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BS: Caliphate

Jim Carroll 26 Jul 14 - 10:53 AM
Keith A of Hertford 26 Jul 14 - 10:15 AM
bobad 26 Jul 14 - 10:01 AM
Musket 26 Jul 14 - 09:12 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Jul 14 - 08:29 AM
Keith A of Hertford 26 Jul 14 - 08:20 AM
bobad 26 Jul 14 - 07:43 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Jul 14 - 07:29 AM
Musket 26 Jul 14 - 07:00 AM
MGM·Lion 26 Jul 14 - 06:51 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Jul 14 - 06:28 AM
Keith A of Hertford 26 Jul 14 - 05:55 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Jul 14 - 05:36 AM
Keith A of Hertford 26 Jul 14 - 04:51 AM
Musket 26 Jul 14 - 04:46 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Jul 14 - 03:51 AM
beardedbruce 25 Jul 14 - 03:56 PM
Jim Carroll 25 Jul 14 - 03:46 PM
Keith A of Hertford 25 Jul 14 - 12:07 PM
Keith A of Hertford 25 Jul 14 - 12:01 PM
beardedbruce 25 Jul 14 - 11:56 AM
Jim Carroll 25 Jul 14 - 08:48 AM
Greg F. 25 Jul 14 - 08:39 AM
beardedbruce 25 Jul 14 - 08:17 AM
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Jim Carroll 25 Jul 14 - 06:35 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 10:53 AM

"I have tried to educate you, but your little mind is closed as well as ignorant."
Arrogant bullshit to cover the fact that you have no real defence for the genocide that is taking place other than to support it, which is exactly what you are doing
You have the death toll and the deliberate massacre of an entire family - justfy that one
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 10:15 AM

Well considering you deny that The UN do not see Israeli aggression as legitimate, you seem to fit the description "outrageous" so far as I can see.

Musket dear, international law allows a nation to intervene over a border in self defence.
I know that you do not believe that, and it is amusing how you posture and declaim your lack of knowledge on this.

I have tried to educate you, but your little mind is closed as well as ignorant.

Keep stating what most people will know to be completely wrong, and we can all continue to laugh at the posturing fool.

Linking your lies about The UN to saying that bombing children, hospitals, schools etc is legitimate just compounds your sickness

I have not lied, I have stated facts.
International law says that, with provisos, legitimate targets may be engaged even if civilian damage and casualties are likely or inevitable.
The crime is in siting those targets near civilian homes and facilities.

Again your ignorance and inability to understand is profound, but very funny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 10:01 AM

It would appear that Musket has a "thing" for the Caliphate just as he has a "thing" for Hamas. Why am I not surprised?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 09:12 AM

Well considering you deny that The UN do not see Israeli aggression as legitimate, you seem to fit the description "outrageous" so far as I can see.

Linking your lies about The UN to saying that bombing children, hospitals, schools etc is legitimate just compounds your sickness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 08:29 AM

And Sir Bob an Nazi supporter no doubt?
The term ethnic cleansing is now being applied to Israel's Bedouin policy widely, within and without Israel - Google it.
It refers to the rubbish dump plan as well as the use of chemical sprays and high powered hoses to drive Bedouins from their homes to make room for settlers.
It's just been announced that the death toll now totals 980 Palestinians and 38 Israelis, and likely to rise.
An Israeli tank attack on an occupied home left 16 dead in one family - Hamas under the bed, no doubt!
Whole townships have been leveled and the survivors are using the cease fire to search for possible survivors and bodies.
Has any of you defenders of the faith come up with a figure on your sliding scales before this can be referred to as genocide rather than simple mass murder.
Murderous thugs - no less!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 08:20 AM

OK Jim.
You could find no-one else claiming genocide then.

Musket,
people post outrageous views

I have never posted one, and you will never quote one because it is just more made up Musket balls.

Will you prove me wrong this time?
No.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: bobad
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 07:43 AM

Globalresearch.ca (also under the domain name globalresearch.org) may best be described as the moonbat equivalent to WorldNetDaily. It is the website of the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) founded by Michel Chossudovsky.

Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, Globalresearch.ca mostly consists of polemics many of which accept (and use) conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and propaganda. The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order.[1] Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11,[2] vaccines,[3] genetic modification,[4] Zionism,[5][6] HAARP,[7] global warming,[8][9] and David Kelly.[10] Analyses of these issues tend follow the lines of the site's political biases.

Apparently, contributors to Globalresearch.ca consider information sourced from anyone who seems aligned to their ideology as reliable; during the 2011 Libyan civil war the site was an apologist for Muammar al-Gaddafi,[11] reproducing his propaganda and painting him as a paragon of a modern leader. In the 2014 Ukrainian crisis the site is taking the standard "anti-globalisation" stance against the Western side and falling into the ranks of imperial Russian propaganda instead.

It's no surprise then that the site has long become a magnet for radicals, fringe figures and whacko elements from the left in general. And ironically, it has more in common with its writers' enemies and wingnut rivals than they would ever admit.

Rational Wiki


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 07:29 AM

Stop hiding behind bits of paper Mike
The logic of your argument is that if Israel set up gas chambers and herded the Palestinian people into them it would be "Anti-Semitic" to compare them to the Nazis - give us a break!
Let Israel be judged by its actions, not by committee rules.
I have little doubt that anybody dreamed that Israel would ever sink to the depths they now have - I certainly didn't.
Why not address the criticisms Einstein, Chomski, and the Mossad people made rather than creating no-go areas in Israel's defence - or do you, as Booboo, consider them all Antisemitic?
A little Canutish to try and hold back the inevitable comparison.
"ethnic cleansing of itinerants?"
Can't remember exactly who said it, but it came up in relation to the Prawer plan and its two attempts to move Beduoins onto a toxic rubbish site
A quick shuufti pulls up these
Jim Caroll
GLOBAL RESEARCH

SIR BOB RUSSELL



Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 07:00 AM

Who are you quoting when you say "ethnic cleansing of itinerants?"

Its just that it reads as if I said that?

If I did, I am more astute than I thought. That said, all my complaining over Keith's attitude is valid and based entirely on his posts. I wish to debate, hence I am on these threads in the first place. It isn't possible when people post outrageous views then attack anybody who questions them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 06:51 AM

In 2005, the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (now Fundamental Rights Agency), published a working definition of antisemitism,
.,,.,.

The above, which I have cited before, comes from Wikipedia, where this definition can be found. It is generally taken to be a reasonable statement of the case as to what, by agreement, constitutes antisemitism; and I think it is incontrovertible that there are several repetitive posters on this forum, and on this thread, who demonstrably fall foul of it. If they then feel aggrieved at being denounced as 'antisemitic' by Bruce, or by Bobad, (or by me for that matter; tho I have rather given up on contributing to threads like this, becoz, as I have mentioned before, heads against brick walls or pulling out of beard can be more constructive & satisfying), then they will do better to take the matter up with the Fundamental Rights Agency named above, than to keep arguing that we are making false accusations against them as some sort of unworthy defensive measure.

I say again, in the Words of Shaw's character: THEY ARE ANTISEMITIC [WITHIN DEFINITION CITED ABOVE]; THEY THINK THEY AREN'T, BUT THEY ARE.

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 06:28 AM

"There is no genocide in Gaza."
How many deaths of one particular group of people does it have to be to count as gencocide?
Noam Chomski - that well known "Anti-Semite" has used the term, as have numerous other Jews, in reference to Israeli policy
Chomski also refers to Israeli policy as ethnic cleansing
Jim Carroll

Statement from someone other than "me and my mates"

Israel's Crimes against Palestinians: War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, Genocide
by Francis A. Boyle

(The author served as Legal Adviser to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993. The viewpoints expressed here are his own.)

