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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 10:22 PM

Van: "My current shine...."

My current shine????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Van
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 07:31 PM

Why is anyone drawn to anyone? My current shine has a record you wouldn't believe but if she's not here I miss her like hell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 01:38 AM

Interesting that some people can't accept my question. I suppose, for the benefit of the hair splitters, I should have asked why certain seemingly-capable girls seem to be drawn to men who ignore, abuse, and abandon them - men who are often beset by addictions.

I'm not worried about the ones who enter into an equal partnership with somebody who loves them and cares for them. The ones I'm concerned about are the ones who put themselves into a relationship that is dangerous for themselves and for their children. I gave two examples of young women who are particularly good friends, but I have known many others. Sometimes, it seems they're out to "save" the young man in question; and sometimes they just seem to think that others just don't understand how good the man actually is.

And yeah, some bright young men end up with losers for partners, too.

Oftentimes, it seems that everybody but the innocent victim, knows that this person is entering into a destructive relationship. But these people seem drawn into such relationships like a fly going into a spider's web. I feel bad for them - but why do they do it?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 12:56 AM

1) Read The Ginger Man - do you identify with Sebastian or Kinch?
2) Repeat exercise Brideshead Revisited - Sebastian or Charles Ryder - which is the better night out?

and there you have it.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 12:26 AM

but its sweet. joe that you see women as madonnas choosing men beneath them....


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 10:53 AM

Sorry, posted the same links twice. My first message 'disappeared' at my end and therefore I thought it hadn't appeared on here, as I couldn't see it..but..it had.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 06:57 PM

Joe, often, the 'bad boys' choose the women first...and often, those women are kind, loving, and/or vulnerable. Perfect prey.

Dating A Sociopath

Misogynists - Characteristics - Behaviour


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:34 PM

Hats off, Brian!!!
Great advice, McGrath!!

...the losers are the ones who miss out on the opportunity, to share that lifelong love with your wife and family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...and icing on the cake, and a most profound experience, is to deliver your own children, alone, with your wife!!!!!!!

Regards!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Brian May
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 05:27 AM

The Drama Triangle

Fortunately it worked for me as we've been married over 30 years and still talk!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 09:48 PM

"My understanding of Loser is a man who will not make his woman happy or secure. It's in the character not the circumstances."

An interesting definition. Sounds a bit like "Me Tarzan, You Jane". Or perhaps Fifty Shades...

Find the woman who wants whatever kind of man you are, and to be treated whatever way you treat her, and you're no loser...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 06:51 PM

Then on the other hand, 'When Loving comes to Giving, some people stop at nothing!"

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 04:47 PM

Here ya go, Joe...a few answers will be found in here:
Dating A Sociopath

And...in here:
'What is Misogyny..And How To Recognize A Misogynist

You see, many of these men have a REAL problem with their mothers, going right back to early childhood. They grow up taking that problem out on ALL women, but they do it very cleverly. They are master actors, manipulators and often are *incredibly* charming to the woman and to their own friends too, who will never believe what their friend does....

Often, they surround themselves with other women too, playing the main woman in their life off against the others, filling her head with all sorts of stories about them...and then, when she breaks, SHE is the one with the problem, being labelled 'jealous' and 'a bunny boiler' etc...

By then, he has gone back into type with his friends, with the other women around him, who think he is totally wonderful...

No-one, but NO-ONE will love you as a Sociopath does and they will make you feel SO supported, so wanted, so needed, so utterly loved..and then, they will either break the woman down into a jibbering wreck, or they will just walk away without a backward glance, bored, and the job of 'getting back at their mother' achieved once again.

You will find women who do this too, perhaps due to problems with their father, or sexual abuse later on in life.....ALL men will be made to suffer, after being strung along for a while..and the Sociopathic minds can hook people in VERY fast.

Women, or men, who have had a long relationship with such a person may well have had every ounce of their self-belief taken away from them, and so, they are EASY prey for the next Sociopath/Misogynist/Man Hater looking for their next piece of prey....

They nearly ALWAYS choose kind/loving/insecure/older people too...

