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BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.

Stilly River Sage 10 Mar 14 - 10:52 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 10:52 PM

Shall we end this? It has gone full-circle, and near the end has received both crocodile tears from Songwronger and accurate remarks from an unnamed Guest: I think some of you post too much, causing threads to degenerate either into waffle or bile.

bobad commented about "the long goodbye" and gnu suggested it is time to "Just shit or get off tha pot."

I'll just add "good night, good night, good night" (Michael Cooney).

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 09:59 PM

From an intermittent visitor, who only posts when he has something which contributes, I think some of you post too much, causing threads to degenerate either into waffle or bile. When I see what actually happened in the Countess Richard funeral thread last year, I'm certain I don't want much to do with the folk world now, friends like that I don't need. Right or wrong, a real human being's passing deserved better than the arguments over what had happened rather than actually finding out. And it applies to both sides: has anyone actually done anything to ensure any other singleton folkies are checked up on, for instance? Nope. At least I can say I'm now working with one of the Councils involved to improve such questions.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 09:18 PM

This is the longest version of Camille I've ever seen.

I had no idea you pissed off so many people here Jack the Sailor. I know you bitched about my condemnation of fascism, and I think I made it through a couple of your posts during those exchanges, but DAMN man, you've really irritated some people.

Clue on how to go out with a bit of style.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 07:18 PM

Is this the same Sailor who posted under multiple identities attacking multiple members anonymously until he was outed by the Mudelfs? This is laughable.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 07:07 PM

I disagree with you gnu.
What's a man to do?


If you want the thread to be closed ask for it yourself.
If you have crap to throw around throw it a someone else.

If you are showing off you Max. Take your show elsewhere please.

If you are my friend, stop being a jackass and take the show private.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 06:34 PM

"This is the fourth or fifth time you basically called me an arsehole."

I disagree. You misinterpreted some posts in previous threads and they are in the record for YOU to review. As for my post to which you refer above, I am not calling you an arsehole. Rather, I am calling your bluff. Simply, I am tired of your railing against what we now know to be a Mudcat posting policy and pissing off the mods and members and the site owner. I like ya but... drop it eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 06:11 PM

I was an sardonic joke in response to a foul mouthed abusive post.
As YOU know very well.


I know nothing of the sort. How should I?

Let me give you another example. Someone once posted that anyone who wears ear plugs at concerts is rude and ignorant. I pointed out that my wife had to wear them because of a hearing problem that causes her physical pain when the noise levels, particularly the bass registers, get to high. They then took the opportunity to laugh at the image of people with hearing problems going to concerts. Very funny joke indeed. Almost as good as making fun of the mentally disturbed and drug addicts.

Come of it, ake. You are more than happy to have a go at people, often in a very underhand way, but when they have the temerity to answer back you start to scream about abuse.

Hah!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:57 PM

I have no control over Max or the trolls, gnu. Thank you for your concern. I am also not going to tell or ask anyone to close a thread. I've had that suggestion ignored and mocked too may times.

I know you like me as a person. But that is almost never to my benefit. This is the fourth or fifth time you basically called me an arsehole in public. That isn't exactly kind or polite. Is it? Why can't you complain to me privately? You are not rude on Facebook? What is it about the Mudcat?


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:46 PM

Well, it appears this thread is pretty much done. So, ya gonna ask fer it ta be closed, JtS? The reason I ask is because ya said it 'might' be goodbye and the thread went on long enough fer tha site owner ta ask ya if ya needed any help on yer decision. I mean, take a hint eh b'y? Shit er get off tha pot would ya? Further, I always liked your posts and I like you as a person but fer tha Lard thunderin fuck, it's about time ya gave this shit up. Ere ya TRYIN ta get Max ta chuck ya fer good like ya posted above? Is it a fuckin game? I wouldn't be surprised or blame him if he mowed yer grass after all this fertilizer. I mean, WTF? WHY? And, I don't need a reply. Just shit or get off tha pot. The trolls are gatherin by the post and shittin in the pile and it stinks.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:34 PM

"
Don't be downhearted Jack, because not everyone is unkind or argumentative, or tends to bicker."

I know this. Those who do that are likely to be pleased that I will no longer be trying to talk them out of their recreation.

I would send you a "private message" if I could but I have said as much as I can on the matter publicly.

Cheers Eliza and God Bless you.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:05 PM

Mike Rice!!


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 04:57 PM

"Merry Christmas to you too Jack no matter what planet or substance you are on"

I was an sardonic joke in response to a foul mouthed abusive post.
As YOU know very well.

Disingenuous to the end Dave?


