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I need some honest advice

Musket 28 Feb 15 - 05:14 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Feb 15 - 07:47 AM
Thompson 28 Feb 15 - 09:03 AM
GUEST, \ 28 Feb 15 - 04:13 PM
alanabit 28 Feb 15 - 06:00 PM
The Sandman 28 Feb 15 - 08:58 PM
alanabit 01 Mar 15 - 01:48 AM
GUEST 01 Mar 15 - 02:42 AM
Big Al Whittle 01 Mar 15 - 06:35 AM
GUEST,Ed 01 Mar 15 - 06:48 AM
GUEST,Bignige 01 Mar 15 - 07:05 AM
andrew e 02 Mar 15 - 02:16 AM
GUEST,John from Kemsing 02 Mar 15 - 07:02 AM
Big Al Whittle 02 Mar 15 - 07:49 AM
Uncle_DaveO 02 Mar 15 - 11:36 AM
GUEST,Officer Bolix 02 Mar 15 - 12:26 PM
Big Al Whittle 02 Mar 15 - 03:35 PM
alanabit 02 Mar 15 - 04:28 PM
Big Al Whittle 02 Mar 15 - 04:37 PM
alanabit 02 Mar 15 - 10:42 PM
Mr Red 03 Mar 15 - 04:03 AM
GUEST 03 Mar 15 - 01:06 PM
Thompson 03 Mar 15 - 01:08 PM
GUEST,Grishka 03 Mar 15 - 05:45 PM
Thompson 03 Mar 15 - 06:05 PM
Big Al Whittle 03 Mar 15 - 07:59 PM
GUEST,CS 04 Mar 15 - 02:40 AM
Big Al Whittle 04 Mar 15 - 05:16 AM
Thompson 04 Mar 15 - 06:17 PM
Big Al Whittle 04 Mar 15 - 08:18 PM
Mr Red 05 Mar 15 - 03:19 AM
Big Al Whittle 05 Mar 15 - 11:48 AM
GUEST,Stuart Reed 05 Mar 15 - 09:19 PM
alanabit 06 Mar 15 - 01:23 PM
GUEST,Officer Bollix 07 Mar 15 - 05:37 AM
Will Fly 07 Mar 15 - 05:47 AM
alanabit 07 Mar 15 - 08:02 AM
GUEST,Grishka 07 Mar 15 - 09:37 AM
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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Musket
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 05:14 AM

Can I say here and now that contrary to his own words, Al cannot be an asshole.

Arsehole surely?


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 07:47 AM

Steve Shaw - sorry, but the Likes of Vin Garbutt et al aren't my cup of tea. Just a personal thing - I know that many people enjoy them, probably because what they do, they do well.

No need to apologise. He's not up my alley either, but he's damn good at what he does, and, undeniably I think, he combines the roles of folkie and funny man quite well.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Thompson
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 09:03 AM

Purely speaking as an occasional concert-goer here…

I wouldn't rush to see Alan on the basis of this.

Suggestions: show the audience having fun, concentrate much more on them, and cut back to your performance - but then immediately back to people laughing and joining in.

There's something sad and a little… brown… about the composite video. If it's possible instead to find one rollicking show of about 10 minutes and film that, with lots of concentration on happy punters, in a way that would have anyone with a venue rubbing his/her hands and saying "Wow, I want my customers looking like that and having a great time like that", maybe that's the one to go for?


