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BS: Caliphate

bobad 01 Oct 14 - 07:54 AM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Oct 14 - 05:00 AM
Musket 01 Oct 14 - 04:13 AM
Teribus 01 Oct 14 - 03:58 AM
Steve Shaw 30 Sep 14 - 07:46 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 30 Sep 14 - 07:33 PM
Steve Shaw 30 Sep 14 - 07:26 PM
Keith A of Hertford 30 Sep 14 - 09:56 AM
Keith A of Hertford 30 Sep 14 - 09:52 AM
Musket 30 Sep 14 - 09:26 AM
Keith A of Hertford 30 Sep 14 - 08:54 AM
Greg F. 30 Sep 14 - 08:49 AM
MGM·Lion 30 Sep 14 - 08:43 AM
Keith A of Hertford 30 Sep 14 - 06:33 AM
Keith A of Hertford 30 Sep 14 - 05:33 AM
Teribus 30 Sep 14 - 05:11 AM
MGM·Lion 30 Sep 14 - 04:35 AM
akenaton 30 Sep 14 - 04:01 AM
Musket 30 Sep 14 - 03:07 AM
Teribus 30 Sep 14 - 01:41 AM
akenaton 29 Sep 14 - 06:09 AM
Keith A of Hertford 29 Sep 14 - 04:10 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Sep 14 - 08:15 PM
GUEST,Troubadour 28 Sep 14 - 07:25 PM
Greg F. 28 Sep 14 - 10:06 AM
MGM·Lion 28 Sep 14 - 02:06 AM
Keith A of Hertford 27 Sep 14 - 02:57 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Sep 14 - 01:22 PM
Greg F. 27 Sep 14 - 01:05 PM
Musket 27 Sep 14 - 12:50 PM
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MGM·Lion 27 Sep 14 - 01:33 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 07:54 AM

Israel is a Jewish state, and this is primarily in a national sense -- similar to the way that Arab states are Arab, Chinese states are Chinese, etc. Many atheists have a Jewish identity and/or support the existence of a Jewish state.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 05:00 AM

What is so horrible about it is that it concentrates on "Christians" in the middle east.

No Steve.
It is from people in the middle of it describing their own experience to friends and asking to be prayed for.
What is horrible about that?
Did you not actually read it at all?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 04:13 AM

I'm sure that when my farm was dry and crops failing because Israel took all the water first, that I too would read that waffle and say "fair enough."

Mind you, my neighbour thinks there is another way to stop a foreign country starving us of natural resources.

I wonder if anybody else has any chain letters they wish to share? You can get all self righteous and indignant as intelligent people dismiss them out of hand. Christian Aid were working in a village in Kenya a few years ago when I went out to advise a different NGO on aspects of infrastructure. An offshoot of Red Crescent were there too. Whilst Christian Aid and the Red Crescent lot were arguing where to put the new church and new mosque, ITDG were more interested in irrigation, building strong homes and getting s school going before either set of God botherers decided to build one.

Possibly what tipped me from indifference to viewing superstition as a stain on society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 03:58 AM

1: "Perhaps Israel would be a somewhat finer "democracy" if it refrained from serial invasions of its neighbours' sovereign territories"

What serial invasions? Do you mean the ones mounted in defence of their own territory? Please let me know if I am in error in recalling the following

(A) "On 15 May 1947, the General Assembly of the newly formed United Nations resolved that a committee, United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP), be created "to prepare for consideration at the next regular session of the Assembly a report on the question of Palestine". In the Report of the Committee dated 3 September 1947 to the UN General Assembly, the majority of the Committee in Chapter VI proposed a plan to replace the British Mandate with "an independent Arab State, an independent Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem ... the last to be under an International Trusteeship System". On 29 November 1947, the General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union as Resolution 181 (II). The Plan attached to the resolution was essentially that proposed by the majority of the Committee in the Report of 3 September 1947.

The Jewish Agency, which was the recognized representative of the Jewish community, ACCEPTED THE PLAN, but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine REJECTED IT. On 1 December 1947, the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three-day strike, and Arab bands began attacking Jewish targets."


(B) "On 14 May 1948, the day before the expiration of the British Mandate, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, declared "the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel. The following day, the armies of four Arab countries—Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and Iraq—entered what had been British Mandatory Palestine, launching the 1948 Arab–Israeli War"

(C) "After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established. Jordan annexed what became known as the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip."

