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BS: Caliphate

beardedbruce 24 Jul 14 - 02:58 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:58 PM

Jimmy is just fine with DEAD PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS, so long as he gets to try to blame Israel for them.

When SOMEONE ELSE Kills Palestinian civilians, or other Arab Muslims, he is so quiet. I guess he does not want to upset his friends in Hamas and ISIS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:55 PM

Jimmy boy,

SHOW ME ONE CASE WHERE HAMAS HAS ADMITTED THAT THEIR OWN ROCKETS HAVE KILLED PALESTINIANS. THERE IS DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE that they HAVE misfired, and hit populated areas of Gaza, yet NEVER has Hamas admitted it., Nor have YOU.


You seem to think their coverup is just fine- another example that proves YOU ARE AN ANTI-SEMITE according to the EU definition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:46 PM

"The Israeli military said it was reviewing the incident,"
And about to find themselves not guilty as they have after every other massacre they have taken part in.
Who knows they may make the feller who did the killing prime minister, like they did the one responsible for the Sabra/Shatila massacre - watch your back Netanyahu - there's somebody after your job.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 01:43 PM

And MORE from Musket and Jimmy's friends in Iraq…I wonder if they are getting paid, or just support ISIS for the fun of it.


Geneva (AFP) - Jihadists in Iraq have ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 must undergo female genital mutilation, which could affect up to four million women and girls in the war-ravaged country, a UN official said Thursday.

The UN's second most senior official in Iraq, Jacqueline Badcock, said, "It is a fatwa (or religious edict) from ISIS, we learnt about it this morning. We have no precise numbers."

The Islamic State, formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), took over large swathes of the country last month and has begun imposing its extreme Salafist interpretation of Islam.

Badcock said that if you took UN population figures as a guide, around "four million girls and women could be affected".

Female genital mutilation is unusual in Iraq and is only practised in "certain isolated pockets of the country", she added.

She said only 20 families from the ancient Christian minority now remain in Mosul, the northern Iraq city which ISIS has taken as the capital of its Islamic state. Most have reportedly fled north into Kurdish-controlled territory.

Badcock said some Christians have converted to Islam, while others have opted to stay and pay the jiyza, the tax on non-Muslim's ISIS has imposed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 01:16 PM

Palestinian HAMAS officials claim that it was Israeli tank shells-


— Israeli tank shells hit a compound housing a U.N. school in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens who were seeking shelter from fierce clashes on the streets outside, Palestinian officials said, as Israel pressed forward with its 17-day war against the territory's Hamas rulers.

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Gaza fighting rages amid cease-fire efforts Associated Press

Pools of blood stained the school courtyard in the northern town of Beit Hanoun, amid scattered books and belongings. There was a large scorch mark in the courtyard marking the place where one of the tank shells hit. Dozens of people, including children were wheeled into a nearby hospital as sirens wailed."

This sounds a LOT like an Hamas rocket, and NOTHING like a tank shell of any kind.



"The Israeli military said it was reviewing the incident, saying that rockets launched by Hamas had landed in the Beit Hanoun area during fighting with its forces, and that those rockets may be responsible for the deaths."

Amazing how a tank shell that puts holes in concrete just leaves a black mark in an undamaged courtyard, like those Hamas rocket ANTI_PERSONNEL Warheads do.


But of course we HAVE to believe Hamas, and CANNOT believe Israel NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE.


What a bunch of shit-for-brains.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 01:07 PM

U.N. School casualties announced as 15 dead, dozens injured
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 12:45 PM

Israeli militants under the command of Netanyahu have bombed a UN run school, used as a shelter. It is the fourth time, according to The BBC that UN facilities have been bombed.

725 Palestinians have now been killed, and 30 Israelis.

If braidedbeardedbruce wants to waffle on about killing Jews, not a single Jew nor Arab has been killed.

Just 755 humans.