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST, \
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 04:13 PM


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: alanabit
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 06:00 PM

Thank-you everyone who responded. I asked for honest advice – and I certainly got it! Inevitably, a lot of people disliked everything about the video and about me. Bruce Murdoch, one of the toughest and most experienced performers here, who has also been down the busking road, once wrote here in a thread something which he had heard early on in his career: "If you can't handle rejection, you are in the wrong business."
There are people here who feel that I suck as a guitarist, singer, songwriter and entertainer and feel they would stay well clear of any stage which I occupied. It is their prerogative and I respect their decision. In particular I appreciate Gargoyle's comments. He doesn't offer his services as a lifestyle guru to everyone! And as he has written elsewhere that he regards busking as begging, I would be very disappointed if I appealed to his set of values.
This is what he regards as "begging".
Indeed rejection is part of the game. I get it every time I play on the street. My thirty-six years of doing this for a living have also included busking the bars of the Oude Binnenweg in Rotterdam, terraces in Switzerland, festival stages, regular TV in the late nineties and the usual round of clubs, pubs and private functions. Meeting lots of people who do not immediately like you – and working out strategies to overcome their indifference or antipathy – is what the job is all about. And, of course, you fail a lot. Probably the most hated phrase among teachers over here is: "Ich kann das nicht!" ("I can't do that!") I have been a teacher too – and I would always amend that to, "You have not mastered it yet." I apply the same philosophy to my work. When you see that swagger and physical presence of Pete Morton, remember he was not born with it. If you ask him, he will tell you where he learned it – and it didn't come cheap!
Forming your stage persona comes out of risking yourself in all sorts of situations where people are likely to reject you. I found one that seemed to work for me over here – and indeed everywhere. For a long time, I had worried (quite unnecessarily) that the audience really did think that I was as naïve and slow witted as I was pretending to be. It finally clicked for me in Linz in 1988. I realised that they knew very well that I was not naïve. When you are pulling huge crowds and holding them for night after night they know very well that it isn't a fluke. They are not stupid and they don't think you are. The reason it works is because both you and the audience know that you are pretending. This was a breakthrough for me, because I realised that I did not have to be clever, original or witty to get them on my side. The key to it is trust. The audience in Linz trusted me to lead them through an hour or so of silly patter and chorus singing. To some, that makes me "a buffoon"... Well so be it.
It is the same for all performers. It does not matter how clever, talented, witty or original they are, if you don't trust them, you can not possibly find them funny or be interested in what they have to say. I have been told several times here that I am not funny and that my material is rubbish. If you don't like it, of course it is.
Fortunately, the Mudcatters, whom I hold in the highest esteem, take a different view. So while my material is rubbish, trite and unfunny to some, there are artists of the calibre of Pat Cooksey, Jed Marum, Seamus Kennedy, Mike Campbell, Jerry Rasmussen, Bruce Murdoch, George Papavgeris, Big Al Whittle and others who have expressed a different view.
The first thing to say about the video is that I live and work in Germany. Most people speak or understand some English. Very few of them have English to a level that they can understand everything. You can get the audience to sing a simple drinking song with you, but if you try to use the sophisticated wordplay of Tom Lehrer (whom I adore) you are going over their heads. That isn't "cool", it's arrogant. Quite a lot of the people who don't like what I do could probably play the ass off me, but they couldn't do it on a German stage. I have to gauge what they can understand and pitch it at that level. This isn't patronising – it's respectful. I speak some German on stage because I am talking to Germans. This is not an affectation – and by the way – George Papavgeris (who is too modest to tell you this himself) could and would do exactly the same!
I have gigged in the UK in recent years and the gigs have always gone well. I had a lovely evening at St.Albans Folk Club (run by John Breeze) a few years ago. There was another one for Don T in Maidenhead a few days later. There was a short tour with the brilliant Sascha Loss a couple of years ago in which every gig went well. For me (even if it is rubbish!) that means the material works.
So this video cut has failed. It was picked from the footage which we had available and I set out to show a prospective booker that I could get an audience to sing, laugh and listen. That is what happened at the gigs. I still think that is the right message to get across. We tried to get the video to say that. It appears that we didn't. You only have three minutes, so I felt we had to use only excerpts of songs and patter. Of course, if you don't like what I do, it won't matter how I package it, it will fail. However, I am grateful for all the feedback which you have given me and naturally I will be trying to apply the lessons in presentation for the next video cut when the footage becomes available.
Thank-you everyone!