The International Laws of Belligerent Occupation
Belligerent occupation is governed by The Hague Regulations of 1907, as well as by the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and the customary laws of belligerent occupation. Security Council Resolution 1322 (2000), paragraph 3 continued: "Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and its responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in a Time of War of 12 August 1949;..." Again, the Security Council vote was 14 to 0, becoming obligatory international law.
The Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the West Bank, to the Gaza Strip, and to the entire City of Jerusalem, in order to protect the Palestinians living there. The Palestinian People living in this Palestinian Land are "protected persons" within the meaning of the Fourth Geneva Convention. All of their rights are sacred under international law.
There are 149 substantive articles of the Fourth Geneva Convention that protect the rights of every one of these Palestinians living in occupied Palestine. The Israeli Government is currently violating, and has since 1967 been violating, almost each and every one of these sacred rights of the Palestinian People recognized by the Fourth Geneva Convention. Indeed, violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention are war crimes.
So this is not a symmetrical situation. As matters of fact and of law, the gross and repeated violations of Palestinian rights by the Israeli army and Israeli settlers living illegally in occupied Palestine constitute war crimes. Conversely, the Palestinian People are defending Themselves and their Land and their Homes against Israeli war crimes and Israeli war criminals, both military and civilian.

The U.N. Human Rights Commission
Indeed, it is far more serious than that. On 19 October 2000 a Special Session of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights adopted a Resolution set forth in U.N. Document E/CN.4/S-5/L.2/Rev. 1, "Condemning the provocative visit to Al-Haram Al-Sharif on 28 September 2000 by Ariel Sharon, the Likud party leader, which triggered the tragic events that followed in occupied East Jerusalem and the other occupied Palestinian territories, resulting in a high number of deaths and injuries among Palestinian civilians." The U.N. Human Rights Commission then said it was "[g]ravely concerned" about several different types of atrocities inflicted by Israel upon the Palestinian People, which it denominated "war crimes, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and crimes against humanity."
In operative paragraph 1 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission then: "Strongly condemns the disproportionate and indiscriminate use of force in violation of international humanitarian law by the Israeli occupying Power against innocent and unarmed Palestinian civilians...including many children, in the occupied territories, which constitutes a war crime and a crime against humanity;..." And in paragraph 5 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission: "Also affirms that the deliberate and systematic killing of civilians and children by the Israeli occupying authorities constitutes a flagrant and grave violation of the right to life and also constitutes a crime against humanity;..." Article 68 of the United Nations Charter had expressly required the U.N.'s Economic and Social Council to "set up" this Commission "for the promotion of human rights."

Israel's War Crimes against Palestinians
We all have a general idea of what a war crime is, so I am not going to elaborate upon that term here. But there are different degrees of heinousness for war crimes. In particular are the more serious war crimes denominated "grave breaches" of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Since the start of the Al Aqsa Intifada, the world has seen those inflicted every day by Israel against the Palestinian People living in occupied Palestine: e.g., willful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and Israel's illegal paramilitary settlers. These Israeli "grave breaches" of the Fourth Geneva Convention mandate universal prosecution for their perpetrators, whether military or civilian, as well as prosecution for their commanders, whether military or civilian, including Israel's political leaders.

Israel's Crimes Against Humanity against Palestinians
But I want to focus for a moment on Israel's "crime against humanity" against the Palestinian People -- as determined by the U.N. Human Rights Commission itself, set up pursuant to the requirements of the United Nations Charter. What is a "crime against humanity"? This concept goes all the way back to the Nuremberg Charter of 1945 for the trial of the major Nazi war criminals. And in the Nuremberg Charter of 1945, drafted by the United States Government, there was created and inserted a new type of international crime specifically intended to deal with the Nazi persecution of the Jewish People.
The paradigmatic example of a "crime against humanity" is what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People. This is where the concept of crime against humanity came from. And this is what the U.N. Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian People: Crimes against humanity. Legally, just like what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.