Now please note Mr. Shaw in all of that there is not one single mention of Tosser Arafat's "invention" and "creation" - i.e. "Palestinians"

Now please show me a map whether it be from Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah or from the Palestine Authority that clearly shows the borders of this so-called sovereign territory of "theirs" and where the borders of the sovereign state of Israel are. Don't sweat too much on that Steve because no such map exists, so much for Arabs wanting a "Two State" Solution (They don't) IF they win then Israel is wiped from the map and the Jewish population will be annihilated.


2: "from referring to itself as the Jewish state when a very large minority of its citizens are not Jewish"

I do not think that they do refer to themselves as the Jewish State - That was terminology transferred from the Peel Commission Report of 1937 and from the 1947 UN Plan.

3: As for:
a: "imprisoning hundreds of Palestinians, including many women and children, without charge"
b: "dividing the land of Palestinian families going back hundreds of years with an apartheid wall"
c: "setting up remote-control sniper fire aimed across the Gaza border with children in its sights" Never heard of that one, but ask anyone who lived in Berlin - they lived with something similar to that for decades.
d: "stealing all the best Palestinian land (shades of Smith's Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa there) for illegal settlements" Basically Bullshit.
e: "detaining Palestinians (but never Israeli Jews) at checkpoints without cause for up to three days" - Probably because Israeli Jews are not attempting to kidnap and kill Israeli citizens?
f: "what they do in Gaza every couple of years, not to speak of the blockade." - Oh by all means let's, Israel unilaterally withdrew entirely from Gaza on the understanding that no further attacks would be mounted on Israel or it's population from Gaza. The attacks continued, to date tens of thousands of missiles, rockets and mortars have been fired indiscriminately into Israeli centres of population - Eh Steve Israel does have the right to defend itself from attack, and not to labour the glaringly obvious - If someone is firing missiles, rockets and mortars at you by the tens of thousands - You old son are under attack - and your best course of action is to do something about it

Now during the First and Second World Wars did the western democracies of France and Great Britain detain people without charge as a security measure? Was land requisitioned and were people forced to vacate their properties (Large chunks of Dorset are still retained in MOD hands), not to mention the disgraceful treatment that the Chagos Islanders have received at the hands of the British Government.

IF the "Palestinians" want all of the above to become things of the past then let the "Palestinians" just for once try peace as opposed to war - They are not going to defeat the Israelis they are not going to drive the Israelis into the sea, they are not going to wipe the stain of Israel from Arab soil - High time after 66 years they woke up to those facts - The Arabs chose to go to war, they lost (repeatedly), you seem to have no problems with Arabs invading, occupying and annexing land in time of war so I am sorry to tell you Mr. Shaw that that particular saw cuts both ways and until the Arabs are prepared to sit down and discuss borders then there is no such thing as an "illegal" settlement because there are no agreed borders.

If you want to compare "lower standards" Mr Shaw would you care to take a look at Israels neighbours in the region?

Egypt: Military Dictatorship since Nasser's coup in 1952. It was the driving force behind most anti-Israeli activity between 1952 and 1979 when Egypt made peace with Israel and that peace has held ever since.

Jordan: Weird sort of "constitutional Monarchy" with a two house system of representatives. The King holds extensive executive and legislative powers and while the lower house of representatives is democratically elected the upper chamber is totally selected by the King. Of all of Israel's neighbours Jordan is least objectionable. They made peace with Israel in 1994 and that peace has held.

Syria: Well now Steve what can I say - an absolute hell hole. Bashar al-Assad's father killed his own people in the tens of thousands - Bashar has killed them in the hundreds of thousands. {Some figures for you Steve in 66 years some 115,078 people have been killed in Arab-Israeli conflicts 21% have been Israeli soldiers and civilians [That works out at roughly five per day] - compared to 260,215 in three and a half years in Syria [And that works out at roughly 204 per day] }

Lebanon: Like "Palestine" Lebanon was set up to be a multicultural, multi-ethnic and multi-religious haven in the region. But the arrival of "Palestinians" in 1948 and in 1970 screwed things up a bit. Perhaps the Lebanese should have let those refugees integrate instead of imprisoning them in camps. Independent in 1943, Arab-Israeli War in 1948, armed insurrection in 1958, civil war in 1975 {Lasted 15 years with ~150,000-odd killed in that one Steve}, Syrian occupation from 1976 until 2005, Reprisal raids by Israel resulting from PLO & Hezbollah attacks on Israel in 1982 and in 2006. Since then conflicts both internal and external have torn the country apart and it now exists as a bomb just waiting to explode - absolute paradise compared to Israel eh Steve?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 07:46 PM

While that may well apply to the Arab states in the region it most certainly does not apply to the state of Israel, which is a democracy albeit one that has existed as a democracy under constant threat of attack and annihilation since the date of its inception.

