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BS: Caliphate

Keith A of Hertford 19 Aug 14 - 04:46 PM
Steve Shaw 19 Aug 14 - 04:40 PM
Richard Bridge 19 Aug 14 - 04:25 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 04:46 PM

Of course it would be Steve.

So, Keith, now you have heard it twice. Responsible Islam condemns the actions of ISIS. Why do you carry on trying to tar all Muslims with the same brush?

I do not, and never have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 04:40 PM

It's called unprincipled opportunism, Richard. And it's utterly unfair to the billion-plus Muslims in this world who want nothing more than peace and security.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 04:25 PM

So now we know that ISIS are arseholes, and that several responsible Islamic sources condemn them. ISIS do not typify Islam. We all condemn them.


Is there any more to be said or do Keith and fellow travellers (oh, sorry, you don't like them either do you?) STILL want to try to tar all Muslims with the same brush?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 03:39 PM

The Islamic State is vowing retribution should U.S. airstrikes hit their militants.

According to Reuters, a newly released video by the Islamic State shows a picture of an American man who had been beheaded in Iraq during the initial U.S. invasion with a caption that translated into English reads, "we will drown all of you in blood."

The Islamic State has focused on its goal of establishing a caliphate by seizing land in Iraq in Syria before launching any potential attacks on the West. Osama Bin Laden famously warned of the risks of establishing a caliphate too early, writing in a document seized in the raid on his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan that an Islamic State could have the adverse affect of dividing the Sunni population.

While Sunnis alienated by the Shia government of Nouri al-Maliki have actually helped the Islamic State's swift march through the northern part of the country, many suggest that defeating the Islamic State will only come with Sunni support.

In the meantime U.S. airstrikes have helped Kurdish and Iraqi Army forces take back some territory in the northern part of the country that had been seized by ISIL. On Monday, the Iraqis regained control of the strategically important Mosul Dam, which has previously been referred to as "the most dangerous dam in the world."

Part of the U.S. offensive in Iraq involves targeting millions of dollars of its own equipment given to the Iraqi Army during the U.S. occupation and later seized by Islamic State militants after they seized two Iraqi military bases this summer. According to Reuters, some of the hardware the U.S. is attempting to destroy includes M1 Abrams tanks (about $6 million per), Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles (about $1 million per), and 53 M198 Howitzer cannons ($527,337 per).

Reuters estimates that the U.S. spends somewhere between $84,000 and $104,000 to destroy between $1 and $12 million of its own military hardware per airstrike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 10:38 AM

Lebanon's Hezbollah kills top jihadist in Syria: NGO
AFP
4 hours ago

Beirut (AFP) - Fighters from Lebanon's Hezbollah have killed a top jihadist from the Islamic State group in Syria who allegedly planned bloody attacks in Lebanon, a monitoring group said on Tuesday.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Hezbollah fighters had killed Abu Abdullah al-Iraqi in the Qalamun region in Syria, near the border with Lebanon.

He "was one of the officials in the Islamic State in charge of preparing suicide attacks", the group said.

"He was killed by a roadside bomb planted by Hezbollah that detonated as his vehicle passed by," the NGO added, saying three other jihadists were also killed in the blast.

Hezbollah's Al-Manar television station meanwhile reported Iraqi's death, but said he had been killed by the Syrian army.

"The Islamic State official Abu Abdullah al-Iraqi has been killed in a Syrian army operation in Qalamun," al-Manar said.

"He was in charge of preparing suicide bombers and the cars used in bomb attacks including those carried out in Lebanon," the station said, broadcasting a photo said to be of Iraqi's bloodied head.

Lebanon's Shiite Hezbollah movement is a close ally of the Syrian regime and has been fighting alongside government troops against an uprising there for more than a year.

Its involvement has helped the army to recapture key territory, but drawn the ire of many in Lebanon, where Hezbollah strongholds have been targeted multiple times by suicide and car bomb attacks.

The attacks have been claimed by jihadist groups who threatened to continue so long as Hezbollah remains in Syria.