You see, it doesn't matter which imaginary friend you have when you are alive, there isn't one for when you are dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 11:53 AM

Propaganda from Juicy Brucie's friends - note that even here the disparity in arms is self-evident.

http://beyondthecusp.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/hamas-rockets-and-israeli-munitions/


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 10:55 AM

to repeat:

Hamas rockets ARE ANTI_PERSONNEL WARHEADS.

Hamas rockets fall in Gaza and kill Palestinians with their ANTI-PERSONNEL WARHEADS.


Jim Carroll is a liar and has the blood of Palestinian civilians on his hands for his support, by repeatedly lying about facts in order to excuse Hamas war crimes.


"A Palestinian Arab girl was killed and three others wounded in Gaza after a rocket fired at Israel by terrorists in the Hamas-enclave fell short, landing in Gaza itself.

The rocket was the third of four fired within an hour from Gaza. The Iron Dome anti-missile defense system shot down the first two, which were launched within minutes of each other, and the fourth hit a town in the Sedot Negev Regional Council, causing no damage.

Hamas medical sources say the fatality is a three-year-old girl.

Over 20 rockets have been fired at Israel since Operation Brother's Keeper began two weeks ago to rescue the three Israeli teens kidnapped by Hamas terrorists, with the IDF noting that over 200 rockets have been fired from Gaza since the start of the year.

Another failed missile was recorded last Friday. After Iron Dome shot down a rocket earlier in the day, another terrorist rocket was fired but fell short of its mark, landing in Gaza. No damage was reported in the incident.

In addition to the four rockets on Tuesday, Arab media sources reported mortar fire being launched from Gaza towards the Erez Border Crossing. IDF sources said the incident is being investigated; no damage or injuries were reported."


Note that Hamas NEVER admits that ANY of their rockets hit Gaza, even when observed to do so. NOT ONE PALESTINIAN CASUALTY ADMITTED- They blame them all on Israel even when there had been NO Israeli attack at that time or place.

And Jim Carroll repeat these lies, in support of a declared terrorist organization that has stated it's goal is to KILL JEWS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 10:28 AM

Jimmy boy,

"You are lying Brucie - always a sign that you are in a corner
Feel free to produce of ANYBODY OTHER THAN YOUR OWN CROWD BOMBING CIVILIANS - LET ALONE USING ANTI-PERSONNEL FRAGMENT SHELLS
"

YOU are the lie- as usual. The ROCKETS that Hamas has admitted firing at Israeli civilians, have been seen being launched from hospital yards, schools, and apartment blocks, and found in UN schools ARE ALL ANTI-PERSONNEL FRAGMENTATION WARHEADS.

Your failure to understand that is proof that you have no interest in the truth or in reducing civilian casualties- YOU have NEVER said that Hamas should stop firing them.

YOU, Jim Carroll, have shown yourself to be an Anti-Semite by the EU definition.





Point proven, you have been humiliated.

Not that that will stop your bigotry and encouragement of civilian casualties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 08:18 AM

"So you have defined yourself as other than normal- YOU have supported Hamas using those bombs, as long as they ( sort of) aim them at ISRAELI civilians."
You are lying Brucie - always a sign that you are in a corner
Feel free to produce of ANYBODY OTHER THAN YOUR OWN CROWD BOMBING CIVILIANS - LET ALONE USING ANTI-PERSONNEL FRAGMENT SHELLS
We can't stop you lying anymore than we can stop you calling those who oppose Israeli terrorism, "Antisemites - nor would we want to, as far as I'm concerned.
Your doing so is a clear indication of the type of fascist-supporting ratbags you really are
Fell free to either keep up the good work or humiliate us by producing evidence of your lying claims - won't hold my breath
Have a good day - d'you hear - plenty of entertainment on the television at present now the death toll has topped 700
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 08:06 AM

Jimmy boy,

"not to normal people who consider fragment bombs used on non- combatants obscenity. "


So you have defined yourself as other than normal- YOU have supported Hamas using those bombs, as long as they ( sort of) aim them at ISRAELI civilians.


