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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 06:42 AM

Try Amazon at the link given above!!!

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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Klavdivs
Date: 23 May 14 - 10:40 AM

This documentary is no longer in BBC's iPlayer, and it seems there is no DVD of it available yet. Nor does it seem like anyone has put the BBC doco up on Youtube. o is there any way for thos of us who missed it, to see it now ? btw, I live in Australia.

Thanks

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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 06:18 AM

Echoing guest above, 'The Enigma of Nic Jones' remains available on Amazon...checked today, 26th Feb. Please resist the temptation of any 'free downloads'. Nic has and never will, receive all royalties due from his albums, an ongoing issue, well documented on MC.
                                        Nigel Paterson (The Halliard).


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 05:38 AM

And get_iplayer !!!!


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 01:55 AM

Youtube-dl will download a nice drm free copy!


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 09:22 PM

Programmes started a bit early!!!


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 09:38 AM

I bought one two years ago from Amazon. Still there!

https://www.amazon.com/Enigma-Nic-Jones/dp/B00O3RWLEO


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 05:00 PM

Clickies ...

Nic Jones

Bert Jansch


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 04:01 PM

Bert Jansch just before. Its a bit late for me, but I will watch both on iPlayer later.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 09:05 PM

Thank you, Freddy, for flagging that. I'd have missed it otherwise. I'll put you forward for an MBE or summat!


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 07:45 PM

The Enigma of Nic Jones
- Return of Britain's Lost Folk Hero
2018 February
(Sunday 25th night) \Monday 26th morning 01:55 GMT
BBC FOUR

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03bsrrb


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Klavdivs
Date: 23 May 14 - 10:40 AM

This documentary is no longer in BBC's iPlayer, and it seems there is no DVD of it available yet. Nor does it seem like anyone has put the BBC doco up on Youtube. o is there any way for thos of us who missed it, to see it now ? btw, I live in Australia.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 31 Oct 13 - 10:32 AM

I've just had my Amazon order cancelled for the same reason given above.

Hey Ho! I'll just have to wait a little longer. Pity I deleted it from my Sky box though.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 24 Oct 13 - 08:03 PM

Thanks Hagman. As far as Nics earlier ouvre is concerned. He doesn't find it very relevant to his present life. He's gradually writing new stuff and jolly good it is too!. Maybe the "lost" album situation may be resolved in time. For everyone to hear, A nice big fat Boxed set would be nice!
As far as video is concerned, there really wasn't very much extant from Nic pre-crash, most of which features in the BBC4 doc. I know that Michael shot footage at Warwick, Towersey, and C Sharp House. Which would be great to see.
I trust Mr Proudfoot to make the right decisions (in conjunction with the family)
But as I say, it's unlikely to be anytime soon. He's working on lots of other projects as well (everyone has to make a living!)
The best idea is to pop into the Mollie Music website in the coming months. for more news.
Cheers Ralphie


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Hagman
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 07:22 PM

Thanks for clarifying, Jim and Ralphie. I was wondering how a fully-market-ready product could have been scheduled so quickly! Let's hope we get lots of extras when it does happen.

(My DB reference was totally tongue-in-cheek, BTW. Given that from the clips I have managed to see from all the "comeback" shows, Nic hasn't done any material from the Trailer albums, not that any copyright issues would arise if he had. Good to see sales of "Penguin Eggs" accelerating, though...)


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 02:53 PM

Yay, Nic was strolling along the beach at Widemouth Bay in the programme. If I'd known he was there I could (a) have spotted him through me bins from my house, (b) made him a cup o' char!


