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BS: P.E. stops you being gay?

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 May 13 - 11:48 AM
GUEST,TIA 04 May 13 - 11:21 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 May 13 - 07:45 PM
Don Firth 04 May 13 - 07:30 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 May 13 - 05:43 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 04 May 13 - 03:49 PM
Don Firth 04 May 13 - 01:59 PM
GUEST,TIA 04 May 13 - 01:16 PM
GUEST,Musket sans respectability 04 May 13 - 01:09 PM
Don Firth 04 May 13 - 01:01 PM
GUEST 04 May 13 - 12:17 PM
GUEST,TIA 04 May 13 - 12:16 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 May 13 - 11:38 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 May 13 - 01:35 AM
Don Firth 04 May 13 - 01:34 AM
GUEST,Tia 04 May 13 - 01:26 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 04 May 13 - 12:46 AM
Don Firth 03 May 13 - 08:30 PM
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Jeri 03 May 13 - 10:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 May 13 - 11:48 AM

Crap????
Isn't that what you find when you put your head in the sand??...or is it what you find when you put your head in that 'other place'??
You've bought into the political definition, and response to the political definition, who have also put financial and agenda driven pressure on these 'studies'...but then you willfully ignore some of the 'findings', that poke holes in their 'studies'!.....and some of their 'findings' come right out of their 'studies'.....and they happen to coincide with what I'm saying, known psychological facts....and they contradict what they were 'hoping' to find, to bolster the agenda, that originally funded them!!
I'm ready to post a good link into the nature of receptors....but you don't seem too receptive....in other words BLOCKED!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 May 13 - 11:21 PM

No link.
Absolute proof of fabrication.
Why should anyone listen to any further arguments?

Don Firth -
I really appreciate your efforts, but this is a total waste of your time. Please move on. I intend to (even though it is difficult not to respond to made-up crap).
TIA


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 May 13 - 07:45 PM

Don Firth: "A Chicago genome researcher says he has found a group of genes that strongly influence whether a man is homosexual--not a single "gay gene," but a group of genes acting together. This provides at least part of the explanation for what makes men gay, a question that gene scientists have sought to solve for more than a decade."

"......This provides AT LEAST PART of the explanation for what makes men gay,....."


....any interest in the other PART?.....maybe abigger part??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 May 13 - 07:30 PM

Final word.

From the Can-West Global News Service:

A Chicago genome researcher says he has found a group of genes that strongly influence whether a man is homosexual--not a single "gay gene," but a group of genes acting together. This provides at least part of the explanation for what makes men gay, a question that gene scientists have sought to solve for more than a decade.

The University of Illinois at Chicago and U.S. National Institutes of Health searched through the genes of 456 men from 146 families—each of which has at least two gay brothers, and have essentially determined that there are three genes, two genes from the X chromosome and one from the Y chromosome, acting in combination.

There is concern among some geneticists as to how some expectant parents will respond to this information. The fear is that some parents, if, prenatal DNA testing shows the fetus carries this combination of genes, may opt to terminated the pregnancy. An abortion of an otherwise perfectly normal human being—who is destined to be homosexual.

And to some parents, this may pose a real dilemma. Those who are opposed to both homosexuality—AND to abortion, who oftentimes are religious, holding a rigid set of beliefs on both subjects.

The research is reported in the Journal of Human Genetics.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 May 13 - 05:43 PM

I sent this a few hours ago...but it didn't post.
I have not read any of your posts, yet, (sorry to say....maybe..), so I'm re entering this.


Firth(who said he was going to stop this...but won't..or can't): "There is general agreement among geneticists that sexual orientation IS genetic, but the genes do not always express themselves, which is the nature of recessive genes."