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 04:30 PM

Yes, there is a difference. Calling someone an idiot or cursing them is a frivolous, if annoying, pastime. Calling into question someone's sanity or possible addictions when you have no idea whether that person is mentally unstable or has a close one who does suffer from addiction is reckless and could do some serious damage.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 04:20 PM

Jack B, There IS a difference, I do not curse at you or call you an idiot.

These issues are going to affect society in the future, HIV Infection, the secular society versus religious faith, "liberalism" versus social conservatism, they deserve serious discussion.

Knee jerk reactions are unacceptable, blanket "stoppers", like "equality", "discrimination", "homophobia", "racism", don't cut it on a discussion forum like this.

I have seen no homophobia, or racism here for years and out in the real world equality does not exist under our economic system.

Just keep calm and make your case, you are not God, your ideology is not worth more than mine or any other member of this forum, unless you can prove it to be better.

An example. A guest/ member called me a homophobic bigot on my statement that many male homosexual "marriages"/ unions are different from conventional marriage, in that they are often "open" relationships containing several sexual partners, I posted a link backing my statement and it was completely ignored. A couple of posts later the same person called me a homophobic bigot again....Its all meaningless bullshit, simply an intimidation tactic.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Musket
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 03:37 PM

Aye, ignorance isn't always wicked. Refusal to be enlightened through debate though, it makes you wonder why they seek debate in the first place.

I've had a few pm and emails from our resident saint myself. Personally, I prefer the ones where he likes me.

The only thing I can't tolerate is intolerance.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 03:31 PM

The end of the post immediately before my jocular response.

Ag, but I make no claims otherwise, Ake - neither do I whine on about being hard done to or even bother much with the Holy Law. I gave your comment the contempt it deserved at the time, though in context (and retrospect) I feel it was a fair response to what I said, which was an equally fair response to your ongoing homophobic idiocy, and so on down the line. I'm just pointing out that you (and Jack the Flamer) give as good as you get - so why the hypocrisy, huh?

Otherwise, I think it's civilised enough around here. The worst I've ever had was a PM from Joe Offer a few years back saying I disgusted him for defending MtheGM's right to call me a c*nt. Top stuff!

I don't think anyone here is operating out of pure malice - the various Mudcat Trolls & Flamers are quite a mild bunch considering some of the stuff you see out there. Here it's just hearty banter spiced up with a touch of genuine heartfelt conviction and maybe just a pinch of disappointment that anyone could be so damn dumb in the face of so wondrous a diversity as The Cosmos and all we who dwell therein.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 03:07 PM

Don't be downhearted Jack, because not everyone is unkind or argumentative, or tends to bicker. There are still lots of very nice interesting and polite people here. I hope you will call in from time to time. I for one will be interested to read what you have to say.
Eliza x (One hundred. No, not my age, this is post number 100.)


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 02:53 PM

Hello Max,

I am surprised I have lasted this long.

I said my goodbyes in case they are necessary.

As you can observe, I have both chilled and I am now am fighting my own battles.

I have given up hope of seeing the Mudcat become what it occasionally glimmers to be. It saddens me but that is the reality I must face.

I don't have the time or patience for this forum that I once had. Unkind argumentative bickering wears one down.

I am happy to do my best to observe any official, posted rules on this forum which are endorsed, observed, and are either enforced by the moderating team or obeyed by consensus.

If it is all the same to you, I will check in once in a while and treat others as I am treated.

All the best to you and yours.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 02:35 PM

From "Jack Blandiver".
The end of the post immediately before my jocular response.

"The possibilities are endless, so it's always a shame when some small-minded ill-informed fecking idiot comes along spreading their message of hate based on a complete misunderstanding of what is natural, or not natural, based entirely on their own fucked up miserable world-view which is the only true perversion here!

My response.

"And a Merry Christmas to you too Jack, no matter which planet or substance you are on."


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Max
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 12:42 PM

Let me know if you need any "help" with your decision JtS.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 07:18 AM

I CBA to read all this, but I am AMAZED recently to have seen one post from the Sorearse and and one from Jack the Sprat that I agreed with.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Not Musket
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 06:18 AM

Thought I'd try calling myself something else as my posts tend to go missing.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:31 AM

One can answer a "challenge" reasonably, but it is impossible to debate with someone who relies on personal insults, and the traducing of his opponent's character and motives?

I feel obliged to point out that this is exactly what Ake did to me on Xmas Day 2013 when, failing to understand the content of a post I made in answer to his intransigent & sickening homophobia, he resorted to dismissing me as mentally ill or on drugs.