Perhaps Israel would be a somewhat finer "democracy" if it refrained from serial invasions of its neighbours' sovereign territories, from referring to itself as the Jewish state when a very large minority of its citizens are not Jewish, from imprisoning hundreds of Palestinians, including many women and children, without charge, from dividing the land of Palestinian families going back hundreds of years with an apartheid wall, from setting up remote-control sniper fire aimed across the Gaza border with children in its sights, from stealing all the best Palestinian land (shades of Smith's Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa there) for illegal settlements, from detaining Palestinians (but never Israeli Jews) at checkpoints without cause for up to three days...and let's not even get started on what they do in Gaza every couple of years, not to speak of the blockade. You make an implied excuse for Israel's imperfect democracy. So let's hear you making excuses, point by point if you don't mind, for the lapses referred to in my little litany. And perhaps you might reflect on which of the points in my litany the UK could get away with and still call itself a democracy. Not a one, I'd suggest. But perhaps you have a few excuses up your sleeve as to why we should hold Israel to a far lower standard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 07:33 PM

Looks like not all the bible-banger missionaries were boiled in the pot, unfortunately.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 07:26 PM

I also got that email, Keith, at least two weeks ago. What is so horrible about it is that it concentrates on "Christians" in the middle east. All those Iraqi children who died thanks to sanctions in the 90s and those hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the 2000s, not to speak of the horrors gone through by the imprisoned people of Gaza - not a mention. Where were these supplicants then, I ask myself. As for this bit: Send it to friends and Christians you may know. Send it to your prayer group. Send it to your pastor and phone him/her to pray on Sunday during the service - making a special time of prayer for this. We need to stand in the gap for our fellow Christians. - it's disgusting and just a wee bit racist. And thoroughly unchristian.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 09:56 AM

Oh I see.
That was a piece from Christian Aid website.
A quote, silly.
You have made that mistake before!


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 09:52 AM

Who said we?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 09:26 AM

"We"??

Gosh. Can I have your autograph?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 08:54 AM

If the christians could also show concern for the vast majority of people caught up, that'd be a start.
They do.
For example,

Christian Aid in Iraq

Our work

We work across the Middle East, with programme work spanning Egypt, Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt), Iraq and Lebanon, and we are responding to the Syrian humanitarian crisis.

We began working in the Middle East in the 1950s, supporting the Middle East Council of Churches' assistance to Palestinian refugees.

Discrimination

Our Iraq programme was set up in the early 1990s, initially in response to the impact of the attacks against the Kurdish population in the north and the crisis emerging after the Gulf War. In 2013, our Syria emergency response programme was expanded to include work inside Syria through an ACT sister agency.

Discrimination and exclusion take many forms in the Middle East. Gender discrimination is widespread, and national and ethnic discrimination are prevalent, with Palestinians and Kurds both denied statehood and the right to self-determination. Refugees and migrants are particularly vulnerable, given their exclusion from protection and many official social provisions.

http://www.christianaid.org.uk/whatwedo/middle-east/iraq.aspx?Page=2


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 08:49 AM

So now the 'Cat is a forum for passing on chain letters?

Jesus wept.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 08:43 AM

Ian: No -- I shower every day and quite a lot of my years have passed.
Grasp some of your points now & again; but find your enigmatic gnomic utterances ofttimes make little communication.
When that happens, I usually download a cryptic crossword, one of my main pastimes nowadays. Beats Mudcat most of the time.

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 06:33 AM

This e mail is being circulated to churches and reached mine.
I can not verify it but see no reason to think it fake.