In mid-April, the army and Hezbollah took control of most of the Qalamun region, but pockets of opposition fighters, including jihadists, remain in the mountainous border area there between Syria and Lebanon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 08:16 AM

15 Shocking Numbers That Will Make You Pay Attention To What ISIS Is Doing In Iraq
The Huffington Post         | By Nick Wing & Carina Kolodny
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Posted: 08/11/2014 10:57 am EDT Updated: 08/11/2014 1:59 pm EDT Print Article

Over the past few months, the Islamic State, an al-Qaeda offshoot formerly known as ISIS, has mounted a brutal campaign in Syria and Iraq that has allowed it to expand its ranks and win large swaths of new territory. With the stated goal of establishing a Sunni caliphate -- or an Islamic state governed by a religious figurehead -- the insurgent group's fighting has taken a heavy toll on Iraq's Shiite Muslim majority, as well as a number of minority groups, including Kurds and Christians.

While reports of the Islamic State carrying out mass executions, placing heads on fence posts and imposing harsh religious restrictions have sparked concern across the world, they haven't elicited military involvement until now. Over the weekend, U.S. warplanes began bombing Islamist fighters following an announcement by President Barack Obama that he had authorized airstrikes to prevent "genocide."

In light of the recent news, here's an update on the militant group by the numbers:
13,000
The number of square miles thought to be under Islamic State control, a stretch between Syria and Iraq that is roughly the size of Belgium. Other estimates suggest the Islamic State controls an area closer to 35,000 square miles, or roughly the size of Jordan.

1,922
The number of people killed in Iraq in June, according to government figures, making it the deadliest month since May 2007. Official figures report 1,393 civilians, 380 soldiers and 149 policemen among the dead. Another 2,610 people were wounded, the majority of them civilians.

30,000 - 50,000
The number of militants now fighting with the Islamic State, according to a recent estimate by Dr. Hisham al-Hashimi, an expert on the group. Many former Iraqi Army soldiers have been forced to join and others have been recruited from around the region and beyond.

5
The number of nations with which the Islamic State has engaged in direct fighting. In an effort to expand its holdings, insurgents have attacked soldiers from Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey this summer alone. The group is currently pursuing a large offensive against the Syrian Arab Army in the northeast of the country, snatching up large quantities of munitions from military bases.

$2,000,000,000
The approximate value of the Islamic State's cash and assets, according to estimates from terrorism experts. In the midst of its most substantial campaign in June, Islamic State fighters captured the city of Mosul, looting hundreds of million of dollars from banks and acquiring hundreds more in military assets from the Iraqi Army.

$3,000,000
The estimated daily revenue of the Islamic State, from its oil and gas resources alone. Fighters with the group have taken control of oil and gas fields across northern Iraq and Syria, and it "now controls a volume of resources and territory unmatched in the history of extremist organizations," according to Janine Davidson of the Council of Foreign Relations.

3
The number of high-profile jailbreaks carried out by Islamic State forces in the past several months, which led to the freeing of at least 1,500 insurgents, likely including leaders, bomb makers and other militants, according to reports. In an apparent response to these incidents and widespread brutality by Islamic State fighters, Human Rights Watch accused Shiite militia members and other Iraqi Army soldiers last month of having illegally executed at least 255 Sunni prisoners in at least five different massacres.

0
The number of openly practicing Christians thought to be left in the city of Mosul, where the Islamic State has made Christianity punishable by death. While it's impossible to know if Islamic State militants have actually chased every Christian out of the city, recent reports suggest that all remaining Christians had fled Mosul.

Up to 40,000
The number of civilians initially estimated to have been trapped on Mount Sinjar last week after the Islamic State captured the town of Sinjar, near the Kurdish region in northern Iraq, and drove people out of the surrounding areas. While at least 20,000 were reportedly rescued over the weekend by Kurdish rebels from neighboring Syria, the remaining Yazidis are still trapped.

At least 500
The number of Yazidis killed so far by Islamic State fighters in northern Iraq. An Iraqi government minister told Reuters on Sunday that militants had buried some of the Yazidis alive, while they killed others in a mass execution.

At least 300
The number of Yazidi women taken as slaves by the Islamic State, according to human rights minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani. Sudani said there are still concerns that many of the victims will be moved outside of the country, which would make it harder to rescue them. Recent reports also suggest that at least two women were publicly stoned to death by the Islamic State, one of whom faced the punishment for adultery.

500,000
According to a 2011 report in Water Power magazine, this is the number of civilians who could die if the Mosul Dam, the largest dam in Iraq, stops working. Late last week, the Islamic State reportedly seized the dam, which lies on the Tigris River and provides power and water to Mosul and other parts of the region. It requires extensive engineering work to remain operational. It remains unclear what the Islamic State intends to do with it, but simply neglecting the required upkeep would potentially lead to large-scale structural failure.

