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BS: World Cup

Mrrzy 08 Jul 14 - 09:15 PM
Ebbie 09 Jul 14 - 12:09 AM
GUEST,achmelvich 09 Jul 14 - 02:23 AM
GUEST,Musket 09 Jul 14 - 02:36 AM
The Sandman 09 Jul 14 - 05:36 AM
MGM·Lion 09 Jul 14 - 05:54 AM
GUEST,MikeL2 09 Jul 14 - 06:14 AM
Big Al Whittle 09 Jul 14 - 07:01 AM
gnu 09 Jul 14 - 07:03 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Jul 14 - 07:22 AM
The Sandman 09 Jul 14 - 07:26 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Jul 14 - 07:35 AM
GUEST,Wolfgang 09 Jul 14 - 07:36 AM
GUEST,weerover 09 Jul 14 - 11:10 AM
MikeL2 09 Jul 14 - 11:20 AM
Jim McLean 09 Jul 14 - 11:39 AM
Musket 09 Jul 14 - 01:33 PM
Bonzo3legs 09 Jul 14 - 02:13 PM
MikeL2 09 Jul 14 - 03:28 PM
gnu 09 Jul 14 - 03:48 PM
pdq 09 Jul 14 - 03:59 PM
Bonzo3legs 09 Jul 14 - 04:50 PM
GUEST,Wolfgang 09 Jul 14 - 05:00 PM
GUEST,Wolfgang 09 Jul 14 - 05:04 PM
gnu 09 Jul 14 - 06:34 PM
Steve Shaw 09 Jul 14 - 07:18 PM
Ebbie 09 Jul 14 - 07:40 PM
michaelr 09 Jul 14 - 08:11 PM
Ebbie 09 Jul 14 - 08:57 PM
Bonzo3legs 10 Jul 14 - 02:43 AM
Bonzo3legs 10 Jul 14 - 02:48 AM
GUEST,Musket 10 Jul 14 - 03:06 AM
Big Al Whittle 10 Jul 14 - 10:17 AM
MikeL2 10 Jul 14 - 10:18 AM
Musket 10 Jul 14 - 12:44 PM
GUEST,guest OVer the bar 10 Jul 14 - 12:59 PM
The Sandman 10 Jul 14 - 01:20 PM
GUEST,Schweizer 10 Jul 14 - 02:03 PM
MikeL2 10 Jul 14 - 02:59 PM
gnu 10 Jul 14 - 04:00 PM
Musket 11 Jul 14 - 02:03 AM
GUEST,MikeL2 11 Jul 14 - 04:17 AM
Musket 11 Jul 14 - 04:35 AM
gnu 11 Jul 14 - 08:08 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jul 14 - 07:16 PM
MGM·Lion 12 Jul 14 - 12:36 AM
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gnu 12 Jul 14 - 05:46 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:15 PM

How do you say Ay Caramba in Portuguese?

And girls play better than that, you insult them! That is said with a big grin!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 12:09 AM

Frankly, watching the game wasn't even fun. Like one of the commenters said, it was like a professional team playing amateurs. Or even a high school team- except the high school would have had more energy.

I can see that losing two of your star players would mean that your chances of winning would be extremely low but surely the Brazil fans had the right to expect them to at least be there?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 02:23 AM

textbookcase of cognitive dissonance, one minute you are the best in the world and cruising to another world cup win. 4 minutes later you have to try to understand that you are, in fact, rubbish. imagine what the score could have been if the germans hadn't had to go carefully to protect their dodgy keeper. just occasionally football is an amazing game


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 02:36 AM

As a Sheffield Wednesday fan, whenever we score, I shout that it's like watching Brazil. Perhaps from now on, I should save that compliment for Sheffield Utd.

The signed shirt in my study from three of my 1970 Brazil heroes is beginning to collect cobwebs.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:36 AM

who is going to win tonight?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:54 AM

Holland.

OR Argentina.

Whichever gets more goals than the other one.

That's who...

You're welcome.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 06:14 AM

Hi

Jeeezz !!!

What a one-sided game!!

Brazil never came to the party.

For 15 minutes it looked like it could be a good game but this was just the Germans weighing up the opposition. When they found there was none they made hay in the sunshine.

The Brazilian defence went walk-about. Then Germany opened up and the supposed best team in the World just crumbled. There was no discipline nor any organisation what-so-ever.

Neymar's absence was not to blame for this total shambles. He would not have got a sniff of a goal. Germany were strolling in the second half and IMHO could have scored several more had they wished to do so.

Germany's mid-field was outstanding. They were organised and committed as they broke up Brazil's powder puff attacks, turning these into rapid assaults on an almost non-existant Brazilian defence.

On this form Germany must be strong favourites to win the trophy.

Surely though, Argentina or Holland will provide a much stiffer task ??