And when they make a MISTAKE and choose a person who stands up to them, who DARES to say "The Hell, you DO!!!", they will then go on to try and break that person apart in every way, tearing their reputation apart everywhere they can...in every way they can, telling terrible lies, spewing out their hatred to the person concerned, threatening them with suicide, whatever it takes to make their prey feel guilty...

And of course, if any other person, decent or otherwise, dares to make a play for their former partners, they will home in on them again, for even though they do not LOVE that person, they feel that person *belongs* to them...

ANYONE can fall for a Sociopath/Misogynist/Man Hater (can't think of the correct word for the latter, gettin' old)...and trust me, if it has never happened to you before, you will be put through hell for a while...

NEVER give in to them, never EVER give in, no matter what they threaten you with, no matter what others believe of you..and others WILL believe it of you, for YOU once believed that person too.

Those sites are wonderful..


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 02:23 PM

You know a lot of news came out after that song that puts MJ being "bad" in a whole different light.

At least we can agree with confidence that "Billie Jean" was not his lover and the kid is not his son.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 02:17 PM

I guess they didn't get it.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 01:26 PM

I didn't know that, Musket. I'm very out of date; I thought the current term was 'wicked'! (Or was it 'cool'?) Never mind, it'll be something else in a month or two.
Poor Michael Jackson isn't 'bad', he's 'dead'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Musket
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 08:26 AM

Of course, given the average age of contributors, we teenagers are smiling indulgently because we know that "bad" is a positive term!



Bad - Michael Jackson,

Discuss.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 07:46 AM

Very good point McGrath. But highly successful bad blokes can rely quite heavily in a parasitical way on their host women. They need satellite gophers to cover their tracks and fulfil their needs, sexual, domestic, complicity in crime etc. They may do very well in life but if truly bad, they can't be depended upon or turned to in a crisis. They aren't faithful or selfless. They don't make good fathers. They're often violent (in the underworld violence is a given) As I said before, a man in poverty isn't necessarily a loser. My husband wasn't and isn't, and he was hardly clothed, never mind fed, and slept on a sheet of cardboard on the ground, when we met. My understanding of Loser is a man who will not make his woman happy or secure. It's in the character not the circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 07:36 AM

Being a "Bad Bloke" does not mean that you will not be highly successful in a number of ways, with or without a prison record, just as being hugely unsuccessful, with or without a prison record does not mean you will be a "Bad bloke".   

The term "loser" just confuses the issue. Is it just supposed to mean being unsuccessful? Or being "a Bad Bloke"? Or both together? Better pension it off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Musket
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 07:32 AM

Bruce.

Stick to sonnets, they make easier reading....

(Cards on table. I do sadly understand, and used to inspect lasers used in medical sense, LASIK and LASEK for eyes, laser and IPL for hair removal, thread vein reduction etc. The now defunct UK laws regarding protocols and local rules.. yawn, excuse me.)

No girl would have been drawn to me if I admitted to knowing what I used to know. Such detail has loser written all over it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 04:14 AM

Being in prison doesn't necessarily mean a person is a loser... hmm. When I started doing prison work, I used to be quite idealistic. I thought the poor souls had had no chance in life, bad upbringing, sad past, mental illness, violent parents, absent fathers and all that. I reckoned with understanding. kindness and support, many could turn their lives around. Obviously that's true for the odd one or two, but I'm sorry to say the vast majority were Bad Blokes. No doubt this will produce a storm of protest, but it's what I learnt after some years. Dishonesty is a character trait which is extremely hard to expunge. Those men were users, and viewed anyone daft enough to go in and see them as a target for manipulation. Even some of the Chaplains were very cynical about them. I continued to do my best until I got too old for the journeys, but I certainly would not want a daughter of mine to get involved with anybody with a prison record. I would have no hesitation in calling them Losers, and stating that they'd make any woman unhappy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 03:52 AM

So, the chick ended up with a 'loser',eh?.......because YOU see her as so cute and wonderful and charming, and figure YOU are the better guy for her????
Speaks volumes!

Down deep, all men are shallow..........

Down deep, all women are inside out.............

....and the grass is always greener on the other side...........