The Precursor to Genocide
Moreover, a crime against humanity is the direct historical and legal precursor to the international crime of genocide as defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. The theory here was that what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People required a special international treaty that would codify and universalize the Nuremberg concept of "crime against humanity." And that treaty ultimately became the 1948 Genocide Convention.
In fairness, you will note that the U.N. Human Rights Commission did not go so far as to condemn Israel for committing genocide against the Palestinian People. But it has condemned Israel for committing crimes against humanity, which is the direct precursor to genocide. And I submit that if something is not done quite soon by the American People and the International Community to stop Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian People, it could very well degenerate into genocide, if Israel is not there already. And in this regard, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is what international lawyers call a genocidaire--one who has already committed genocide in the past.

Mr. Francis A. Boyle is a Professor in International Law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 05:55 AM

Some of our less talented fools here seem to put forward the idea a caliphate is a form of fundamental Islamic rule.

This caliphate unashamedly is Musket.

Far sadder when human beings are massacred - you have condoned and supported that and are still doing so.
It is sadder, and it is a lie that I have condoned such things.

You have supported the ethnic cleansing of itinerants


Another lie. Why do you always make up shit about me?

and are suprting the genocide tat is going on in Gaza at present.


There is no genocide in Gaza.
Find me anyone else but you and your mates who make such a moronic claim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 05:36 AM

"It is always sad when any ancient building, church or not, is wantonly destroyed."
Far sadder when human beings are massacred - you have condoned and supported that and are still doing so.
"genocide of the Christian community"
You have supported the ethnic cleansing of itinerants and are suprting the genocide tat is going on in Gaza at present.
Taking sides in which genocide to support and which to oppose - is that a 'Christian ethic?'
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 04:51 AM

Jim, I agree that a church is just a building.
It is always sad when any ancient building, church or not, is wantonly destroyed.
The destruction of the churches and mosques is also a part of the genocide of the Christian community and the brutal persecution of the Shia that is going on.
The death toll is horrifyingly worse than Gaza, as it is in Syria.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 04:46 AM

The issue here isn't about discussing Isis and their interpretation of a Caliphate, but the idea of a Caliphate itself.

Most of the cultural, scientific and community development of the past thousand years has been through caliphates. Whilst democracy and holding to account is the predominant form of government and is to be encouraged in my view, a caliphate in itself is not about FGM, oppression of groups of people or adherence to any form of superstition.

Some of our less talented fools here seem to put forward the idea a caliphate is a form of fundamental Islamic rule. Perhaps the idea of a caliphate offends their particular superstition?

The bastardisation of the caliphate form of government is awful, but some here need to distinguish between caliphates and Islamic formed oppression. It's a bit like Israel using superstition of most of its population as an excuse to oppress neighbours and claim land contrary to International law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 03:51 AM

"Irish Times covered it yesterday, and no retraction yet printed."
You have obviously scoured the press and failed to come up with anything new in the way of confirmation.
The story did not need to be "pasted in" - you had already put it in and I pointed out the doubt that surrounded it - that doubt was available to you also - you chose to present it as a fact, when it was an unconfirmed statement by a U.N. employee on the basis of dubious evidence.
Your hoping is not true is as sickening as were your crocodile shed for the victims of the Homs snipers, shed at the same time as your proposing that it was o.k. to sell Assad "only a few sniper rifles" (your exact words) and suggesting that he be sold more riot control equipment to keep his dissidents in order "even democracies have a right to keep public order" (also your exact words)   
" anti-Semitism"
Blaming the Jews again 'Brucie the Bombast' - Hitler aint dead, he just posts to Mudcat" as the song should go.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:56 PM

The GREATER CRIME is the thousands killed by ISIS that YOU seem so desperately to ignore, since you cannot blame them on Israel.

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE CALIPHATE-

Your bringing up Israel in all your posts is proof positive of your anti-Semitism as defined by the EU.


