doctors regarding curative or palliative practice as opposed to assisting in ending medically fit lives.

Notwithstanding he didn't post the GMC info, I did. This is why we share Musket. It's because of you and your dubious friends who search for chinks in the armour of people in order to minimise the credibility of their posts.

Quoting Ewan MacColl songs is quite ironic. Try some of those he wrote about right wing fools who propagate sycophantic drivel about the military and the establishment. I could see any self-respecting troubadour going away and writing "The Ballad of Accounting" after being entertained with your take on society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 03:37 AM

Musktwat when exactly has "Terribulus EVER insisted "on stigmatising gay people"?

You all seem to believe that I have, so, among the three of you, you must be able to come up with at least one example, but I would take bets that none of you can.

Agree Al, Hamish was a fantastic performer and a brilliant guitarist, vastly underrated.

The Ballad of Tim Evans
(Ewan MacColl)

Tim Evans was a prisoner,
Fast in his prison cell
And those who read about his crimes,
They damned his soul to hell,
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

For the murder of his own dear wife
And the killing of his own child
The jury found him guilty
And the hangin' judge, he smiled.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

Tim Evans pleaded innocent
And he swore by Him on high,
That he never killed his own dear wife
Nor caused his child to die.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

The governor came in one day
And the chaplain by his side,
Said, "Your appeal has been turned down,
Prepare yourself to die."
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

They moved him out of C-block
To his final flowery dell,
And day and night two screws were there
And they never left his cell.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

Sometimes they played draughts with him
And solo and pontoon,
To stop him brooding on the rope
That was to be his doom.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

They brought his grub in on a tray,
There was eggs and meat and ham,
And all the snout that he could smoke
Was there at his command.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

Tim Evans walked in the prison yard
And the screws, they walked behind;
And he saw the sky above the wall
But he knew no peace of mind.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

They came for him at eight o'clock
And the chaplain read a prayer
And then they marched him to that place
Where the hangman did prepare.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

The rope was fixed around his neck
And a washer behind his ear.
The prison bell was tolling
But Tim Evans did not hear.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

A thousand lags were cursing
And a-banging on the doors;
But Evans couldn't hear them,
He was deaf for ever more.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderer, go down."

They sent Tim Evans to the drop
For a crime he did not do.
It was Christy was the murderer
And the judge and jury too.
   Sayin', "Go down, you murderers, go down."


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 07:22 PM

i never heard Hamish sing that one - what a character though!
nobody much mentions his guitar playing - which i really loved. very neat picker!


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Musket
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 02:44 PM

I think my good friend Musket has every right to mention he is gay when Terribulus, Akenaton and Keith A Hole of Hertford insist on stigmatising gay people.

Your view on capital punishment is noted, same as your view on the people of Palestine is noted, and people of Asian descent who are British.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 06:37 AM

Sorry for the diversion Al, but if someone accuses me of something I am innocent of then I think it perfectly in order for me to defend myself.

On capital punishment I have been anti ever since I heard Hamish Imlach sing "The Ballad of Timothy Evans", and took the trouble to look into his case. The verse that really hit home was:

"Tim Evans he went to the drop,
For a crime he did not do.
It was Christie was the murderer
and the Judge and the Jury too"


As for your use of - "poofwatch" God knows what you'll be accused of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 05:59 AM

teribus - you obviously have an opinion on this subject. lets forget neighbourhood poofwatch and talk about capital punishment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 04:45 AM

Oh I'm sorry Musktwats, but what homophobic rant?? Wasn't it Musktwat who continually bombards us with the fact that he is gay on this forum? Now as in all reasonableness it should be that "what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" (Or I suppose in his case what is sauce for the gander is sauce for the gander) If he, or any of the other Musktwats, can say he is gay, then so can I and if he wishes to ram his sexuality, in which I and I dare say every other person on this forum have got absolutely no effin' interest in at all, in our faces, then neither he nor any other of the Musktwats can find any ground for complaint if someone else brings it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 09:56 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 08:25 PM

I don't know, it all gets terribly confusing

Yes, T-Bird, you're easily confused.

We are all of us very well aware of that, thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 06:00 PM

In England "practise" is a verb.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Musket
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 04:23 PM

Interesting. I'm not gay. Musket is though. Musket and Musket are both doctors, but Musket isn't, but he is a doctor. One Musket happens to be gay, two Muskets are medical doctors but only one is practicing and a Musket is a doctor but has never been to medical school and has no clinical qualifications at all.