By the way, is the guy who is noticing the girl with the loser...is he married while making such 'profound observations'?

..and then maybe the chick is the loser.....and turns the guys into one, too....water does seek it's level!
This chick is obviously 'so together',she traded her instincts for a loser????

So, here it is.....

Women have no honor, and men have no pride.....A woman can do anything at any time with any man, and somehow explain it all away, as if she did nothing wrong....and where is the honor in that?????
And men will drop everything, he is doing, run himself broke, sever lifelong relationships with friends, and be obsessed by her, and pursue her to the ends of the earth, even if it takes all his resources pursuing someone who has no honor....and how can you be proud of that???????!!!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 07:00 PM

"And not everyone who ends up in prison deserves to be categorically labeled a loser. "

True, true...
Most have lost a trial or two.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Janie
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 06:51 PM

And not everyone who ends up in prison deserves to be categorically labeled a loser.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 06:44 PM

Not to worry Bruce. My cat is about as real as Schrodingers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 04:11 PM

The odd thing about the term "losers" is that undoubtedly the kind of people it's being used about in this thread would have used it to refer to people who'd here be seen as the reverse.

It's not a label I like to be seen used of anybody. Begs too many questions and invites too many assumptions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 04:11 PM

The odd thing about the term "losers" is that undoubtedly the kind of people it's being used about in this thread would have used it to refer to people who'd here be seen as the reverse.

It's not a label I like to be seen used of anybody. Begs too many questions and invites too many assumptions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 03:37 PM

Sometimes, even the female officers get romantically involved with male prisoners. You'd think they's have an 'inside' view (sorry!) of the type of chap found behind a cell door. Just shows how charming, attractive and sexy 'losers' can be. I was astonished to find female officers alongside the men, but it's standard practice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: meself
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 10:25 AM

A poet complaining about Valentine's Day a few years back, on the radio (CBC): "Your average, run-of-the-mill psychopath in prison gets more love letters than I do .... "


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 07:38 AM

Jack,

The problem is not so much pointing it at the eyes, but reflection off a smooth surface into the eyes. It does not require intent to happen.

Unintended consequences to one's actions are often more dangerous than actions intended to hurt or damage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 01:59 AM

It's the way they kiss, Joe.



ON THE ROAD TO FAIRFAX COUNTY
(David Massengil)

O once I loved an outlaw
He came and stole my heart,
O how I count the hours
Since we were torn apart.

On the road to Fairfax County
I spied a highwayman
He wanted all my money
My heart beat like a drum

I gave him all my money
And sweet he smiled at me,
His beauty I took pity
Beneath a black oak tree.

We kissed but for an hour
The sun was newly warm,
The clouds were as the flowers,
That bloom but for a morn.

He gave back all my money
And bowed most gallantly,
He promised for to meet me
That night beneath the tree.

We'd flee to some far island
And there we would be wed,
And freely we would live there
With no price upon his head.

One night I went to meet him
With my inheritance,
He kissed me 'neath the half moon
And joyful we did dance.

O love betrays all secrets
It whispers in the breeze,
The sheriff he did follow
With all his deputies.

Like hounds rushing to slaughter
The fox whose luck is run,
He stood erect and cursed them,
"Goddamn you, everyone!"

They seized him in a fury
And heeding not my plea,
They hung him from the oak tree
Where he made love to me.

O once I loved an outlaw
He came and stole my heart,
O how I count the hours
Since we were torn apart.




love,harpgirl


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 06:23 PM

....and legislate the loopholes...

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 06:22 PM

...or own the judges!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 05:59 PM

Good one GfS.

Elected or bankers, or anyone who can afford the best lawyers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 05:51 PM

Guest: "A criminal in prison is a loser. A successful criminal is not in prison."

They're usually elected!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 05:28 PM

Thanks Bruce.

If I ever buy a dollar store LASER pointer, I'll keep in mind that I should not point it at my kitten's eyes. If I ever get a kitten.