But receptors DO manifest their activity and their influence over behavior, but they CAN be 're-trained'....and that is MORE than a 'general agreement' with psychologists, geneticists, rehab centers, religious folks, and politicians.....how do you think they get you to leave common sense, and make emotional issues out of thin air...then exploit their 'followers'???
It seems now that TWO of your influential 'studies' and your learned friends have stated as much....but then look the other way, and gloss over it, just to push that it is all 'genetic'...when it is clearly not.
Is a cup, a cup of tea, till you put tea in it???
Hardwired genetics can determine a male or female, right or left handedness, blond or brunette, two arms and two legs...but what you do with all those things is dependent on behavior. The notion that 'There's a woman trapped in this (male) body', is complete and utter nonsense...HOWEVER, how one INTERPRETS certain sensitivities, then attributes those 'feelings', is just a matter of INTERPRETATION and PERCEPTION of how and what someone THINKS is feminine(or masculine). Receptors influence what and how you CHOOSE to satisfy the urges of the receptors needs. Genetics will give one a REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM..FOR REPRODUCTION or the species..any species...one's fantasies of how to manifest sexual(reproductive) urges, again is NOT necessarily attributed to genes....however, the 'equipment' to reproduce is.
To understand the role of receptors, and how the 'create needs' emotional or otherwise, is on a video link that I already provided on here. Maybe you should re-visit it....and BTW, before anyone begins to criticize the video, take a hard look at the people behind it's production and writing....monsters in their fields!...and carry more weight than the 'studies' you put up!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 May 13 - 03:49 PM

""The notion that 'There's a woman trapped in this (male) body', is complete and utter nonsense..""

As you have just proved that you don't even know the difference between homosexuals and transexuals, you obviously fit beautifully into the mould of opinionated fuckwit.

Get an education! Better yet, get a life!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 May 13 - 01:59 PM

"I wanna argue! Where IS everybody!??"

Goofballupagus.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 May 13 - 01:16 PM

I'm done too. Impossible to deal with a person who posts as multiple people and completely fabricates.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans respectability
Date: 04 May 13 - 01:09 PM

Bloody Hell Goofus. Even the Bible seems to have you weighed up!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 May 13 - 01:01 PM

Anonymous Guest, you are absolutely right.

Proverbs 26:4 -- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him.

Translation: Don't waste your time arguing with an idiot, or you lower yourself to his level.

Goodbye, Goofball. Rave all you want, I'm right, you're an idiot, and that's all there is to it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 13 - 12:17 PM

Don, when you argue with an idiot like GfS on his terms, he wins. There is only one question: why shouldn't gay people be treated like everyone else in our laws? It makes no difference if it's a choice, it it's genetic, if it's caused by early childhood nurture, or anything. None of that matters. What matters is that it exists, people actualy are gay, and we're supposed to treat everyone equally, both ethically and legally. That's the only debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 May 13 - 12:16 PM

You say I brought it up in the other thread. Post the link. If you cannot, it is proof that you fabricate things in your sick mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 May 13 - 11:38 AM

Firth(who said he was going to stop this...but won't..or can't): "There is general agreement among geneticists that sexual orientation IS genetic, but the genes do not always express themselves, which is the nature of recessive genes."

But receptors DO manifest their activity and their influence over behavior, but they CAN be 're-trained'....and that is MORE than a 'general agreement' with psychologists, geneticists, rehab centers, religious folks, and politicians.....how do you think they get you to leave common sense, and make emotional issues out of thin air...then exploit their 'followers'???
It seems now that TWO of your influential 'studies' and your learned friends have stated as much....but then look the other way, and gloss over it, just to push that it is all 'genetic'...when it is clearly not.
Is a cup, a cup of tea, till you put tea in it???
Hardwired genetics can determine a male or female, right or left handedness, blond or brunette, two arms and two legs...but what you do with all those things is dependent on behavior. The notion that 'There's a woman trapped in this (male) body', is complete and utter nonsense...HOWEVER, how one INTERPRETS certain sensitivities, then attributes those 'feelings', is just a matter of INTERPRETATION and PERCEPTION of how and what someone THINKS is feminine(or masculine). Receptors influence what and how you CHOOSE to satisfy the urges of the receptors needs. Genetics will give one a REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM..FOR REPRODUCTION or the species..any species...one's fantasies of how to manifest sexual(reproductive) urges, again is NOT necessarily attributed to genes....however, the 'equipment' to reproduce is.
To understand the role of receptors, and how the 'create needs' emotional or otherwise, is on a video link that I already provided on here. Maybe you should re-visit it....and BTW, before anyone begins to criticize the video, take a hard look at the people behind it's production and writing....monsters in their fields!...and carry more weight than the 'studies' you put up!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 May 13 - 01:35 AM

First of all...what link?...
Next, Sister, I'm FAR from losing! You guys with the 'genetic' rap, are getting the shit knocked out of you!

(She loves me`~~~)

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 May 13 - 01:34 AM

"NOW PAY ATTENTION!:'the sexual orientation of a fetus may be determined by the release if hormones in utero after the genitals of the fetus are determined, and if mistimed, can affect the sexual orientation of the child.....'