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 11:09 AM

Completely agree with Jim.
Someone has jumped the gun regarding a DVD release. I'm sure it will see the light of day sometime. Knowing that Mr P has several hours of unreleased concert videos of Nic with the trio, and others, including his EFDSS Gold award celebration from Shirley Collins. It would make a suitable companion "Extra" DVD disc, but remember that Michael took on this project as an act of love for Nic and his family. Video editing takes time, and money. So, Wait for an official announcement. Maybe next year sometime.
Well worth waiting for....(And The Late Bulmer and his company isn't involved at all....Thank the Lord)


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Jim Moray
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 08:39 AM

As soon as it went on sale, I emailed Michael Proudfoot (the director of the documentary) to ask what was happening. The DVD company got just ahead of themselves apparently and advertised something that doesn't exist. At the moment, none of the 'bonus features' have even been edited, let alone cleared for release on a DVD. Proudfoot Productions had only discussed the possibility of putting it out and the first they knew was when it was listed as on sale.

It will probably happen, but I'd expect to wait a little longer for everything to actually be edited...

But no - not a Bulmer issue.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Hagman
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 03:16 AM

In my hast to obtain the commercial DVD, I placed a pre-order with Proper Music the instant it was announced for a Nov 11 release.

Received the following email on Oct 21:

"Due to issues outside of our control the record label concerned have informed us that the Nic Jones DVD release has now been cancelled and all orders cannot be fulfilled.

Unfortunately, we have had to cancel your order and apologise for any inconvenience caused. We look forward to being able to serve you again very soon."

Any news on reasons for this, anyone? Surely not a last macabre Ghost of D. Bulmer Past... ;-)

Naturally will place subsequent order with Mollie Music when/if it does become available.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 14 Oct 13 - 12:37 PM

Awaiting a reply from Julia. Please don't bombard her with orders for 'The Enigma of Nic Jones' DVD. She's still working through the orders for 'Penguin Eggs'!
                                                             Nigel.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: pavane
Date: 14 Oct 13 - 09:56 AM

Big Al Whittle: You say that Nic didn't introduce songs, but he certainly did when I recorded him in 1973.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 14 Oct 13 - 09:02 AM

I don't yet know whether Julia Jones will be selling the DVD from Mollie Music. If she does, please buy it from MM, rather than other outlets. Nic & Julia will benefit all the more.
                                                 Nigel.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 03:04 PM

I've ordered the DVD via Amazon. £11 something with super-saver free delivery.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 12:38 PM

Thank you, Silas.
                         Nigel.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 08:38 AM

Hi Ed
It's not all that odd sending a message to say you have sent a PM - mudcat does not flag PM's particularly well unless you are looking out for them.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 07:59 AM

My apologies for my stupidity. Click HERE


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 07:52 AM

"I've sent you a PM"

What a bizarre thing, announcing to the world that you've sent somebody a personal message but there we go...

For what it's worth, there will be a DVD. Released on November 11th. Click here for details.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 13 Oct 13 - 05:11 AM

Anne, I've sent you a PM.
                                     Nigel xx


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 05 Oct 13 - 02:09 AM

Of course, what needs to happen is that a DVD should be released with "extras" to make it "a must" for anyone who has already recorded the Tv programme.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,surreysinger sans cookie
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 08:09 PM

Guest Ed - no doubt those will be Amazon pre-sales then?


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Anne Lister
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 05:37 PM

I finally caught up with the programme last night and have had a huge lump in my throat ever since. Profoundly moved at the memories (I will of course always remember the evening we first met at which he asked for a recording of "Icarus", as well as the subsequent meetings and the devastating news of the car crash at the Perform gathering in Manchester) and at the younger generation carrying it forward. Well done to all concerned - and Nigel, if you're reading this, you had me in tears.
As to "bringing the house down" - my memory is that he was, quite simply, regarded as one of the very best. In fact, that button badge saying he was god made me laugh out loud - pretty close!


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 10:17 AM

Talking of The Beatles, I bet a hundred years from now, Nic's work will be revered more than The Beatles!


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 10:08 AM

Given that The Beatles "On Air" isn't released until November 11th, it's not entirely surprising that sales are a little slow.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,surreysinger sans cookie
Date: 04 Oct 13 - 07:12 AM

It's been in Amazon's charts for 20 days according to their page today and is currently at number 38 (so it's now dropping gently). But it's still ahead of "On Air - Live at the BBC Volume 2" by the Beatles.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 13 - 09:36 PM

Re charts. according to a number of Facebook postings at the time, on Saturday the day after the broadcast Penguin Eggs briefly reached No.4 on Amazon's overall music chart!! Somebody said that Amazon account for more than half of all UK CD sales, so that's an actual hit record. Overnight, after more than 30 years! I hope Nic gets royalties.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Oct 13 - 08:04 PM

I wonder if you put a fourth string on the 6th whether it would stay in tune.