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 08:58 PM

I hve not expressed a view at all ,but I am a very experienced performer, my advice is not to ask for honest advice from anybody but to ask it from an experienced humourous entertainer such as Derek Brimstone, do you understand what i am saying?
if i want advice about pargetting, I ask a master plasterer or someone who is experienced in the skill of pargetting.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: alanabit
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 01:48 AM

Point taken GSS.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 02:42 AM

GSS - so you wouldn't ask the advice of paying punters who have experience of being frequent regular members of audiences...

hmmmm.. a bit short sighted to say the least ???


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 06:35 AM

leveller
I gave up on the folkscene providing a living - when i saw guys like you had taken over who were 'uncomfortable' with professional entertainers and guys like Brimstone and Wizz Jones were struggling. i had hit records, played every other kind of venue ...country music gigs, irish theme bars, old peoples homes..always made a living. always played folk music to real folks. now i'm retired in better circumstances than many of the people who tried to to co-exist with you lot.

true enough - you and your mates are the kings of all you survey. keep your ringbinder good and shiney..

but never have the brass nerve and temerity to comment on the talents of a guy like Al who has proved it with his life as the born again Christians say.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 06:48 AM

never have the brass nerve and temerity to comment on the talents of a guy like Al

So. no one is allowed to make a comment that you disagree with?

Nice liberal thought, Big Al....


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST,Bignige
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 07:05 AM

The days of making a decent living from the Folk Club scene are imho long gone. Its all about Festivals and Open Mics these days. All the Folk Clubs in our area are struggling and in few years they will mostly be a thing of the past.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: andrew e
Date: 02 Mar 15 - 02:16 AM

Hi Alanabit, you could try booking yourself!
Arrange an evening, find a hall, have a couple of floor singers maybe, keep costs right down. Advertise in Community Notices in local papers [free], some flyers around town etc.
You could also try running workshops for singers helping them to relax, and relate to an audience etc.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 02 Mar 15 - 07:02 AM

Dear Alanabit,
               The dates shown on some of your videos indicate you have been performing your particular material publicly for quite some time. It must be obvious to you that you have not cracked it to your satisfaction after all these years otherwise you would not have issued this "crie de coeur". Can one assume it is in respect of your desire to earn more from doing it? Why not get a rewarding job to underpin the your life`s expenses and enjoy entertaining your audiences as well as earning a little "pin money" on the side with busking and club performances during evenings and weekends without the worry of "where do I go now". It is obvious there are many people in Germany who appreciate your act to make it worthwhile.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Mar 15 - 07:49 AM

we're getting Al's confused - any bugger can disagree with me. most sane people do.
there's Alanabit who needs some constructive advice
theres big al whittle - who resents the fact that alana bit is being showered with abuse from people who have never devoted five minutes to the craft of performing. how do i know - cos the disrespect....doesn't happen amongst people who have made effort themselves. its a sort of freemasonry.

we recognise outsiders....


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 02 Mar 15 - 11:36 AM

Your booker is interested in TWO things:

First, the audience having a good time, so they'll come back.

Second, the performer. But mainly as a step toward number one.

The video didn't address the booker's main desired, IMHO.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST,Officer Bolix
Date: 02 Mar 15 - 12:26 PM

Next time, alanabit - just dive into a pool of pirañas. Might be less messy!


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Mar 15 - 03:35 PM

weird one!