So far, Hamas has killed Palestinian civilians and Bedouins living in Israel with those rockets,


BUT YOU MAKE NO COMMENT AT ALL SINCE YOU CAN'T BLAME THOSE DEATHS ON ISRAEL.


That is part of the DEFINITION of Anti-Semitism as defined by the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 08:00 AM

"Islamists may be planning imminent attack in Norway: police
Reuters
2 hours ago

OSLO (Reuters) - Militant Islamists with ties to Syria may be planning an attack in Norway, the head of the Norwegian police intelligence service said on Thursday.

"We also have information to suggest that any act of terrorism against Norway may take place shortly, probably within a few days," said Benedicte Bjoernland, the director of the Police Security Service, declining to reveal the source of information. "The people (named in the threat) participated in the fighting in Syria."

NATO-member Norway has been working to clamp down on militant activity, and in May it arrested three people suspected of aiding The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, an al Qaeda offshoot fighting in Syria.

Also in May, the spy chief of neighboring Sweden said the country's biggest security threat came from around 200 Islamists who could become involved in militant attacks, including young people radicalized after fighting in Syria. A botched suicide bomb attack four years ago in Stockholm and the conviction in 2012 of three Swedes for plotting to kill people at a Danish newspaper after it published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in 2005 have shown the Nordic countries are not immune to attacks.'


http://news.yahoo.com/islamist-militant-group-may-planning-attack-norway-police-085935292.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 07:16 AM

Discussing Israelis slaughtering Muslim civilians an "obsession"?
Maybe to sick obsessive who openly support such things - not to normal people who consider fragment bombs used on non- combatants obscenity.
Thread drift rides again, as it always does when our resident hate-merchant finds himself in a hole
"It is emigration."
WHAT!!!!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 07:10 AM

Indeed.
There are other threads for other events, but this thread has to be hijacked to attack Israel too.
Such obsession suggests irrational phobia.

"genocide" (Independent)
Who cares?
Burning truly ancient churches.
Who cares?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 07:02 AM

With other events in the news, ISIS has taken a back burner. That does not mean there is a pause in its actions.

ISIS in the news 


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 04:08 AM

That is not expansion.
It is emigration.
Israel has shrunk back to a tiny sliver of land surrounded by vast Arab nations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:35 AM

"That is the TOTAL count- Not all are civilians in Gaza."
The vast majority are civilians and a large percentage of them are children
It really doesn't matter anyway, the Israelis are not discriminating who they kill, maim and drive from their homes - theirs is a scorched earth policy aimed at the general population - nothing whatever to do with defence an never has been.