As with Arch Flamer Jack the Sailor, his continued hypocrisy on this matter is laughable, likewise his above comment "Jack Blandiver" is also pretty transparent....even for one as basically educated as myself.. WFT???

*

That Xmas post to save anyone the bother of wading for it:

http://mudcat.org/detail.cfm?messages__Message_ID=3586522


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 03:19 AM

Troubadour, Musket referred to himself as "fucking important."
I was just repeating it back to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 09:21 PM

Checking in while watching "Cosmos" on TV Y'all trying to keep me away?

BTW, pete, it starts with the scientific method.

I don't know if I started this conversation by asking Ake not to defend me. But guys

http://grammar.about.com/od/developingessays/a/topicargumt07.htm

here are forty conversations to discuss. All of them are more interesting than "Is Ake a worm?", "Is Musket a liar" and hasn't Jack left yet.

Oops! show's back on!


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:43 PM

Just before I turn in.

"Nobody was ever enlightened by NOT having his views challenged."
I agree 100% GUEST T, but there is a difference between having ones views "challenged", and being subjected to sustained personal abuse and name calling.
One can answer a "challenge" reasonably, but it is impossible to debate with someone who relies on personal insults, and the traducing of his opponent's character and motives?

Keith did swear at the person he was addressing, but he had been subjected to weeks of abuse and name calling before that.
There are few here who could have endured that treatment without occasionally "biting back".


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:32 PM

"I have cared enough about evidence to only provide it with a reputable source, and to identify false evidence put up by Musket."

Such evidence as "Israel denies that"!

WOW!


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:23 PM

Damn! That was (fairly obviously) me.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:21 PM

"Troubadour, it is possible to disagree without name-calling, gratuitous abuse and personal denigration.
That is what Jack campaigned for, he had every right to do so, and what a shame that he had to."

He chose his targets wih a bias which was both obvious and indefensible.

Why did he not react to your calling Musket a "Fucking disgrace", while castigating others for using the word "fool"?

Having said that, I am agin seeing him leave while people like you remain.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:17 PM

"the purpose of discussion is enlightenment, not disagreement."

Al, you miss the point.

Unless people have different points of view, there is nothing to discuss.

Different points of view = disagreement.

Disagreement may not be the purpose, but it must, IMHO, be the process.

Nobody was ever enlightened by NOT having his views challenged.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 07:45 PM

"Jack Blandiver" is also pretty transparent....even for one as basically educated as myself.   :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 07:42 PM

Dave, the "alter egos", are the group of "guests" who swarm round your little group.

Oh, FFS, ake. How many times to I need to repeat that I have no 'little group'. I can tell you exactly who I have met on Mudcat but I would not name them here in case you deem them to be 'childish' or any other such names. They include many from the UK - I did arrange a Mudcat gathering in Manchester. At least 3 from the US and 1 from Germany. They do not include Musket, Steve or any of the others you are trying to discredit with your silly little games.Just accept that I am not in some sort of conspiracy to get you. You are just not that important.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 07:14 PM

Dave, the "alter egos", are the group of "guests" who swarm round your little group.
I am reliably informed that the nameless one has numerous Mudcat guest personas and I know from reading his posts that there is and has been collusion with associates like the Seaham Cemetery troll. Most of these posts have been kindly deleted by admin, but I have them on file.
I am sure you are above THAT sort of childishness


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 06:49 PM

Musket's false healthcare claims and his ignorance and denial of facts are on display in recent posts to HIV thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 06:49 PM

"I'm not ever going to understand how you approach, so not surprised you don't understand me."

Do notice that my major point about what I 'don't understand' is the part about why you pursue your approach toward those who don't play that game. Is it that firmly set in your mind that it become automatic? Are you able to pop out of that mode when it isn't working? Or do you just not care how it affects those who aren't as clever or just don't wish to play?
(Those are kind of serious questions... I have inhabited this forum since it began and was ONLY a music site. I have more than a passing interest in its development and its relationship to internet 'rules' and formalities in general. I also frequent some newsgroups (Usenet) and find some of the same issues in groups that one would think would not lead to rancor and conflict.)


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 06:29 PM

I have seen little "logic" from the "Messiahs" or their alter egos.

Does that include me, ake. I do hope so. I would rather be in the company of Musket and Steve than some others any day. I have seen more logic in some of their arguments than in any post by you. OK - It gets a bit heated at times but you would try the patience of saint.