65
The amount of water (in feet) that would roar toward the city of Mosul if the Islamic State decided to destroy the Mosul Dam, or if were to suffer a catastrophic collapse for any other reason, according to a 2007 letter from U.S. generals stressing the need to secure the dam.

1,500,000
The estimated population of Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan. This number includes an unknown number of foreign workers, some of whom are American military personnel who were dispatched earlier this summer to aid Kurdish Peshmerga fighters in their resistance efforts against the Islamic State. On Saturday, American warplanes began launching airstrikes to help Kurdish forces fighting to defend Erbil.

2
The number of towns reclaimed by Kurdish forces on Sunday following U.S. airstrikes to protect the area from Islamic State militants.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 08:01 AM

Riyadh (AFP) - Saudi Grand Mufti on Tuesday blasted Al-Qaeda and Islamic State jihadists as "enemy number one" of Islam, in a statement issued in Riyadh.

"The ideas of extremism, radicalism and terrorism ... have nothing to do with Islam and (their proponents) are the enemy number one of Islam," the kingdom's top cleric said.

He cited jihadists from the Islamic State, which has declared a "caliphate" straddling parts of Iraq and Syria, and the global Al-Qaeda terror network.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 02:02 AM

It was, if you look, Hen, in response to another post which asserted facts/opinions contained notionally in previous posts which didn't immediately appear locatable, so I was asking for some more precise refs. It wasn't ∴ trying to 'say' anything, in the sense of making a statement, but was interrogative. So what is your po·faced denunciation of it supposed to be 'saying'?

You needn't 'bother' to respond as I don't give a flying one for your piddling reactions in this instance.

But Best Regards in a general way as usual, of course

~The~


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 07:39 PM

Well, Metro Goldwyn Sheep, your post of 12.54 has absolutely nothing to say. Tell me: why do you bother?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 01:22 PM

IRBIL, Iraq (AP) — Islamic extremists shot scores of Yazidi men to death in Iraq, lining them up in small groups and opening fire with assault rifles before abducting their wives and children, according to an eyewitness, government officials and people who live in the area.

A Yazidi lawmaker on Saturday cited the mass killing in Kocho as evidence that his people are still at risk after a week of U.S. and Iraqi airstrikes on the militants.

Meanwhile, warplanes targeted insurgents around a large dam that was captured by the Islamic State extremist group earlier this month, nearby residents said.


In a statement, U.S. Central Command said the airstrikes Saturday were launched under the authority to support humanitarian efforts in Iraq, as well as to protect U.S. personnel and facilities.

Central Command says the nine airstrikes conducted so far had destroyed or damaged four armored personnel carriers, seven armed vehicles, two Humvees and an armored vehicle.

The U.S. began airstrikes against the Islamic State extremist group a week ago, in part to prevent the massacre of tens of thousands of Yazidis in northern Iraq. They fled the militants by scrambling up a barren mountain, where they got stranded. Most were eventually able to escape with help from Kurdish fighters.

Islamic State fighters had surrounded the nearby village 12 days ago and demanded that its Yazidi residents convert or die. On Friday afternoon, they moved in.

The militants told people to gather in a school, promising they would be allowed to leave Kocho after their details were recorded, said the eyewitness and the brother of the Kocho mayor, Nayef Jassem, who said he obtained his details from another witness.

The militants separated the men from the women and children under 12 years old. They took men and male teens away in groups of a few dozen each and shot them on the edge of the village, according to a wounded man who escaped by feigning death.

The fighters then walked among the bodies, using pistols to finish off anyone who appeared to still be alive, the 42-year-old man told The Associated Press by phone from an area where he was hiding. He spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing for his safety.

"They thought we were dead, and when they went away, we ran away. We hid in a valley until sundown, and then we fled to the mountains," he said.

A Yazidi lawmaker, a Kurdish security official and an Iraqi official from the nearby city of Sinjar gave similar accounts, saying Islamic State fighters had massacred many Yazidi men Friday after seizing Kocho.

All of them said they based their information on the accounts of survivors. Their accounts matched those of two other Yazidi men, Qassim Hussein and Nayef Jassem, who said they spoke to other survivors.

It was not clear precisely how many men were killed. Iraqi and Kurdish officials said at least 80 men were shot. Yazidi residents said they believed the number was higher, because there were at least 175 families in Kocho, and few were able to escape before the militants surrounded their hamlet.