When you learn to judge EVERYONE EQUALLY, perhaps you will show some concern for those Muslims being killed by your friends, both in Gaza (HAMAS) and Iraq (ISIS)


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:46 PM

"Jim, your "6pm this morning" report was Russia Today I see"
No it wasn't - but it might well have come from there originally - so what
Which a bit of the information given do you actually challenge.
The fact of the age of the document was reported all day yesterday throughout the world, as were the denials of its having been distributed = denied by local people?
"Not much doubt about the destroyed mosques and churches though."
Nor about the half dozen destroyed hospitals, the health centres, the many thousands of homes- not to mention the 800 dead so far.
Which is the greater crime - homes, hospitals, human beings? - a few churches, obviously
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 12:07 PM

Jim, your "6pm this morning" report was Russia Today I see.

Irish Times covered it yesterday, and no retraction yet printed.
You chose not to paste in that story as you so often do.

Let us hope the story is still false.
Not much doubt about the destroyed mosques and churches though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 12:01 PM

The Times has the story just 3 hours ago.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article4156906.ece


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 11:56 AM

I would not know, GregF.

MOST of us here have agreed to use the EU definition, to avoid falsely accusing anyone.

Since YOU qualify under that definition, there is no problem that I would be using the term incorrectly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:48 AM

"24 July 2014 KSA 17:46 - GMT 14:46"
Report issued 6.pm this morning
"However, later reports cast doubt on the viral story. As it turns out, the Islamic State's leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi suggested the practice over a year ago, while Badcock herself admitted to having "zero contact" with the extremist group, alluding mainly to rumors heard from tribal leaders in the area."
As the organization tries to ascertain what went on, a number of journalists with contacts in Iraq has shared what they believe to be the reality behind the ghastly rumors.
I am aware of the practice of female genital mutilation, just as I am aware of other religions carrying out such operations, including the circumcision of 8 day old boys because their religion demands it - I deplore them all as barbaric.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:39 AM

But BB, in your area of the country, are people are fired from their jobs for using such terms as "anti-Semite" incorrectly?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:17 AM

ENTIRE TEXT of Al Arabiya News article- I do not see what Jimmy has claimed to "KNOW" about this report.



"ISIS orders female genital mutilation in Iraq


A family fleeing the violence in Mosul waits at a checkpoint on the outskirts of Arbil, in Iraq's Kurdistan region, June 11, 2014. (Reuters)
Text size A A A
Staff Writer, Al Arabiya News
Thursday, 24 July 2014
The al-Qaeda-Inspired Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has ordered all girls and women between the ages of 11 and 46 in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation, the United Nations said on Thursday.

"It is a fatwa (or religious edict) of ISIS, we learnt this this morning," said Jacqueline Badcock, the number two U.N. official in Iraq.

The "fatwa" would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil.

"This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," she said, according to Reuters.

"This is not the will of Iraqi people, or the women of Iraq in these vulnerable areas covered by the terrorists," she added.

No one was immediately available for comment from Islamic State which has led an offensive through northern and western Iraq.

Also read:

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ISIS unveils 'cabinet' lineup: report

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The world body has "zero contact" with ISIS, but works through tribal leaders in the affected areas, Badcock said. "I can't give you any more details until we have been on the ground to get information," she said of the directive.

FGM, the partial or total removal of external female genitalia, is a tradition practiced widely in many countries and often justified as a means of suppressing a woman's sexual desire to prevent "immoral" behavior.
Female Genital Mutilation in U.S. sparks warnings

Worldwide, more than 130 million girls and women have undergone FGM and more than 700 million women alive today were children when they were married.

The practice of FGM previously occurred only in isolated pockets of Iraq, mainly Kurdistan, according to Badcock.

Mosul city currently has some two million people, more than half of whom are women as there are many female-headed households in the area, she said. Several more million people live in surrounding areas, she added.

"There are reports of rapes of women, of forced marriages," Badcock added.


Last Update: Thursday, 24 July 2014 KSA 17:46 - GMT 14:46"


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:14 AM

So, Jimmy,

When the UN states something you approve of, you use it as evidence without ant fact-checking..

When they state something you don't approve of, they need to verify there facts before you will believe it.


