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Subject: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 05:59 PM

Stop playing the Race Card Sarah Palin.

Is the GOP starting a MLK day tradition? If so I'm tired of it already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 06:20 PM

Does anybody in the US care what that bimbo has to say about anything?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 07:06 PM

I get Palin and Coulter mixed up. Is she the stupid one or the stupid one?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 07:14 PM

Yes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: John J
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 07:16 PM

She's a wonderful source of entertainment!

JJ
(In England)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 07:16 PM

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 08:57 PM

Coulter is the stupid horse faced one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 09:19 PM

Coulter is also not the one who is really Tina Fey.....


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 10:18 PM

Palin, Coulter and Bachmann: With initials like that they should be managed by the Toxic Substances Control Act.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 05:48 AM

"People in glass houses" applies here John.
Some of our top politicians could hardly be described as the sharpest tools in the box?

Hague, Cameron, Balls, have all made some dramatic bloomers in recent times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 05:51 AM

Unfortunately, They don't provide much entertainment, they give the impression that they are in command of a rudderless ship.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 06:00 AM

God what a laugh. Does Sarah Palin still believe in witches?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jim McLean
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 07:19 AM

You're wrong, Akenaton, I laughed like a drain when I heard Hague was sent to Scotland to tell the Scots they would be worse off if they voted for Scottish Independence. He was the man who opposed Scottish devolution in 1979 and warned Scotland would be a "a high-tax ghetto"! Now, after admitting he was wrong, his excuse was that he didn't think the Scots were so resolute.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 08:42 AM

Wonder if she will watch the Olympic Games from her bedroom window?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 09:07 AM

Good one!! "Wonder if she will watch the Olympic Games from her bedroom window?"

If she can keep her eyes of of this!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 09:22 AM

Be still my beating heart.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 12:21 PM

Yes Jim....you're right, Mr Hague is a really SICK joke.
A warmongering careerist, without principles of any description.
A blundering, arrogant, dangerous, fool.

Just read "Lucky Poet" for the second time.....thank you...A


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 12:26 PM

I rather like Mrs Palin......she scares the shit out of "liberals"(see above), that'll do me for starters! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 01:24 PM

Palin? Scare anyone? Except maybe an unarmed wolf when she is in a helicopter with a high-powered automatic weapon. PMSL. She is quite simply a monument to stupidity. Still, to each their own I suppose. Even people who do not know what "liberal" means.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 02:02 PM

>>>I rather like Mrs Palin......she scares the shit out of "liberals"<<<

I fear sir, that you are rather behind the times.

She scared the crap out of pretty much every person of sound mind in the country and most of the World when it was thought that she had even a remote chance of being Vice President to a fairly feeble old man. Now she is feared only by the "Moderate" wing of the GOP and that is only because she calls attention to the nut jobs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 02:15 PM

Palin is a one-person parody of the Tea Party.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 04:46 PM

Parodies lead the Tea Party. Do they not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 05:24 PM

Palin in not exactly stupid... she IS ignorant, and that, to my mind is worse. She is steeped in the worst sort of cultish religious silliness... added to a devotion to 'making a $$$' from whatever she does.(much like Bachmann) She make no effort to educate herself about the world in general and just follows a system which seems to be largely defined by her husband (much like Bachmann).

She attracts others who also think that way, and can make $$$$ just showing up and spewing the Tea Party line... with a few polished "palinisms" thrown in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 06:08 PM

Why is the "Tea Party line" always "spewed" whereas the "Neo liberal" line is always "presented"

Never could understand that?

I notice that if anyone here offers an alternative view on almost any subject, but especially politics, they are described as "spewing"...usually "filth"

Curiouser and curiouser.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 06:28 PM

Why? Because it is an entirely different type of thinking and rhetoric, not just a different set of opinions. I could type for an hour trying to elucidate, but if you don't see the flawed and distorted premises and careless reasoning in their various bits of nonsense, all I'd get is sore fingers from typing.

When the serious conservative viewpoint was held and expounded by William F. Buckley, the debate was interesting and educational... but the current Tea Party line, and rabid, hate-filled accusations **spewed** by Palin, Bachmann, Louis Gohmert, Alan West and a dozen others are a travesty on what the basic conservative Republican party once was.