:-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 05:21 PM

A criminal in prison is a loser. A successful criminal is not in prison.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 05:12 PM

Eliza, When I mentioned the guys leave, and who don't raise their own kids, I wasn't only referring to prison....there are plenty of schmucks out there, who are prisoners to their own horny-ness, that in their manipulations of women, to get what they want, they 'make a donation', then, for whatever manipulation they delude themselves with, do not raise the child, leaving the woman to her own wits.
That being said, you did bring up an aspect that I wasn't thinking of....Thanks for the contribution!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 04:44 PM

It seems that 'loser' in that context is a man who cannot generate money for himself, in other words financially a loser. So a successful criminal is not strictly speaking a loser, I see what you mean Richard. But I still prefer my rather broader definition of a man I wouldn't wish my daughter to become attached to. That is to say, morally a loser. Poverty isn't of itself a discouragement for a potential partner. My own husband was half-starved and had literally nothing, but his character and moral compass were excellent. Over the years, he's proved to be a winner in every sense!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 02:42 PM

Yes, let's define "loser".

A "loser" is someone who loses.

They could be Tim Tim nice but dim, qualified as a solicitor, decent chap - his practice is going under and he is going bankrupt.

Or they could be Wayne Jobless - not only can't get a job but can't even make a successful benefits claim and sanctioned into starvation.

A successful crim is not a loser.

A successful thug is not a loser.

Johnny prisoner with 3 babymothers ready to smuggle contraband in is only partly a "loser".

Those are not the attractive forbidden boy. That forbidden boy is the archetype from Lawrence's "Virgin and the Gipsy", the drug dealer with god teeth and diamonds drinking Grey Goose and Kristal, even maybe Mark Thatcher the clueless but very rich arms dealer. The people who stick two fingers up at society's rules - and at a girl's mother telling her to keep her hand on her ha'penny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 02:26 PM

The cheap ones they sell as pointers- I guess they can be safer than the long pointed sticks that they used to use - THOSE could poke your eye out!

The ones I work with are for the ATLAS instrument on ICESat 2.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 02:17 PM

Please forgive a silly old lady, beardedbruce, but what are these laser things actually for?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 01:43 PM

My pocket laser pointer ( from the dollar store) is a class IIIa, 5mw 650nm- more than sufficient to cause permanent blindness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 01:41 PM

Jack:

The current version of the main ANSI Z136.1 Standard (Z136.1-2000) assigns lasers into one of four broad hazard Classes (1, 2, 3a, 3b and 4) depending on the potential for causing biological damage. Classification is determined by calculations based on exposure time, laser wavelength and average power for CW or repetitively-pulsed lasers and total energy per pulse for pulsed lasers.(1)

These calculations are used to determine a factor defined as the Accessible Emission Limit, or AEL which is the mathematical product of the Maximum Permissible Exposure limit (MPE) given in the Standard and an area factor computed from the defined term called the Limiting Aperture (LA). That is: AEL = MPE x Area of LA .

Limiting Apertures are dependent on factors such as laser wavelength and are based on physical factors such as the fully dilated pupil size (7mm) and beam "hotspots" (1mm).

For most all exposures to the skin and IR exposures to the eye lasting greater 10 seconds, the involuntary movement of the eyes and the body as well as heat conduction will average an irradiance profile over an area of about 10 mm2, even if the irradiated body part is kept intentionally still. This equates to a size of about 3.5 mm.

Especially in the near-infrared, radiation is penetrating relatively deep into skin and due to scattering, the irradiance profile is averaged over corresponding dimensions. For wavelengths larger than 0.1 mm, an aperture size of 11 mm is specified, as smaller apertures would lead to inaccurate measurements due to diffraction effects.