I certainly hope you will allow the REST of us to apply the rules you have given yourself, and will henceforth accept OUR judgements as being as valid as your own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:10 AM

The report has not been updated
The 'evidence' from the UN had come from an official, Jacqueline Badcock, who based her statement on a year old statement which has been challenged on the basis factual errors contained in the document and the fact that it was headed using a long-abandoned title for the supposed declaration - in other word a fake.
The plan has been denied, both by ISIS, who are in the position not to have to bother their arses about denying anything, and by area officials.
All these facts are contained in reports published in the Guardian and other Press outlets , and it is typical of your 'honesty and integrity' that you have seen fit not to mention them.
Nobody doubts that extremists like ISIS are capable of shch atrocities, any more than we are in any doubt of your own extremsim in removing information in order to make political/ religious capital out of it.
What excuses do you have for the killing of two demonstrators and the wounding of scores more by troops in Israel - no doubt you have one?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 08:00 AM

We can hope that it is not true, but it is being reported in the world press.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/07/24/-ISIS-order-female-genital-mutilation-in-Iraq.html


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/ISIS-jihadists-order-genital-mutilation-of-all-women-in-Iraq/articleshow/38


http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/iraqonthebrink/did-isis-order-mass-female-genital-mutilation/article1-1244306.aspx


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:30 AM

Jim, the report has since been updated.
Yesterday it was just the Guardian quoting UN stating it was so.
If it is false, good.

Richard, perhaps you will reconsider your prejudice against me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:29 AM

Michael just said that we are only interested in the horrific events in Gaza because we are somehow antisemitic.

So.. The whole world looks on in disgust at the Israeli militant terrorists because of something to do with hating anybody of the same religion as most of the Israelis?

Truly awful.

Its a good job that once you reach his age, nobody listens to you and your views are no longer relevant to the real world. Does nurse know you have access to a keyboard?

I've just read The Guardian piece. Turns out Keith was being economical with the timeline. Still, the ISIS leaders would use such barbaric practice as part of their misguided misogyny, as religious people tend to, so vigilance is still a watchword here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 07:20 AM

GregF,

YOU stated that I had called someone a "Dumb Ni**er"


Your explainanition was that SOMEONE ELSE had used the term "Black, and Democrat", which YOU read as "Dumb Ni**er"


You even admitted that you had the wrong person- after the fact.


In this area of the country, people are fired from their jobs for using such terms as "niggardly" , even correctly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 06:35 AM

"Video here of the destruction of the ancient mosque which marks the tomb of the prophet Jonah."
Oh dear - pity it wasn't a hospital, do you mean?
"I hope the claim has proved false."
No you don't - you hope it is true - the Guardian report points out that the UN have dropped the idea because the report is a year old and there is no evidence to back it up - you forgot to mention that bit of 'unnecessary' information
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 06:35 AM

Funny, Keith, I'd have inferred that you approved of the destruction of mosques.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 05:36 AM

Video here of the destruction of the ancient mosque which marks the tomb of the prophet Jonah.
Nice people.
https://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/07/24/isis-destroys-prophet-jonahs-mosque-in-mosul/


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 05:07 AM

Nothing else in the world matters if the aggression in Gaza proves that neither Western nor Arab league influence actually works. It also may prove, as if we didn't know already, that there are no rules.

Back to caliphates..

I hope The UN report proves to be taking a local story and extrapolating it. The will of the leadership would encourage it though, as they use adherence to religion as a tool to ensure the people do their bidding.

Awful. Truly awful. I was one of many who fought hard, unsuccessfully, to remove the right of rabbis to perform circumcism on baby boys.   Other faiths and no faiths need qualified medical staff to undertake it, citing health (the original biblical reason funnily enough) as the legal reason. If you banned it, it would go underground. I have seen this when doctors doing it privately for Islamic reasons had to register with CQC and some didn't like the cost. Being struck off and in one case jailed was the satisfactory real cost.

Mutilating children for superstitious reasons is sickening and abhorrent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 05:06 AM

Why, Keith, antisemitism, of course.