I think John from Kensing touches on several issues.

i'm not totally sure of this business of sending out videos, unless specifically asked for is a great idea. i got someone to video me doing a gig when the agent asked specificallyto see me doing certain songs and telling stories. it worked in that case. i worked for him for two years - then i got fed up with paying him!

i'm not sure a scattergun approach is the way to go = who knows what the agent is needing or thinking about that week. with agents, you need to be the answer to their prayers - someone they can use - its how the business works. take the stage - or the german equivalent - study what the buggers want.

what John from K says is very true. working as you have al will give you the confidence bottle and presence of mind that will be useful in other jobs.

anyway - my thoughts, its not a question of playing real folk music, looking like Brad Pitt, or being the greatest musician 'with something really unique to offer'. only civilians believe that shit.

its more a case of finding a likely avenue for your talents. tweaking your talent to make it fit the bill. and getting a foot on the ladder. Carthy and Mac Coll started out that that way. that's why they played skiffle initially . only the plonkers think they were sent down by heaven.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Mar 15 - 04:28 PM

The simple fact is that I am not going to get back into the straight world anyway. Three years ago I was teaching full time in German grammar schools. The contract ran out and there is no way I will get back into it at my age. I can either get back into playing small gigs and busking in the right places, or I can go on Harz IV - the German equivalent of Unemployment Benefit.
I am very confident in what I do and in my ability to get an audience on my side. What I came here for was to find out what people did not like about my video. I thought it showed me getting the audience to sing and laugh - but I sure got plenty of reasons why people did not like it! The next step will be the usual round of telephone work, booking a few more gigs in restaurants, bars etc and then getting in my car or bus and looking for new places to busk.
The feedback I have got here will go into my thinking about the next video. I can ask Derek Brimstone - and maybe Colin Wilkie, who lives in South Germany - for their ideas on presentation. Of course I will evolve and adapt anyway. If I can find towns like Linz, where it's possible to get regular edges, I can work in a whole lot of new patter and routines. That is what makes you better. I can usually win over the crowds - I am just not quite so clever with the bookers...


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Mar 15 - 04:37 PM

hey ... i'm sorry!
i hope i haven't made things worse.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Mar 15 - 10:42 PM

Not at all! Everything that was written about the video can be taken into consideration.
As for survival in Germany/the busking trail... That's not what I came here for!


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Mar 15 - 04:03 AM

If you get a student videographer on board, consider fading-in tiles or inset merges of the audience laughing.
You never know - the student may well be an embryonic folkie. You would be doing him two favours.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 15 - 01:06 PM

I agree with everything that the leveller said in his last two posts. Alanabit asked for honest advice, baw castigated the leveller for giving just that. Was he supposed to lie in order to nurture al's ego?


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Mar 15 - 01:08 PM

Hm. A thought for you, Alan, if you don't mind listening patiently to someone with absolutely no expertise in this :)

I wonder whether you might be able (as Mr Red suggests) to get together with a student videographer, and do a gently funny routine against a cheery background, which could be used in schools as an entertaining add-on to the grammar classes in English?

If it's out of copyright, for instance, and if anyone can offer you the tune, you could use this:


OUGH

l'm taught P-L-O-U-G-H
Shall be pronounced "PLOW"
"Zat's easy when you know", I say
"Mon anglais I'll get THROUGH".

My teacher say zat in zat case O-U-G-H is "oo"
And then I laugh and say to him
"Zees anglaise make me COUGH".
He say "Not coo, but in zat word O-U-G-H is "off".

O sacrebleu ! Such varied sound
Of words make me HICCOUGH.
He say, "Again my friend is wrong ; O-U-G-H is "up"

In hiccough "Zen", I cry, "No more,
You make my throat feel ROUGH".
"Non, non", he cry, "you are not right, O-U-G-H is "uff".

I say, "I try to speak your words,
I can't pronounce them, THOUGH.
"In time you'll learn, but now you're wrong; O-U-G-H is "owe"

"I'll try no more, I shall go mad,
I'll drown me in the LOUGH".
"But before you drown yourself", said he, O-U-G-H is "ock".

He taught no more ! I held him fast
And killed him with a ROUGH.

Auteur: Charles Battell Loomis


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 03 Mar 15 - 05:45 PM

You may consider giving holiday courses to youngsters. Organizers of such courses in Germany include amj. Your selling point would be your experience in teaching on top of "being the real thing" yourself.