Ake.. I don't know if you read about.. or especially see videos.. of them just parroting falsehoods as they try to negate everything Obama does, but it is beyond appalling to someone like me who has followed politics since 1954 or so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 07:00 PM

...and BTW... I don't know what the "neo-liberal" line is... can you give us an example?

(I have many of the Tea Party.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 07:09 PM

I'm with you, Bill.

Lots of people throw the words around, but haven't the slightest idea of what they mean.

"Neo-liberal??"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 09:11 PM

Sorry wasn't really concentrating, "liberal" line.

Bill, It is opinions. I think much of modern "liberalism" is flawed, distorted, idiocy, but I don't see any need to accuse you, or Don of "spewing" your opinions.

It looks to me that you think the opinions of members of the Tea Party are of less worth than your own. Would you not be better just to point out where you think your fellow citizens are wrong, rather than denigrate them in such a fashion......it just doesn't seem very liberal...if you know what I mean?

Actually, "race" played a very big part in the election of President Obama, as the black vote went almost completely to him, while the white vote was split 50/50 between Obama and Mccain.

I'm sure you are aware, that ALL politicians make capital from racial issues when it suits them.
I'm sure you are also aware by now, that President Obama is not the Messiah the left hoped he would be, in fact he has been a VERY naughty boy on several occasions?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jan 14 - 11:05 PM

Ake.. no... as I said, it is **NOT** just opinions. Just after I typed that above, I was watching the news and saw a report on this guy...

Robert Jeffress (look him up in Google for more)

He is but ONE of the sort of VERY extreme folk getting lots of air play in right-wing conservative circles. This sort of reasoning is not "just opinion". It is opinion based on lies & false premises and which these folks think is justified because they are 'on the right side'.
People are entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to make up facts to support their opinions.

And YOU have played fast & loose with facts in this:" .."race" played a very big part in the election of President Obama.. Stating percentages, even when accurate, doesn't serve to characterize the point of those statistics. Those numbers do show that McCain had very little support among minority voters... (Hispanics also voted largely Democratic.)

And this: "It looks to me that you think the opinions of members of the Tea Party are of less worth than your own."

Ummm...well...gosh... when I say that the basic Tea Party line is flawed, illogical & a distortion of truth, I am stating that "worth" is not a characteristic of ANY position based on lies, bad logic & distortion! These Tea Party folks are factually incorrect in their premises, no matter what my opinion is. I am willing to subject **MY** premises to the test of analysis of their accuracy, and to revise my opinions if needed. The Tea Party people tend to revise their description of reality and facts in order to support their hardened 'opinion'.
If you don't see the basic difference in the two positions, *shrug*, how can I even talk to you?

I am reminded of the guy who responded to his neighbor's request for an explanation as to why the tool he borrowed came back broken: "I never borrowed it... and besides, I returned it weeks ago... and it was broken when I got it."
Make sense? Who cares! I just refuse to agree with anything you say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 12:12 AM

I think that because I have never heard Palin say an intelligent thing that wasn't designed to provoke. It is all nonsense and insults. "Spew" is a metaphor, but an understandable one.

You displayed considerable ignorance about her place in American society in stating that liberals fear her. She costs the GOP moderate votes and supported a couple of Senate candidates in primaries who won, only to Spew their way to losing the general election.

Saying that President Obama was born in Kenya is spewing. Saying she can see Russia from her house is spewing. Sarah spews.

If you are looking for someone to champion in US conservatism, you could not do worse than Palin.

If you are looking for someone to represent blind liberalism you could not do worse than Bill D.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 05:50 AM

WILL PEOPLE PLEASE LEARN THAT "LIBERAL" DOES NOT MEAN "LEFT-WING"?

Shouting intended.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 08:35 AM

Jack, I have been here long enough to know Bill and most other members.
Bill can be as guilty as any other in evasion and hyping his own views. That is not to say that I do not respect him.

What I see is a bunch of poorly educated and under represented social conservatives, versus a "elite" of educated, but socially and politically ignorant carriers of the "liberal" agenda.
Both groups are right on some issues and wrong on others, but they both deserve to be allowed to express their opinions without being subjected to denigration.

Do you not know that ALL politicians lie and obfuscate???