From: exodus20v11@slingshot.co.nz
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: 20/09/2014 18:52:42 GMT Daylight Time
Subj: Urgent Prayer Needed




Dear All,
I have received these two emails from our missionary friends, one yesterday and one this morning. I just wanted to pass it on so that as many people as possible can pray specifically for our brothers and sisters. Much love and blessings

This is so sad...
A friend just got a text message from her brother asking her to shower him and his parish in prayer. He is part of a mission and ISIS has taken over the town they are in today. He said ISIS is systematically going house to house to all the Christians and asking the children to denounce Jesus. He said so far not one child has. And so far all have consequently been killed. But not the parents. The UN has withdrawn and the missionaries are on their own. They are determined to stick it out for the sake of the families - even if it means their own deaths. He is very afraid, has no idea how to even begin ministering to these families who have seen their children martyred. Yet he says he knows God has called him for some reason to be his voice and hands at this place at this time. Even so, he is begging prayers for his courage to live out his vocation in such dire circumstances. And like the children    accept martyrdom if he is called to do so. She asked me to ask everyone we know to please pray for them. These brave parents instilled such a fervent faith in their children that they chose martyrdom. Please surround them in their loss with your prayers for hope and perseverance.

She was able to talk to her brother briefly by phone. She didn't say it but I believe she believes it will be their last conversation. Pray for her too. She said he just kept asking her to help him know what to do and do it. She told him to tell the families we ARE praying for them and they are not alone or forgotten -- no matter what. Her e mail broke my heart. Please keep all in your prayers. Thanks

This came this morning... Just a few minutes ago I received the following text message on my phone from Sean Malone who leads Crisis Relief International (CRI). We then spoke briefly on the phone and I assured him that we would share this urgent prayer need with all of our contacts.

"We lost the city of Queragosh (Qaraqosh). It fell to ISIS and they are beheading children systematically. This is the city we have been smuggling food too. ISIS has pushed back Peshmerga (Kurdish forces) and is within 10 minutes of where our CRI team is working. Thousands more fled into the city of Erbil last night. The UN evacuated it's staff in Erbil. Our team is unmoved and will stay. Prayer cover needed!"

Please pray sincerely for the deliverance of the people of Northern Iraq from the terrible advancement of ISIS and its extreme Islamic goals for mass conversion or death for Christians across this region. May I plead with you not to ignore this email.

Do not forward it before you have prayed through it. Then send it to as many people as possible. Send it to friends and Christians you may know. Send it to your prayer group. Send it to your pastor and phone him/her to pray on Sunday during the service - making a special time of prayer for this. We need to stand in the gap for our fellow Christians.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 05:33 AM

long on assertiveness, but somewhat short in intellectual content or argument.

Amusingly, he accuses others, mostly me, of not debating properly.
He thinks it unfair to produce evidence to support your case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 05:11 AM

"we continue to sink into the mire of greed ignorance and waste."

All personal life choices Akenaton

1300 up


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 04:35 AM

And does anyone else share my distinct impression that, despite his exemplary personal cleanliness, and his ever·so·right·on stances, Musket's posts [that last one being an admirable examplar] are ever so long on assertiveness, but somewhat short in intellectual content or argument. Anyone can say authoritatively "This is so, because it's so, because I say it's so... ad ∞∞∞ in ♠♠♠". But how about some actual convincing arguments to maintain these assertions; eh, Ian?

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 04:01 AM

Can't disagree with the points you make Teribus, but how many other "isms" have actually been put into practice?

Looking to the future there must be better ways of governance than "democracy" which is obviously manipulated by powerful pressure groups, and even more so by the "social media".....not to mention the interests of capital or personal greed.

Take "Socialism", a great theory, but to be put into practice it requires the demolition of the whole apparatus of Capitalism....a mammoth task to provide a level playing field...and a realisation that many people perhaps the majority are going to be worse off financially, with a lower MATERIAL standard of living.

Just like the Scottish referendum, most people don't want to make that leap of faith, so we continue to sink into the mire of greed ignorance and waste.

If the underclass are to be inspired into contributing to society, then the obscenity at the other end of the spectrum must be addressed

If we do not plan for the future, we will have NO future.


Ian takes a lot of showers, doesn't he......must be a right stinker?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 03:07 AM

Contribution from a prime example of intolerance and ignorance, just what this thread needs.

I'm going to get a shower.