A better video would help, but if it is too much polished, it will lose the charm of authenticity.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Mar 15 - 06:05 PM

Also, Alan, by the same token, is there a German equivalent of the Irish scheme Writers in Schools? (Writers in Schools allows schools to bring a writer in to do a workshop or a reading for a couple of hours; they pay mileage for you to get there, and pay you a decent fee - I think it was around €200 last time I did one.)
If you could put together a comedy sketch about learning English, you might find that you could add yourself to the list for such a scheme, and since these gigs normally work by schools telling each other, you would probably find yourself getting some work, which might then lead to other local work - if you were doing a gig in a local school you could call up the pubs in the area and suggest doing a show.
The Irish/American (not sure which - grew up in America till 14, then moved to Ireland) had a funny show on learning Irish, In the Name of the Fada - I think he's currently filming a Chinese show, about learning Mandarin, called Breaking China. Might be worth taking a thoughtful look at some of his work - I'm not saying he's better than you, just that this subject matter and approach might work for you. Here he is doing an Irish version of Jump Around, Léimigí Thart


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Mar 15 - 07:59 PM

Alanabit asked for some advice - instead of constructive adc=vice he got a loas od snotty drivel about what Leveller felt comfortable with. also he made it very obvious he had no respect for someone who had spent a lifetime acquiring performing skills, because it did not conform to his narrow definition of folk music.

guest= you seem have the same lack of understanding.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 04 Mar 15 - 02:40 AM

It's clear that alan is a competent performer and very able at what he does. However the whole act feels to me really dated and uncomfortable.

All that is fine if you know where to find the audiences who enjoy that kind of entertainment and from the video those folk are clearly out there - or at least they were (I can't remember how old some of the clips are).

However as someone else said, the folk music scene is moving more towards taking the music craft very seriously at festivals and open mics. I think people today at folk events expect less of the funny man with a guitar and more of the skilled musician playing folk tunes and songs.

As I said, to me it feels very dated. I don't know the folk club scene terribly well, but with a plethora of skilled and talented artists out there to choose from, I'm not sure that's the kind of act bookers are looking for these days?


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Mar 15 - 05:16 AM

what isn;t obvious from the vid is that alan is agood singer of his own remarkable songs. he is a very good writer. however to earn a crust - like myself - he has to use his considerable performing and music skill outside the folkscene - in his case a busker.

he wants and deserves something better than being told the future of folk music is a gang of prepubertal quantity surveyors playing the masons apron at hundred miles an hour, by the ringbinder readers union.

he's not going to get it cos that's what the folkscene is these days'

my advice to him is that his considerable skills will find no home in the middle class English folkscene. but if he looks hard - he will something better than busking.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Thompson
Date: 04 Mar 15 - 06:17 PM

Mm. But what Alan needs, from the sound of it, is the freelance's support: a good steady gig that can be the bread-and-butter, and which will allow him to build up the jam - folk club and pub performances - more leisurely. That's why I'm suggesting school gigs, if they're obtainable in Germany; if he can base a show on grammar, etc, that will be useful in learning, and at the same time have it funny and fun (and if, of course, there is an arts-in-schools programme in Germany), this might form such a base.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Mar 15 - 08:18 PM

agreed! everything is worth investigating - you nrver know what your own creativity can make into fulfilling work.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Mar 15 - 03:19 AM

I'm with leveller in one aspect, it defines the limits of the spectrum of advice. Harsh though it is to have to read negative thoughts, they are only part of this thread and there is plenty of really sound advice that is probably inappropriate in contexts that have not been outlined by Alan. Cherry pick the advice and good luck PAL! You can only do what you are capable of, be yourself.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Mar 15 - 11:48 AM

oh i dunno. look at the Rosie Harman is 70 thread.

sigificant are the names missing - here is someone who has filled folk clubs. drew people to folk festivals. what does it cost to say happy birthday.

these peole think that their fastidious views on folk music relieves of them of all human resposibilities. fuck em!