I don't think tonight's game will be one-sided. I think it will be close. I want Holland to win but am holding my breath and I am certainly not betting on them to win.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:01 AM

which do you fancy, the great football team that always comes second or the dirty sods?

imponderable!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:03 AM

Surely someone will agree... Brazil began the game with a mental attitude of at least trepidation because two star players were missing and they were playing a very good team while Germany went in on a high note. One, then two, early goals and they fell apart 'mentally'. Of course their minds were not 'on the game' as they were preoccupied with losing after the first goal. After the second goal, it was almost a certainty.

Talent, attitude and discipline win. Ya gotta have all three.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:22 AM

On this form Germany must be strong favourites to win the trophy.

Dunno about that. Germany didn't have to display "form". As the Grauniad put it, they were playing a "team" that appeared to have just been dragged off the beach. Naturally, the canter will have helped to preserve them for Sunday. But I want the Argies to win tonight. Because I love Messi and because I want to see a final involving South America and Europe and because I'd rather watch paint dry than watch a final between the boring beach-towel putter-outerers and and the dirty cheating diving robbin' Robben-inspired Dutch. I've archived a couple of old Holby City episodes for that eventuality.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:26 AM

I agree with Steve,I would rather watch a final with MESSI playing rather than Robben.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:35 AM

I feel like being silly, so here's what will happen tonight. It will be nil-nil after extra time and Argentina will win 4-2 on penalties. It will be an ill-tempered match with eleven bookings. The dirty Dutch will attempt to hack Messi to pieces every time he starts to weave. They'll step on his boot every time he tries to turn, and the ref won't see any of it because other Dutch players crowding Messi will deliberately obstruct the ref's view. At least two Dutch players will do more than enough of that to get sent off but they won't be. Van Persie will be totally anonymous all night. Enjoy!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:36 AM

re: Schweinsteiger's name

Well, I've seen it "explained" incorrectly so often in the British media by a verbatim translation of "steigen" or "Steiger". The relevant part, however, is "Steige" or (in Northern Germany) "Stiege". This word is out of use today, but once meant, among other things, a rather small confinement.

The English word "sty" has the same root, of course.

So the name, very simply and rather close to the English language, means "(the man coming from) the swinesty (pigsty)".

Wolfgang

PS.: I'm still in disbelief of what they have shown last night. They must have transmitted a different game just to tease us and tomorrow they'll tell us the real result. Brasil 2 Germany 1 was my prediction.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,weerover
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 11:10 AM

Holidaying in Galway at the moment, where during the semi the pub just along the road (Roisin Dubh) had bottles of Brahma (Brazilian) and pints of Erlinger (German) at 4 euros. For each goal either side scored, the price of their beer came down by 50 cents. Guess what they sold a lot of?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 11:20 AM

Hi Steve

<" On this form Germany must be strong favourites to win the trophy.

Dunno about that. Germany didn't have to display "form">

Current odds Germany 8-11; Argentina 13-5; Holland 4-1.

Of course those odds will change when tonight's game is decided. Be interesting to see who the bookies will decide who is the team to win.

At those odds I certainly won't be betting.

A friend of mine who is Chinese who does not normally gamble, bet that England would lose 1-2 against Italy, which of course they did. So he the bet on Uruguay beating England 2-1 as well.....and we know what happened. He knows nothing about football. Perhaps he should replace Alan Shearer as a pundit...lol

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Jim McLean
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 11:39 AM

Wolfgang, when I lived in Bavaria they had a pejorative phrase for a loser, I suppose. It sounded like 'Sei Steicher Tyroler ' and meant an imitation mountain climber or something of that sort, literally a pig climbing Tyroler. Does any if this make sense? And the name Stewart also means a pig watcher!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 01:33 PM

Germany Vs Argentina could be a good game for Sunday. A few split loyalties though. There are quite a few people in Argentina of German descent.......







Today's Basil Fawlty moment, you're welcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 02:13 PM

I will be supporting Argentina of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:28 PM

Hi Bonzo

<"I will be supporting Argentina of course.">

No surprise there then...lol

With my afinity to Man United and van Gaal now our manager, no surprise who I am supporting either.

However I think Argentina are a good side. They will not cave like Brazil. I think it will be a hard,physical game and I think Argentina will have too much fire up front. Not that Holland don't have some great strikers, but I think Robben will be marked out of it and van Persie has been ill recently and won't be fit even if he plays.

Fingers crossed.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:48 PM

Right... Nether Regions 2, Argentina 1.

Hey, it worked big time yesterday. Worth a (slight) shot, eh?

On any given Sunday, eh? (Yankee football reference.)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:59 PM

Well, I was poised to be the first to predict a Dutch victory but I am too late.

Discipline and teamwork usually best a group of self-serving "stars".