Jassem said he was in touch with two wounded men, including a cousin, who fled the village. They called Jassem from the phone of a sympathetic shepherd and described what happened. On Saturday morning, Jassem's cousin called again, pleading for help.

"I can't walk, and we will die," Jassem said his cousin told him, his voice breaking. The 55-year-old said he called Yazidi rebels in the mountains, pleading with them to try to save the men. "They need first aid. Send them a donkey they can sit on, something to carry them." But Jassem said his cousin was a six-hour walk from the rebels and would die before help came. By evening, he lost contact with his relative.

The Yazidis are a centuries-old religious minority viewed as apostates by the Islamic State, which has claimed mass killings of its opponents in Syria and Iraq, often posting grisly photos online.

Yazidi lawmaker Mahma Khalil said the Yazidis in Kocho were given the choice to abandon their religion for that of the fighters. When they refused, "the massacre took place," he said.

Halgurd Hekmat, a spokesman for Kurdish security forces, said the militants took the women and children of Kocho to a nearby city.

Elsewhere in northern Iraq, residents living near the Mosul Dam told the AP that the area was being targeted by airstrikes.

The extremist group seized the dam on the Tigris River on Aug. 7. Residents living near the dam, which is Iraq's largest, say the airstrikes killed militants, but that could not immediately be confirmed. The residents spoke on condition of anonymity out of fears for their safety.

Tens of thousands of Yazidis fled earlier this month when the Islamic State group captured the town of Sinjar, near the Syrian border.

The plight of the Yazidis motivated U.S. and Iraqi forces to launch aid drops. It also contributed to the U.S. decision to launch airstrikes against the militants, who were advancing on the Kurdish regional capital Irbil.

But the Islamic State group remains in control of vast swaths of northeastern Syria and northern and western Iraq, and the scale of the humanitarian crisis prompted the U.N. to declare its highest level of emergency earlier this week.

Some 1.5 million people have been displaced by fighting since the Islamic State's rapid advance began in June.

The decision to launch airstrikes marked the first direct U.S. military intervention in Iraq since the last troops withdrew in 2011 and reflected growing international concern about the extremist group.

Khalil, the Yazidi lawmaker, said the U.S. must do more to protect those fleeing the Islamic State fighters.

"We have been calling on the U.S. administration and Iraqi government to intervene and help the innocent people," Khalil said. "But it seems that nobody is listening."

The United States was not alone in its efforts to ease the dangers in the region.

On Saturday, Britain's Ministry of Defense said it deployed a U.S.-made spy plane over northern Iraq to monitor the humanitarian crisis and movements of the militants. The converted Boeing KC-135 tanker, called a Rivet Joint, was to monitor mobile phone calls and other communication.

Germany's Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier was in Baghdad on Saturday, where he announced his government would provide more than 24 million euros ($32.2 million) in humanitarian aid to Iraq.

Also Saturday, two British planes landed in the Kurdish regional capital of Irbil carrying humanitarian supplies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 01:17 PM

"I hope the balance does not fall to the Muslim side."
.,,.

If it doesn't, it will be no thanks to this gaggle of sleepwalking ostriches...

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 01:04 PM

So, Keith, now you have heard it twice. Responsible Islam condemns the actions of ISIS. Why do you carry on trying to tar all Muslims with the same brush?

I do not, and never have.
British Imams unanimously condemned ISIS, as I did not doubt they would.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 01:01 PM

Everyone condemns the actions of ISIS......until the knife is to the throat, or they become more powerful than your faction.....then you join them or die.

The world at present is in the balance, I hope the balance does not fall to the Muslim side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 12:54 PM

"So, Keith, now you have heard it twice."

Where?

"Responsible Islam condemns the actions of ISIS"

Mandy Rice-Davies pouring from a chocolate teapot. Anyhow, where?, again.

"Why do you carry on trying to tar all Muslims with the same brush?"

Where? yet again.

"You nailed it, Richard."

Oh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 12:28 PM

You nailed it, Richard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 12:25 PM

So, Keith, now you have heard it twice. Responsible Islam condemns the actions of ISIS. Why do you carry on trying to tar all Muslims with the same brush? Is there a reason other than bigotry?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 10:55 AM

Stevie boy,

And MY opinion is that you have not been able to FIND any facts that support your stated viewpoint, and thus object when others do so.