"In other words....IT'S NOT 'GENETIC'?????????...."

It IS most certainly genetic. A combination of genes, possibly recessive, which sometimes express themselves, but not every time. The genetic combination is believed to be carried in the female line of the family, but generally does not affect them directly

There is general agreement among geneticists that sexual orientation IS genetic, but the genes do not always express themselves, which is the nature of recessive genes.

Basic Mendel.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Tia
Date: 04 May 13 - 01:26 AM

Post the link or you lose.
It is really simple.
So far you are losing.
Can you post the link?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 May 13 - 12:46 AM

..and this never happens......and it's the liberals favorite news source!

Now let's have some fun!

From: Don Firth
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:56 PM
"I will not be responding any more to your nasty and childish attempts to bait me, Goofball. You are a pathological liar through and through, with overtones of sadism. I will no longer respond to your problem."

Remember I said that YOU were the pathological liar, and even said 'how' and 'why'.....and by golly, you proved me right again!!

Firth: "...Only your desire to attack my credibility. Because I have the unfortunate habit of telling the truth and backing it up ..."


From: Jeri
Date: 03 May 13 - 10:37 AM

""So you thought homosexuality was "the nucleus for all family structures which all societies are based on"?
I thinking got fucked up somewhere.""

No, Jeri, I said, (and look at it carefully, then answer the question, in the privacy of yourself...you might get it, then)....


"Don T: "Only you and Gone from Sanity are claiming that it is a "lifestyle".
Well, actually we thought it was the nucleus for all family structures which all societies are based on....what did YOU think it was???""
(Hint: think facetiously.....then answer the question based on that)


...and then there is this gem:

Don Firth: "I am setting the record straight regarding my job as a news director, about which YOU hatched up a tissue of lies. This was for anyone out there who might blunder in and think you know anything about anything.
And what I said was that, according to knowledgeable people in the field, the sexual orientation of a fetus may be determined by the realease if hormones in utero after the genitals of the fetus are determined, and if mistimed, can affect the sexual orientation of the child. I did NOT say that the time of the pregnancy affects the fetus (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean)."


NOW PAY ATTENTION!:"the sexual orientation of a fetus may be determined by the realease if hormones in utero after the genitals of the fetus are determined, and if mistimed, can affect the sexual orientation of the child....."

In other words....IT'S NOT 'GENETIC'?????????....and the hormones directly affect receptors!!!...and vice verse.

When you get over being irately pissed off, re-read it again!!!!!!!


What was it you were saying?...ummmm oh yeah, "Don Firth: "I am setting the record straight regarding my job as a news director, about which YOU hatched up a tissue of lies."

Methinks you've spun yourself dizzy, AGAIN!


...and to dear TIA.....
TIA: "You are a raving dickhead."
THEN....(in the same post)
TIA: "GfS - may I repeat, you are a hopeless A-hole."

Well, you DID express a certain confusion that runs in your family....

BTW....that's MISTER A-hole, to you!


Having a great time watching you people profoundly manifest your utter confusion about life, and sanity....!

GfS

P.S......well shit...I did offer to help them.....but....


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 May 13 - 08:30 PM

I am setting the record straight regarding my job as a news director, about which YOU hatched up a tissue of lies. This was for anyone out there who might blunder in and think you know anything about anything.

And what I said was that, according to knowledgeable people in the field, the sexual orientation of a fetus may be determined by the realease if hormones in utero after the genitals of the fetus are determined, and if mistimed, can affect the sexual orientation of the child. I did NOT say that the time of the pregnancy affects the fetus (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean).

You DO have trouble understanding plain English, apparently.

And I don't do anything "unwittingly." That's YOUR schtick.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 07:43 PM

TIA: "There is no pain. There are no open wounds. That is all made up in your twisted mind."

You brought it up, in the other thread.
...and yes, the time of pregnancy DOES affect the fetus, as even Don brought up(unwittingly) in one of hiss links.
Sorry, if I cared enough to answer you.

Don, are you talking to your 'audience' or anyone in particular?...or just yapping?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 May 13 - 05:28 PM

My idols in the broadcast news business where people such as Eric Sevareid, Daniel Schorr, Walter Cronkite, and the granddaddy of them all, Edward R. Murrow.