"What Israeli expansion?"
Haaretz
By Akiva Eldar | Mar. 30, 2012 | 3:37 AM |   48
"Israel Defense Ministry plan earmarks 10 percent of West Bank for settlement expansion
Newly released maps indicate Civil Administration secretly setting aside additional land for Jewish settlements, presumably with the intention of expanding them.
For years Israel's Civil Administration has been covertly locating and mapping available land in the West Bank and naming the parcels after existing Jewish settlements, presumably with an eye toward expanding these communities.
The Civil Administration, part of the Defense Ministry, released its maps only in response to a request from anti-settlement activist Dror Etkes under the Freedom of Information Law.
In some places the boundaries of the parcels outlined in the maps coincide with the route of the West Bank separation barrier.
The state has argued before the Supreme Court and the International Court of Justice in The Hague that the route of the separation barrier was based on Israel's security needs. But Civil Administration's maps and figures, disclosed here for the first time, suggest the barrier route was planned in accordance with the available land in the West Bank, intended to increase the area and population of the settlements.
A total of 569 parcels of land were marked out, encompassing around 620,000 dunams ‏(around 155,000 acres‏) − about 10 percent of the total area of the West Bank. Since the late 1990s, 23 of the unauthorized outposts were built on land included in the map. The Civil Administration is endeavoring to legalize some of these outposts, including Shvut Rahel, Rehelim and Hayovel.
Etkes believes this indicates the settlers who built the outposts had access to the administration's research on available land − more proof of the government's deep involvement in the systematic violation of the law in order to expand settlements, he says.
The maps name numerous communities that do not exist. These include Shlomzion, on land belonging to the Palestinian town of Aqraba, east of Nablus; Lev Hashomron, on the land of Kafr Haja, between Nablus and Qalqilyah; Mevo Adumim, on the lands of al-Azariya and Abu Dis; and Mitzpeh Zanoah and Mitzpeh Lahav, in south Mount Hebron.
The names of several sites suggest they are earmarked for the expansion of existing settlements, although some of the parcels are several kilometers distant from their namesakes. These include Immanuel Mizrah, Elkana Bet, Beit Aryeh Gimmel and Tekoa Sheet'hei Mir'ey, among others.
The maps also mark 81 sites on 114,000 dunams in areas A and B, which are under Palestinian civil control, indicating the Civil Administration began identifying available land before the Oslo Accords. But these parcels have not been updated in several years because Israel cannot build settlements on them.
All the other areas − 506,000 dunams in Area C, have been updated in the past decade. This implies the administration earmarked the sites as reserves for future use, says Etkes.
More than 90 percent of this land is east of the separation barrier, beyond the main settlement blocs.
"This means the administration currently updates the 'land bank,' flouting the peace process, which is based on the two-state principle," Etkes said.
Most of the marked areas − 485,000 dunams in area C − are classified as state lands. About 7,600 dunams are classified as "Jewish land" from before 1948, and 12,800 dunams are unclassified. way. Presumably the administration sees them as state lands, says Etkes.
Under international pressure Israel has drastically reduced new claims of land for the state. In a letter to Nir Shalev of Bimkom − Planners for Planning Rights, the Civil Administration said that in 2003-09 a total of 5,000 dunams were declared state lands, as opposed to hundreds of thousands of dunams in previous decades.
Some 375,000 dunams in Area C are not included in the jurisdiction of the settlements, which take up some 9.5 percent of the West Bank.
A 2007 Peace Now report indicated that only nine percent of the land in the settlements' jurisdiction were in use. The administration's map reveals the existence of another land reserve. Although only a small part has been officially allocated to the settlements, it is being constantly updated by the administration.
The Civil Administration said in a response that the maps are a data bank that is updated from time to time and does not indicate plans to expand settlements, which is a complex procedure requiring discussions and permits."

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:50 AM

So cutting and pasting is expressing your view? Perhaps if braidedbeardedbruce reads up on the word debate, he might learn what expressing a view is. Based on applying reason to what you read hear or see.

No wonder you have no clue what the Israeli militants are getting up to. Or he does and it excites him. Don't know which is worse, noisy ignorance or noisy repugnance.

Hi Michael! As you seem to read my posts in detail, perhaps you can help me and ask your newsagent to pass this rucksack on to his nephew?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 08:24 PM

What dingleberries?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 05:42 PM

What Israeli expansion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 05:02 PM

Bearded in reference to dingleberries?

Anything to justify killing of Palestinians and Israeli expansion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 03:51 PM

"those who have their best interests advocated for them due to their lack of mental capacity"

Ah, yes; the "mental capacity" of the perpetrator of that post is well exemplified by its opening ---

"I don't quote any fucking sources, prick."

What was it that old song I recall from years back used to say? -- something like ♫♫"Isn't he a sweetie! Isn't he a lamb!"♫♫

LoL in ♠♠♠♠❢❢❢❢ Dontcha just luv him❣❣❣

X❤♥~MtheGM~♥❤X


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 03:25 PM

No, Jimmy boy

That is the TOTAL count- Not all are civilians in Gaza.

The UN report is ONLY on civilians, not armed militia and other forces.