Richard, you wouldn't recognise a left wing if it slapped you on the mouche......fraud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 08:46 AM

You miss my point. Sarah says stupid things purposely to piss people off and to get attention. That is the M.O. of tea party leadership.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 09:42 AM

Ake when you promote the ideas of ignorant attention whores like Palin (who resigned her governorship 1/2 way thru her first term to sign lucrative contracts with Fox News and with TLC for a reality show), right wing whack jobs like Alan West and you characterize homosexual unions as perverse you shouldn't be surprised if you get even worse treatment than denigration on a forum largely populated by liberal progressives (at least on the west side of the Atlantic, can't speak for the other side).
We do have some principled and thoughtful conservatives in this country but Palin ain't one of em. Do a bit of research into her before you assess her contributions to the political debate. It shouldn't take long, it's a pretty shallow subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 10:03 AM

I Like thoughtful conservatives, as much as I like thoughtful liberals.

What Mrs Palin is feared for is her POWER. She knows how to work the most efficient political weapon in existence .....the media...she connects with ordinary JOE and JEAN....not the cynical worldly wise manipulators of the political class.

She is feared not only by the fraudulent "liberals", but by her own Party more than anyone else.
This is a woman who will never behave, or toe the party line, she is a populist....and she knows how to work it! :0)
The first time I heard her speak, I realised how easily she connected, it is a gift not given to many. A couple of weeks later she was being touted for V P, until the GOP realised the danger they faced and started to undermine her.

It amazes me, the woman can assist the change that never got from your poster boy The President....if you could only see it.

You have not seen the last of her, and if you have sense you will help not hinder in her remodelling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 10:20 AM

I'm tempted to say that if you like Palin you must have loved that Hitler guy... but I won't.
You really overestimate her influence here. At this point her demagoguery only gets traction in shrinking (thankfully) Tea Party circles. She's pretty much considered a joke on both sides of the aisle now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 10:32 AM

Mrs Palin will be, what America wants her to be.

Most politicians want America to be what THEY want it to be.



That is the difference...that is the key.

Catalyst.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 10:54 AM

"Mrs Palin will be, what America wants her to be." I agree, Ake but would append to that statement "As long as the big personal appearance checks keep coming in."
As a nation we need her out there on the stump whipping the teapartiers into a froth which can only serve to widen the rift in the GOP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 11:01 AM

Seems to me change never comes regardless of which of the two parties are in power.
A systemic change is required.
Divide and Rule is the mortal enemy of change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 11:06 AM

People need to be "whipped into a froth" if they are to be fit to effect change, "liberal" political evolutionists are the reactionary factor, not the progressive one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 11:21 AM

If you study the history of this country Ake, you will see that change does come gradually if people fight for it. We're now in a politically regressive era but thanks to forward looking politicians like President Obama and progressive groups like OWS we'll get past this. The first steps should be to get the big corporate money out of the election process and establish standardized, fair elections.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 11:37 AM

But that is against the rules of the present system...systemic change is required

We will not get past this, Mr Obama is a token, perhaps unwittingly, perhaps not
The facts are, that we can no longer sustain ourselves, this system works well, so long as there are resources to steal and people to exploit, but the resources are running out and the people want the lifestyle they have been promised....and given a little taste of to boost consumerism.

Its over....get used to it, and the old rules will no longer apply.
The system is moving its wealth away to greener fields, we either write off the future of our kids or start constructing a sustainable society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 11:52 AM

BTW...I have no knowledge of the works of Allan West, I have given perfectly sound reasons why I and millions of other people see homosexuality as perverse and do not see Mrs Palin as any more of an "attention whore" than most other politicians.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 11:58 AM

I'm not saying that violent revolution is not in the cards. Corporate greed (with help from opportunistic, hate mongering shills like Palin and the unwitting dupes in the tea party) could bring it to that.
Things always change and people adapt, or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 12:04 PM

And "millions" thought Hitler's Jewish policy was a good idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 12:10 PM

And thousands STILL think so, gillymor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 12:12 PM

Sarah Palin lost with finality what little credibility she had left when she put her own agenda ahead of her state she professed to love.

I refer to the statewide celebration of Alaska's 50th anniversary of statehood.

When Alaska became a state in 1959 there were speeches, parades, bunting, late night parties. Dignitaries came from all over.

Fifty years later, Palin was governor of Alaska, and although she lived (part time) in the Governor's House two blocks from the celebration she was not there for the commemoration. Not that she refused to participate: although the committee in charge of the celebration asked her formally - and repeatedly - she ignored their requests and remained silent. Not only that, she didn't name anyone to take her place; she didn't respond to that request either.