DtG


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Subject: Lyr Add: HOW CAN I MISS YOU WHEN YOU WON'T GO AWAY
From: pdq
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 05:48 PM

HOW CAN I MISS YOU WHEN YOU WON'T GO AWAY?
~ Dan Hicks

I've talked to your mother and I've talked to your dad
They say they've tried, but it's all in vain
I've begged and I've pleaded
I even got mad
Now we must face it, you give me a pain

How can I miss you when you won't go away?
Keep telling you day after day
But you won't listen, you always stay and stay
How can I miss you when you won't go away?

Your neverending presence really cramps my style
I dream that it won't always be the same
At first I was attracted, but after a while
Have you ever heard of the hard-to-get game?

How can I miss you when you won't go away?
I keep telling you day after day
But you won't listen, you always stay and stay
How can I miss you when you won't go away?
And I mean it, too!

Out of 3 billion people, why must it be me?
Oh why, oh why won't you cut me loose?
Just do me a favor and listen to my plea
I'm not the only chicken on the roost!

How can I miss you when you won't go away?
I keep telling you day after day
But you won't listen, you always stay and stay
How can I miss you when you won't go away?


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Musket
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 05:21 PM

"False evidence put up by Musket..."

This is why I may turn some off. You see I don't lie about healthcare, on account of the fact I no more lie about healthcare than a lollipop man lies about when it is clear to cross.

Unfortunately, healthcare is an excellent way of scaring you to their odious points of view. The Daily Mail makes a point of it with its daily cancer scare. Keith has a political point to make and Akenaton displays hatred towards sections of society. The two of them prop each other up despite contradicting each other at every turn.

Mudcat isn't qualified to deal with it. In fact, incitement to hatred is usually an item for the police but anyway. Nobody is impressed by their twisting abuse to sate their irrational fear of things different to them, so the most damning thing I can say is no harm done.

Bill. This is an international forum. I'm not ever going to understand how you approach, so not surprised you don't understand me. I too admire the openness and frankness of Jack, whilst I doubt his approach to subjects is anything like mine.

Luckily, at least he has views. Some on here, two in particularly have agendas, and their particular form of finding reasons to hate sections of society neither deserve nor get respect. They are not views, they are personality disorder.

One of them just told your friend to fuck off. If ever there was an opportunity for someone to take their own advice.....


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 04:16 PM

"The way of life where I come from of merciless ribbing and seeing how far up a wall people get and winning prizes for the highest chalk mark doesn't, in my experience, cross the pond successfully."

Yes, I am sure of that... if fact, I have commented on it several times. What I do not understand, and likely never will, is why you (and a few others) persist in the exercise in an **international** forum where it doesn't always set well. It is even more complicated than that: it is hard sometimes to tell when "merciless ribbing" stops and gratuitous serious insults begins! When Steve calls Pete really nasty names, is it "merciless ribbing"?

You could go to Japan and refuse to make formal bows and exchange cards. You could go to Saudi Arabia and eat left-handed. There are all sorts of areas where the common social norms are different, but if YOUR social norm includes ignoring and ridiculing the norms of others and perusing your own, no matter what, don't be surprised if the game wears on those who don't play it daily. I can usually tell, in face-to-face personal encounters, who is "merciless ribbing" me, and who is really after me in a serious way. Here, it is harder..... and more importantly, it TAKES LONGER to analyze and type a measured response than to exchange 'live' banter!

My preference is to use HTML and other indications to be very clear about my intentions, and also to argue against positions, not personalities... witness this attempt! Jack can tell you that I have in the past debated with HIM... and his wife... but I know them personally, and they are good people. I attended their wedding, and they have brought me wood for my shop. It is not important that we have had different opinions about a couple issues!

I'm not sure if people will ever develop rules for conversations in this medium.... 40,000 years of doing it in person (ooops.. 8,000 in Pete's case) certainly can't be overcome in 20 years of text. Maybe when Mudcat has Skype built in.....


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 04:01 PM

My impression is that you just like to argue and don't care about evidence or the health of the group you claim to be campaigning for.

Your impression is wrong Jack.
There is nothing either of us have ever said to justify such a disgusting slur.

I have cared enough about evidence to only provide it with a reputable source, and to identify false evidence put up by Musket.

Anyone who did not care about people's health would advocate letting them die, not encouraging them to get screened and treated.

Perhaps you should just fuck off Jack, and good riddance.

My best wishes to Carol anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jim McLean
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 03:33 PM

Goodbye, JtS.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 02:45 PM

The stalker remark had nothing to do with "name calling", Jack.

I thought your campaign was to stop "name calling"?

Or is it only when you are the target that you find it unacceptable?


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 02:28 PM

"No one is "pushing my buttons" Jack, "

No? So why do you keep shoveling out the same old tired load of manure every time someone calls you an name?