So a factor of 10 is just a sliding scale-

THAN THE ISRAELI CIVILIAN DEATHS BY HAMAS are just as significant as the Gazan ones- EVEN ONE IS YOO MANY.

SO WHAT IS HAMAS doing to REDUCE Israeli civilian deaths? Launhing more rockets at those civilians?


I am waiting on ANY suggestion of what else Israel could do to reduce Palestinian civilian casualties when attacking Hamas military installation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 03:17 PM

"The violence in Iraq has killed more than 5,500 civilians over the first six months of the year"
Yup - agree with you totally one is as bad as the other- maybe, there's a chance for Israel to draw even by facilitating another Sabra/Shatila - they're certainly working all out in Gaza at present - 647 and counting
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 01:53 PM

"
I don't quote any fucking sources, prick.
"


So your opinions are NOT based on any factual basis, and should rightly be ignored as the opinion of an ignorant asshole.



YOU said it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 01:50 PM

I don't quote any fucking sources, prick.

I am capable of debate, hence I am typing in a debate tread.

I am sure there are websites for cutting and pasting things you don't understand and passing them off as your considered views, but Mudcat doesn't offer that.

Some of us can form our own views and challenge others. That is why Keith can confidently challenge people to defy his views, because he cuts and pastes them from his far right favourite sources. Just like you. You can't educate pork and it isn't worth arguing with those who cannot defend their posts because first, they have to understand them, having posted the words of others.

Beleive it or not, having your views articulated for you by others I leave to God botherers and those who have their best interests advocated for them due to their lack of mental capacity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 01:41 PM

"The violence in Iraq has killed more than 5,500 civilians over the first six months of the year, according to a report by the United Nations that documents the massive humanitarian toll of the Sunni militant offensive."
Difference in numbers only - sliding scale again
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 01:16 PM

And for those out there thinking Israel is so bad… And this is only through June 30.


"The violence in Iraq has killed more than 5,500 civilians over the first six months of the year, according to a report by the United Nations that documents the massive humanitarian toll of the Sunni militant offensive.

The Islamic State (Isis) and other Sunni insurgents seized control of the city of Falluja, as well as part of nearby Ramadi in Anbar province in early January. The militants then launched an offensive in June that has brought a huge swath of northern and western Iraq under their control.

In its report, the UN mission to Iraq says at least 5,576 civilians were killed and another 11,665 wounded from 1 January until the end of June. Another 1.2 million have been driven from their homes by the violence, it adds.

The pace of civilian deaths over the first six months marked a sharp increase over the previous year. In all of 2013, the UN reported just over 7,800 civilians killed, which was the highest annual death toll in years.

The fighting "has inflicted untold hardship and suffering on the civilian population with large-scale killings, injuries, and destruction and damage of livelihoods and property", the UN report says."


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 09:17 AM

No need to scream it - it's coming through loud and clear enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 09:15 AM

You should know the drill by now Boo & BB....when you can't challenge the facts

Scream Anti-Semite!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 09:10 AM

Musket, here is the same story in the Independent today.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-sets-fire-to-1800yearold-church-as-christians-families-flee-violence-9622541.html

And last Sunday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/conversion-of-iraq-as-isis-drives-christians-out-of-their-homes-the-groups-genocidal-intentions-take-on-horrible-clarity-9617651.html?origin=internalSearch


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 08:33 AM

You should know the drill by now Bruce....when you can't challenge the facts attack the source....or the messenger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 08:06 AM

Musket,


YOU state:
"
If I want to read a newspaper, I tend to take on board the political position of the editor first. Just cutting and pasting tells us nothing of what they want people to believe.

Not everybody is as gullible or as single issue as you. There are enough bad things going on without over dramatisation by someone with an agenda."


My post is from:
http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/07/isis-torches-1800-year-old-mosul-church-after-expelling-christians/374834/


I expect that you will now provide the SOURCE for any factual ( if any) statements you make here, so that the rest of us can judge how gullible and over dramatized YOU are being.