Eventually - and very late- the committee asked Dennis Egan, the grandson of the first elected Alaska governor if he would lead the speeches and represent the state, and he agreed.

Palin is vindictive and everything is personal to her. She has no class, no long view.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 12:27 PM

Wow... I sleep late, and I miss a whole new tack in the discussion...

and I am totally bemused by this:
"If you are looking for someone to represent blind liberalism you could not do worse than Bill D."
Would you care to clarify that, Jack? I would not dare to comment on it as it stands.

And it is followed by this :
"Bill can be as guilty as any other in evasion and hyping his own views."


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 12:43 PM

It means that you are anything but a blind liberal.

"Bill can be as guilty as any other in evasion and hyping his own views. That is not to say that I do not respect him."

This is simply not true. I have never seen you evade. I have never seen you hyping your own views, while there are plenty who do both.

I fear that our friend Akenaton suffers from a tendency toward binary categorization. He shares this with a great conservative thinker of our time who said "You're either for us or agin us." and then proceeded to waste a trillion dollars and thousands of lives on a pointless war.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 02:20 PM

Ah...ok...thanks, Jack. I confess I did not read carefully enough.

So... my own comment on Ake's post:

""Bill can be as guilty as any other in evasion and hyping his own views."
I can comment on that one: I *never* intentionally evade. If a rational & substantive answer would take more time than I have to compose it, then I may say so and give a brief synopsis or just not bother. I hate being unclear!
As to "hyping my own views". Please explain how "hyping" differs from 'explaining' or just simply 'stating'. What YOU, ake, seem to not understand, is that 'my view' is often merely a statement that I find someone else's view flawed, poorly stated, or as I said about Palin, based on simple factual errors. Criticizing a view does not 'necessarily' mean that I espouse the opposite view... though that can happen.
When I have a clear, unambiguous opinion on some matter, I try to say so. (see my views on environmental issues, or gun control).
In THIS long post, the point is that there seem to be some really odd distortions of what my 'view' actually is! My view IS that Sarah Palin and her ilk do not think, reason and debate in the same way that most of their opponents do! That does **NOT** mean that I automatically agree with everything said by anyone you class as a 'liberal'.

So... you see why discussions like this are difficult for me? There are so many explications needed that it is often hard to stay directly on the topic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 02:45 PM

Alright Bill I don't think you're a "saint" on Mudcat, don't think anyone is, myself included. :0)
but you do evade direct questions sometimes, and express opinions on what you think to be my personal reasons for writing on certain subjects.
Something which you know nothing about. You often make assumptions, and you are often wrong.
That in itself is an evasion of the "issue".
However, as I said before, I still respect you as a pretty fair sort of guy.
Jack, you have never seen what I speak of, as you share and support most of Bill's views. :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 02:53 PM

Gilly, we were having an interesting discussion, then you fall back on Godwin's Law.......what a shame.

Why cant you just calm down?.. It's not the end of the world, and it will still be here when Corporate Capitalism is classified as only a bad dream.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 03:18 PM

I have a pretty fair idea what you are talking about Ake. I often find your reasoning to be flawed and sometimes I point that out. That does not make me a liberal, or whatever label you want to stick on me.

My ideal President would be frugal, thoughtful and prudent. Like Eisenhower. Eisenhower built the interstate highway system for the security of the country and the greater economic good. The current GOP won't even free up some funds to keep it in repair because they act as if positive economic news while the Democrats hold the Presidency is bad for them.

I came to this country 15 years ago supporting the Republicans but now their agenda is so driven by right wing nutjobs and crazy billionaires that they do nothing worthy of support.

I don't know if I do "share and support" most of Bill's views. I do share his love for trying to be logical.

I told you that "Liberals" are not afraid of Palin and I told you why. You have not addressed what I have said about this. You have not addressed similar points by others. Yet you repeat the same mantra. I live in a swing state with one senator form each party. Kay Hagen, the Democrat is up for re-election. I would like nothing better than for Sarah Palin to swoop in here and support a Tea Party candidate over the candidate chosen by the GOP establishment. It is the best chance for the Democrats to keep the seat. I am not afraid of her. I say "Bring her on!" and I am not even a liberal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 04:12 PM

Gilly's stating a fact, Pharoah - YOU'RE invoking "Godwin's Law"; which, like the Holy Roman Empire, is really niether Godwin's nor a law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 04:51 PM

The point I'm trying to make Jack, is that things will never be any different till Pubs/ Dems....Labour/Tories stop fighting one another and start fighting against a system where BOTH parties support Corporatism.
The system requires growth and generates it any way it can, without growth the system dies, that's why the financial bubble was produced.
Do you think it happened by accident? They produced Monopoly money so the mugs can keep spending, houses, cars, foreign holidays, anything, and all backed by sweet nothing.
Now the corporatists are moving East, investing for bigger profits while we are left with no jobs or low paid jobs with no future for the young.