Terribulus's comments, dragging an irrelevant feature of Musket into it, when Musket isn't gay anyway just serves to show why we share a login. He has a bullying habit of pointing out what he thinks he knows about someone in order to cast doubt on them, especially when he has nothing to add to the debate. I wonder why he pointed out being gay when trying to dismiss me?

Yes, what happened here was fantastic. The civilised world has a fantastic aspect.

Al me old love, I hob nob with all sorts of people. As do you. I wouldn't call Teribus one of us, them or anything else though. His homophobic rant above precludes any recognition of redeeming quality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 03:23 PM

no its not confusing. you know as well as i do its ian. ex-miner, now hobnobs with posh folk and serves on committees (mines a large one!)

and ian - you know as well as i do that Terribus is politically slightly to the right of Benito Mussolini. He would have followed Earl Haigh over the top and into the chateau wine cellar. he thought the peace process in NI would start once the Sinn Fein admitted they were blood thirsty savages with nothing much to moan about.

he's against capital punishment. that's good - he's with us on this one. we need allies on this one. so stop kicking up shit about some demarkation dispute - who does what. who cares if the doctor or the bleeding window cleaner does the killing.
the important thing is to stop the killing. what happened in England was fantastic.

wise government faced down a right wing press and a largely inadequately educated public.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 02:16 PM

As Musktwats could be at least one of three people I won't bother responding to anything that they say. As a practice on any forum I think one posting name having multiple contributors basically sucks - it is as about as cowardly as it can get, not only do they "gang up" they also post as multiple posters which I thought was forbidden on this forum.

But we have one Musktwat - the gay medical one??? - I don't know, it all gets terribly confusing - gleefully explaining how he has robbed a perfectly well qualified Doctor of his living for doing what he possibly had no choice in. That Doctor is barred from working in the EU for doing something that involved ending a life through due process of law, while other Doctors operating a service aimed at the ending of a life which is perfectly legal in some EU member states, but illegal in others - has the medically qualified Musktwat shouted out about them and got them "Struck-off"? - If not why not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Musket
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 02:00 PM

I used to lengthen my short cummings by thinking of Marmite being scraped onto Ryvita.

There again, Al, you don't pour over Internet hits to desperately find things to cast doubt on whatever a select few post. Mainly because said select few question Terribulus's suspect "sources" that inform his posts regarding Palestine, terrorism, WW1 culpability and immigration.

If he insists on sharing his odious outlook, he shouldn't be surprised when others share their disappointment that someone presumably clever and erudite uses his talent for unfortunate propogation of views that fall below any respectable yardstick.

And for the purpose of clarification, this is Ian giving his view on some of the reasons Mudcat threads fall short of interest. Also another reason why Musket is three people with different views and opinions. Confuses only those who prefer to prejudge. Trust me..


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 01:41 PM

'Why he insists in trying to ridicule those who point out his own shortcomings..........'

possibly cos its bloody irritating to have ones shortcomings pointed out....I have found.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 12:35 PM

Revealed, no doubt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 12:30 PM

They should be ashamed of themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 12:27 PM

Well, Guest#, I believe 'em.

Thousands wouldn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 11:55 AM

From a CJCLDS online publication:

"Capital Punishment

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints regards the question of whether and in what circumstances the state should impose capital punishment as a matter to be decided solely by the prescribed processes of civil law. We neither promote nor oppose capital punishment."


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: GUEST,A Musket
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 11:41 AM

The General Medical Council, who holds my professional registration provides guidance to their interpretation of aspects of the Hippocratic Oath. Similarly, registration bodies in many other countries run in concordat.

The declaration of Geneva and other similar stances provide interpretation and guidance to what is a translation of ancient Greek standards and practices. My copy of the oath is indeed in Ancient greek, and as I can't read it, it is purely something for the office wall, together with a dried oak leaf from the tree on Kos that Hippocrates didn't preach from.

The term Hippocratic Oath is a guide. The GMC guidelines and responsibilities are what the term refers to. Terribulus either knows this and is using his usual "try to make a Musket look a twat" again or is ignorant of it, in which case he might have said so.

My good friend Musket was involved in ridding these shores of someone who assisted in executions in Kuwait and I am rather proud to call him a friend for his overall work in helping raise standards in healthcare, especially governance and assurance, using his background as a retired CEO in industry.