If you don't like the contents of my posts, PROVIDE US WITH SUPPORTED FACTS to support YOUR viewpoint, or admit you are making judgements in the absence of evidence.

Calling names does NOT prove that your opinion has any wrath at all- Just that you have failed to provide any basis other than your bigotry to support it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 10:47 AM

I hope not. That deserves it's own thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 10:45 AM

Is Noah's arc the direction thread drift is taking?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 09:49 AM

BEIRUT/AMMAN (Reuters) - The Islamic State militant group has executed 700 members of a tribe it has been battling in eastern Syria during the past two weeks, the majority of them civilians, a human rights monitoring group and activists said on Saturday.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which has tracked violence on all sides of the three-year-old conflict, said reliable sources reported beheadings were used to execute many of the al-Sheitaat tribe, which is from Deir al-Zor province.

The conflict between Islamic State and the al-Sheitaat tribe, who number about 70,000, flared after the militants took over two oil fields in July.

"Those who were executed are all al-Sheitaat," Observatory director Rami Abdelrahman said by telephone from Britain. "Some were arrested, judged and killed."

Reuters cannot independently verify reports from Syria due to security conditions and reporting restrictions.

Proclaiming a 'caliphate' straddling parts of Iraq and Syria, Islamic State has swept across northern Iraq in recent weeks, pushing back Kurdish regional forces and driving tens of thousands of Muslims, Christians and members of the Yazidi religious minority from their homes, prompting the first U.S. air strikes in Iraq since the withdrawal of American troops in 2011.

The insurgents are also tightening their grip in Syria, of which they now control roughly a third, mostly rural areas in the north and east.

An activist in Deir al-Zor who spoke on condition of anonymity told Reuters that 300 men were executed in one day in the town of Ghraneij, one of the three main towns of the al-Sheitaat tribal heartland, when Islamic State stormed the town earlier this week.

Another opposition activist from Deir al-Zor said residents of al-Sheitaat towns had been given three days to leave.

"Those who were executed during the storming of the al-Sheitaat area are around 300. The rest were killed in the course of the battles," he told Reuters on condition of anonymity to protect his identity.

Civilians fleeing al-Sheitaat towns had either taken sanctuary in other villages or travelled to Iraq, he said.

More than 170,000 people have been killed in Syria's civil war, which pits overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim rebels against President Bashar al-Assad, a member of the Shi'ite-derived Alawite minority, backed by Shi'ite militias from Iraq and Lebanon.

The insurgency is split between competing factions in Syria, with Islamic State emerging as the most powerful.

Tribal powers in Syria and Iraq have had to make the choice between fighting Islamic State or pledging allegiance.

On Friday, a video posted on YouTube showed men who said they were from the al-Sheitaat towns of Kishkeih and Abu Hammam pledging full support for Islamic State.

"We say that what Islamic State stands for is justice," a tribal member sitting in a room with dozens of other men said in a statement that was read out.

The head of the al-Sheitaat tribe, Sheikh Rafaa Aakla al-Raju, called in a video message for other tribes to join them in the fight against the militants.

"We appeal to the other tribes to stand by us because it will be their turn next ... If (Islamic State) are done with us the other tribes will be targeted after al-Sheitaat. They are the next target," he said in the video, posted on YouTube.

Islamic State was condemned on Friday in a U.N. Security Council resolution for "gross, systematic and widespread abuses of human rights and violations of international humanitarian law."


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 12:26 AM

I don't usually read Greg.F's posts on principle -- life just too short for such a malevolent little gnome to impinge on any decent person's consciousness. But I happen to have read this last one (I'm no more obliged to be entirely consistent than anyone else), which confirms the views expressed by several above: that he is all bland self-satisfied assertiveness with not a jot or scintilla of any sort of intellectual argument, and can safely be ignored to go on chuntering away to himself. Why any sensible person wastes time trying to engage him in rational argument [a concept entirely alien to what passes for his 'intelligence'], I cannot imagine.

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Aug 14 - 09:40 PM

But your comment implies that I pick on you,

No, John it does not - or perhaps it does only in what passes for your mind.

What it DOES do is highlight your willingness to look the other way when idiots post nonsense that agrees with your mindset.