That is how it works, in simple terms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 05:31 PM

>>>
The point I'm trying to make Jack, is that things will never be any different till Pubs/ Dems....Labour/Tories stop fighting one another and start fighting against a system where BOTH parties support Corporatism.<<<

What on Earth does that have to do with Sarah Palin?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 05:42 PM

ake.. I always admitted I could not *know* your mind and/or motives. I did admit to *suspecting* that you had a hidden agenda...perhaps one that you didn't even realize. I have not gone there recently, as you assured me otherwise. (I am not the only one who wondered...)
" you do evade direct questions sometimes.." As I said, not intentionally. Such claims should have examples.
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"... a system where BOTH parties support Corporatism."

Corporatism?? Is that anything like allowing people to legally own & build businesses?

I am quite aware that corporations are always a problem if not regulated sufficiently. This recent, stupid "Citizens United" court decision over here has exacerbated the problem, but it was totally a Conservative initiative. Democrats are appalled. We do know that our country does operate on the premise that 'business' is allowed. That is not the same as kowtowing to some holy god of "Corporatism".
We have this tripartite system of government, and the fact that one party is warping the system doesn't indicate that BOTH sides are okay with such stupidity.
You mentioned once having a view of society that would make drastic changes in the systems of both the UK and the USA. Care to remind me of the details?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 06:00 PM

Bill, I am not trying to be snarky, I have always respected you as a person, lets just put this down to a misunderstanding on my and perhaps your part.

It is of no importance, just chatter between Jack and I.

It would take a little too long to set out my vision for the future at the moment, if you'll forgive me I'm a little angry over another matter which I am sorting out.
Perhaps another time?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 06:19 PM

IMO Jack, Mrs Palin could be the catalyst to bring the warring factions together in a battle against Corporate America.
She has charisma and being a strong woman will not be scared off.
I already mentioned that as a populist she can be moulded to the will of the people, compromise would be required from all sections of society, but the course of action would be set.

Only someone outside the present political orthodoxy could fulfil such a role.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Bugsy
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 08:14 PM

"WILL PEOPLE PLEASE LEARN THAT "LIBERAL" DOES NOT MEAN "LEFT-WING"? Shouting intended."

I'm right with you there Richard!

Over here in Australia the "LIBERAL" party are Very Right Wing.

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 08:38 PM

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IMO Jack, Mrs Palin could be the catalyst to bring the warring factions together in a battle against Corporate America.<<<

We tried electing a dumb, mouldable President in 2000. It didn't go so well.

Also

If you don't like corporatism, Mrs Palin is not for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Elmore
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 09:06 PM

Sarah just trying to get more money for her speaking gigs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 03:30 AM

Jack, If you are referring to Pres Bush, had has four distinct disadvantages.
He had no charisma.
He was not a populist.
He was a member of a political dynasty.
He was not a woman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 08:46 AM

He pretended to be a populist. He had plenty of Charisma.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 09:20 AM

Pharoah, Palin is a cheerleader for corporate America. And she is not a "populist"- she is a demagogue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 12:34 PM

Just to help you see the difference, ake:

"A demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ or rabble-rouser is a political leader in a democracy who appeals to the emotions, fears, prejudices, and ignorance of the lower classes in order to gain power and promote political motives." Wikipedia

"...the common definition of populism: "the political doctrine that supports the rights and powers of the common people in their struggle with the privileged elite." The Democratic Underground

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I can guess that you would say the second describes Palin- but you would be very wrong. Palin aspires to the 'privileged elite'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 04:17 PM

What do you call a person who spews nonsense and skewed opinion pieces which she reads on Breitbart and other right wing nut job blogs in order to sell books, TV shows and personal appearances?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin impies Obama is a Racist.
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 14 - 06:25 PM

A Tea Party Republican. Take your pick.


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