What I do know from reading of the Kuwait case is this; The doctor left the country prior to a fitness to practice hearing writing to voluntarily remove himself from the specialist register, saving a drawn out hearing. The GMC case was to be based on the following activities;

Declaring a person to be medically fit enough for execution.

Prescribing sedatives to a level consistent with the Kuwaiti penal code that a prisoner must still be aware of what is happening.

Counter signing the "drop calculations" for the rope length to ensure maximum chance of successful fracture of 2nd & 3rd cervical vertebrae.

Pronouncing the prisoner dead is not an issue, although anticipation of an otherwise healthy person dying and being assigned to declare death at the appropriate point before the execution could be construed as assisting in an execution.

Terribulus is wrong to say that none of this is legally binding, as the principle of the Hippocratic Oath runs a thread through our registration and to touch a patient for purposes that require a doctor without legal registration is assault, a criminal offence.

Why he insists in trying to ridicule those who point out his own shortcomings is not what this thread is about, but for those who laugh at him, I believe this is a good opportunity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: pdq
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 11:32 AM

The Church of LDS (Mormon) is absolutely neutral on the issue of capital punishment.

It is strictly a matter left to the Civil Code that applies to any given jurisdiction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 11:17 AM

its an odd business - when moral decisions conflict with professional decisions.

for example - could s Jehovah's witness be a doctor. how could you function if you didn't believe in blood transfusions.

similarly Mormons believe in an eye for an eye - one told me at least. and they had no problem with capital punishment

i can remember an earnest discussion in The Friend when i was a young Quaker - as to whether you could be a cop and a Quaker. my father was both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 09:02 AM

Point taken Big Al, I am as anti-capital punishment as it is possible to be, but I think somewhere in Musktwats narrative the Hippocratic oath was mentioned, the original version of which stated:

"With regard to healing the sick, I will devise and order for them the best diet, according to my judgment and means; and I will take care that they suffer no hurt or damage.

Nor shall any man's entreaty prevail upon me to administer poison to anyone; neither will I counsel any man to do so. Moreover, I will give no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child.

Further, I will comport myself and use my knowledge in a godly manner.

I will not cut for the stone, but will commit that affair entirely to the surgeons."


Not of course legally binding and not commonly sworn these days the Declaration of Geneva I believe is more commonly used.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 07:11 AM

one is act of humanity, the other is an act of inhumanity.

if your law process can't discriminate - you need some better lawmakers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 05:19 AM

"The British Medical Association keeps a list of doctors around the world, including The USA known to be involved in judicial executions. This helps ensure they cannot work in The EU. Australia / NZ or many other countries nor have papers published as their contravention of the hippocratic oath precludes their registration being recognised."

Always thought that at all "Judicial" executions the two professions that had to be there by law were a Minister of whatever religion the sentenced belonged to and a Doctor to certify that death actually had occurred - could this mandatory presence be considered as "assisting"?

If Doctors are to be "struck-off" for fulfilling part of a legally sanctioned process what then is the status of Doctors involved with the legally sanctioned Voluntary Euthanasia programmes in Netherlands (Where in certain circumstances involuntary euthanasia is permitted); Belgium; Luxembourg; Switzerland; Estonia; Albania; the U.S. States of Washington, Oregon and Montana and the Canadian Province of Quebec?


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Musket
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 05:37 PM

Shimrod for world president? One way of interpreting my horoscope tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 04:55 PM

I'm sure you're right Michael (I was only ten years old in 1957, and I was more interested in Dinky Toys than the law! 😄), but my point still stands - that the jury doesn't, and never has, been able to influence sentencing (except insofar as they decide on the guilt or innocence of the accused).


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 04:53 PM

Atta Boy, PeeDee: kill 'em all & ley Allah sort'em out!


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 03:32 PM

Actually, though, BWM, until the Homicide Act of 1957 which introduced a separate category of Capital Murder, murder was one of very few offences in UK Law where the trial judge had no discretion, but was mandated to impose the death penalty; which could possibly be overturned on appeal, or the offender could be reprieved by the Home Secretary if any vindicating circumstances should appear.

≈M≈

This purely in interests of accuracy, and not any attempt at moral justification.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: pdq
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 03:24 PM

Just for the record, Idaho and Utah, the two states with the highest percent Mormon population, are tied for last in per capita murder rate.