Germany and Netherlands in finals would be interseting. Hopefully less foul-ridden and violent that some of the games have been.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:50 PM

Postre de Haydee:
Preparar una budinera acaramelada.
Harina y azúcar en partes iguales. Alternar los ingredientes secos con capas de manzanas cortadas finitas. Encima echar 3 huevos batidos con 1 vaso de oporto. Golpear un poquito para que baje el huevo. Cocinar al horno


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:00 PM

Jim,

both informations were completely new for me, thanks.

Some jokes are very short lived, so here's a football joke that can only be told today: (bear in mind that for some German fans their favourite team to lose is Holland and vice versa)

A Dutchman and a German meet this morning. The Dutch says: "We'll play Argentina tonight." The German responds: "Yes, I know. We'll play them next Sunday."

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:04 PM

Ah, well, before I go back to watch the second half, another football joke in admittedly very bad taste:

"What's the good thing about global warming?" "?" "Soon, all football world cups will be played without Holland."

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 06:34 PM

Didn't work.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:18 PM

I feel like being silly, so here's what will happen tonight. It will be nil-nil after extra time

Why yes!

...and Argentina will win 4-2 on penalties.

Well bugger me sideways with a bent banana, but, why yes again!

It will be an ill-tempered match with eleven bookings. The dirty Dutch will attempt to hack Messi to pieces every time he starts to weave. They'll step on his boot every time he tries to turn, and the ref won't see any of it because other Dutch players crowding Messi will deliberately obstruct the ref's view. At least two Dutch players will do more than enough of that to get sent off but they won't be.

Bugger, not too good there I suppose...

Van Persie will be totally anonymous all night.

Why yes!

Bloody good job for the bookies that I'm not a betting man innit...

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:40 PM

That was a good match to watch. (Unlike the Germany/Brazil game, which left a bad taste in the mouth)

Hard fought, evenly matched, good refereeing kept the roughness to a minimum (am I right in thinking that?) and - I didn't have a dog in the hunt but I found myself cheering for the Argentines - the right team won.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 08:11 PM

Steve, you did well!

Ebbie, I disagree. Any game that runs 120 minutes without a goal to me is not worth watching. (I taped it while at work, and probably won't watch it.) I detest penalty shootouts - such a shitty way to decide a match. Whereas yesterday's game was highly entertaining.

I predict Germany to win 2-1.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 08:57 PM

Ah but Michaelr, that simply means that you are a longtime fan of football/soccer and have standards. I am new at it and I find it highly entertaining.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:43 AM

No me importa un pepino como canaron!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:48 AM

Correction: No me importa un pepino como ganaron. Lo que me importa es que ganaron!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 03:06 AM

I am a betting man, unlike Steve. I got 2/1 for 0.0. Not bad odds really for the most expected result. Put a tenner on it.

Off to Scotland right now for the night. That'll go towards the beer fund.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 10:17 AM

Argentina - a lot of histrionics last night to break the rhythm of the Dutch team. great agony that disappeared suspiciously quickly.

watch out for the hand of God putting in an appearance!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 10:18 AM

Hi

Watched the game last night. As I expected very close thing.
Argentina completely blocked out Robben & van Persie.

Neither side looked like scoring and both goalkeepers had little to do.I have seen it quoted in the papers that Robben only touched the ball 6 times in the first half!!

van Gaal tried a different strategy. He tried to win the game by putting on his 3 subs instead of 2 and thus keeping his Goalkeeper for the penalty shootout. Some you win.........

I don't think that Germany will get an easy ride but they look a fair bet to me.
Latest odds for the Final Germany 4/6, Argentina 5/4.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 12:44 PM

Got a tenner on Argentina. If the odds move, I may lay off my bet.

Mike, the odds you quote are for lifting the World Cup? The match odds, that I have placed on are, as at now, Germany 13/10, Argentina 23/10 and draw 9/4. I never bet on overall winner as that can take penalties into account, and I would want far better odds for such a chance result!

By the way, a bloke put a bet on the 7.1 result at 500/1. Lucky sod....


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,guest OVer the bar
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 12:59 PM

I hope Germany do not play with. 10 men, Ozil is a plank . C,mon the Germans.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 01:20 PM

Argentina, had more shots on goal and more chances , mike, you and i, must be seeing things differently, argentina looked like scoring 4 times, holland never looked like scoring.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Schweizer
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:03 PM

The only thing that kept Germany-USA from being the blowout of Germany-Brazil was epic goalkeeping. I suspect another blowout coming.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:59 PM

Hi GSS

I am slightly confused by your post. I never said that Argentina had made more shots on goal.

I said that neither side looked like scoring. Argentina may have had 4 shots on goal, and they may have looked more dangerous occasionally but I don't recall the Holland keeper having to make a good save.

Argentina played brilliantly in defence by tying up van Persie and almost obliterating Robben. Mascerano for me was the man of the match.