If anyone wants to read the final few posts on the Scotland/England thread, they are hilarious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 01:41 AM

Perhaps Akenaton you should have been a bit more specific:

"There is no centre ground in the Middle East, affectations of democratic government are a sham"

While that may well apply to the Arab states in the region it most certainly does not apply to the state of Israel, which is a democracy albeit one that has existed as a democracy under constant threat of attack and annihilation since the date of its inception.

You also ignore balance which is vital for the peace and stability of the region, a region which up until the last few years was vital to the developed economies of this planet - it still is to some in varying degrees.

If indeed democracy is a sham, I have yet to see a better alternative to live under - the same applies to capitalism. Both have outlasted and survived where all the other "isms" have failed miserably.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 06:09 AM

I think even the mods have given up on Ian....perhaps it's better to leave his nonsense in place to let future readers see just what he is made of.

Back to the point, only a fool would fail to realise the danger posed by the lunatics who run the Caliphate, but it is obvious that we contributed to their rise by support of regimes like Saudi Arabia.
We are still working with them.
There is no centre ground in the Middle East, affectations of democratic government are a sham....a cover for the decapitators to do their worst. Assad warned of the danger while we armed his opponents, "useful idiots" for IS.

Democracy itself is a sham......power politics rules...pressure groups or bribery....


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 04:10 AM

Do you not think that the Caliphate deserves criticism?
Or Assad's regime?
I criticise evil where I see it.
You people ignore all that evil all around Israel, and only and always single Israel out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 14 - 08:15 PM

Because he's probably Bibi's uncle. Can't think of any other rational explanation for Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 28 Sep 14 - 07:25 PM

""Richard, every country has a few racists, so why do you only and always attack Israel even on threads like this not even about Israel?
It smacks of racism.
Why do you never attack the institutional racism of Israel's neighbours including the subject of this thread, the Caliphate.""

so, K A of H, why do you only and always attack Israel's neighbours, including the subject of this thread, the Caliphate.

It smacks of racism.

Why do you never admit the institutional racism of Israel, even on threads about Israel?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Sep 14 - 10:06 AM

But do you really think them all equally to be considered, or deplored

They're pretty much the same to the victim. And yup - dead is dead & murder is murder.

The politics is something else entirely, but it doesn'tmodify the result.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Sep 14 - 02:06 AM

Oh come on, Greg. Think of the saying that "Circumstances alter cases". Obviously "a lopped off head is a lopped off head". But do you really think them all equally to be considered, or deplored, whether they belong to Charles I or Mary Queen Of Scots or Sir Walter Ralegh or Danton or Robespierre or M Verdoux or a Boxer rebel or an ISIS hostage or a recent middle-aged female murder victim in Oklahoma?

Away you...

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 02:57 PM

You see, there are some on here who judge all Middle East concerns on which imaginary friend you have and tar all Muslims as bad whilst saying Christians would never this and that and criticising Israel is anti semitic.

Made up slur.
There is no-one here who does any of that.

One of them even says that UK bodies representing groups of mosques don't exist, whilst at the same time they are on the telly deploring ISIS.


If you mean me, you are wrong.
Most large towns have councils of mosques.
There is a Muslim Council of Britain.
There is just no British Council of Mosques which you claimed to quote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 01:22 PM

Greg F: "but a lopped off head- .........................is a lopped off head, no matter who does the lopping."

But in the case of this guy....but this one was just a cop shooting a black man for no reason.... according to the libs on another thread!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 01:05 PM

Sorry M & Boo-

but a lopped off head- ...................................................................................................................................................is a lopped off head, no matter who does the lopping.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 12:50 PM

Mrrzy. The bit about not confusing the ISIS crowd with Islam per se.

You see, there are some on here who judge all Middle East concerns on which imaginary friend you have and tar all Muslims as bad whilst saying Christians would never this and that and criticising Israel is anti semitic.

One of them even says that UK bodies representing groups of mosques don't exist, whilst at the same time they are on the telly deploring ISIS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 03:53 AM

Greg and Steve, and I don't know who else:
"Anyone who thinks "job even slightly done" in Afghanistan is ignoring both history and current reality".

Yeah, We learned from Iran/Contra....this time we're guarding the opium poppy fields ourselves....and need a larger force to guard the guards!"