Each laser class is based on these AEL thresholds:

Class 1 lasersor systems cannot emit accessible laser radiation in excess of the applicable Class 1 AEL for any exposure times within the maximum duration inherent in the design or intended use of the laser. Class 1 lasers are exempt from all beam-hazard control measures.
Class 2 lasersare CW and repetitively pulsed lasers with wavelengths between 0.4 m and 0.7 m that can emit energy in excess of the Class 1 AEL, but do not exceed the Class 1 AEL for an emission duration less than 0.25 seconds and have an average radiant power of 1mW or less.
Class 3a lasers have an accessible output between 1 and 5 times the Class 1 AEL for wavelengths shorter than 0.4 m or longer than 0.7 m, or less than 5 times the Class 2 AEL for wavelengths between 0.4 m and 0.7 m.
Class 3b lasers cannot emit an average radiant power greater than 0.5 Watts for an exposure time equal to or greater than 0.25 seconds or 0.125 Joules for an exposure time less than 0.25 seconds for wavelengths between 0.18 m and 0.4 m, or between 1.4 m and 1 mm. In addition, lasers between 0.4 m and 1.4 m exceeding the Class 3a AEL cannot emit an average radiant power greater than 0.5 Watts for exposures equal to or greater than 0.25 seconds, or a radiant energy greater than 0.03 Joules per pulse.
Class 4 lasers and laser systems exceed the Class 3b AEL.
(1) Note that the ANSI Z136.1 (2000) Standard is under revision and is [proposing the adoption of the IEC Standard's Classification Scheme described below.


ANY laser can cause eye damage if directed into the eye. Some are just more dangerous than others. ( Working with class 3B and 4 lasers now, to reflect from orbit ,off ice and back to orbit)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 01:28 PM

True, GfS, and there were plenty of prisoners who'd got the T shirt on that one. I helped countless poor little lassies with strings of children get from the station to the Prison in my car for their visit with 'Daddy'. I don't think the youngsters really knew who the chap in the stripey shirt was. But I knew that many of them were carrying drugs in their nappies or little shoes for 'Daddy'. (Prisons now insist that all nappies are changed in the waiting room, in front of an officer, for a 'prison nappy', to prevent smuggling. All children are rub-down searched too. Dreadful.) Those men were Losers. Big-time. But one can have a lot of elastic for a man with minor faults. Most men are genuine and only want to be loved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 01:24 PM

LASER pointers are designed for use in business meetings. I doubt they are very dangerous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 01:12 PM

Eliza, You left out men who will get a girl pregnant, and then not be around to raise it!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 12:48 PM

Back in the olden days, when people did knitting, kittens traditionally played with the ball of wool, which would attract them by making jerky movements as the knitter knitted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 12:32 PM

I've often done that with a simple torch beam Jack. Kittens like to chase anything that moves. But aren't these laser things a bit dodgy in the hands of ordinary people? Presumably they could seriously damage the eyes of humans, never mind kittens!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 12:26 PM

"From: Musket - PM
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 04:51 AM

I assume there aren't many cats with cataracts in Carolina since you moved there then Jack? "

That is a very good joke sir!

but.....

I have to confess that my knowledge of the Kitten/LASER conflaguration is entirely second and third hand, mostly gleaned from the conversations of friends on Face Book about their cats, my wife watching "Krazy Kat" type videos and a couple of gags from "Big Bang Theory" on television. I hereby confess that I sometimes repackage jokes from the outside world and present them here for y'all's enjoyment.

That said,

I don't think the point is to point the pointer into the feline eye. It is to project a projection of coherent light onto the floor and walls that the kitten mistakes for practice prey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are girls drawn to losers?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 12:11 PM

Janie: 'Define losers'
Janie has hit the nail on the head.
There are varying degrees of losers. It could mean men who are a bit irresponsible, silly, immature, tending to infidelity, selfish, vain, unable to save money.
Or men who are violent, abusive, addicted to a substance, controlling, criminal, terrible fathers, no intention of finding work. We all have faults, and no-one is perfect. But my interpretation of a loser is someone I'd be horrified to find a daughter of mine involved with. (Sorry about the preposition at the end!) I've known daft men, inadequate men, a-bit-too-much-to-drink men, arrogant chaps etc. But 'losers' would be like those I met in the prisons. Not capable of sustaining the happiness or security of a female. Toxic in the extreme, and generating depression and fear in their unfortunate hangers-on. Many were very charming and attractive, and knew how to manipulate kindly people. Dangerous blokes. And they never seemed short of a lassie or two. Sometimes two women would turn up on the same visit clutching their Visiting Orders for the same inmate, and have a cat fight in the car park.


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