During the time I was at KORD, Richard Nixon was president, and I had plenty of opinions about him. But my job was such that I didn't have an opportunity to voice them. But it was unnecessary, because other newsmen and commentators such as Eric Sevaried and others had plenty to say.

GfS apparently does not know the distinction between NEWS and EDITORIAL COMMENT. News deals with facts and answers the question, "what happened?" Commentary tries to ennunciate someone's opinion of why it happened, who's doing what to whom, and why are they doing it?

The six o'clock news on any of the "Big Three," ABC, CBS, and NBC, report the news. What events took place during the day. There may be a segment in the program for commentary, but that's always specified as "editorial opinion."

Fox News, on the other hand, does not separate news from opinion, and their programming is almost entirely opinion. They are anything but "fair and balanced."

I think Goofy reveals a great deal about himself with his allegations about my activities as a news man. He's not painting anywhere near an accurate picture of what a news man or even a news director's options are. They are required to follow the policies of the station. If you don't like the policy, don't work there. And the station where I worked as news director did not HAVE a political policy. Not that we didn't have opinions, but we had to keep them to ourselves.

If Goofball went to work as a newsman, assuming he could speak good English in general, speak standard American English (pronunciation), had a good, listenable voice, could write cohesive, grammatically correct sentences, had a fierce dedication to presenting the facts, and kept his opinions to himself unless assigned to do an opinion piece (which would be vetted first by the station manager or others in authority), then he might be allowed in the building.

But with what HE seems to think a newsman can get away with, he'd get his ass kicked out the door on the first day!

I think that in these threads, with his wild, imaginative, and denigrating fictions about various people about whom he knows nothing, he has more that graphically demonstrated his "fierce dedication to presenting the facts."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 May 13 - 02:49 PM

TIA, he's trying to pull the same crapolla on you that he's been pulling on me. Goofballupagus is a writer of fiction.

To set the record straight, the radio station where I was news director was in Pasco, a small rural town in eastern Washington. It was an ABC affiliate, so for national news, I just flipped the switch at the top if the hour as I was instructed to do. The local news consisted of the farm report and mostly social news. An occasional accident on the nearby freeway. I did no editorializing or commentary.

Oh,yes. Frequent public service announcements that nearby Rattlesnake Mountain was aptly named, and that people hiking up there should keep their eyes open.

A news director is answerable to the station manager and Roger was essentially apolitical.

There should be no doubt by now in any intelligent person's mind that GfS is, indeed, a pathelogical liar.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 May 13 - 01:28 PM

Just to make it perfectly clear to all what we are dealing with...
Please post a link to any post where I discussed anything close to "...the circumstances during the time of pregnancy..."
That came entirely out of your head. Entirely. But I suspect that in posting as different people you forget what any one of you has said and mistakenly attribute it to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 May 13 - 12:36 PM

"...and if I remember an earlier question of yours correctly, about your family relation, and what you said were the circumstances during the time of a pregnancy, you WILL find that the answer to your inquiry has more consistencies with what I've been saying, than any 'genetic' rhetoric!!
...and that is the plain truth...and I think you know it...and with all the condoning of 'it's in the genes, nothing can be done about it' rap, it leaves one without any answers to correct the things that caused the pain, to cause the issue at question.
(My, that was answered delicately).....

Best Wishes, Hope things come around, (there are some conciliatory open wounds, in your family that should be addressed and healed.)"

---------------------------------------------------------------------

You are a raving dickhead.

There is no pain. There are no open wounds. That is all made up in your twisted mind. I asked you no questions. I told you and others like you to fuck off because my family is perfectly happy (and more accomplished than you will ever be). So stop talking about my kids (and siblings and uncles and...) as if there is something wrong with them. It is highly offensive, and you only dare say it because you can hide behind your keyboard and your guest identity. I have zero respect for your opinion or your intellectual abilities. But you piss me off when you put words in my mouth (If I said them, go fucking find them please) to suit your sick arguments.

Never forget that my kids and their friends will outlive us both, and I will die happy that they are creating a better world. And you? Sorry, you lose.

Akenaton - we may vigorously disagree, but I appreciate your courtesy in this discourse.

GfS - may I repeat, you are a hopeless A-hole.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 03 May 13 - 12:20 PM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

There's a point! Quick!

No. Too late. You missed it.

Glad you know what illegal drugs gay people use to aid a good fuck. What did you and the missus use?