And hey, a putz is a putz. Andyou obviously qualify


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Aug 14 - 07:43 PM

Tunesmith is right on target. Archeologists and Oceanographers have studied the Persian Gulf north of the Strait of Hormuz and find evidence of settlements that were submerged after the glacial debris that had piled up at Hormuz eroded through and allowed water to rush into the marshy lowlands. I imagine the effect was rather the reverse of the draining of Lake Bonneville down the now Snake River (leaving behind the Great Salt Lake). Water moves into areas and floods (and becomes the thing of epic stories, like Noah's Arc) or it opens up regions (like scouring huge valleys and now-dry waterfalls in the Columbia River basin). Science often comes along and fills in the gaps where imagination and religion filled the void until the truth was discovered.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 17 Aug 14 - 03:48 PM

"No John, I did not."--Greg F.

Well, as they say in sports, "Let's roll the tape."

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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 02:46 PM

Funny you don't get on your high horse when FW Keith & BooBad do this; its their stock & trade.
[this response to my criticism of your earlier post]
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So, Greg F, you did not ASK me anything...my bad. But your comment implies that I pick on you, and had I looked up your actual post prior to my comment of yesterday, I would have phrased mine differently. Otherwise I stand by what I wrote.

Finally, if your grandmother really would have used the P word, well I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Hope you're having (you've had) a good Sunday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Aug 14 - 08:27 AM

About a month or so ago you asked me, in essence, why I seemed to pick more on your posts as opposed to those of others.

No John, I did not. I really don't give a fart in a high wind about you and/or your opinion way or the other. As MY grandmother WOULD have said: You're a real a putz.

Have a nice day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 17 Aug 14 - 03:57 AM

And yet boobies of the likes of Mr Mouthie-Mather keep posting mockery of me, for saying that I am not an 'Islamophobe' but am just plain scared of Islamism — silly comments like how I had better go to bed with the sheet over my head, or such, just in case the might be a Muslim in the vicinity.

Well, my dears: if it's good enough for our Prime Minister to be scared...

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Aug 14 - 03:49 AM

Cameron, the British Prime Minister has said that "The West is embroiled in a generational struggle against a poisonous brand of Islamic extremism that will bring terror to the streets of Britain unless urgent action is taken to defeat it,"

He warns that Britain will have to use its "military prowess" to help defeat "this exceptionally dangerous" movement, or else terrorists with "murderous intent" will target people in Britain.


The Prime Minister says he fears the struggle will last "the rest of my political lifetime".


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: pdq
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 04:42 PM

"all respect due"


That's not enough to fill the bladder of a piss ant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 04:10 PM

Greg F. - About a month or so ago you asked me, in essence, why I seemed to pick more on your posts as opposed to those of others. I didn't answer then, because I didn't want to get into a peeing contest with you, although I thought and and still think, I had good reason for calling you out. I have now decided to answer your complaint.

I have just finished reviewing all of your posts, to date, for the month of August. While I did not actually quantify them, it appears that the overwhelming majority (perhaps up to 90%) do not add to the discussions, or in anyway move them forward. You primarily try obstruct discussion by getting in zingers and snide remarks. Most of us, from time to, have done so; but with you it is a 'modus operandus'.

So as my grandmother (of blessed memory) might have said, "Stop being a 'nudge', be a 'mensch'."
Nudge (pronounced 'noodj') is a pest. Mensch is a gentleman (or a good boy in her Yiddish world.).

With all respect due, JotSC


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 02:32 PM

FKWT sems to have caught Bullshot's serial postarrhoea. Didn't realize it was communicable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 02:01 PM

Some reports say 350 Yazidis massacred and a thousand women and children abducted.
Also reports of seven hundred executed by ISIS in Syria.

The horror goes on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 01:36 PM

Hundreds of British people are with Isis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 01:29 PM

Another massacre of a minority people is reported today.
"At least eighty men" executed, and the women and children dragged off into slavery, victims of cruel, intolerant fanatics whose intention is to expand their caliphate ever wider.

Hundreds of thousands are fleeing for their lives from these brutal killers and slavers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 10:50 AM

I only meant the topic of the relationship, if any, of the variously named deities.

No further promises.

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 10:32 AM

I shall not return to this topic.

Promise?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 12:40 AM

You might be a good Tunesmith, Tunesmith.

But any sort of a theologian is what you are not.

So let it go. You are just making a fool of yourself.

I shall not return to this topic. There is some nice new paint a few doors down for me to go and watch drying.

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 04:31 PM

MGM-Lion, don't talk nonsense!

"Yahweh is to be revered but loved"

Oh yes, this is the God who drowns the whole world ( apart from the Noah's clan) women, babies, innocents!