Or are you demanding a special set of rules that YOU do not have to follow?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 07:59 AM

Daily Beast? Is that you or a newspaper?

If I want to read a newspaper, I tend to take on board the political position of the editor first. Just cutting and pasting tells us nothing of what they want people to believe.

Not everybody is as gullible or as single issue as you. There are enough bad things going on without over dramatisation by someone with an agenda.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 07:48 AM

ISIS, which recently rebranded as the Islamic State, has solidified its control over Iraq's second-largest city by imposing Sharia law and expelling Christians who won't convert to Islam. The end of last month marked the first time a mass wasn't held in the city in more than 1600 years.

Then, matters got worse. From the Daily Beast:

Friday at noon was the deadline for Christian families to meet ISIS's demands: Convert to Islam, pay an anachronistic Islamic tax for non-Muslims known as jizya, leave Mosul, or be killed. But the day before the final exodus, Christians were informed jizya was no longer an option. The order came to convert, leave, or die.
On the way out of town last week, the final 1500 families of Mosul's Christian population were reportedly robbed at ISIS checkpoints. And following Friday's deadline, ISIS reportedly set fire to a 1800-year-old church.

Last month, ISIS shocked much of the world by swiftly capturing Mosul in an offensive that allowed the group to take control of major parts of northern and western Iraq. As Reuters reported, the group has managed to shore up its control over communities with a combination of force and fear. After meeting armed resistance in the town of al-Alam for nearly two weeks, here's what the group did:

They kidnapped 30 local families and rang up the town's most influential citizens with a simple message about the hostages: "You know their destiny if you don't let us take over the town."
Weeks later, according to the report, only a few gunman patrol the town at night "so comfortable is the Islamic State in its control through fear." Since then, with Baghdad as the prize in mind, the group has grown in size from 3,000 by earlier estimates to 20,000 as last month's offensive bolstered their standing."


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 04:06 AM

"*sigh* at least they haven't shot down a civilian plane full of AIDS researchers... yet..."
Haven't read the news this morning, but unless there are new developments, the responsibility for that one was largely democratic, post-communist Russia - according to Obama, that is.
They did facilitate the massacre of 3,500 unarmed refugees - don't suppose that counts as an atrocity - doesn't seem to to some people
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 03:27 AM

I notice Obama has told Netanyahu to back off and stop indiscriminately killing innocent people. He said the right to defend has a fine line and Israel jumped over it without a pause.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 01:08 AM

*sigh* at least they haven't shot down a civilian plane full of AIDS researchers... yet...


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 12:38 PM

One word, PeeDee: Blowback.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: pdq
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 09:43 AM

"The Islamic State, or ISIS, has responded to critics who have questioned why its leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is not actively supporting Hamas in fighting Israel.

After capturing vast swathes of Iraq and Syria, ISIS declared the regions under its control as a "Caliphate", or Islamic state, and appointed Baghdadi as "leader of the Muslims". While many jihadists celebrated the announcement, others - including Al Qaeda, which ISIS broke off from last year - have criticized the move for a variety of reasons.

Since the recent escalation between Israel and Islamist terrorists in Gaza, some of those critics have questioned why a self-declared "Caliphate" is not rushing to the aid of Muslims in the Hamas-controlled territory.

In a statement a spokesperson for the group, Nidal Nuseiri reaffirmed that conquering "Bayt el-Maqdis" (Jerusalem) and destroying the State of Israel is central to the group's "jihad", or holy war.

However, he pointed out that ISIS has been taking a systematic approach in its campaign, and outlined six specific stages it said needed to be fulfilled before taking on Israel.

Some of those "stages" - building a firm base for an Islamic state in Iraq, and using it as a springboard to wage war in Syria and Lebanon - have already been achieved. But he said a number of other criteria still needed to be fulfilled before challenging Israel directly.