Disgusting. "Widely used by homosexual people during intercourse." Does your camera have a telephoto lens then?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 11:16 AM

jeri: "If working out makes people straight, why are there so many buff gay guys? Think about that..."

Trying to look 'pretty'? Think about that........

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 May 13 - 10:37 AM

So you thought homosexuality was "the nucleus for all family structures which all societies are based on"?
I thinking got fucked up somewhere.

Observation: any discussion of homosexuality that Ake gets involved in, he's going to try to turn it into a discussion of buttfucking, HIV and drugs. (As opposed to love, family, rights, and idiotic beliefs that exercise changes ones sexual preference.)

If you want to ride the train of obsession with him, forget whatever the thread was actually about.

If working out makes people straight, why are there so many buff gay guys? Think about that...


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 10:17 AM

Don T: "Only you and Gone from Sanity are claiming that it is a "lifestyle".

Well, actually we thought it was the nucleus for all family structures which all societies are based on....what did YOU think it was???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Lavengro
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:48 AM

Not sure if this link helps, hinders, or just muddies the waters? But I thought it was a good little movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noxZfoKTD5c


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:37 AM

Who knows.
Only injecting has any bearing on HIV, so Musket is just raising a spurious issue.

"Research in the UK29 that explored drug use levels among
MSM within the previous 12 months reported levels ranging
from 39.4% for poppers, 27.7% for cannabis, 18.5% for ecstasy
and 4.7% for methamphetamine (with significant regional
variations evident and highest usage in London.)30"
http://www.ihra.net/files/2012/09/04/Chapter_3.3_MSM_.pdf


Injectable drugs not even on the scale.
A wholly spurious issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:25 AM

Keith....I think Ian may be referring to the use of (Crystal Meths?) etc which apparently is widely used by homosexuals during intercourse.

This use of what are said to be very dangerous drugs for the purpose of increasing the intensity of sex....is part and parcel of the risk taking which is associated with male homosexuality.
So should not be addressed seperately, despite what Ian implies.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 07:27 AM

and those HPA figures are tied up in the substance misuse statistic.

No they are not.
IDUs are not very high risk in UK.
MSMs are very high. The highest.

http://www.hpa.org.uk/webc/hpawebfile/hpaweb_c/1317137200016


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 06:59 AM

Musket, you call me ignorant when I have stated only facts.
It is not right or fair that MSMs are at a much greater risk of STIs, but they are.
Do not blame the messenger.
There is no hate in me.

I am not aware of MSMs having unusual levels of substance abuse.
I think you made that up.

You do not help your case by making stuff up and denying facts.
You must incorporate the facts as they are into your case.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Musket
Date: 03 May 13 - 06:06 AM

Akenaton _ I'm not a health care professional, and neither, thank Clapton are you.

Keith - When looking for statistics, look for the ones in discussion? Nobody is being complacent and the figures you quote, when drilled down regionally, are even more stark, especially BAC, sadly.

However, I was speaking of GU clinic take, which is just one service where HIV is occasionally diagnosed. ED (A&E to me & thee) picks up, as it were, far more, and elective screening most of the rest. The cost of antiretrovirals is immense, so targeting and helping people takes a lot of thought, a lot of analysis of facts and a hell of a lot of outreach. Demonising for bigoted or political reasons is an unnecessary distraction. There again, flipping to Mudcat to feed the trolls might be cathartic on a busy day, but if the general population were anything like as ignorant as you two prize twats, the HPA figures would spiral out of control.

My comments on increases in sexual health concerns have no bearing on the figures you quote, and those HPA figures are tied up in the substance misuse statistic. You try to appear intelligent so be so and read further. You will find that MSM is a group not a symptom, and substance misuse is highly prevalent. Hence the issues in linking transmission to sexual activity.

If highly vocal pond life such as many UKIP / BNP wannabe politicians and bigoted old men keep trying to inject hatred at the rate they do, substance misuse in a maligned set of people may well continue. If society insists on entertaining such pathetic views, stable monogamous relationships amongst gay people will be harder to be seen as acceptable.

You'd all just have to find someone else to hate. The clue is in the HPA stuff. The final recommendation isn't just MSM, so you can do an Enoch?