Buy a variax and amp and have no further pronlems.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Oct 13 - 04:53 PM

annachie gordon is cgcgcd


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,surreysinger sans cookie
Date: 03 Oct 13 - 04:27 PM

Nigel .. ."heading for the folk charts"? It depends which folk charts you're referring to, but if you check Amazon Uk out you will find that it's number 2 (as it has been for a while now) in their folk charts, but in terms of _overall_ CD sales it is currently today at number 34. (Yesterday it was at 24, so it's beginning to slip a little now). Not bad :-)


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 13 - 03:05 PM

As far as I can tell, no way to watch in the US....bummer!


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Oct 13 - 03:25 AM

I dug out my Penguin Eggs CD only to find the case was empty, bugger, no idea where it's gone, I'll have to buy it again.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 11:44 AM

As a result of the film, 'Penguin Eggs' looks like it's heading for the folk charts again (I have this information from two, unimpeachable sources!)


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Ronald
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 06:33 AM

Of course most people who know Nic watched the programme, but it would be interesting to know what people who had never heard about him thought of it.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,Mike Rogers
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 04:59 AM

Finally caught up with my recording of this programme.
I thought it was one of the best music related programmes I've ever seen.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST,KP
Date: 02 Oct 13 - 04:40 AM

I was privileged to have seen Nic in his prime in 1980, in a packed folk club in Cambridge. He couldn't 'bring the house down' because the walls were too well propped up by all the people jammed in to see him! Otherwise I remember his reception as being pretty ecstatic...

The programme brought tears to my eyes on several occasions, but the best moment was listening to him singing with his son and how well their voices blended.

The other thing that was really interesting was watching and listening to all the talented young musicians playing his stuff. With all of them (even a certain Mr Simpson) you got the impression 'wow that's difficult' whereas listening to Nic in his prime you just got that total sense of ease about his playing - it was only when you tried to work out or emulate him that you realised how difficult it was/is.

Incidentally, I've never really sorted out what he is doing on the accompaniment of Annachie Gordon - can't even work out the tuning! Anyone got any insight?


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Andrez
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 07:00 PM

Yay, OK thanks for the info Vectis and info re some other options from Guest, I think, too. Will play around with this info and see how it goes. Looking forward to seeing what everyone else has been talking about re Nic.

Cheers,

Andrez


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 05:17 PM

As I think I said earlier - Brilliant stuff. Maybe I said it elsewhere? Never mind - It was anyway, on all fronts I think.

BTW - One of the most useful and interesting threads I have seen in a long time. Thanks Ralphie.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 06:49 AM

I can confirm that 'The Enigma of Nic Jones' was, most definitely, a labour of love.
                                                   Nigel Paterson.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: vectis
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 06:20 AM

Andrez try here for a download

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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 06:36 PM

Agree it was a wonderful doc. Are you all aware that it was producer Michael Proudfoot who also made that excellent series of hour-long profiles on Eliza Carthy, Kathryn Tickell, Seth Lakeman and Kate Rusby a few years ago that still pop up on Sky from time to time? I've read elsewhere that the Nic film was virtually a labour of love, made on a tiny budget with most of the people working on it for free. I suppose that's the reality if you aren't making programmes about Celebs, but it really shouldn't be so. We should all let the BBC know how much this one was appreciated, so they know, then maybe they'll commission a few more.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 04:11 PM

I'll third that, I emailed Proudfoot Films to say thanks.

I'd also second Ian G about how great it's be to have more stories in a similar vein. Swarb's is equally inspiring but would definitely have to be shown after the watershed.


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Subject: RE: The Enigma of Nic Jones
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 02:56 PM

I'll second that.

Dave H


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