It is not as if you haven't made the same screwed up point a hundred times over. The are a lot of people who don't stalk you who are tired of your crap. Why do you continue? If not to count coup on you "stalkers."


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 02:20 PM

No one is "pushing my buttons" Jack,   I don't respond to stalkers and don't get the idea that there is any ribbing or fun about the tactic. I always keep calm, and never abuse or make threats! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Emissary from Musketland
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 02:07 PM

No Bill. Bullying at school was being cruel in a top dog attempt. Or base human nature as we say in hushed tones.

The way of life where I come from of merciless ribbing and seeing how far up a wall people get and winning prizes for the highest chalk mark doesn't, in my experience, cross the pond successfully.

Like I said, the only snag with bringing it from reality to la la land of the interwebby thing is that your eyes give you away back in reality.

Even worse, here on Mudcat, ribbing might be seen as approval and that will never do. If you hadn't noticed, we have people on here who openly promote enforced rounding up of sections of society based on their choice of lover, who calls a lifestyle different to his own perverted etc. Even worse, there are those who would disguise their own feelings by giving tacit support to such extremists.

No. I'm all for debate but I don't think Mudcat is qualified to deal with some who use it to give oxygen to hate. It's asking far too much of the moderators.

I can't speak for my co Messiahs, but I can't see what the fuss is all about. If you can't handle the reaction, keep your bigotry in the pub where alcohol helps make you accepted. Most of us are sober and rational when reading Mudcat. (He says , after a liver soaking weekend in Edinburgh...)

Jack is my hero now if anyone hadn't noticed. He is, after all basing his chiselled jaw, well endowed novel hero character on Musket.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 01:58 PM

I am very tired, too tired to play music, been trying to repair a barn, have had loads of trees down, thanks for the good wishes, at least I wasnt flooded, being up the top of a hill.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 01:51 PM

PHOR PHUCKS SAKE AKE.

Is anyone stalking you today?

No?

Then why do you keep shoveling the same crap?

Do you WANT to be stalked.

Musket. Quit picking on Ake. It is not sporting and it is boring for everyone else when you keep pushing the same buttons and getting the same reactions.

Keith A Quit picking on musket. It is not sporting and it is boring for everyone else when you keep pushing the same buttons and getting the same reactions.

A discussion is not something that mature, civilized people try to win.


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Subject: more & more & more
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 01:21 PM

"I have a history of berating Jack and delighting in his reactions to my name calling. "

Now THERE'S a wholesome hobby! Where have I heard of a similar thing....hmmmm......
Oh, right!... when I was in school, we called it "bullying". It used to include physical abuse, but when the wrong people might see, the bullies just resorted to name calling and teasing.. just to see if they could get a reaction. I'm sure there was some deep satisfaction when they were successful.... and then they could use THAT reaction as a base for the next round of remarks. If they were able to actually drive someone to cry or 'run away', it was indeed a great triumph.
   But now & then, they encountered a target who didn't 'play the game' to their satisfaction.... nothing worse than being ignored or one-upped ...

Now, it seems, that childhood impulse is still endemic in certain demographics, but now the world has **the internet/WWW**, and the rules and he game are trickier. Satisfaction which used to come from personal observation of the target's discomfort must now be derived from internal bio-feedback and patting one's self on the back... or hopefully, being joined by others who engage in mutual congratulatory back-patting... even if they have never met! Oh, a bully's life is SO complicated in this modern world! Ah, well... those deep needs to explicate one's superiority must be met! DNA will find a way!


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 01:05 PM

Well, I'm sorry you feel like that Jack, but regardless of how you feel about me, or Keith for that matter, your campaign has cleaned up the forum, admin realised the danger these people are to serious discussion and sorted out the name calling and the most serious personal abuse. I thank them for that, and so should you, whether you agree with me or not.

Regarding "fighting my your own battles" I am presently quietly going about that.

"The people who call you names have tried logic".... Is stalking my family and implying cruelty to animals in my care, logic?

Is making "creepy" veiled threats, logic?

I have seen little "logic" from the "Messiahs" or their alter egos.


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Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Musket flavoured fish sauce
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 12:26 PM

Perhaps that's the trick. Sound reasonable and inclusive and you are respected.

The snag is, you end up being inadvertently respected by those with no self respect.

I have a history of berating Jack and delighting in his reactions to my name calling. I also disagree with him on many key points. But you know what? All it did was accidentally put him in the same boat as certain others, (see Jack's post above) which is as bad as his gaining their respect.

I've learned. Jack has learned.

You can't have a laugh, take the piss and joke and hold beneath contempt at the same time.

Still, lying about your religion isn't lying if you keep your fingers crossed, regardless.


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