In the meantime, I shall remain in my job. Trying to reason with people with an agenda isn't something I enjoy doing, but reading some of the diatribe from you two at least reinforces my stance in the real world that evidence has to be treated in the entirety rather than subjectively if we are ever to tackle the issue of STDs, the myriad underlying causes and manage to address the red herrings brought about by people with despicable agendas. Out of interest, neither of you are in the same league as some we deal with and indeed answer to. At least they are challenging, mainly because they focus on facts, and healthcare provision isn't perfect.

Even The Daily Mail looks credible compared to you two...


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 May 13 - 04:46 AM

""Homosexuality should certainly not be presented to our children as "just another lifestyle""

Only you and Gone from Sanity are claiming that it is a "lifestyle".

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 May 13 - 04:22 AM

Ian....for someone who claims to be involved in regional health services, your ignorance of the facts associated with HIV/AIDS is astonishing ...and rather frightening.

Why are you allowed to remain in your job if you are unable to understand the statistical evidence.

Hiv rates in IDUs have been falling for years, and are at present very low.
Do you really as a health care professional, not understand that MSMs are massively over represented in the HIV/AIDS figures?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 03:20 AM

from HPA 2012 report.

The overall prevalence in 2011 was 1.5 per 1,000
population with the highest rates reported among men who have sex with men (MSM) (47 per 1,000)
and the black African community (37 per 1,000).

New diagnoses among MSM have been increasing since 2007 with 3,010 reports in 2011, representing
an all-time high. Direct and indirect measures of incidence show that the rate of HIV transmission in
this population remains high.

Recommendations
• Safe sex programmes promoting condom use and HIV testing remain a priority for MSM and black
African and Caribbean communities to reduce ongoing transmission and undiagnosed infection.
• HIV testing, which is free and confidential at services such as STI clinics, should be promoted among
higher risk groups to ensure individuals are aware of their HIV status. Specifically:
-- MSM should have an HIV/STI screen at least annually, and every three months if having unprotected
sex with new or casual partners.
-- Black Africans and Caribbeans should have an HIV test and should have regular HIV/STI screening if
having unprotected sex with new or casual partners.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 03:09 AM

Firth: "You are a pathological liar through and through, with overtones of sadism. I will no longer respond to your problem."

Gosh, I almost left this part out....."....with overtones of sadism. I will no longer respond to your problem."


So, you are saying that I am a 'sadist'...because I must be inflicting pain on you, for my pleasure????
Shit,I know it must seem like 'torture'...but I'm only trying to get you to tell the truth!...or even recognize it!!!!!

Ouch ouch ouch!
Whip me..beat me..do a tap dance on my face with high heels..make me tell lies.....make my check book runaway..quick take it!

You're a hoot!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 03:08 AM

The increasing issues are with younger girls and conditions arising from their sexual activity and HIV amongst needle sharing.

Yes but the numbers are trivial comapred with MSMs, and the increase is smaller too.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 02:35 AM

Firth: "You are a pathological liar through and through, with overtones of sadism. I will no longer respond to your problem."

Another stupid accusation...and by the way, YOU were the one who worked in the news media...you read, and repeated stories that were fed to you from the department..often without even personally checking them out, to see if they were true. Now we ALL know that the 'news' media puts out false stories, and disinformation....so, does that make you a professional liar?...I mean, like you did it for money, didn't you??...and I'm sure you'll say YOUR news reporting was accurate.....which is a crock...cuz you never checked them out, to see if they were true......just like your posting of 'studies' that were bought and paid for...and also highly inaccurate.....but then we HAVE established that that didn't matter to you....you did it for the money. What a great thing to pursue in life, huh?.....and you know what?...you still haven't got over doing it...without any conscience about it.....so WHO is the pathological liar?????

Winking and waving at ya'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 May 13 - 02:09 AM

PE stops you being heterosexual,
iAM SURE EVERYONE AGREES what a ridiculous statement.
why should physical activity have any effect on sexual orientation


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans Ian
Date: 03 May 13 - 02:00 AM

As you address me as Ian. You are aware that Ian is somewhat accountable for availability of health services regionally. This includes GU clinics. The increasing issues are with younger girls and conditions arising from their sexual activity and HIV amongst needle sharing. The former is peer pressure and the latter is ignorance and fear of a perceived link between substance misuse services and the police.

Just looking. .. no. Sorry.   Can't see any rise attributable to prevalence of civil partnership either by time line nor declaration of status as part of clinical audit.

You are just going to have to look further afield for supporting evidence of your bigotry. Facts don't seem to er.. have the facts you need. Linking loving commitment to promiscuity never really stood a chance really, did it? You have to admit, you were always onto a loser there....