If anyone is not afraid of that megalomaniac, then they should be!!!!

But, good news, this God is just a fictional character created by ignorant, primitive people!

AND, followed by modern people who can't separate fact from fiction!


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 04:22 PM

In 1974, in the pub at Broadford on the Isle of Skye, I saw a circular sign propped up behind the bar, done in faux-yank style, which said around its edge "In God We Trust. The Rest Pay Cash." There was another sign in there that said "Credit available here to over-90s who are accompanied by both parents".


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 04:15 PM

Well, prancing clown, anyone can copy 'n' paste and leave it without comment and claim it as "fact". But that is just lazy. I'd rather hear people's opinions, frankly. But we might have to let you off in your case, as you're clearly far too bigoted and inarticulate to actually possess an opinion about anything. And that's my opinion, beardie-weirdie goblin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 03:02 PM

"Don't forget the "God in which you trust" is the same God that Muslims prays to!"

.,,.,.

No. Or, anyhow, not necessarily. This is, in the true sense, begging the question. Whether Allah & Yahweh/Jehovah are to be regarded as cognate/identical, or separate entities at odds with one another, is the question to be established. Remember that to his worshippers, Yahweh is to be revered but loved; while to his, Allah is to be worshipped but feared. Same benign old guy with the long white beard? Shouldn't think so...

So assuming the answer is beginning at the wrong end -- "begging the question", that is, in philosophical terms. This has been a matter of some controversy for quite a long time now -- like 1500+ years.

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 02:52 PM

Given what awaits them under ISIS control, no wonder they are taking up arms.





"Hundreds of women stand armed and ready to bring the fight to the Islamic State on behalf of Iraq's Kurdish population.

The women peshmerga of the 2nd Battalion is a group of 550 women led by Col. Nahida Ahmad Rashid, the New York Post reports, which has been preparing for battle.

"It's an honor to be part of a modern Muslim country that allows women to defend the homeland," an unidentified mother in the battalion told the New York Post.

The battalion has not yet faced IS, but has been training in the Kurd city Sulaymaniyah in Northern Iraq.

Another member of the battalion, who is four months pregnant and has a 5-year-old daughter, told the Post she will go to the front lines if called. "This is my duty, no matter if I am bearing a child or not," she said.

According to the New York Post, peshmerga translates to "those who confront death."


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 12:50 PM

Religion...full stop!
Is the problem!

And, the decision to keep "In God We Trust" on your bank notes, will back-fire dreadfully somewhere down the line!

Don't forget the "God in which you trust" is the same God that Muslims prays to!

Referring to ancient texts - in any way - is not the way for a healthy society to run its affairs!

The West will pay dearly for not completely severing all ties with all - and every - religion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 12:21 PM

Sorry, The Islamists ate my cookie; last was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 12:19 PM

Which lunatic asylum does he live in, Greg?

Same one as the Three Mudcat Stooges; BooBad, FKWT & Bullshot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 10:22 AM

Welcome, Keith. I actually put it there in response to a further post from that Wendell character, but he appears to have been a troll & his posts have been deleted, so my brief correspondence with him is rather floating there in a vacuum.

Heigh-ho.

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 10:02 AM

Steve,

"naturally without comment from you, prancing clown?"


SOME of us think that presenting facts AND LETTING THE READER THINK WHAT IT MEANS is more important than telling other what they are supposed to think about some topic.

Too bad you are not among that group. Some of your posts show intelligence- But you fail to use it for any worthwhile purpose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 09:28 AM

Steve,

Sorry if you don't like cut and pastes- Maybe if you were interested in FACTS instead of your own opinion being discussed you would think otherwise.

If you cannot refute the FACTS that are presented, you are NOT entitled to think your opinion has any more value than anyone else-

If you have NO facts to support your opinion, it's value is far less than those of us who look at the facts FIRST, and THEN have an opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 09:18 AM

Michael, thank you for sharing your story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 09:15 AM

Which lunatic asylum does he live in, Greg?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 09:03 AM

Former Florida Rep. Allen West declared President Obama an Islamist who is intentionally working against the security of the United States.

"The only plausible explanation for many actions taken by President Obama and his administration is that they are working counter to the security of the United States of America," the former Florida congressman and retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel wrote in the post published Wednesday.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/14/allen-west-declares-obama-an-islamist/#ixzz3ASvF6qjQ


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