Among them, Nuseiri said that the US - seen as Israel's greatest ally - needed to be weakened politically and economically via attacks on the American mainland, as well as US interests in Muslim countries. Additionally, the existing "Islamic State" needed to expand its borders to cover all of "Greater Syria" (which would include Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and possibly Gaza); such a state, he said, would then be in a position for a direct confrontation with Israel."


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 09:23 AM

Rather than picking a side, this person seems to be looking for a route to a potential solution to benefit all- (well, maybe not ISIS). In addition, Turkey seems to have links to the EU, USA and Russia, and has historic connections to many Arab countries.


GAZA from one Turkish perspective 


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 08:29 AM

The Gaza ISIS connection,nite that it is an opinion piece not news:

Another longer term perspective-,Opinion  


From an Israeli news group (cant vouch for its accuracy).

ISIS on Gaza 


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 08:12 AM

Egypt on its cease fire attempts 


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 07:36 AM

"I don't know how many times I have to say that Mr Carroll"
Total annihilation it must be then - will you tell the apalestinians or shall I?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 07:26 AM

"Anyone see any reports as to why Hamas dix not abide by what was reported as a temporary cease fire-to allow the entry of humaritian supplies, and continued to launch rockets? That puzzles me?"

They want the Israeli ground invasion. It will give them the opportunity to kill or capture Israeli soldiers and thus be able to make some claim of success something which they haven't been able to do up to now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 07:09 AM

Hamas Interior Ministry To Social Media Activists: Always Call The Dead 'Innocent Civilians'; Don't Post Photos Of Rockets Being Fired From Civilian Population Centers

"Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don't forget to always add 'innocent civilian' or 'innocent citizen' in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza."

"Avoid publishing pictures of rockets fired into Israel from [Gaza] city centers."

Hamas interior ministry social media guidelines


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 07:06 AM

No, because of an Israeli finger on a US supplied button.

You really are sick, aren't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 07:04 AM

Gaza Beach Shelling Eyewitnesses
Let's review eyewitness accounts of yesterday's sheeling of the beach when four Arab youngsters were killed:

NYTimes photographer:

    I had returned to my small seaside hotel around 4 p.m. to file photos to New York when I heard a loud explosion. My driver and I rushed to the window to see what had happened. A small shack atop a sea wall at the fishing port had been struck by an Israeli bomb or missile and was burning. ...
    ...A small metal shack with no electricity or running water on a jetty in the blazing seaside sun does not seem like the kind of place frequented by Hamas militants, the Israel Defense Forces' intended targets.

The IDF seems to have targeted a specific structure, not an open area or the boys.

From a Guardian correspondent:

    Beaumont, who has been in Gaza for the last nine days, said that during the time he has been at the hotel, that area of the harbor has been hit by the IDF "at least three times." Following the explosion, "on the retaining wall there were puffs of smoke and we saw four people running along it.


The area, having been attacked "at least three times" previously, would seem to indicate a terrorist target. You don't waste ordnance on children.

Was Hamas launching rockets from there?

Was it a naval base?

From Washington Post journalist:

    It is not unusual for militants to launch rockets from sites near my hotel. Israeli missiles and shells have also landed pretty close to al-Deira, an old red stucco inn with a large terrace overlooking the Mediterranean Sea. Just a few hundred yards down the beach is the fishing harbor.


UPDATE of an acknowledgement from The Guardian:

>
> A witness who identified himself only as Abu Ahmed said the boys had been scavenging for scrap metal when the first shell hit a nearby shipping container used in the past by Hamas security forces. He said the boys fled but a second projectile "hit all of them".


There you have it --- one, two, three.

And because of Hamas terror, four young kids lose their lives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 06:59 AM

Anyone see any reports as to why Hamas dix not abide by what was reported as a temporary cease fire-to allow the entry of humaritian supplies, and continued to launch rockets? That puzzles me?

I ask, as that was one reported reason for the current ground operation.


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