And as that rather well conceived character, the barrister in Shaw's 'You Never Can Tell' would have put it --

They think it isn't, but it is.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 04:53 AM

This was in the Guardian yesterday.
"The United Nations said on Thursday that militant group Islamic State (Isis) had ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation."

I hope the claim has proved false.
The point I was making was that serious issues and concerns regarding the caliphate appear not to concern many contributors here, who would rather use the thread as just another platform to attack Israel.

There are hundreds of threads about Israel including a current one.
What drives those people to carry on as if nothing else in the world matters?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:03 AM

Keith quite rightly asks if anyone cares that ISIS wish their caliphate to include FGM.

Sadly, that's what happens when religion has too much influence in society and wicked people use it to justify misogyny and bigotry.

The thread I started on the positive steps the Anglican Church has taken in allowing women to apply for senior posts shows that interpretation of scriptures can be altered if you come under enough pressure from the rest of society.

Somehow though, I don't see the militant genesis of this caliphate being about the will and needs of those caught within it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 02:35 AM

"Who cares?"
Nobody cares what propaganda you and you cabal of brothers care to throw up, especially when you either openly suppor or deny out of hand what is now appearing nightly on our televisions - destruction of hospitals, slaughter of men, women and children, use of horrific weapons... the potential wiping-out of an entire Third World people by fascist thugs.
Bring your proof and we'll care Keith - you can open a newspaper or turn on the television and see ours (or are they "in the pay" of Hamas, as your sick moth-frothing friend has suggested all of us are disgusted by what is happening is.
It is easy to see how pre-war Germany happened when you come into contact with you people
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 01:56 AM

Female genital mutilation is too (not to mean overly, but contradicting is not) islamic. Look it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 07:58 PM

Or, perhaps, another poster that should be terminated ??


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 06:47 PM

Another thread that should be terminated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 05:47 PM

YOU already tried to smear me with an outright lie

Please specify and document your accusation , or is it simply more of the usual Bullshit we all expect from Bullshit Bruce?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 05:17 PM

I doubt that the Sunni fundys known as ISIL, ISIS, or IS, have a statutory position mandating FGM. FGM is not Islamic, it's cultural, happens to be cultural in Islamic countries mainly.
there are plenty of real horrors to accuse IS for, FGM probably not one of them.
If you don't care, then don't drag in extraneous untruths (Just the straneous one).


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 05:05 PM

From BBC:

Doubts grow over Isis 'FGM edict' in Iraq 


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 04:08 PM

There is a current thread for Israel already.
Why must you use this one too.
The Caliphate has announced compulsory FGM.
Who cares?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:37 PM

"YOU already tried to smear me with an outright lie"
No Brucie - you have called everybody who thinks the people who have just bombarded a school full of refugees murdering bastards, supporters of Hamas or Antisemites or liars or naive - now, but your money were your moth has been and defend your owqn support for terrorism rather than name calling and skulking behind the Jewish dead
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:22 PM

GregF,

YOU already tried to smear me with an outright lie, and got caught at it. Do you think you might stop having your friends try being as much of a scum-sucking asshole as you have been?


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:18 PM

Ah, BullshitBruce is off his meds again.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 03:15 PM

Musket,

To the contrary. YOU and Jimmy are the ones who support war crimes and the murder of innocent Palestinians civilians by Hamas. You are hardly decent or respectable members of the human race- You fail two present any facts to support your opinions, and attack those who disagree with you rather than present facts to show where they may be wrong. THAT makes you scum.

"We don't. We are humans with a conscience. "

More lies- YOU have shown no conscience or humanity, just support for attacks on innocent civilians, both Israeli and Palestinian, by Hamas.

You are the one exhibiting personality disorder here and it ain't pretty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Caliphate
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:59 PM

Beardedbruce.

You are supporting terrorists. Stop saying decent respectable members of the human race such as Jim and I do.

We don't. We are humans with a conscience. You are the one exhibiting personality disorder here and it ain't pretty.


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