Same shit...different flies!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 01:33 AM

Of course that was a false equivalency, most dubiously motivated, of Greg F's. The Oklahoma incident related was a recognisedly illegal beheading by a criminal individual, in no way comparable to these quasi-judicial ones perpetrated by a disputedly but self-claimingly competent organisation, of the sort with which we are concerned. A blatantly irrelevant attempt at deflection from the topic.

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 11:36 PM

Musket, which of my many good points did you mean (*BG*)?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 08:45 PM

Ha, ha Greg....gotcha!

G'night to ya too and a mighty fine night it is in our neck of the woods ain't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 08:03 PM

G'night, Boo- keep up the flood of BS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:58 PM

"ISIS?"

So, you see absolutely no difference at at all between that event and ISIS, right?

And before you say "I didn't say that" that is what you are implying.....it's just another one of your lame attempts at creating a false equivalency and it's getting old and rather sad but whatever floats your boat I guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:35 PM

ISIS?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:00 PM

Anyone who thinks "job even slightly done" in Afghanistan is ignoring both history and current reality

And the winner is...... TERIBUS the TERRIBLE!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:26 PM

Undercover footage:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/new-video-uncovers-life-in-is-controlled-syrian-city-of-raqqa-185906172.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:00 PM

Anyone who thinks "job even slightly done" in Afghanistan is ignoring both history and current reality. Karzai has been no more than the mayor of Kabul for over a decade. And just wait until we've all gone home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 11:54 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 09:10 AM

No contribution then.
Just lying smears against anyone who disagrees with Musket on anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 09:08 AM

See? I told you the communique wouldn't take long being issued..

It also includes newsfeeds at no extra cost...


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:24 AM

So Musket, do you have any contribution to make on this issue, or are you only interested in smearing actual contributors?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:18 AM

In Algeria a French tourist is beheaded by a group claiming allegiance to the Caliphate.

Guardian, 24 sept.
"President François Hollande has confirmed that a French citizen kidnapped in Algeria was beheaded by militants linked to Islamic State (Isis), and said the murder would only serve to reinforce his determination to support efforts against the jihadists.

The group calling itself Jund al-Khilafah – or Soldiers of the Caliphate – released a video that appeared to depict the beheading of Hervé Gourdel, 55, a mountain guide from Nice who had only arrived in Algeria the previous day. The video was entitled Message in Blood for the French Government."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/24/french-tourist-beheaded-algeria-isis-linked-jihadis


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:39 AM

"us v them" bigots here judge people by appearance, religious heritage or their attitude to a particular rogue state

Who are these people Musket, or have you made up imaginary straw people to knock down?

Can you give one example of anyone doing any of those things?
Of course not!


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:33 AM

Plight of Yazidi women and girls taken by Caliphate.

"Meanwhile, experts say some 4,500 individuals - including about 3,000 women and children - remain in IS hands.

The young women and girls are being treated as spoils of war and trafficked around the region. Only a few have managed to escape.

Adla has just been reunited with her husband at a camp in the town of Zakho. She was taken with others from her village and held for 38 days.

"At first I was taken to a big house in Mosul. It was full of women," says Adla, trembling. "They locked all the windows and doors and surrounded it with guards."

"Every day or two, men would come and make us take off our headscarves so they could choose which of us they wanted. Women were dragged out of the house by their hair."

Adla was taken from her village by IS militants and held for 38 days until she eventually fled to safety
As Adla was moved from place to place, she saw her friends being violently beaten and raped. One was forced to leave with her little son at gunpoint."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29333327


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:12 AM

Good point Mrrzy. Snag is, some of the "us v them" bigots here judge people by appearance, religious heritage or their attitude to a particular rogue state they love fawning at the exclusion of all others.

If you wish to know who I mean, their spokesthickcunt will issue a communique shortly no doubt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 09:10 PM

Arab lady blasts jihadists:

a href="http://news.yahoo.com/female-uae-pilot-leads-strikes-jihadists-130519981.html">http://news.yahoo.com/female-uae-pilot-leads-strikes-jihadists-130519981.html

Triumph for Arab women? Or one more innocent female brainwashed by violent macho culture? Or meaningless propaganda stunt? Or perhaps it never even happened....

Mudcat spinmeisters will decide....


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 06:54 PM

Ah, the reality of the situation.

For once the French have it right... Don't call them the Islamic anything or the anything State; call them Daesh, which is Arabic, and which they hate.

Then we can get back to talking about the issue instead of each other.


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