At the other extreme, people in Chicago have a 1 in 1800 chance of being murdered in any given year.

Similarly, people in the Mexican state of Chihuahua have a 1 in 1100 chance of being murdered in any given year, despite the total ban on capital punishment in Mexico.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 02:53 PM

If you think that its bad in Utah, just wait until I become World Dictator (any day now). I intend to re-introduce the death penalty for all sorts of things e.g. speeding, dropping litter, using a leaf-blower, being too noisy when using a mobile phone on public transport and just being annoying generally. You have been warned!


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 12:21 PM

In the UK court system, the only person involved in deciding the sentence is the Judge. The jury simply decide on guilt or innocence and have no part in the sentencing decision. That was true also in the bad old days before we got out of the Middle-Ages and abandoned State-Sanctioned Murder as a form of 'justice'.

Exactly as it should be, IMHO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 10:16 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/16/opinion/death-sentences-with-or-without-a-jury.html?_r=0


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: olddude
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 04:36 PM

El ka-bong with the guitar Lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Musket
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 02:42 PM

I like guitars Dan. Even though they are apparently used to kill fascists.
😎


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Mingulay
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 02:16 PM

It seems to me that there is a simple answer to the authorities' dilemma. All they need to do is send a couple of those strange (young ??? ) men in grey suits and EXACTLY 1/4" haircuts to knock on his cell door with a copy of the Book of Mormon. Within a second or two he would be rendered unconscious, swiftly followed by death from terminal boredom. Simple, effective and very, very cheap.

The two young men? No effect, they would still be droning on as the body was removed, not stopping until they were returned to their hole in the salt. As we say over here 'simples'.

No apologies extended.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: olddude
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 11:42 AM

Well I like guns and hate the death penalty the two are mutually exclusive. Lots of people hunt or target shoot. Big country lots of wilderness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 10:05 AM

"Over one-third of the population to be exact, or nearly 110 million out of 313 million Americans [own passports]." That's from Forbes in 2012.

I would state however that passports in the US are the property of the Department of State.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 08:37 AM

, I've spent time there (admittedly only Texas)

TEXAS? Savages, indeed. The state with the most death penalty executions, several times over. AND, the majority of them black.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 08:17 AM

What percentage of USAian people own a passport I wonder ??


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Musket
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 04:27 AM

My stereotyping was with a purpose.

We all have laws and practice that not all agree with.

But killing prisoners transcends peculiarities and different approaches. It marks a country out on the scale of decency. The position on the scale for The USA somewhat precludes the self appointed exporting of values.

Is the place run from Washington or Hollywood? Buggered if I can tell the difference.

We only have one law that is a stain on the principle of civilised behaviour. The established church (and no other) is allowed to discriminate on sexual orientation and deny them a marriage service, and can sack gay employees for getting married.

You will notice that rather than accept it, all three Muskets, of which only one of us is gay, tend to shout about injustice rather than say it isn't my fault so stop lumping me with my compatriots.

Back on subject. This Musket helped unearth a doctor over here who had assisted in executions in Kuwait. He was struck off and his visa revoked. Sometimes, shouting just isn't enough. The British Medical Association keeps a list of doctors around the world, including The USA known to be involved in judicial executions. This helps ensure they cannot work in The EU. Australia / NZ or many other countries nor have papers published as their contravention of the hippocratic oath precludes their registration being recognised. Mind you, the list can contain errors and doctors on it have either confirmed their involvement or refused to respond.

You see. you can do something about it. We prosecute firms who supply drugs or other goods for the purpose. We will not extradite people at risk of being killed.

You know, if those opposed to it in The USA got off their arses rather than complain every time more progressive countries look down on them, you might just get somewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Utah: The Firing Squad returns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Mar 15 - 03:22 AM

Not savages Joe, I've spent time there (admittedly only Texas) and been very happy, although I was always nervous walking the streets of an evening, and seeing cops with guns scared me to death.

But I can't help but feel that there's a correlation between the gun-culture over there and the continued belief in the death-penalty.

What I do find especially uncivilised, though, is the length of time that those sentenced to death can languish on death-row. In many cases, while awaiting the result of appeals etc., they serve an equivalent prison sentence to that which a murderer would receive in Europe, and then are put to death at the end of that time. Now that is truly inhumane, IMHO.


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