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 May 13 - 08:15 PM

Oh! I was wrong!

Common decency and fairness are a large part of liberal ideology.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 May 13 - 08:12 PM

Akenaton, when same-sex marriage was legalized in California, some 18,000 same-sex couples got married within the first few months, until religious forces, including out of state religious groups such as the Mormon Church in the state of Utah, poured a huge amount of funds into the state and got Proposition 8 rescinded by a narrow margin of the voters. Here in Washington State, I don't have the figures yet because the law was just passed a few months ago, but there has been a huge number of same-sex marriages.

Your claim that people of same-sex orientation are not interested in marriage is belied by the facts. You want statistics? Now that same-sex marriage has been legalized in several states, there is a great mound of statistics building up that proves you wrong.

And "liberal ideology" has nothing to do with it. Common decency and fairness does.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 07:14 PM

I'm sure those suffering from Hiv aids will not be enjoying the journey Ian.

Is it not more important that some progress towards understanding the health statistics is made, than spending time and money procuring marriage rights for people who in general are not interested in having them?

Your "liberal" ideology is killing people, or at best condemning them to a life sentence.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans Ian
Date: 02 May 13 - 03:18 PM

Keith. Read what he just put and an apology would be nice but no deal breaker.

Akenaton. Thanks for saving people the effort of trawling for your society views as opposed to health views. Both are best kept in your head if you move in polite circles. Sure, many people have a hardwired suspicion of anything different but the instinct survival trait that shows is something we are capable of confronting rather than promoting. It separates moral from savage reaction, or civilisation as we try to call it.

Just piss off. There's a good chap. I know you think we are all going to hell in a handcart but some of us wish to enjoy the journey.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:56 PM

My son is doing fine, thank you, and even though circumstances beyond my control did not allow me to be involved in his early life, he was raise in a good, loving family, for which I am grateful. And I would have been and excellent father to him had I been able at the time.

And I have NO homosexual relatives. A few friends, yes, but no family members.

I will not be responding any more to your nasty and childish attempts to bait me, Goofball. You are a pathological liar through and through, with overtones of sadism. I will no longer respond to your problem.

Both you and Akenaton are beyond hope.

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, you are the one around here who is "self-absorbed." Everything you have posted on this subject is a manifestation of your self-absorbed fear that among the genes you have inherited, lurks—the ONE DREADED GENE! Or combination of genes!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 12:41 PM

Ian.....your lance is bent and your horse is a donkey! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 12:36 PM

Liberalism has turned out to be very expensive.

Of course, I suppose people like you Ian, would rather see children starving and pensioners freezing, than homosexuals being deprived of something they dont seem to want.

I am against Homosexual "marriage" on the grounds that it is bad for the structure of society, but primarily on the horrendous sexual health figures associated with the behaviour.

It would appear that male to male sexual intercourse is extremely unhealthy and if we as a society continue to sweep these figures under the carpet, then homosexuals will be the biggest losers

In parts of the US 95% of new syphillis cases are amongst MSM.
HIV figures continue to rise steadily along with most other diseases associated with male sex

In developed countries, hiv has become almost a disease of homosexuality....whether this is because of extreme promiscuity or the methods employed, should to be the subject of a large scale public enquiry and, as is being suggested by the health agencies, compusory testing and contact tracing brought forward.....Homosexuality should certainly not be presented to our children as "just another lifestyle"


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket on a crusade
Date: 02 May 13 - 10:40 AM

Not logged in and cant be arsed to find them right now, but a thread recently had him going beyond health. Talkijng about what was wrong with the country, liberal this, gay that etc. My reply noted the fact.

Thought you of all people could have recognised and read thoroughly reactionary comments?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 May 13 - 10:05 AM

Don Firth: "And my family is just fine, with no wounds of any kind, thank you very much. You're half-baked idea that there were ever any wounds is just a figment of your vivid imagination.
I believe psychiatrists call that "projection." Look to your own little nest."

I wasn't talking to you, no matter how much your self-absorption may tell you differently.

GfS

P.S. I'm glad your family is doing great...I think...that is, if you meant your son...who is probably doing great.....because he wasn't raised by you!
......or maybe you meant your homosexual side of the family.....
..who knows?...you're so full of yourself, who can believe ANYTHING you spout?!?!!


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