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST,Stuart Reed
Date: 05 Mar 15 - 09:19 PM

Alan - if you PM me I may be able to help with gigs in Germany.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: alanabit
Date: 06 Mar 15 - 01:23 PM

Thanks Stuart. I am not able to PM you, because it appears that you have not signed up as a Mudcat member. I am based in Köln and have transport and PA. Is there any way I can reach you?


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST,Officer Bollix
Date: 07 Mar 15 - 05:37 AM

really dated and uncomfortable

I think that's the definition of Folk to many people, CS. My god! Anachronism is the very essence of traditional. In this sense alanabit is bang on the nail and I can't for the life of me understand the savaging he's got here. Honest advice? I think we need to read between the lines here. What he's asking for is the support of the community to give him the faith and courage he needs to enrich his experience of his craft as a performer. There are, God Knoweth, more constructive ways of doing that!

That said, Folk Club audiences are the worst sort. You're playing to a mob rather than individuals; they booked you to win them over on their terms. This means selling your soul to the lowest possible common denominator to a bunch of maladjusted braying wannabe egoists all of whom resent you for being up there playing instead of them. I think we're seeing a lot of that mentality here. These guys are out for blood!

Any artist should be protected from this abuse. The audience is there to win the artist over, not the other way round.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 Mar 15 - 05:47 AM

That said, Folk Club audiences are the worst sort. You're playing to a mob rather than individuals; they booked you to win them over on their terms. This means selling your soul to the lowest possible common denominator to a bunch of maladjusted braying wannabe egoists all of whom resent you for being up there playing instead of them.

Strange - the folk clubs I've played in over the last year or two with my mate Chris have loved what we've done - which is a mix of jazz, ragtime and blues - and we haven't compromised ourselves in any way whatsoever. We enjoy what we play and, if people like it, that's OK with us.

We're certainly not selling our souls - we get booked because people want to hear our music. And if they don't, they simply don't book us. No problem.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: alanabit
Date: 07 Mar 15 - 08:02 AM

I am not sulking because some people don't like my act. I just needed to get some feedback on how to improve my video presentation.
I have not been part of the UK folk scene for over thirty years, so I have no axe to grind against it - nor indeed against anyone who seeks the sort of entertainment he/she likes. However, on the rare occasions when I have been booked as a guest, I enjoyed it immensely and I like to think that the audiences went home happy too.
As it happens, I am off to do a gig tonight and a few jobs have come in lately for the coming months.
I got a small bit of good news yesterday. After the disappointment of internet radio stations being all but driven offline by the greed of American publishers some years ago, it became virtually impossible for smaller acts to get on the radio regularly. So yesterday, the news that two of my albums are on the playlist of an Auckland radio station, in NZ, came as a welcome surprise. It will be a heartening thought the next time that clouds and pigeons hover above me when I am busking in Leverkusen...


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 07 Mar 15 - 09:37 AM

If the above poster is the Stuart Reed, he mentions his mail address on his website. I'd go for it.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: alanabit
Date: 07 Mar 15 - 10:06 AM

Thanks. I tried through PM, but he doesn't appear to be a member here. I shall try that Grishka.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 Mar 15 - 10:07 AM

It is indeed Stuart, who I know well and duet with occasionally. Stu goes to the Continong quite a bit and knows his way around.


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Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Mar 15 - 01:20 PM

Subject: RE: I need some honest advice
From: Big Al Whittle - PM
Date: 05 Mar 15 - 11:48 AM

oh i dunno. look at the Rosie Harman is 70 thread.

sigificant are the names missing - here is someone who has filled folk clubs. drew people to folk festivals. what does it cost to say happy birthday.

these peole think that their fastidious views on folk music relieves of them of all human resposibilities. fuck em!.
I am inclined to agree, all i can say is thank god, that those disciples of those people who imposed rules at the singers club are a spent force, and that things have moved on.


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