With regards to the Final. Germany don't just have two strikers. All their team is capable of scoring as they all change their positions constantly. I think Argentina will have difficulty in constraining Germany.

I really don't mind who wins as long as it is a good game. I like sauerkraut with my corned beef.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 04:00 PM

"I really don't mind who wins as long as it is a good game."

Ahyup. I want entertainment. Part of that is cheering for one team (changing if one's team plays dirty excepted). I shall cheer for Germany... born in Zweibrucken as an RCAF brat I was. Lived there three years. Ah, the good life. Don't remember shit about it. Getting to that stage again.

Sadly, Mum said Argentina today. Maybe just to tease me as she is 87, can't really see the TV screen well and hasn't watched any games yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 02:03 AM

"Ahyup"

No no no.

"Eyup".

Tha's got t' be' moore Yorksheer abaht tha' pronunciation lad.   

Anyone 'ud think tha' wo' a foreigner.

Ooh. Bluddy 'eck. Thy is annall. Al gu tu foot o' our stairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 04:17 AM

Hi Musket

ey oop Sithee yonder throssil. It's avin a wesh in waaaarm watter.

Poot twood int oil.

My Mother was born in Mexborough and lived in Elsecar. My granddad worked in Elsecar "Pits"

My mum's sister lived on Middlewood Road right opposite Hillsborough Park...across from the Library entrance.

As a kid I stood on the terraces at Hillsborough and booed Sheffield United....lol Also went to Oakwell a few times....ah the good old days.

I'm "posh" now and live in Cheshire...lol and sit in the stands at Old Trafford.

How the mighty have fallen.

Regards

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 04:35 AM

Ditto..

I have been a season ticket holder at Hillsborough since the 69/70 season as a small lad. I worked down the pit too, many moons ago. We had a few of the lads come to Manton when Elsecar shut. My main connection with Mexborough is somewhat a pain in the arse. Or at least, I had an operation at Montagu Hospital on my arse a couple of years ago...

Mind you, I too have fallen. Instead of being on the Kop or even the North Stand, I do the hospitality bit, a la carte meal, comfy seats... Costs an arm and a leg but the only way to get Mrs Musket to convert to the true religion. My two lads take photos of their rats coffin and bovril from the kop and send it to my phone, knowing I would rather be with them than across where I sit. Mind you, neither complain when Mrs Musket can't make it and they get wined & dined...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 08:08 AM

This guy is known as "Brazil's 12th man."

What a guy! There are lots of pics and stories about him.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 07:16 PM

Argentina - a lot of histrionics last night to break the rhythm of the Dutch team.

Jaysus, what match were you watching, Al? I saw no histrionics but I did see a very clever, tactical defensive display that completely sidelined robbin' Robben and Van Persie, masterminded most sublimely by Javier Mascherano, who played the game of his life and who made the finest tackle you'll ever see, depriving Robben of a rock-solid goal-scoring, game-changing opportunity. Try to not be quite so anti-Dago, Al!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 12:36 AM

Must agree that Argentina did just play that bit better, with Mascherano excelling, esp in that blocking tackle. And can't too much praise Romero's astonishing performance during the shoot-out; even better than Krul's the previous round. What might have happened, mind you, if Van Gaal had been able to bring Krul on again, which he was presented from doing by force-majeure, having used up his substitutes due to injury...

Anyhow; much looking forward to tomorrow's final. Also to seeing whether Brazil can at least recapture some sort of cred tonite.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 02:36 AM

The schedule says that Brazil-the Netherlands plays "17:00 local time". So what time is that in the US?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 05:46 AM

17:00 ADT, one hour later than EDT.

All games have started at 1PM and 5PM ADT so far.

Note that the final starts at 4PM ADT.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=world+cup+schedule&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=sMOiU-2
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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 07:34 AM

we'll see......


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 09:43 AM

Hi Musket

I too have been able to have "the high life" in that my son's company are Singapore based and the Chairman is a Man United fan ( fanatic).
So he rented an executive box and on most games my son & I were able to go. He also bought 4 season tickets in The North Stand. Now called The Alex Ferguson stand.

Like yours, my wife did not really show much interest in attending games but one week-end the Chairman invited her to come to the game with him. When she came home she was really excited by her excursion. She recounted how she had been escorted round facilities by Peter Schmeichel. Peter stands about 6ft 5ins and my wife is " 1 inch short of 5ft!!!   However Peter was charming and introduced her to several United players.
She then accompanied the chairman into the restaurant and she described the food in much detail.
When I asked her how did she enjoy the game....she replied " Oh that...it was OK. I asked her who they were playing and what the score was. She she didn't know but she thought United won.

Nuff said. She has not been since.

My son & I still go because we bought two of the season tickets from the company. At a discount of course.

Unfortunately (for me) the company cancelled this arrangement two years ago.

Cheers

Mike

PS United beat Spurs 3-1


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